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Last week, the White House signalled that President Obama would be taking the lame-duck fight with Republicans on ending the Bush tax cuts for the rich to the people. That outlines of that effort are now emerging, as President Obama is planning to take the fight out of Washington, D.C., "travelling the country and leaning on Democratic activist groups to help apply political pressure."
And so, top Obama operatives are gaming out ways to squeeze political capital out of the 2012 elections, aiming to affect the lame-duck session in Congress. Obama previewed the strategy in a conference call with activists after the election, saying that a second term that will include some barnstorming across the country. [...]

And so, top Obama operatives are gaming out ways to squeeze political capital out of the 2012 elections, aiming to affect the lame-duck session in Congress. Obama previewed the strategy in a conference call with activists after the election, saying that a second term that will include some barnstorming across the country.

At a Politico Playbook breakfast, former Obama campaign manager Jim Messina expanded on what the White House plans to do to engage his grassroots operation and supporters, saying, "People just spent five years winning two presidential elections together, now they’re not just walking away." He indicated that the campaign's "Dashboard" social media system could be used to engage Obama supporters to call members of Congress in the fiscal curb negotiations.

This is a great opportunity for President Obama's supporters to push for real progressive priorities, and to push the president to take a much harder line on the issues that are most at stake right now. Yes, ending the Bush tax cuts for the wealthy is critical in these negotiations, but just as critical is taking benefit cuts to Medicare, Medicaid and Social Security completely off of the table. Additionally, what President Obama should be fighting for in this lame-duck session includes extending unemployment benefits so there is no disruption in payments and making sure there's adequate, emergency funding for Hurricane Sandy recovery.

Those are the immediate priorities Obama's supporters can and should be asking him to fight for, in return for our help in pressuring Congress on the tax fight.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 09:16 AM PST.

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    •  Yep, it's going to be a fight every day (13+ / 0-)

      until things really change in this country.

      I'm not sixty-two—I'm fifty-twelve.

      by Pragmatus on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:02:09 AM PST

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      •  This is HORRIBLE! (2+ / 0-)
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        Ask yourself WHY is Obama trying to whip up his supporters to back a "Grand Bargain" during the lame duck session?

        Why not just let the cuts expire in January and then say to Republicans "tax cuts for the top 2% are off the table. Just pass a middle class tax bill for the 98% and I'll sign it."

        What could the Republicans do? They would have ZERO leverage! They COULD destroy the economy in order to insist upon tax cuts for the rich and continue to block tax cuts for 98% of the population, but that would be suicide. They have ZERO hope of winning that debate.

        They could refuse to fund certain Democratic priorities, like renewing unemployment insurance, and funding for various green initiatives -- but they're going to do that anyway during the next budget battle next year.

        Why not get it all out in the open and force them to back down?!

        In fact all this is SO OBVIOUS that the fact Obama is NOT taking this strategy means that he DOES NOT WANT TO WIN! Even after last year he's still Jonesing for his idiotic "Grand Bargain" and to be the "Bi-partisan President."

        He's whipping up Democrats to support "shared sacrifice" and trying to cut off debate about "why the hell are we being asked to sacrifice anything? WE didn't tank the economy! The top 1% did that and they're making out like bandits. So, why not just keep entitlements the way they are and pay for them with tax increases on the rich?"

        Obama doesn't want the people to get what they just voted for -- a full throated defense of Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Student Loans, green technology and other Democratic priorities.

        •  He doesn't have much realistic choice. (2+ / 0-)
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          He doesn't have to accept a bargain, but he has to put one on the table for Republicans to accept or reject.  Otherwise, he will be the President (and Democrats the party) who let tax rates leap up on ordinary Americans.

          He would become the calculating and uncaring politician instead of the Republicans.

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:40:42 AM PST

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          •  What do you care? (1+ / 0-)
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            No matter what the President does or doesn't do, you'll being bitching and claiming it's not good enough or no better than the Republicans.  That's what you do, your long history of false equivalencies and purity trolling are proof of this.  

            •  I care about the taxes and I want the country to (0+ / 0-)

              do better.

              Obama isn't a very good President, plain and simple.  I'm glad he beat Mitt Romney, but that's not very high praise.

              I would be thrilled if Obama suddenly became a great President, but nothing indicates that will happen, so I probably will continue bitching.

              As to false equivalencies and purity trolling, I don't believe I've ever engaged in the former and am damned sure I've never engaged in the latter.

              LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

              by dinotrac on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 12:45:06 PM PST

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          •  If the president doesn't resolve the (2+ / 0-)
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            problems the Republicans caused last summer, and do it before the new congress comes in, there is no guarantee that the Republicans would pass a middle-class tax cut afterward.  Yes, it would cause the Republicans trouble down the road, but meanwhile the country would have to live with the ramifications of the Republicans' recalcitrance for at least the next two years.

            There is an enormous amount the congress has to do to head off confusion and serious problems next year, from the extension of unemployment benefits to the ag bills that aren't even out of committee in either house yet and would have to be started over from scratch in a new congress.

            It's a mess, and it's all the Republicans' fault, but blaming them doesn't solve the problems, and since they're still in charge of the House next congress, boxing them in - with their history of obstruction - seems like a very chancy proposition.

            "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

            by SueDe on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 12:06:58 PM PST

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            •  I don't think anything has to be passed before the (1+ / 0-)
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              next Congress, but something needs to go onto the table.

              The deal doesn't have to make Republicans happy at all -- but it does have to appeal to a large percentage of the electorate.  That will put huge pressure on Republicans because the ball will suddenly shift to their court as the unambiguous cause of higher taxes for most Americans.

