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I woke up this morning to this story on NPR. At the GOP governors meeting this weekend the bubble was strong. I'm still a bit amazed at what I heard. Yes, the Obama / Democratic ground game was powerful and successful. Yes, the demographics were changed a bit this time by it. Yes, in the first round Citizen's United was kind of a bust for the money involved. But to the governors, their goals are what Americans really want, contrary to extensive evidence.

This sort of tone deafness may bode for weaker all around numbers for the GOP in elections, although Citizen's United and pay-to-play elections may prove very much  more difficult two years from now. If you do nothing else today, please listen to this Bill Moyers interview with Trevor Potter, Steven Colbert's superpac lawyer. It outlines how, if we cannot show that running government as we did in the late forties into the sixties is the blueprint for US revival we may have a very tough fight in 2014. Even some of those whom we elected may not really believe that substantially higher taxes over all, perhaps 5 to 10 percent, along with short-term spending boosts and debit pay-downs over the next 4 years are a major part of the solution. We also need higher wages to complete the model and make it work, something rarely spoken of in Washington. We need them to advance this point of view into our upcoming legislation and the execution thereof. We here at DKos, in the end, are yearning for more of what we saw in how FDR turned us around in the great depression. And how Truman, Kennedy, Democratic majorities in Congress, even the Keynesian advocate Dwight Eisenhower, created the launching pad into our information age. We now live in a time where world wide prosperity and peace are in our grasp. We live in an age which must undo the environmental climactic disaster we have created, perhaps even needing to terraform our way out of it. We need to invest, wisely, in this future.

In the short run things are even graver. This viewpoint believed against evidence by the governors, the reason that Obama had a machine which won was because it was fueled by optimism and hope for idiots chasing after freebies, will continue to add to the Neoconservative belligerent temper tantrums in Washington. We're likely in good tactical shape to have the GOP tax the rich, but beyond that we can expect no change from the Republicans short of powerful partisan strong-arming on our side. Which is no way to run a country efficiently. Even if the Democrats in the senate modify the filibuster, we might stand to see more endless gridlock in Congress.

Let's do a quick jump and I'll wrap up.

President Obama has expressed a desire to keep Obama For America intact over the next four years. This is indeed a desirable strategy and could be morphed into a Democratic activist base that can be transferred on to our upcoming races up to and beyond 2012. Still this assumes that the president over the next four years decides to govern more like FDR and Truman than Reagan and Ike. I contend our blowout in 2010 came from an activist base which had the wind knocked out of its sails by an administration who listened least to it and more to the Republican party in an ill fated attempt at bipartisanship. With 2012 excitement we would have smitten the Tea Party in the bud. That would have trounced the last two years of absolute GOP stonewalling based on the Neoconservative failed ideology.

I think the strong evangelical bent of the republican party drives it far more strongly than many people realize. It creates a mindset where one puts the importance of beliefs above truth demonstrated by evidence. There was no shortage of information by Silver, Wang, and Markos as to where the election was heading. Their mindset did not allow them to at least average what they believed what the polling said with what we thought it said. The result with victories by Obama and senate had no basis to be as shocking as it was to them. None at all when averaged out, or even considered to be right. They also put belief above knowledge when they ignore the days worth of reading at this site alone about what liberals really think and what our true goals and aspirations are. Many Republicans simply cannot consider their worldview incorrect. They believe they need to change the tone of their message, not the message itself. We must break this spell for the good of our nation.

We need to keep ourselves organized now and speak loudly to the President and our Democratic congresspeople. To our governors and statewide parties. I think Obama realized his mistake in 2010 and at least suspects that we need an exaggerated effort to change the narrative conservatives believe for our success. We also need to tell our stories and experiences to help conservatives across the country re-calibrate what they think they know about liberalism. To re-calibrate what they think they know of reality. That was a scary sentence to write. We need to have all of us, from the president on down explain the history of America's rise from 1946 into the late 60's under a powerhouse Democratic Keynesian model of economic strength and fairness. We need to see unions re-invent themselves for a fast moving 21st century which will raise wages in this country, the real solution to our economic woes. We need to create and maintain enough influence by the base, and as much as we can from OWS, to demonstrate the evidence of our political theories. Theories that liberals allowed to falter for 30 years by not adhering to them as strongly as we did when Democrats lead the way about 70 years ago to this country becoming the greatest example of democracy ever witnessed by humankind.

