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In my earlier diary, I mentioned this change as a rumor, hoping it was bad info.

Well, it's not!  FUCK.

That's two.  I wonder about Denver next...

Shouldn't we get organized on this stuff?  I know many here do not think highly of radio, and maybe rightfully so, but this isn't about us as much as it is other potential Progressives, many of whom have found the movement precisely because of the radio.

Additionally, we get good talent bubbling up to TV, which is important to do!  Ed Schultz and Rachael Maddow are two shining examples.

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  •  Tip Jar (13+ / 0-)

    ***Be Excellent To One Another***
    IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

    by potatohead on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 01:11:06 PM PST

  •  WTF? I usually shower with (5+ / 0-)

    either Stephanie or Ed! Well not literally but you know...one of them are on the radio. Thom Hartmann if it's a really crazy day!

    We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book.

    by Vita Brevis on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 01:22:07 PM PST

  •  Well crap (8+ / 0-)

    This is my go-to station.  And we already have at least two all-sports stations.  Is there a good alternative in the Puget Sound area?

    See you in Heaven if you make the list. R.E.M.

    by Akronborn on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:04:18 PM PST

  •  i don't care about progressive radio (0+ / 0-)

    pretty sure there isn't any where i live but if there was i wouldn't listen to it anyway.

    i think that is the main problem with it is that even if it was available, it wouldn't be cost effective.

    •  Of Course. It's Relegated to Low Power Stations (3+ / 0-)
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      TC MITS, winkk, Maverick80229

      in most places where it's even allowed on. Since ownership is so concentrated in under half a dozen conservative owners, it's almost never given a chance even in progressive areas.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:16:08 PM PST

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      •  i think there's a difference to conservative radio (1+ / 0-)
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        potatohead

        I believe that conservatives are more attracted to talk radio then liberals are.

        Talk radio on either side will thrive more if your party is out of power so this is not a great time for liberal radio to do well.  If its ever going to succeed it will be when we have another Bush like presidency.

        •  I have to disagree. (3+ / 0-)

          We had a locally produced and locally focused morning show here in Portland since Air America began in 2004. It continued even after AA died and made a large impact on local politics.

          "Let us never forget that doing the impossible is the history of this nation....It's how we are as Americans...It's how this country was built"- Michelle Obama

          by blueoregon on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 04:35:29 PM PST

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        •  Blueoregon has it right, but... (1+ / 0-)
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          I need to add something, actually a coupla somethings:

          1.  Conservative talk is basically rage and hate on a stick, served up nice and easy to the masses.  Racists, bigots, theocrats, and the willfully ignorant are attracted to that like flies to a bug lamp.

          Selling hate and ignorance works like sex does.  Airing that kind of programming is a sure thing.  You see, they need that programming to be normalized.  Without it, their social issues and extreme oligarch tendencies are not popular, easily marginalized, etc...

          With it, they get some validation.  It's on the radio, they aren't alone, feel normal, and all that goes with a radio community, or any media community for that matter.

          Doing that is worth a lot of money too.  Those people are the most loyal media consumers there are.  They buy the product, make the phone call, attend the event, cast the vote and tell their friends more than any other group does, and they do that because they know damn well they would be far more easily ostracized and out of the mainstream without that media.

          About 23 percent of us are these kinds of people.  That is why conservative talk generally works no matter where you put it.  They are there, and they need the media, and they tell their friends.

          By contrast, lefties are a different breed.  We are there for community, to be entertained, educated, etc...  We can take it or leave it because we are not having to manage our basic character and socialization issues, and so we are more fickle.

          NPR peels off quite a few listeners, competing with progressive talk radio, but not to a point where it's broken, not worth doing, just not quite the same numbers we see for conservative talkers.

          What really makes the format work are local hosts that can tie things together and take it local and relevant.  That is why so many are pissed at KPOJ, which did this right for most of the time it was on the air.

          ***Be Excellent To One Another***
          IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

          by potatohead on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 08:28:32 PM PST

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      •  Indeed. Hell, we barely get traction (0+ / 0-)

        here on the G.O.S.  And, my local yokel talk outlet is owned by a self-proclaimed "Librul" (with no reason to doubt him) and a Ayn Rand wingnut.  Guess what programing they run?  Bing!  Just amazing.

    •  It's not about you. (0+ / 0-)

      KPOJ made money.  Profitable station with a loyal audience, great advertisers, who got good results mind you, and many metro area connections to events, the Democratic party, etc...