              I'm don't think optics will let the President explicitly say take it or leave it, but that can be the reality.  Republicans are the ones who will be burned by leaving it on the table.

              LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

              by dinotrac on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 12:49:08 PM PST

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              •  Good points all. (0+ / 0-)

                I completely agree that Obama should put something on the table - and encourage Democrats to put pressure on their rep's and senators - before the end of the year.  Unfortunately it looks like the Democrats are split - perhaps three ways - on what that offer should be.  Believe it or not, one of those groups still believes that Simpson-Bowles is a good idea.

                "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

                by SueDe on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 02:31:56 PM PST

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                •  I'm not surprised. (0+ / 0-)

                  Democrats have come a long way since JFK took that big whack out of the income tax in 1964 (LBJ signed it into law).

                  LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                  by dinotrac on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 02:42:36 PM PST

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                  •  We DON'T Have to Solve This in the Lame Duck! (0+ / 0-)

                    That's when Conservative Republicans have MAXIMUM leverage and Democrats and Liberals have the LEAST!

                    ONLY if we get into January with NO DEAL will Republicans be forced by overwhelming popular pressure to agree to OUR spending priorities.

                    In fact, why bargain at all? We can eliminate the Bush tax cuts for the top 1% just by letting them expire!

                    Then if Republicans want to block a middle class tax cut, fine! Let them sell that to the voters! Even deep Red State voters would have a problem with that!

                    That's why the right wingers are screaming about the "Fiscal Cliff" which is a giant LIE!

                    There is NO "cliff" in January! NOTHING happens except that taxes will go up -- WHEN people have to file -- i.e. April 15, 2013!

                    What? Congress can't pass a middle-class tax cut by April 15? They can and will.

                    There's ABSOLUTELY NO REASON for Democrats to fold on this and Pre-emptively bargain away all their advantage!

                    GOD! I'm Praying every day that John Boehner will refuse to budge one inch and save us from the idiotic "Grand Bargain!"

                    So far he's holding strong!

                    If you want to help, call John Boehner's office and tell him not to accept any compromise! Then we go over the fake fiscal cliff -- nothing much happens in January, and we come back with a new more liberal Congress.

                    •  No, it doesn't have to be solved, but... (0+ / 0-)

                      it's smart to put something on the table, unless you know what you want to do is going to piss off the electorate.

                      If the President has been honest with us, however, I can't see that being the case.  I think most Americans are ok with bumping up taxes on earnings over $250K.

                      If he's been telling us one thing while planning to do another, well... that would be a different story.

                      The problem with waiting is that taxes WILL go up on everybody, especially families with children.

                      That is especially the case when you consider that large employers can't turn on a dime with regard to their payroll systems.

                      At that point, if there is nothing on the table, Democrats will be the people who didn't think the ensuing pain was important enough to be worth bothering with.

                      Maybe it doesn't matter.  If the economy picks up in a convincing way, people will forget a nasty month or so.  
                      If it keeps up the way it has been, the Republicans may get another great opportunity -- and maybe find a way not to blow it.

                      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                      by dinotrac on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 06:21:12 PM PST

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                    •  You are wrong. (0+ / 0-)
                      There is NO "cliff" in January! NOTHING happens except that taxes will go up -- WHEN people have to file -- i.e. April 15, 2013!
                      Beyond the sequestration (thoughtless and hamhanded across-the-board cuts to the federal budget), there are other programs and tax changes that will be affect middle and lower middle classes negatively and make the lives of the poor even more miserable:

                      *  the unemployment compensation extension will end
                      *  the Alternative Minimum Tax will not be indexed to inflation
                      *  the Medicare "doc fix" will not be addressed
                      *  the payroll tax cut will expire
                      *  several bills that have been languishing in committee, most notably the agriculture bill (which sets farm subsidy payment schedules and funding for the SNAP [food stamps] program) will not be enacted.  If terms of this bill are not settled and the bill passed by the end of the year, congress will, by law, have to junk the current bill and start all over with the new congress to fashion a new one.

                      All of this is bad, and there is no guarantee that any of these cuts can be fixed by the new congress, especially since Republicans will still control the House and the problems will have to be addressed one at a time after Jan. 1st.  And at that time, if the Democrats haven't at least put a reasonable plan on the table  to fix the problems, they will be seen as the recalcitrant party (Republicans will make sure of that by claiming Obama "can't lead"), and the public will not be forgiving.

                      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

                      by SueDe on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 04:36:59 AM PST

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        •  Cugel... I think you have it wrong! (3+ / 0-)

          Obama wants to win and that is why he is engaging us.  If you understand our responsibility as US citizens, our work is to be engaged!

          Obama is smart.  Obama is not my DREAM of a president, but I totally agree with what he is doing with this and not too much else. Why?  It will cause the friggin' Republicans to take notice, which they have already done post election.  It will also push the media to pay attention to something other than their juicy little stories about the issues that are totally irrelevant!  They want to publish sensational, attack stories. We need to use this opportunity to push them to act as journalists instead of entertainment reporters!

          Of course the Republicans will fight for their no damn tax campaign, but do you really think that Americans will allow the 1% billionaires not to get a tax increase?  After Sandy, do you think that they can get away with "dig baby dig" BS?  I don't. I mean, they will have to compromise when we are pushing the energy to the light for the good of the whole.  I am absolutely certain of that.

          Even the Tea Party whackos won't go for billionaire tax breaks, and hopefully they have enough sense to see climate change in their own localities.  Today is what... November 20th.  In Denver we are having 70 degree weather with complete spring-like skies! The Tea Partiers would look pretty stupid if they attempt to handle this crisis on the backs of their own members and the middle class. After all, they are the middle class economically, aren't they? Well, of course the Koch Brothers, their founders, don't want to pay taxes.  See their faces every time you do something to engage and back Obama.

