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I was just thinking about a few things and how the republicans have ranted and raved over Food stamp nation.  They left out quite a bit in their rant.   I am a boomer like many on here and before Food stamps..there was something called......running a tab or ticket.

The Walmart superstores and big supermarket chains put these wonderful folks that I am  talking about right out of business and yet so called conservatives wanted their country back, but without these folks, I guess.  It was not a wall street money maker so....they really didn't want it all back.  

I remember waiting on Saturdays for the Dutch Oven Man to make the delivery to our home and it included chocolate pecan pies, bread, donuts, and various delicious fresh baked items.   He came around 9 AM and ran a ticket till Mama and Daddy got paid.  
He collected his money on the 1st nd 15th.  

The milk man ran very early from Atlanta Daires and there was a gallon of white milk, a quart of chocolate and 2 quarts of orange juice and generally some cheese and butter.
On paydays Mother went to the local butcher and got fresh meat.   We had produce stands for fresh vegetables and fresh fruit.  We canned in the summer and what we didn't grow, we bought from produce or the farmers market.

The local grocery store carried staple items and when I think back now, that is why there were so few paper bags when groceries were bought.  I guess Mama picked up toilet paper, candy, staple items, and everything else was delivered.  All of these places except the Farmers market ran tickets.  She went to the ten cent store for candles and furniture polish, along with Tide.  We got some little trinkets on payday llike little clip on jewlery or whistles, or little paper umbrellas that clearly had , made in Japan.  

So the extreme right doesn't remember S & H green stamps and full service gas stations.  Gas stations would also run a tab.  Now the elite are griping about Food Stamp Nation while they draw the dividends and have fat portfolios from the Made in China and India stamps from items bought for Americans in slave labor camps.  Wow.  The greed and lack of patriotism just blows my mind.   There was no need for food stamps and few went hungry because when someone needed something, there were little problems with obtaining.  We made that.  All of us.  From the milkman, to the breadman, to the farmers and customers because we had an economy that was working.  We employed people.  We had full service gas stations with "Filler up for ya" to "Let me check your oil" and the air in the tires were checked.  We traded our S&H green stamps for pretties in a glass case.  This was how it was.  There were no Super Walmarts with food items.  There was no such thing as Food chains.  There was community. There was USDA inspectors.  There were strong unions, no problem with catch you Friday and pay for this.  There was trust and there was no money or little in elections.  

All of this community effort and working class went down the tubes when the superchains and self service /convenience stores and a buck for some air in your tires.
When did all of this change?  Why did it change?

  Is a convenient store really convenient when all you do is wait behind some guy or gal waiting to buy into their retirement, you know the Mega bucks lottery on Tuesday and three scatch offs?  Then you go find the cheapest oil you can on a small aisle and then pay 1 dollar for air in your tires.   If you are a dime short on anything including a big slurpee, nobody wants to trust you for twenty minutes, much less payday !!!    The changeup of employees at these so called self service stations are so often until you never learn any one's name not even in the smallest of towns.. Today many in urban areas are all caged up behind bars like they themselves commited crimes, rather than warding off a would be thief.  Is this really progress?  No.   These folks are overworked and underpaid and scared to death of losing these jobs and I bet you never hear anyone whistle a song anymore.

I used to hear our breadman whistle some snappy tune while delivering items.  I seriously did.  

Yes, I do remember when the majority of America was NOT on anything called Foodstamps.  I also remember a kinder and more prosperous America with real jobs and real food and real service including the medical field.   I remember that the so called takers and moochers Romney talked about are NOT any of the sort but need something to carry them over in hard times or less convenient times to make it till payday.   No.  They did not want to remember the catch you on the 15th Mrs. Doe America.  They didn't remember there were real jobs that we made in this country and that food was grown and inspected here in the states.  

Will we ever go back to a time when service ...customer service...the customer is always right policy and people not being so greedy and mistrustful as to actually care about America and that includes that tax scale that was paid in the 60's.  There was a time we had only one preacher messing in pollitics and that was Billy Graham and he also had the only mega church.   We did not mix politics and religion.   I remember.

Want to know why we need big government?   It is because we have no community.
It is because we have sold out to the lowest bidder and have kissed off the middle class.
I miss the breadman, the milkman, the general practioner, and the local markets who ran tabs.

I remember when firemen were respected , police were not militarized and war was not waging everywhere.  Teachers were respected, children were educated, prison was for real criminals and people were kinder.  There were civil rights issues but really, how much bigotry and racism has gone away?  We have a long way to go to get rid of the predjudices and racism along with downright mean and people losing on all levels unless you are rich and entitled or want to be.   America.....we are better than the evil that existed in the 60's socially but nothing much has changed and maybe it will now that we have a smart and wonderful president who does care about nation building in this country.  Maybe we could start with a milkman or USDA inspection up to par, and rid us of the slave labor Walmarts.   Maybe that is a start.