Originally posted to Noodles on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 11:03 AM PST.

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  •  That was quite the story all right. (15+ / 0-)

    It wasn't Obama's policies that voters agreed with. It was their ground game.

    Time Magazine pretty much said the same thing.

    WRONG.

  •  Evangelicals Turned Out More Than In 2008 (10+ / 0-)

    and they shifted away from Obama to Romney compared to 2008.

    Who would a hypothetically stronger Republican ground game have turned out?

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 11:37:37 AM PST

    •  Even the non-evangelicals in the GOP are steeped.. (0+ / 0-)

      ... in the mind set that what they believe trumps what is.

    •  Romney used his money wrong in the primary (1+ / 0-)
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      The Nose

      Romney had a base of Mormons who helped him in the early states.  But when Romney could have built a ground game in primary states like PA, he instead decided to blow his opponents away with negative ads.

      Pennsylvania is the classic example, Santorum was in the race going into PA and Romney told him that he would launch negative ads and destroy him in his home state.  Based on that knowledge Santorum got out of the race when PA was on deck.  

      So Romney won the PA primary by TKO, but never took the opportunity to get an organizaton going in the state, unlike Clinton and Obama did.

    •  The numbers don't add up any way you look at them. (3+ / 0-)
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      golem, JVolvo, cosmicvoop

      The ground game was focused on nine swing states with about a quarter of the national population.  Supposing the Republicans had run a faultless ground game in those states.  They'd have to obtain an unrealistically massive shift in those states to overcome the solid popular vote lead Obama won nationwide.

      If you look at specific swing states, an effective Republican ground game probably would have swung Florida. It might have swung Ohio, but those two wouldn't have been enough to give give Romney victory. He'd have had to flipped Virginia and Colorado too to get an electoral college victory but that's a bit of a long shot given that Obama won by 3% and 3.7% in those states.

      This is what we were hearing about when commentators talked about Romney's "narrow path to victory".  He had a lot more "must win" states than Obama at stake. This has nothing to do with Romney and everything to do with the fact that since Florida, Virginia and North Carolina have become swing states, the Southern Strategy has become a millstone around the Republican candidates' necks.

      The Republican party has become a regional party as far as presidential elections are concerned. Their candidates used to win regularly in California and New York. Now they haven't won an election in those two states for a generation. That's  a total of 86 electoral votes out of 270 needed to win, meaning the Democratic candidates starts almost a third of the way to victory without lifting a finger. If Texas comes into play, as some think it will in the coming years, the Republicans are screwed.

      The importance of Latino voters can't be overestimated, especially in Texas  and Florida.  I think it highly likely that Republicans will have to become more moderate on immigration reform, just to stay in the game.  If they're smart they'll move to the center on a number of issues, trusting that the extremists base will hold their nose and vote Republican rather than vote for a Democrat.  That's rather like the way centrist elements in the Democratic party has been marginalizing the liberal base of the party for years now.

      I've lost my faith in nihilism

      by grumpynerd on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 08:49:37 PM PST

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  •  I guess that is a preview of the battle ahead (4+ / 0-)
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    OldDragon, Old Lefty, wasatch, JVolvo

    I agree that the evangelical mindset is driving the GOP and is what is behind putting belief ahead of evidence.  

    Republicans think that their strength is how strongly they believe and that this is what attracts voters, who are looking for the Strong Hand.  

    They won't give up on this because to do so, would be to repudiate everything they have been doing to build up the evangelical-based coalition for the past fifty years.  

    So be it.

    What progressives have to do is be more insistent on the need for elected leaders and for the voting public to face the truth of what our reality contains and to be more adequate to the real challenges instead of hiding in denial.  

    Reality versus denial seems to be at the root of just about every issue.  

    hope that the idiots who have no constructive and creative solutions but only look to tear down will not win the day.

    by Stuart Heady on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 11:42:05 AM PST

  •  shorter: we don't have enough voters to beat (11+ / 0-)

    the Democrats.  Solution: make voting harder.

    ...better the occasional faults of a government that lives in a spirit of charity, than the consistent omissions of a government frozen in the ice of its own indifference. -FDR, 1936

    by James Allen on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 11:45:01 AM PST

  •  Never tires does it (2+ / 0-)
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    love100, psnyder

    How many times have radical, racist, right-wing, redneck, republicans have said, we lost because.  These excuses, taken all together, makes it appear they did everything wrong.