          Any Republican with a brain knows that they can only win future election if they engage the Hispanic community and the women of this country.  They cannot do they if they don't change.  They ARE changing now in what is probably the biggest crisis EVER in the Republican Party.  They know it, but they have no leaders, and they turned Mitt off... so now what?

          With pressure from us, they will have to negotiate with Obama and they will be pushed to do that ONLY if we are pushing from behind.  

          •  That Ain't the Object Of The Negotiations! (1+ / 0-)
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            Remember LAST year's "Grand Bargain" negotiations? The details of what Obama was offering were revealed when Bob Woodyard got a copy of the Secret Final Offer to John Boehner:

            Regarding the document, Woodward said, “But what it shows is a willingness to cut all kinds of things,like TRICARE, which is the sacred health insurance program for the military, for military retirees; to cut Social Security; to cut Medicare. And there are some lines in there about, ‘We want to get tax rates down, not only for individuals, but for businesses.’ So Obama and the White House were willing to go quite far.”

            In fact, the document, dated July 19, 2011, spells out an unprecedented assault on social welfare programs and a pro-corporate revamping of the tax system that would have been politically unthinkable for Republican presidents from Reagan to George W. Bush.

            On Medicare, the document proposed reducing spending by “at least $250 billion” from 2012 to 2021 and “at least $800 billion” from 2022 to 2031. This would be achieved, in part, by “alteration of the eligibility age for Medicare” and “adjustments to premiums collected for services and benefits currently covered under Part B and Part D.” In other words, the eligibility age for Medicare health coverage would be raised and premiums for a range of hospital and clinical services as well as for drugs would be hiked.

            On Social Security, the document proposed changing the formula for the consumer price index (CPI) as applied to cost-of-living increases in benefits so as to slash outlays by $112 billion over 10 years. The new CPI would also apply to veterans' disability payments, cutting $24 billion.

            The proposal further stipulated: “Reduce the 75-year estimated shortfall of the Social Security program by 0.7 percent… as a percentage of taxable payroll, with a balanced package of tax and benefit changes.” In plain English: increase payroll taxes and decrease benefits.

            In addition to these sweeping cuts in the two most basic entitlement programs, the document spelled out a list of additional reductions, including:

            * Civilian retirement, i.e., retirement benefits for civilian federal workers: $33 billion

            * Military retirement: $11 billion

            * TRICARE drug copayments/TRICARE for Life: $16 billion

            * Postal reform: $16 billion

            * Pension Benefit Guarantee Corporation: $9 billion

            * Flood insurance: $4 billion

            * Agriculture subsidies/conservation programs: $33 billion

            * Nutrition assistance: $2 billion

            * Higher education: $10 billion.

            In fact Obama just last week said we don't need Medicare eligibility at 65 because we're getting Obama care, so everybody will have medical coverage.

            Right wing DREAM: Privatize and roll back Medicare in exchange for private insurance that costs MORE.

            Woodyard is right. NO Republican President could possibly get away with this scam.

            •  Good try, Cugel. Apparently you and I must be the (0+ / 0-)

              only folks here who've bothered to read Woodward's "leak."

              From what I see, you're probably wasting your breath.  But kudos for trying.

              In case anyone wants to stop cheerleading long enough to read Bowles-Simpson's The Moment of Truth, which President Obama has endorsed repeatedly, here's the link.

    •  Absolutely; it's the only way (5+ / 0-)

      Absolutely; it's the only way. I recall Ed Markey of MA saying that Congress is sensitive ONLY to public pressure...

    •  Help Obama! Call your Congressman & Call your (5+ / 0-)

      US Senator.

      To find your Congressman just click below and put your Zip Code in. If you put 5 numbers in you may get more than 1 name. If you put all 9 numbers in you will get your Congressman with a map. Just remember, your Congressman/Congresswoman may change after the January 21, 2013 Inauguration.

      Find Your Congressman
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      To find your US Senators just click below and find you State in alphabetical order and call both US Senators. Remember that one of your US Senators may change after the January 21, 2013 Inauguration.

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      And then Call, Write, Email and/or tell your Congressman and both US Senators personally that you want the rich to pay higher income taxes and you want a tax cut right away ONLY for those making less than $250,000.00.

      Also tell them if they don't support the tax cut for those under $250,000.00 and the US goes over the financial cliff you will blame them personally and that you will work to make sure they are defeated in their next election.

      •  & tell them ALL cuts to SS, Medicare/caid are 'OFF (4+ / 0-)

        off the table' and not to lower corporate taxes.

        Plus there is NO fiscal cliff that's a phrase used by the corporate sponsors of Congress to give sense of urgency so things can get done in a hurry before they get scrutinized.  In other words it's the Shock Doctrine method.

        without the ants the rainforest dies

        by aliasalias on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:45:35 AM PST

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      •  My new senator, who took the place of (0+ / 0-)

        Kay Bailey Hutchison (who at least flirted with sanity) is Ted Cruz, the teabaggers' new hero, so there is no way he will vote for Obama's idea about anything - he'll be an obstructionist on everything (and those voters who put him in office will be thrilled).

        But my newly-elected representative is a Democrat.  Unfortunately the Republican holding the seat now is the one making the decision before the new congress is seated.

        "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

        by SueDe on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 12:19:53 PM PST

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      •  This is COMPLETELY WRONG! (1+ / 0-)
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        We MUST go "over the fiscal cliff!" The dreaded Fiscal Cliff is a right-wing FRAUD!