Originally posted to Vetwife on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 05:00 PM PST.

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  •  S&H greenstamps, Oh yes.. n/t (13+ / 0-)

    Occupy- Your Mind. - No better friend, no worse enemy. -8.75, -6.21<> Bring the Troops Home Yesterday

    by Thousandwatts on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 05:38:35 PM PST

  •  Nobody made Americans squander good American (25+ / 0-)

    jobs in pursuit of another Blue Light Special. Americans did that all on their own.

    This Friday go to Walmart not for the Black Friday geegaws but to demonstrate in support of WalMart workers striking for the right to organize.

    Occupy Tucson is doing it. A Kossack is the principal organizer. How about in your neck of the woods?

    “Meditation is the only intentional, systematic human activity which at bottom is about not trying to improve yourself or get anywhere else, but simply to realize where you already are.” Jon Kabat-Zinn

    by DaNang65 on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 05:54:55 PM PST

    •  Sorry, the Occupy Tucson link (7+ / 0-)

      only goes back to the first article linked. My bad. The text of the OT invitation on Facebook reads

      Demonstration of Solidarity with Walmart Workers in Tucson
      Public Event · By Occupy Tucson
      Friday, November 23, 2012
      10:00am until 2:00pm
      1650 West Valencia Road
      Demonstration of Solidarity with Walmart Workers in Tucson
      Find out more about the Worker led movement at http://forrespect.org/

      Remember to Invite your Friends

      Walmart Supercenter 1650 West Valencia Road.
      (Meet at the Corner of Valencia/Midvale.) [md]

      “Meditation is the only intentional, systematic human activity which at bottom is about not trying to improve yourself or get anywhere else, but simply to realize where you already are.” Jon Kabat-Zinn

      by DaNang65 on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 06:08:23 PM PST

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    •  have not heard of one here having demonstrations (10+ / 0-)

      But then this is a right to work state,  Not many unions here.    Those greedy kept tearing down communities with their cheap child labor goods and the Mom and Pop shops just closed up.   They could not compete and what we end up having is what we got.  Greedy Walmarts where people have to strike to get treated farily....

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 06:48:07 PM PST

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    •  When my Dad returned (6+ / 0-)

      from WWII, he went back to his factory job. It was a pretty good Union job and, between a small farm and it, he was able to raise 7 kids. We lived close to a small town that had everything you needed to get by without going to the nearby city, where Dad worked. Dad would buy everything in that town and he especially patronized the small local hardware, from building supplies to shotgun shells. He could buy all of these things cheaper in the big city. One time, when I was maybe 20, Dad came over to my place. I was working on something and had a small bag of nuts and bolts sitting on a table which I had bought at a bigger hardware in the city. Dad looked at them and asked where I got them. I told him and he asked why I didn't by them in the local hardware, which by this time was struggling. He got very upset over that little bag of bolts and proceeded to explain to me for the umpteenth time where I screwed up.

      Dad "when you spend your money you do it in this order. First you spend your money in your township. If it doesn't have what you need, spend it in your town, then your county, then your state and then your country."

      Dad wasn't the only "old" guy that walked the talk, many if not most back then did. They knew that this is how communities survived and thrived. Sadly, the big box stores were already around and our local hardware, grocery and gas station were long closed when he passed.

      Imagine what our country would be like today if we would have listened to the old guys........

      "If fighting for a more equal and equitable distribution of the wealth of this country is socialistic, I stand guilty of being a socialist." Walter Reuther

      by fugwb on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 06:43:24 AM PST

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    •  Support local businesses (4+ / 0-)
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      Vetwife, indres, FloridaSNMOM, DaNang65

      Please also support local businesses. Behind every local book store, florist, grocery store, farm stand, etc. are local accountants, lawyers, suppliers, and more. When I worked for Raleigh Unchained, I saw how these businesses help communities thrive. Big bonus: everyone including the owners pay taxes locally, helping to build schools, roads, and libraries.

      It makes me wince when folks come to my booth at an event, try a free sample of my food, and then ask if Wildly Affordable Organic is available on Amazon. Yes, and I'm glad if you buy a copy anywhere, but I have copies here that will pay for me to be at this event. There are also copies in local stores and at Barnes & Noble, which at least pays NC sales tax.