  •  They should've had a ground game (3+ / 0-)
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    jan4insight, Stude Dude, Joe Bob

    Instead of those stupid commercials they were running, like that annoying anti-Jay Inslee hates business commercials with the stupid piano music.  Oh BTW Jay Inslee is the next governor of Washington

    One does not simply walk into Mordor! One invites a gas driller in, and one’s land becomes Mordor. Chris From Balloon Juice

    by Mr Stagger Lee on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 01:51:05 PM PST

  •  We'll see how wrong they are if... (7+ / 0-)

    We can beat them in 2014 too.
    To a large extent I can understand their attitude. They got beat up bad in 2008, and everyone was falling over themselves to tell us that the Republican party was dead.
    Then 2010 happened.
    I agree that lack of enthusiasm after the WH fetish with bipartisanism had a lot to do with that, but a "Grand Bargain" that hurts SS/Medicare could do the same thing.
    The Democrats have been making some encouraging noises of late, but the proof of the pudding will be in the eating.
    Lets see what happens with the "fiscal cliff" negotiations and if Harry Reid actually implements filibuster reform before we start writing the Republicans off as dead.

  •  The difference between a Republican and a Democrat (8+ / 0-)

    All election night, the Republican spin machine was predicting 330 to 335 electoral voted for Romney.  They were calling it a mandate.  George Waste Bush actually lost the general election by 532 votes, yet the Republicans were quick to declare a victory and, you guessed it, a mandate for George.
    Here we have a true victory for the Democrats by the same electoral college tally and now it's not a mandate for the Democrats?  What's good for the goose is good for the gander,  The Democrats have a mandate -- a legitimate mandate -- and they should use it.  Tell the Republicans to kindly shut the fuck up.

  •  Hitler says things are really looking (5+ / 0-)

    up for the German war effort, too.  Apparently there are some secret weapons that the Fuehrer believes will win the war for our side!  Yippee!  It's all about that stupid Allied "ground game."  Ignore the sound of tanks.

    Still enjoying my stimulus package.

    by Kevvboy on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 04:13:28 PM PST

    •  You can always tell (1+ / 0-)
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      how the war is going by seeing how far from home base the victories are happening.

      Presidency?  All is going well.

      Senate?  All is going tolerably well, but there are issues.

      House?  Uh-oh.

      Your state's governor's mansion?  You have problems.

      The fact that the GOP governors feel they have to say this means their war is not going well and, in fact, the Allied forces are currently in sharp retreat.

      Caveat:  I expect, barring an absolutely extraordinary ground game, some losses in the House and Senate in 2014.  How much remains to be seen, ask me in September 2014 at the earliest after I've evaluated the ground game in place.

      (-6.25, -6.77) Moderate left, moderate libertarian

      by Lonely Liberal in PA on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 05:24:39 PM PST

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  •  I heard the same thing and cheered (9+ / 0-)

    They are still clueless! "It wasn't about our policies; it was our messengers." "People still want the Conservative way of governance - we just have to sell it better." On and on, repeating the same old delusions.

    At this rate, the Republican Party will go the way of the Federalists and the Whigs within the next two decades. What we will probably see is a bifurcation within the Democratic Party, with a split-off on the Left.

    I am 56, and have been living with these mindless warmongering "patriots" ever since 1968 and the Nixon campaign. That's a whole lifetime of watching the rich rob the poor. At the same time, the actual populace has gotten more liberal and more diverse. The only areas of the Republicanism are the old Confederacy.

    What we need to do is seize the moment and crack the Conservative's hold on the Red States. Organization for America should immediately begin prepping for the 2014 election by utilizing the 50-State Strategy. Find primary candidates in every state, who can run on a Progressive ticket.

    We can do this. I want to see the Republican Party become a powerless rump within my lifetime. They have injured and killed enough of our fellow citizens.

    They say "cut back" - we say "fight back"!

    by Louise on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 04:25:22 PM PST

    •  It only opens a door if we win upcoming battles (2+ / 0-)
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      cosmicvoop, Louise

      If things aren't going well in DC often the public blames whoever is in power and takes it away even if it's the minority party's fault. We won't make real red state inroads until we prove our policies work better for the average person. If successful there, then we may be looking at decades of Democratic majorities in America again.