        NOTHING happens on January 1! The cuts are phased in, the tax hikes can be retroactively eliminated for the bottom 98%.

        The "Fiscal Cliff" is a total and complete SHAM designed by the right-wing to put maximum pressure on Progressives and Congress to surrender cuts to every social program that is backing up the middle class.

        And WORST -- it does this by SURRENDERING the entire leverage Obama and the Democrats will gain in January.

        It fills me with despair that even on a site like this where there are LOTS of educated people who are aware of what's going on generally, there's so much blindness over this!

        DEMOCRATIC LEVERAGE GOES UP IN JANUARY ONLY IF THERE'S NO GRAND BARGAIN!

        Republican's only hope is to ram some Grand Bargain through in the lame duck session.

        And the fact that Obama is helping them is the worst part of all. He should flat refuse to budge one inch and come back in January with a new and more liberal Congress with 2 new more Liberal Senators and 8 more liberal Congressmen.

        THEN he'd have the whip hand.

  •  I got an email from the campaign yesterday (25+ / 0-)

    linking to a long survey about what I had done during the campaign and what it would take to keep me engaged going forward. I hope there will be good follow-up.

      •  Got the same one...filled it out in some detail. (6+ / 0-)

        hope they are not going to be too dependent on that dashboard thing (it never worked for me...i signed up to do iowa canvassing, but no one ever got back to me...the rest of the time, it was always vague national info with no down-and-dirty local contacts)...we ended up driving to iowa ourselves and hooking up with gotv, so it wasn't a big deal, i just hope they either tweak the thing or don't rely on it solely for further outreach. we need to keep the gotv effort going for primaries, lobbying and for getting the vote suppressors out of office downticket.

        Change is inevitable. Change for the better is a full-time job. -- Adlai E. Stevenson (GOTV)

        by marzook on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:46:08 AM PST

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    •  My response (7+ / 0-)

      In 2007 and 2008 I put in way more time and money than I could afford to elect Obama.  In 2009 I met with some community groups to discuss the next steps, but it was clear that Obama had severed ties with the army that elected him.

      His focus was to persuade Washington to find a new way of working together.  He made incredible efforts to work with Republicans, in spite of their insults and in spite of their clarity that they had absolutely NO interest in working with him.

      This sounds like criticism and it is not meant as such.  Obama said over and over again in the campaign that he was going to Washington to change the ways of Washington and that he was going to seek to heal the toxic pit where we make our laws.  If someone didn't think this would be his focus, they were not paying attention during the campaign.

      I did very little in 2012, but now Obama sounds like he wants to maintain and perhaps strengthen the ties with the army.  It seems like the toxic pit is not going to clean itself and that a few drops of magic Obama elixir will not fix things.

      The toxic pit is going to have to be cleaned out with a high pressure water hose.  If Obama wants to take this approach--and it may be a little messy--I'm in.  This is what I wanted in 2009, but I don't hold it against him for trying to do it without us.  I'm happy to help even if it's a little late (but not too late).

  •  Good, Bowles and Wall Street cronies (18+ / 0-)

    are spending millions; pushing their catfood propaganda while hiding their true corporate motives.

    Too many representatives and senators are under the money spell of Wall Street.

    That said, we beat Karl and his millions and we can beat Bowles, too.

    "Lets show the rascals what Citizens United really means."

    by smiley7 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 09:27:23 AM PST

  •  Good,thanks (7+ / 0-)

    The radical Republican party is the party of oppression, fear, loathing and above all more money and power for the people who robbed us.

    by a2nite on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 09:32:58 AM PST

  •  Given the amazing campaign in 2008, I was (22+ / 0-)

    shocked that they seemed so inept at mobilizing support for their legislative agenda.  We still have to fight the president's quest for a Grand Bargain.  "Don't listen to The Villagers, Mr. President!!"

    Rmoney & The Republicans - We've should've killed GM, not bin Laden.

    by filby on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 09:41:03 AM PST

    •  Maybe they thought after being trained as (24+ / 0-)

      community organizers, after working on the campaign, after understanding this was going to be very hard work and take all of us, maybe just maybe we would step up on our own. Didn't happen. We need to be applying pressure to Congress now and not let up. President knows what he needs to do and he needs us to have his back.

      The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

      by cherie clark on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:17:29 AM PST

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      •  ^^^^ THIS ^^^^ /nt (9+ / 0-)

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        by jan4insight on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:18:58 AM PST

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      •  Then they didn't do a (3+ / 0-)

        very good job of organizing their community, did they? The "all of us" did our part--by voting for Dems in '08--but the Dems did not do theirs convincingly enough to keep that coalition voting in '10. This is a sign that they recognize their error from back then.

        "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

        by bryduck on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:47:01 AM PST

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        •  I only know from my own experience with OFA (8+ / 0-)

          the problems on this site with bashing OFA and the President. I think more than anything it is because people really believed their vote was the end of their responsibility. So many people didn't hear the hard work part, or the all of us working together part. This time people have started waking up to the undeniable fact democracy takes involvement to work.

          The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

          by cherie clark on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:55:03 AM PST

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          •  Expecting more than that from people (1+ / 0-)
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            working full-time jobs+ is unrealistic. Sure, some are able to volunteer, but nowhere near enough to do this job. Blaming the rest of us for being lazy (which is what your language appears to do) is wrongheaded and tone deaf, to put it mildly. If Dem leaders will only work on our behalf--their jobs, in other words--if they see extraordinary efforts from those who aren't being paid, then they are the ones being lazy.