      Learn more about the benefits of buying local from the American Independent Business Alliance. Vote with your wallet and with your fork.

      What is a food system but a multitude of bites? Visit Cook for Good and vote with your fork!

      by Cook for Good on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 08:33:19 AM PST

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  •  Trust me, the FDA is still around (4+ / 0-)
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    My employer went through an FDA inspection earlier in the year.  You can check out www.fda.gov and see who they have busted recently.

    Home delivery uses more gas and/or diesel than supermarkets.  Yes, it would be fun to not have to go to Smith's (the only thing that passes for competition for Walmart around here) but global warming means bad skiing conditions.

    Let's look at the immigrants that are allowed in the USA.  Before 1965, a room full of people taking the citizenship oath looked like an NHL locker room.  I like our current system better.

    Yes, health care costs too much.  But I like laser surgery, MRI's and ultrasound.

    •  I am not talking bad civil rights, I am (5+ / 0-)

      talking goods and services.  I am talking about where
      people without that college education could get a job or get one while going.   FDA does not do the job it did do at one time.  

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 01:33:48 AM PST

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      •  About those trucks...... (0+ / 0-)

        Those trucks that made those deliveries back in the 50's had no safety equipment or emissions controls.

        Fleets of trucks are going to cost more now.

        Did those trucks back in the 50's have temperature controls?  I don't know.  More people live in places like Arizona and Florida now.  Food delivery trucks had better have some expensive and effective temperature controls now.

        I wish this weren't true, but the guys that drive them are going to have to be drug tested.  Trust me on this.....

        The data that I could easily find stops at 1996.

        But it looks like the FDA has been plenty busy recently.

        •  Is home delivery (1+ / 0-)
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          genuinely more expensive?  After all, if you don't have home delivery, then everyone uses their car to get to the stores.

          Just wondering....

          The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

          by dfarrah on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 06:43:10 PM PST

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          •  You want Walmart doing the home delivery? (0+ / 0-)

            Do we want some Walmart-sized company delivering everything?

            In that case, there may be some economies of scale.'

            If people need to receive deliveries from a dozen different trucks every day; from the dairy, the butcher, the baker, the vegetable seller, etc; that's going to make it tough going if I decide to ride my bike to work that day.

            •  Well, what if those (0+ / 0-)

              trucks result in a reduction in overall traffic?  After all, even if the dairy, butcher, baker, vegetables have a number of trucks assigned to various neighborhoods, wouldn't that be less than all of the neighbors driving to the various entiities?

              Why wouldn't there be less overall traffic instead of more?

              I wouldn't know about how it would work, but it seems it could potentially reduce overall traffic.

              The banks have a stranglehold on the political process. Mike Whitney

              by dfarrah on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 04:48:30 PM PST

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    •  Yup (2+ / 0-)
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      Let's not get too rosy here.  I can remember classmates being slapped and spanked by teachers for not performing up to snuff.  Education is much better now that LD's are recognized and victims of child abuse are protected.

      That "Catch you Friday" culture won't ever come back.  It requires a level of community homogeneity and cohesiveness we'll never see again.

      There's no cure for stupid, and won't be if you keep cutting the funding for the research.

      by Ref on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 03:54:12 AM PST

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    •  I would (6+ / 0-)

      think that the math would back up home delivery.  Think about all the cars/Giant SUV's/trucks being driven to the store.
       Of course current Americans could not wait until the milkman comes because we need it now.  Let me drive 10 miles at 3 AM to the local Wal-Mart so I can get a gallon of milk.  Must Have Now!

    •  Are you sure about the gas thing? (3+ / 0-)

      If you're delivering to, say, 50 houses a couple blocks apart in one load, shouldn't that use less gas than people from 50 homes driving every day or two to pick stuff up?

    •  Then use electric vehicles (2+ / 0-)
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      FloridaSNMOM, Vetwife

      Those trucks weren't that big, nor were they going that far, so even with current technology they could do a delivery route without running out of charge.

      The problem would be to get people thinking in terms of regular deliveries for their milk, eggs, & other perishables. Grocery deliveries had a minor vogue in the 1990s; I don't think it ever became profitable. Does any store offer this service any more?

  •  Here's what we have (1+ / 0-)
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    Vetwife

    This company operates around here.

    I thought they were just local but they also deliver in Las Vegas.

  •  How about a National Manufacturing Policy? (7+ / 0-)

    This would create good paying manufacturing jobs in the USA and not countries such as China or Mexico.  When you have a strong manufacturing base, many other service industries are created.  It would be a win-win.