    •  I think it's the Repubs who will implode (2+ / 0-)
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      David PA, Louise

      I've said this before.  The country's getting wise to the GOP's obstructionism, and their failed and unpopular policies; they seem to want to drive themselves off a cliff of irrelevancy.  The country is becoming more Libertarian socially, but because there are still so many in the GOP who resist that tooth and nail I really think that's going to blow them up at some point.

      Just for fun, let's say this happens.  We do have a 2-party system but certainly it could be regional.  My very amateur prediction: The GOP itself runs to the center (they are smart, and like power after all), and some Tea Party-Evangelical coalition splits off.  In the South the new conservative party splits power with the GOP, but in the rest of the country they are seen as a joke and it stays D & R.  Of course the new conservative party wouldn't have a chance of electing a President, but they'd keep the ol' Bible Belt...

      Given just how many hard right-wingers I've met I'm not so sure it's that far fetched.

      My dad is a birther. I am not.

      by mrfo on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 09:36:04 PM PST

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  •  What about a federal minimum wage, it would have (1+ / 0-)
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    To be scaled by cost of living or the poverty level state by state. A living wage should be mandatory. Families with both parents working should NEVER need food stamps.

  •  but after... (8+ / 0-)

    2010, it was two years of "Americans have spoken".  Just as Dubya's narrow reelection gave him "all this capital to spend", while Obama's resounding 2012 reelection was "a squeaker" and he has no mandate because gerrymandering after a census allowed the GOP to keep the House.

    The Republicans...so predictably treacherous.

    "It's almost as if we're watching Mitt Romney on Safari in his own country." -- Jonathan Capeheart

    by JackND on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 04:28:21 PM PST

  •  I don't know any republican "leaders" personally (3+ / 0-)
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    Stude Dude, Noodles, OleHippieChick

    and although I agree with you, I believe that whatever the republican leadership does or doesn't do won't be noticed by much of their base.  The few republicans I know were all fired up for about 6 months...and have now retreated to their concrete bunkers to oil their weapons and read their bibles until they need to come out to call people names and, once again, pay no attention to the facts that may exist.

    They are clueless and will stay that way...because they WANT to be clueless bigots.  Facts only confuse them...briefly.   Then, they just yell louder....pray louder...and spew venom.

    We need to keep OFA intact, and we also need to get the IRS to pay more attention to the 501c charities/churches that are
    up to their eyeballs in politics...and take away their tax-exempt status. And, repeal the notion that corporations are people.  All a big order...but with concerted effort we could make real progress towards a banner 2014.

    The longer I live, the clearer I perceive how unmatchable a compliment one pays when he says of a man "he has the courage to utter his convictions." Mark Twain

    by Persiflage on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 04:44:28 PM PST

  •  Let's get started (6+ / 0-)

    This is the 2nd time I am making this comment after reading a diary that evinced concern about 2014.  I am willing right now to commit to $5,000 to help fund a national political strategy that will begin right now planning and executing a national ground game and message for 2014.  The Repubs won in 2010 because they all had the same message and the Dems didn't do any work at all.  Ditto with 1994.  Let's prove Nate wrong, which I'm sure won't bother him at all.  Let's get started.  My 5 grand is ready. C'mon, let's get to work.

  •  Its at this point in a cliche-riddled movie (2+ / 0-)
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    maybeeso in michigan, David PA

    that you hear a record being scratched while the director goes to a freeze frame of an actor, all intending to denote something really dumb has just happened.

    It seems the GOP has moved into stage 4 in their attempt to cope with being laid to waste during the election The stages are denial, grief, rage, and now rationalization. Acceptance and change are, of course, not on their list of stages.

    What can be asserted without proof can be dismissed without proof. - C. Hitchens

    by sizzzzlerz on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 04:57:58 PM PST

  •  Mandate? (5+ / 0-)

    G W Bush got 271 and 286 electoral votes in 2000 and 2004, respectively, and Repubs were running around with their hair aflame righteously proclaiming the coming of a mandated, permanent GOP majority.  Oh, yeah, we got our mandate, alright, and we won't back off.

  •  Now That Obama Doesn't Have To Face Another.... (1+ / 0-)
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    election, it frees him up.  It's his legacy we're talking about now.  His next four years will be about global warming, immigration,  fully implementing the ACA & decreasing our need for fossil fuels.  