            "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

            by bryduck on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:03:33 AM PST

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            •  I just recently retired and I made time to be (0+ / 0-)

              active. It doesn't take much time to send an email or send a fax. It takes even less time to not pile on the President when things don't go exactly as you want. It is our country, we are the ones with the vested interest not just the leaders of the Dem party. We get the government we are willing to work for. When I think of all the energy that was wasted right here bitching and moaning and bashing that should have been channeled productively I could just cry. And BTW, we are paid in so much as we get the benefits of the government we fight for.

              The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

              by cherie clark on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:54:21 AM PST

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              •  Let's see: (0+ / 0-)

                am I supposed to take time away from my job, my commute, or my 3 year old son to "be active"? That you were able to do it is great, and I thank you. Assuming we all are similarly able and concluding that if we aren't we deserve to lose our rights and our basic democracy? Condescending and/or just plain ignorant.
                And if you think "things" came anywhere close to what I want, let alone "exactly", you don't have a clue what I want for us all.

                "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

                by bryduck on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 02:20:01 PM PST

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                •  Like I said an email takes virtually no time (0+ / 0-)

                  Time to be on KOS and reply to me so it isn't a matter of time it is a matter of priories.

                  The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

                  by cherie clark on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 03:51:24 PM PST

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                  •  That's assuming two things: (0+ / 0-)

                    1) I didn't send emails (I did, and I bet nearly everyone you are bitching about did, too.)
                    2) Emails are useful, and I doubt that they are. It's just as easy to delete emails as send them, and far easier than writing them. It's better than nothing, I would imagine, but little more than that, especially if they are form emails, which is what you are talking about.

                    "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

                    by bryduck on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 07:56:18 AM PST

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          •  Only (2+ / 0-)
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            I think more than anything it is because people really believed their vote was the end of their responsibility.
            Only OFA believed that.

            It's been a hundred years, isn't it time we stopped blaming Captain Smith for sinking the Titanic?

            by happymisanthropy on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 12:03:30 PM PST

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            •  I see the OFA bashing hasn't stopped (0+ / 0-)

              This country belongs to US, you and me, it is OUR responsibility

              The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

              by cherie clark on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 12:23:03 PM PST

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              •  I tried to fill out OFA's survey (1+ / 0-)
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                they wouldn't let me answer without giving them my birth date.  Fuck 'em.

                It's been a hundred years, isn't it time we stopped blaming Captain Smith for sinking the Titanic?

                by happymisanthropy on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 12:28:17 PM PST

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                •  Gosh, that is terrible! How could they? Suppose (0+ / 0-)

                  the demographics are useful to them? So you cut off your nose to spite your face? Whatever

                  The work goes on, the cause endures, the hope still lives and the dreams shall never die. ~ Edward M. (Ted) Kennedy

                  by cherie clark on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 12:40:49 PM PST

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                  •  what makes them think (0+ / 0-)

                    they're entitled to useful demographic information?  This bullshit is just like fucking Tom Harkin sending around an impeachment petition just to build his mailing list.  

                    If they want demographic information they can ask for my approximate age, not my precise date of birth.  

                    If they want my support, they can ask for it.  As long as they're phishing for personal data under the fig leaf of giving a shit what I think, they can pound sand up their asses.

                    So you cut off your nose to spite your face?
                    Because everything is a binary decision to you.  I knocked on doors for them before the election, but if I'm criticizing their nest-feathering and duplicity I immediately become the enemy.

                    Cut off my nose?  Seriously?  I made the decision that Obama was the lesser evil, and I voted accordingly.  That's not cutting off my nose.

                    So you cut off your nose to spite your face?
                    You're such a perfect face for OFA.  
                    Do things our way, we don't give a shit what your opinions are, we'll mock your objections and call you "fucking retarded," and when things don't work out we'll blame everything on your obstinance and stupidity.

                    It's been a hundred years, isn't it time we stopped blaming Captain Smith for sinking the Titanic?

                    by happymisanthropy on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 01:29:47 PM PST

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    •  Like anybody else has been better! (2+ / 0-)
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      Come on! Who in the last 50 years has actually tried to mobilize public support for a legislative agenda?

      Not voting is NOT an option this time around.

      by AreDeutz on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:19:41 AM PST

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    •  I know a good number of Obama supporters (15+ / 0-)

      had the wind taken out of their sails as soon as Obama started naming his cabinet...Geithner in particular rankled and worried lots of the grassroots folks I knew.

      His lack of enthusiasm for using his position and Democratic  majorities to move for real change in policy (environmental, economic, and health care) caused many more to lose enthusiasm.

      I worked with Move On to push for a robust public option, if he would not even stand up for single payer...I know many supporters wanted to support the President, but not at the cost of not supporting the causes they truly believed in....and hoped to see take effect. I knew he was hardly a progressive when I voted for him but his lack of real forceful use of his bully pulpit really was deflating...plus all the Blue Dogs undermining so much. I know he had a difficult position but still, I also saw the energy drain from so many dedicated supporters.

      The constant call of "Bipartisanship" with the GOP seemed naive and wasted if well-intentioned energy at best. We were screaming from the grassroots that they will NEVER work with you ... it was frustrating to watch things unfold. And then the mid-term elections. :-(

      I hope that the energy we felt at the convention, with the Democrats sounding like REAL democrats....with backbones!!!!...will energize not only Obama, but those of us on the ground to move for real reform.

      AND SAVE SOCIAL SECURITY, MEDICARE AND MEDICAID.

      "one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress" -- John Adams

      by blue armadillo on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:41:22 AM PST

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    •  There is a certain thinking (0+ / 0-)

      amongst some on the left that there really was no genuine quest for a Grand Bargain, that it was mostly rhetorical to up his moderate bona fides for reelection and that now that he doesnt have to worry about that, the grand bargain talk with fade into the sunset.