  •  I remember the milkman delivering milk in bottles (4+ / 0-)

    to the little metal box outside our back door.  I loved the sound of the milk bottles being put in and taken out of that box.  But as I got older as a kid-- in other words, as I got toward around age 9 or 10, so this would have been around 1970, 71-- I didn't like the cream at the top of the milk anymore.  This was also an age before skim milk, and the clots and bumps of cream disgusted me, so I began to refuse to drink the milk.  As I look back on it I must have driven my mother to despair, trying to figure out what to do to get her kid to drink milk.  

    I don't know if the milk service stopped coming to our house because Mom stopped it, or because the dairy stopped delivery.  At some point, however, our milk began to be purchased only at the store.  My mom kept the metal milk box outside the kitchen door for the rest of the time we lived in that house.  A reminder of simpler times, I guess.

    Mom saved green stamps, too!  I remember those books!  I also remember savings programs through the local savings bank.  

    Your diary makes me mourn, because as I look back on it I was aware, somewhat, of how things were changing around me in the town I grew up in-- the milk service stopped; the greeting card store closed; the two small-town clothiers (one for me, one for women) closed; big super stores began to open.  

    The thing that made me saddest was when the five and dime closed in my home town.  I'm not remembering the exact year, but it must have been the late 1970s or the very beginning of the 80s.  That really changed the feeling of the town.  I have such fond memories of going there when we were little kids.  

    That's one more thing to add to my long list of small problems. --my son, age 10

    by concernedamerican on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 05:11:05 AM PST

  •  There WAS a need for food stamps (8+ / 0-)

    And many DID go hungry back then.  Maybe their skin was a little too dark so they don't show up too well in the black and WHITE photos from that era.  Maybe the bulky cameras and film equipment couldn't fit into the tight apartment of a senior living on a pension or make it up into the mountains of Appalachia.  Here's some film from a film crew that did manage to find "the other side of the tracks": http://archive.org/...

    It's a credit to the progressives of that area that they could see the need for food assistance and they came up with and passed a food stamp program.  

    Lack of community was sold to Americans along with their new consumer lifestyle.  In being able to buy anything you wanted from a store, you were less reliant on the local butcher, baker, or candlestick maker. Sliced Wonder Bread in a wrapper meant you could just toss it in your basket at the store, instead of chit-chatting with the baker while he put it through the slicer and bagged it for you.

    The new consumer lifestyle led to more mobility, moving around the country chasing a better job until your extended family extended from the Deep South to the Pacific Northwest.  Or from New York to L.A.  Even in this more mobile society, it wasn't mobile through public transportation, where you would interact with your neighbors, but in personal vehicles, where the only opportunity for interaction with others is flipping the bird to someone who cuts you off in traffic.  

    Community exists where people need each other and trade goods and services among each other.  Community exists where you talk to your neighbors on the bus or trolley.  Consumerism seeks to make a profit on each of those trades, so business needs to get people to drop that sort of trade and spend money in their business instead.  So today there are no neighborhood bakeries, but there is plenty of semi-stale, loaded with preservatives bread stocked on the shelves of the chain grocery and dollar stores.  And the profit on that bread enriches the CEO of the NYSE listed company, but few others.  He's the one who has streamlined the system and cut out all the "middlemen" that you are missing.

    And now, even the maker of Wonder Bread can't keep up with the greed from the top of the pyramid.  The Hostess carcass will be butchered, and the pieces sold off so that more money can flow to the top.  And the union workers?  They will be sent back to square one, looking at each other and wondering where their jobs and community went.

  •  People did go hungry but not at the pace (3+ / 0-)

    of today's hunger rate even with food stamps.  People could grow their food and fish without licenses.   I am familiar with the other side of the tracks.   People WERE more community oriented and that all changed in Reagaonomics if we really want to know WHEN.

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 08:44:28 AM PST

    •  . (2+ / 0-)
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      FloridaSNMOM, Vetwife

      I agree 100% with your hunger and food statement but I disagree that it started with Reagan, the decline in standards of living and wages accelerated with Reagan and ever since.  The chart in the following article which discusses the topic shows clearly that after Nixon took the US off the gold standard in 1971 (for settlement of international debt payments) the decline started (OPEC oil embargo in 1973/74 was a direct result imo). Nixon did this ironically to accelerate the war in vietnam and France was demanding gold only instead of fiat dollars for settlement of trade.

      http://www.theburningplatform.com/...

      "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." -James Madison

      by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 04:47:20 PM PST

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      •  Yes you are right..the long lines (0+ / 0-)

        There were still some milkmen around but things were changing.   Thanks for the clarification.