      These things make little ecosystems that have more of an impact than you think.

      It has been available, is cost effective.

      Probably you don't think much of radio.  That's OK, but it's not about you.

      It is all about people who do use radio, who are seeking, looking for party, connection, education, to be entertained, etc...

      We need those people motivated and engaged.  That is what it is about.

      ***Be Excellent To One Another***
      IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

      by potatohead on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 08:19:45 PM PST

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  •  it happen in portland, too (4+ / 0-)

    as of monday, kpoj, our progressive voice...was turned into the THIRD sports talk station in this town by clear channel.  

  •  Not that it's a real solution to the problem (3+ / 0-)
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    (and it is definitely a problem), but if you can use I Heart Radio (either via the internet or iPhone app), you can listen to L.A.'s KTLK and get Stephanie Miller from 6-9 a.m. and Randi Rhodes from 12-3 p.m. (both times Pacific). The other hosts are generally not nationally known, and they (unfortunately) no longer carry Thom Hartmann, but at least you'll get great progressive talk in the early morning and early afternoon.

    •  Also 92.1 in Madison, WI is on I Heart Radio (0+ / 0-)

      Nt

      The whole premise of being Republican is the awful thought that somewhere, some poor person has a dollar that some rich person actually deserves. - Olbermann, at Cornell, 3/31/2011

      by TC MITS on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:24:27 PM PST

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    •  For now... (0+ / 0-)

      ***Be Excellent To One Another***
      IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

      by potatohead on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 08:29:10 PM PST

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    •  Isn't I Heart produced/owned by Clear Channel? (1+ / 0-)
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      There must be some other way!

      •  Yeah. I am subscribing to a few shows, will get (0+ / 0-)

        A sat radio, and avoid these clowns hoping somebody else will go for the great hosts we lost.

        IMHO, those other CC heart stations are on the short list, chopping block.

        Here is one I really like on Fridays:  Professional Left Podcast with Drift glass and Blue Gal.  (They take a show or two, but are fantastic)

        Maybe this question is worth a diary...

        ***Be Excellent To One Another***
        IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

        by potatohead on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 01:03:19 PM PST

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  •  Well that truly bites... (4+ / 0-)

    Just as I was lamenting the loss of KPOJ...now KPTK is changing? Gad. The ratings were in the toilet...but it was my go to station from 6-3 when I was on the road.

    So progressive Portland and Seattle will no longer have a good radio station to listen to. And I have a corp car so no going to sat. radio.

    The only thing that makes this bearable...and it's a small thing... right wing radio is not doing well in Seattle either.

    Crud.

    "I'd like to find your inner child and kick it's little ass." -Don Henley.

    by Olkate on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:17:30 PM PST

    •  Ratings aren't the only story here. (0+ / 0-)

      It's about dollars and margin.

      KPOJ had a nice pool of local advertisers, and made good margins.  The ratings didn't matter so much, because the advertisers got good results, and the station can and did sell that quite nicely.

      KPOJ was profitable, not broke, losing money, etc...

      ***Be Excellent To One Another***
      IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

      by potatohead on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 08:30:34 PM PST

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  •  Jeebus Christ............ (3+ / 0-)
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    I guess I shouldn't have felt so good about living in an area with liberal talk radio......boohoohoo...

    As of this morning November 7, 2012 the Includers are ascendant, and the Excluders are in the minority. [samsoneyes]

    by FlamingoGrrl on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:20:29 PM PST

  •  Ridiculous. Chicago Progressive Talk Radio link (2+ / 0-)
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    here: WCPT - Chicago Progressive Talk Radio

    Weekday lineup includes:
    The Bill Press Show
    5:00am-8:00am

    The Stephanie Miller Show
    8:00am-11:00am

    The Ed Schultz Show
    11:00am-2:00pm

    The Thom Hartmann Radio Program
    2:00pm-5:00pm

    The Norman Goldman Show
    5:00pm-8:00pm

    Leslie Marshall
    8:00pm-9:00pm

    Alan Colmes
    9:00pm-12:00am

    Weekends include:
    Hal Sparks
    Dick Kay
    Tavis Smiley
    Dave Shuster
    Ring of Fire (Mike Papantonio)

    End the wars! Single payer now!

    by HCKAD on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:26:14 PM PST

  •  Remember, Clear Channel (3+ / 0-)
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    Is owned by Bain Capital.