  •  Progressive Agenda (15+ / 0-)

    This is wonderful news. A good community organizer doesn't negotiate behind closed doors (where opponents have more power), but uses the strength of his movement to push forward an agenda.

    And speaking of agenda: the Progressive Caucus' Budget for All provides an excellent agenda for moving ahead. The best way to get out of the recession and reduce the deficit is to get more people working and have them doing something useful (like fixing schools, fixing the national parks, and developing clean, renewal energy).

    Here is an economic analysis of the Budget for All from actual economists:

    The Budget for All: A technical report on the Congressional Progressive Caucus budget for fiscal year 2013.

    And here is another recent EPI report that provides some more direction in the current situation:

    Navigating the Fiscal Obstacle Course: Supporting job creation with savings from ending the upper-income Bush-era tax cuts

  •  I remember when OFA first had (14+ / 0-)

    the public option in their messages to Congress, and then dropped that from their messages to Congress. It'll be interesting to see the kind of messaging that goes on here, but I doubt that it will take SS and Medicare off the table. It might say something like "reform and save" our 'entitlement programs.'

    •  And We Know How They Reform Insufficient (7+ / 0-)

      programs.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 09:56:01 AM PST

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    •  Reminds Me, He Lost Every Age over 39 This Yr. (3+ / 0-)

      so a "reform" message about those entitlements may well fly with his youth activist base.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 09:57:13 AM PST

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      •  The younger voters selling out boomers? (3+ / 0-)

        Because they think they'll earn tons of money in their 401Ks for when they retire, right?

        It could happen, but the WH and GOP need to look to AARP to see how difficult it is to rip off the over 60 crowd.

        It certainly won't be popular with all the middle age and older women who were so crucial to Obama's victory.

        Of course Obama doesn't have to worry about getting re-elected,  so that could cause problems.  

        Please stand by. I'm looking for a new sig line.

        by Betty Pinson on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:52:06 AM PST

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        •  I don't think that's what he meant. (1+ / 0-)
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          And I don't think that younger Obama voters are willing to "sell out" boomers.  I think that they are well aware of just who is going to be personally shouldering the burden of caring for ,and paying for their elders if they allow SSand Medicare/Medicaid to be grand bargained away.

    •  Yes...lots of people I know (12+ / 0-)

      fell away from OFA when it looked like OFA would support whatever the President said, even if it was at odds with the Change the "boots on the ground" believed they had voted for.

      I was one...moved over to Move On to push from the outside for change. It seemed to make more sense.

      I will be interested to see what happens and how the messaging is built.

      But if Obama and the Democrats allow the GOP to cut the social programs, we'll have very depressed, and demoralized folks on our hands. This is, as Kennedy said of health care reform, perhaps the fight of our lives.

      We can't settle for "watered down" reform. It has to be real and it has to protect those that need protection...and the super wealthy that have looted the common "treasury", the wealth of our nation, need to pay up.

      "one useless man is a shame, two is a law firm, and three or more is a congress" -- John Adams

      by blue armadillo on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:47:08 AM PST

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    •  We'll have to watch carefully (9+ / 0-)

      Watch policy positions on a daily basis.

      Demand details.

      We only get one shot at this. If they give away too much on SS and Medicare, it will put millions of seniors into poverty for the next decade or longer.  Once broken, its hard to fix, especially as long as big money controls elections.

      Please stand by. I'm looking for a new sig line.

      by Betty Pinson on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:48:08 AM PST

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    •  Why not push a for Public Option on table now? (5+ / 0-)

      I mean really?

      Instead of recriminating whoever for the billionth time, why not take advantage of this opportunity to steer deficit reduction with further reform of health care?

      We can do this and don't need permission of anyone in D.C. in order to do it effectively.

      "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

      by sebastianguy99 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:51:13 AM PST

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      •  Makes sense (7+ / 0-)

        IMHO, it will be inevitable, they won't have a choice.  If so many companies refuse to provide coverage for employees, as they're claiming, that means more and more people will be funneled into exchanges.  State's won't be able to handle coverage for that many people, many are already leaving it to the feds to manage their exchanges.

        A large number of working, middle class Americans are going to end up in the national/federal exchange program, probably more than anticipated.  The most cost effective solution will be a public option or Medicare buy in.

        Please stand by. I'm looking for a new sig line.

        by Betty Pinson on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:59:42 AM PST

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      •  Use the CEO and Republican Gov. dissatisfaction (0+ / 0-)

        with ObamaCare as a justification to go Single Payer -- at least offer the Public Option, through the federal government. Just say:

        "Look, businesses are struggling to provide healthcare, state government's are balking at providing healthcare, people are having trouble getting healthcare, let's just cut all the middle men out, reduce costs and deliver this critical, basic right to our citizens."

        Then dare the Republicans to object. When they do, a hundred thousand of us or more should go to D.C. -- and stay.

        The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries.

        by Words In Action on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 01:03:02 PM PST

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  •  get disabled birds in a row (5+ / 0-)

    yksitoista ulotteinen presidentin shakki. / tappaa kaikki natsit "Nous sommes un groupuscule" (-9.50; -7.03) 政治委员, 政委‽ Warning - some snark above ‽

    by annieli on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:12:33 AM PST

  •  This guy is awesome. nt (1+ / 0-)
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  •  you can skip my state (3+ / 0-)
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    they have gone crazy down here.  

    well more crazy than usual.

    -You want to change the system, run for office.

    by Deep Texan on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:32:53 AM PST

    •  No more skipping Texas. It is key to our future. (6+ / 0-)

      Everyone is not crazy in Texas as you know. We need a massive and sustained effort to register people and GOTV throughout the state.