    Those will be his crowning achievements.....I hope.  

  •  Each spin is more pathetic than the previous one (0+ / 0-)
  •  because its relevant to the current 'conservative' (1+ / 0-)
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    current 'conservative' mindset, i'm reposting a comment i made earlier.

    if you haven't read it, i HIGHLY recommend Chris Mooney's The Republican Brain.
     (tl;dr: conservatives are more inclined to engage in 'motivated reasoning')

    Also: John Dean's Conservatives Without Conscience has quite a bit to say about research into the authoritarian mindset.

     Sarah Robinson's Cracks In The Wall series has alot of practical information on how to help authoritarians (especially, or primarily, fundies) acknowledging inner moral crisis land more gently into reality.

    We progressives have an incredible but time limited opportunity to both win some converts and dull some conservative fangs.  I'm under the impression George Lakoff has alot to say on framing but i've not read any of his stuff.

    et finale': this fella has some interesting stuff to say about how liberals and conservatives hear the same words differently.

    my apologies if reposting like this is a commenter faux pas.  it just seemed really relevant to the diary.

    to republicans rape is "God's will" but homosexuality is somehow a "choice". republican yahweh is a dick.

    by bnasley on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 07:25:46 PM PST

  •  So they haven't learned anything... (1+ / 0-)
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    The Nose

    ...and are too deeply stuck in their own crazy BubbleConservatism.  40 years in the wilderness it is then.

  •  We absolutely need (2+ / 0-)
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    chuck utzman, Noodles

    not only to remain organized but to begin working to give the president a Democratic majority House in 2014.

    The GOP can't win on ideas. They can only win by lying, cheating, and stealing. So they do.

    by psnyder on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 07:57:16 PM PST

  •  You know what? They lie about everything (1+ / 0-)
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    Noodles

    and we don't.

    End of story for most rational people.

    It is a mandate.  Solid one too.  Republicans took one in the sack, and the only reason they have the House strength they do is due to all the redistricting they did.

    ***Be Excellent To One Another***
    IF THEY ARE GOING TO SCREW THE PEOPLE, MAKE THEM OWN IT.

    by potatohead on Sun Nov 18, 2012 at 08:05:06 PM PST

  •  Higher wages? Commie! We all need to work (0+ / 0-)

    for 25 cents an hour so we can be "globally competitive"...with the American jobs we "offshored" to India and China.

  •  This mandate crap (0+ / 0-)

    Do you all suppose that this is the "Bargaining Phase" of their grief?

  •  The GOP will keep losing !!! (0+ / 0-)

    and we will make sure that they will. No change in policies means that they will not make it back into the WH.

  •  GOP GOVS are tyrants and inhumane. (0+ / 0-)

    the GOP governors are bad on the job. They have forgotten their fiduciary responsibilities in a democracy to govern for the good of all their constituents and have been focused on making the lives of workers and the poor miserable while enriching and the rich. RICK SCOTT in FL, is a master thief. He pulled off the greatest MEDICArE heist in the history of the program and is GOV with only 30% of the vote. He hasnt redeemed himself. he has insulted the poor and bilked taxpayers.John Kasich of OH is bad at governance, he has put public safety and education at risk with his ill advised and misguided policies. Snyder of MI is a tryarant. He is destroying city and city with excessive use of EFMs under a law that was so repulsive the public recently overturned it by referendum. But a judge says a previous comparable but weaker law still stands. The REPUGS in that state have savaged the common good assets betraying everything abt fiduciary responsibilities. And WI: Walker a college drop out has unhampered powers to divest the state of common good assets without oversight. and of course he hates public employee unions. These guys have to go, they will continue to abuse their public powers until stopped. The DEMS cannot let up on them, not for a minute.

    An EGG is not a person, A corporation is not a person!

    by CarmanK on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 12:31:28 PM PST

  •  Funny how GOPers don't make the connection (0+ / 0-)

    Just like with their "takeaway" on losing the women and minority vote by 20 and 40+ respectively, they think that their policies and messaging are two different thngs that seem to have no relation to each other...

    Keep up this line of thinking, LOSERS!  If this persists, we can take this to the political bank.

    --
    Make sure everyone's vote counts: Verified Voting

    by sacrelicious on Mon Nov 19, 2012 at 02:26:19 PM PST

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