        We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

        by Vetwife on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 07:15:34 PM PST

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        •  . (1+ / 0-)
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          Vetwife

          Just had a conversation with my wife about it before I made my comment and even reading the diary.   In the area we live (WA) there still are milkmen, brother-in-law was having it delivered for some time and they are still around... I was amazed.

          "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." -James Madison

          by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 03:59:47 PM PST

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  •  Very nostalgic diary. Thank you. (1+ / 0-)
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    Vetwife

    I believe we are capable of making community wherever we live. Talk to your neighbors. Talk to the person checking your groceries, or the others in line. Volunteer at the food bank or kitchen. Things we never return to what you remember, but there are still opportunities to make your own community.

    The only thing I really miss is having someone pump my gas. That went away in the late '70's when we had a shortage of gas. People were so happy to finally not have to wait in lines, they didn't complain when they lost all the other services provided by gas station attendants. If we had complained then, they would have returned.

    •  My son read this diary and said, (4+ / 0-)

      I don't remember a breadman or milkman.  I said, "Of course you don't"..they went away when you were a tike.  He said . "But I do remember windshield washing and air in the tires.  I also remember you signing a ticket and saying stay in the car on Fridays when you got your wallet out.  I told him, " There were days I really don't know how I would have got to work if the local gas station didn't run a tab till payday".   I remember where I was when I had to pump my own gas and was not happy at all.  I was clueless.   I have fussed about it every since.   It was a Shell station at a so called convenience store as the full service Texaco had shut down and I was ticked and it was in the mid 70's.  I was single and it was COLD outside.  

      I remember many a vet from my hometown worked in the garage and the filling station we called it when they got home till they found regular jobs and it was a steady income because people tipped as well.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 02:34:30 PM PST

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  •  I remember the vegetable truck coming to the (4+ / 0-)

    neighborhood every week.

    I remember the milk man.

    We could buy a whole bag of candy for a dime.

    A family of four could live comfortably on a single income.

    In Oregon it's illegal to pump your own gas; they insist on protecting those jobs. Good for them.

    Stop the party of Gut & Spend policies that gut our Earned Benefits programs like Social Security and Medicare and spends on tax breaks for the wealthy elite.

    by jillwklausen on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 03:34:05 PM PST

  •  I remember (2+ / 0-)
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    when when Ross Perot warned in 1992 of the 'sucking sound' that free trade would bring.... we're now living it or starving because of it depending on how crappy things have gotten for each of us.  There were economists in the MSM that actually were concerned about balanced trade but I guess they are all dead now or run out of town on the free trade rail.

    "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." -James Madison

    by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 04:58:14 PM PST

    •  We don't have free trade with China (0+ / 0-)

      Where are the starving Canadians?

      Canada has free trade with a large, violent, poverty-stricken country.  Shouldn't Canadians be starving?

      Shouldn't Cuba be the most prosperous country in the hemisphere?  They don't have any trade with the US.

      •  who are you? (0+ / 0-)

        some of these comments are real debbie downers.

        We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

        by Vetwife on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 02:20:20 PM PST

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      •  . (1+ / 0-)
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        Vetwife

        free trade doesn't mean just a 'free trade agreement', it is an ideological philosophy that is being practiced regularly with or without an 'agreement'.  You should know that but your moniker tells all that is needed to know.

        "History records that the money changers have used every form of abuse, intrigue, deceit, and violent means possible to maintain their control over governments by controlling the money and its issuance." -James Madison

        by FreeTradeIsYourEpitaph on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 03:56:51 PM PST

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  •  Buy local (1+ / 0-)
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    We still get milk and eggs delivered every Friday morning from a local dairy. The milk is so fresh that I've never thrown away a drop because it went bad. When my kids were still living at home, they wouldn't drink grocery store milk because they said it tasted bad. I imagine it just wasn't fresh.

    I remember getting groceries delivered. My mom would call in an order and in an hour or two it would show up. Dry cleaning was delivered too.

    I'm becoming more and more aware of trying to buy local. Sometimes it's hard -- many of the small businesses in our area (Seattle) have gone under due to the lousy economy. But I do check the origin of the produce that I buy, and I try to buy from farmers' markets and produce stands during the summer. I've decided that if the carbon footprint is huge, then I just won't buy it.

    The 99% believe corporations are not people. The 1% believe the 99% are not people.

    by DixieDishrag on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 07:55:04 PM PST

  •  LUCKEEEEEEE !!! I want a breadman and milkman (0+ / 0-)

    and oh goodness a filling station would be nice too.
    If I was a gazillionaire like Romney I would build a town that furnished all that.

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 11:32:04 AM PST

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