      Republicans in Texas are living on borrowed time.

      Btw, I'm glad Perry left it to HHS to run our exchange. I still believe health care reform, once implemented, will become a wedge issue that works in our favor. People aren't going to want to give it up or not receive what others are benefiting from in other states.
       

      "There is nothing more dreadful than the habit of doubt. Doubt separates people. It is a poison that disintegrates friendships and breaks up pleasant relations. It is a thorn that irritates and hurts; it is a sword that kills.".. Buddha

      by sebastianguy99 on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:57:42 AM PST

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  •  Let's Go Big O! (7+ / 0-)

    Look, sir, winning elections are great. Cool even. Really cool. Makes everybody all happy and giddy.

    But...

    Getting stuff done. Making lives better, for all of us. That is what is important. And harder.

    Great that you had all these smart people, great technology, and lots of people volunteering their time to get you elected. But it wasn't for you. It was for us, for our kids, for our families, for our friends and neighbors. For our collective future.

    Nothing personal, sir.  It wasn't for you. But we need you to lead us out of this crap we're in. And, if you gotta break a few legs eggs to make the omelette, well crack  away.

    Time to kick ass, sir. No bullshit. No compromise.

    Fighting Bob isn't walking through that door. It's time for Fighting Barack!

    A society is judged by how well it cares for those in the dawn of life, the children. By how well it cares for those in the twilight of life, the elderly. And, by how well it cares for those on the edge of life; the poor, the sick, and the disabled.

    by BobBlueMass on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:36:09 AM PST

  •  Doesn't this present the Scott Walker problem? (0+ / 0-)

    Maybe I'm missing something here. Scott Walker is in trouble (we hope!) for blurring the line between his official position as Milwaukee County executive and his campaign -- using his county staff to help his campaign.

    Obama is sort of working in the opposite direction, using the campaign's assets and people to help him govern. But it's the same blurring of that line. If a Republican did it, I'd be highly skeptical.

    Am I missing something? can Adam B. or someone who's expert on campaign finance stuff fill me in?

    •  I don't believe there is a restriction (2+ / 0-)
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      going in this direction, especially since these are volunteers, or at least not government employees per se.

      "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

      by bryduck on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:52:06 AM PST

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    •  No. (7+ / 0-)

      Walker blurred the use of public (government) resources, which come from tax dollars.

      These are Obama campaign resources, which come from private donations.

      Tax dollars and private donations have different rules.

      "What could BPossibly go wrong??" -RLMiller "God is just pretend." - eru

      by nosleep4u on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:56:00 AM PST

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    •  Are you saying it's inappropriate for the... (3+ / 0-)

      President to ask private citizens for help in governing the nation?  If so,  you are so far off the mark as to not even be wrong.  Walker used the services of people being paid by taxpayers for his own benefit.  The President is asking people, paid by no one for this service, for their support.  This is the essence of Democracy for crying out loud!

      You have the right to remain silent. If you waive that right you will be accused of class warfare.

      by spritegeezer on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:59:14 AM PST

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      •  My concern is over use of the campaign resources (0+ / 0-)

        The article says it isn't just "the President appealing to private citizens," which of course he can do -- and should do. It's using the campaign's database and complex software such as Dashboard, and probably some of the people who run it.

        Obviously it does make a difference which direction the borrowing is going. I was just curious whether any of the campaign-finance experts (of which there are a number here) had any comments about it. (This may be my used-to-be-a-lawyer abundance-of-caution habits kicking in, in which case I apologize.)

        I prefer to do my lobbying via other progressive organizations, not OFA. But I don't have any philosophical objection to OFA playing this role, as long as it's not crossing any legal/ethical/financial boundaries.

  •  Repubs Have No Idea What's Headed Their Way (4+ / 0-)

    There's a freight train barreling down the tracks towards the midterms with a big O on it's side.

    Obama, unencumbered by re-election concerns, with an operation like OFA running on all cylinders and in constant campaign mode for his AGENDA for the next 4 years will be a thing of beauty. Mark my words.

    This post is dedicated to myself, without whom, I'd be somebody else. Though I'd still be an asshole. My Music: [http://www.myspace.com/beetwasher]

    by Beetwasher on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:38:31 AM PST

  •  Pressure tactics don't work. (0+ / 0-)

    ...in return for our help..." Can it. That kind of bull is what cost us the House. No more threats from the left.

  •  FINALLY!!! (4+ / 0-)

    I thought I was getting this with Obama version 2008. Instead we got the exact opposite. Obama produced an outline, then said "Congress it is up to you".

    I don't mind compromise after a hard fight, but what really demoralized me was the belief that ideas I, and many Obama backers, supported were never on the table.

  •  FDR did this from day one (9+ / 0-)

    Why has it taken so long?

    Americans love to hate Congress. Name names Mr. Obama and we will drown them in letters and calls.

    "Work for something because it is good, not just because it stands a chance to succeed." -- Vaclav Havel

    by greendem on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:42:57 AM PST

  •  Taking Medicare, Medicaid and SS completely off (0+ / 0-)

    the table is not realistic.  The House is still in Republican hands and Senate Republicans can filibuster.  There will need to be some concessions on those.  

    Yeah, I don't like it but that's reality.

  •  This, this is how it should be! (4+ / 0-)

    If you took the greed out of Wall Street all you’d have left is pavement ~Robert Reich

    by k8dd8d on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:49:24 AM PST

  •  Great news! (1+ / 0-)
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    Now I'd like him use these barnstorming sessions to speak up about the Medicare "reforms" that he seems to be dancing around.