    The whole premise of being Republican is the awful thought that somewhere, some poor person has a dollar that some rich person actually deserves. - Olbermann, at Cornell, 3/31/2011

    by TC MITS on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:26:59 PM PST

  •  The weirdest part of this kind of thing (1+ / 0-)
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    potatohead

    is that Stephanie Miller's got a GOOD show.   If political shows could pull ratings based on their quality, it would be a monster.

    I've been listening to Rush and Hannity since the Election, and their shows are awful.   Just constant Benghazi / Petraeus/ Fiscal Cliff confusion and anger.   I realize their ratings are OK, but their shelf life has to be limited.  There's simply no way they can attract a new audience.  There's just no way.

    From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

    by satrap on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:41:19 PM PST

  •  Randi Rhodes is an intellectual (2+ / 0-)
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    Dallasdoc, blueoregon

    tour de force as well.  Just  a very good host.  I don't love the way her show is produced, but she's really talented - she should have a talk show on television.

    From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

    by satrap on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:43:11 PM PST

  •  As I'm thinking about this (1+ / 0-)
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    there's got to be a way for progressive ideas to combine with a hit radio format, but radio pros with a progressive bent are going to have to get it done, or at least some young genius who can exploit an unseen niche.

    Sports radio is both a) at saturation point around the USA and Canada, and b) is generally awful.  Sports is no challenge for us- it's finding a better niche...

    From Neocon to sane- thanks to Obama- and Kos.

    by satrap on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:49:16 PM PST

  •  The morning guy the old KPOJ, (5+ / 0-)

    Carl Wolfson, is reportedly talking with potential backers and looking at options.
    For all the bashing progressive radio is getting on this blog of late, i feel it made a real difference in Portland. The morning show focused on local and state issues and politicians and possibly helped us take back our state house.

     http://www.wweek.com/...

    "Let us never forget that doing the impossible is the history of this nation....It's how we are as Americans...It's how this country was built"- Michelle Obama

    by blueoregon on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 04:12:00 PM PST

    •  Which KPTK did not have during the weekday (1+ / 0-)
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      potatohead

      You can bet that the two conservative stations have local talk. Frankly podcasting maybe be what is the future of progressive talk, until  the concentrated control of the broadcast airwaves are in the hands of the few(Thank You Bill Clinton).   I would love to see the, rebirth of diversity of radio, not just talk. But I guess with the rise of other technologies radio that time is passed.

      One does not simply walk into Mordor! One invites a gas driller in, and one’s land becomes Mordor. Chris From Balloon Juice

      by Mr Stagger Lee on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 05:22:49 PM PST

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      •  Yeah, and the thing about this is local talkers (0+ / 0-)

        form the talent pool to grow the medium.

        We have Ed and Rachael on MSNBC today because they got on radio, did well and moved up.

        Both hosts dragged some up and coming hosts with them, and with Ed, that's Norman Goldman and Pap, among others.

        Conservatives get this and are always building up and out.

        We can't do the same without some stations to build with.  I think this is the part people understand the least...

        ***Be Excellent To One Another***
        IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

        by potatohead on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 08:37:26 PM PST

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  •  Terrestrial radio is dying (2+ / 0-)
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    License prices are tanking. In time, Clear Channel and their ilk will start shedding licenses--it's already starting to happen. That's the only way locally controlled radio will ever return to the airwaves proper, and the only way progressive talkers will ever be allowed on the air.

    •  For this to happen, we have to build more... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...awareness of radio, how it works, its importance, and why supporting it matters.

      I think I am going to diary some of that, because I see it way too easy to marginalize the medium.  Many of us get it, are online and can ignore radio.

      Not about us.  I am listening to a GREAT podcast right now.  Lots of people don't get it, or can't act on it, and this is about them, just as much as it is about insuring that we are heard overall.

      ***Be Excellent To One Another***
      IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

      by potatohead on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 08:02:26 PM PST

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  •  Of course, we should get organized!! (0+ / 0-)

    I think we should get organized. I am so mad about this. I listen to both stations via streaming. A lot of people listened to them via the actual radio AND Internet Streaming. Clear Channel and CBS probably don't really know just how many. The ratings probably don't take into the count of the reach those two stations really have.

    The loss of the only progressive station in those two cities really sucks. I think they need to get sued. These are our public airwaves...

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