  •  Tip & Rec for "_benefits_ cuts" (7+ / 0-)

    Many liberals are digging in their heels against any and all cuts to the MC / MA budgets. Cuts to Medicare / Medicaid are inevitable, but more importantly they are to be desired. We need to discern between cuts which save money and cuts which reduce coverage.

    I don't think there are many people here who oppose cutting MC expenditures by allowing MC to negotiate for pharmaceutical prices. That cuts MC but it does not cut MC benefits.

    It is a good idea is for us to always refer to "benefit cuts" rather than simple "cuts". No because doing so is anal or politically correct, but because it help reduce mis-communication among ourselves, which cuts down pie wars.

  •  So now he wants to use the "professional left" (5+ / 0-)

    Has anyone else noticed how much less the Democratic base is being insulted since Rahm left the administration?

    I'm no philosopher, I am no poet, I'm just trying to help you out - Gomez (from the song Hamoa Beach)

    by jhecht on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:52:08 AM PST

  •  As long as he's pretending to listen to us.... (5+ / 0-)

    ...may as well talk about Climate change, Unlawful Detention, Extrajudicial Killings, Green Jobs, Medical Pot raids, Wall Street Reform, and Secret Drone Wars.

  •  Time to (5+ / 0-)

    drive the narrative in the media.  Time to boast about accomplishments past and present and future.

    Tell the American people that the economy is getting better.

    Tell the American people that home sales are rising.

    Tell the American people good news.

    Speak UP!

    Medicine is not health care; Food is health care; Medicine is sick care. Grow foods, not lawns.

    by jackandjill on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:58:49 AM PST

  •  Engage Grassroots in Support of What? (9+ / 0-)

    Kind of hard to get them engaged when you won't tell them what the deal is they are supposed to be working on.  OFA should've learned that from the ACA debacle.  People won't volunteer time on something unless they know what that something is.

    And they most certainly won't get out there if they're being asked to support cutting Medicare benefits.

    This aggression will not stand, man.

    by kaleidescope on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:59:35 AM PST

    •  see above (1+ / 0-)
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      "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

      by jakewaters on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:09:47 AM PST

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      •  WTF? (3+ / 0-)
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        Messina doesn't specify what they'll be engaging the grassroots about.  McJoan says it would be nice if they were engaged to force Social Security and Medicare cuts off the table.

        Messina says nothing of the sort.  Which makes sense, since he was the genius in charge of getting Obamacare passed, wherein they never told anyone what it was they wanted other than "a bill that passes."

        People won't get out and work for something like that.  They didn't then and they won't now.

        Why is it so hard for Messina to say, "Take Medicare off the table"?

        This aggression will not stand, man.

        by kaleidescope on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 12:38:29 PM PST

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        •  Agree, Neither Medicare medicaid or SS are today's (0+ / 0-)

          problems.  If we focus on progressive solutions to the immediate problems-
          restoring a progressive Income tax system,
          legalizing immigrants who will pay into the system to preserve and extend the safety net,
          tossing off dependence on RE taxes and  teh stoopid trickledown funding for public schools and local police and fire depts and uniting communities in support of these entities
          mebbe somewhere allong the lines these things will synergize with the economic upturn and the chicken little mentality that continually screams  'the Socialist sky is falling' may  no longer be the first thing progressive public servants need to deal with.

          Just my thoughts.

          Mindless minions like Messina need to clue up otherwise I fear he will be the second coming of Rahm who lost the lead on the narrative early i the first term.

          "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

          by jakewaters on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 08:09:35 AM PST

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    •  Exactly. And thats what they got during (3+ / 0-)

      the debates...

      Move Single Payer Forward? Join 18,000 Doctors of PNHP and 185,000 member National Nurses United

      by divineorder on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:34:41 AM PST

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  •  Better late than never... (3+ / 0-)

    ... If he would have done this four years ago, Congress would look a lot different today.  The reason the Dems took such a beating in 2010 is because in 2009-10, President Obama did exactly the opposite of this.  

    Given that, I agree with the agenda outlined here, but not the implied tactics.  There is no way I am going to make my efforts to end the Bush Tax Cuts conditional on my entire wish list.  The tax cuts need to end - regardless of the other arguments.  

    "I’m not familiar precisely with exactly what I said, but I stand by what I said, whatever it was." - Mitt Romney

    by Deighved H Stern MD on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 10:59:50 AM PST

  •  Seems to me that Bernie Sanders (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    ..recommended this exact course of action a week or so ago.

    Who knows? Maybe this is a sign of good things to come.

    Maybe one day the Fourth Estate will take their jobs seriously. Or not..

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:02:46 AM PST

  •  What will cause the grassroots to catch ablaze? (1+ / 0-)
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    How about some policy proposals that show just how a redistribution of tax revenue from the 2% can directly support things close to home instead of offering just some more vague economobabble?  

    Put those taxes to a progressive purpose: how about a 'Hometowns and Schools first proposal?

    Show how good governing can help the small governments, how a federal tax pass through could make the dollars that support public educations and local police and fire companies the first tax dollars that the 99% pay.  

    How does this happen? a 2% tax across the board but with a dollar for dollar tax deduction off federal taxes owed for up to 2% of new earned income tax (1% to local govt, 1% to the local school district) for everyone who makes under $250K per year.  Its a net plus for public schools and gov'ts and even the fed comes out ahead.  

    Thats $ for jobs building or upgrading schools, $ for teaching jobs for new grads across the country, jobs for veterans with police departments large and small.  

    Perhaps programs that mandate trickle down to affluent school districts and townships can get cut to balance the Federal spending side of the  equatio could make enough moderate R's happy to bring it off.

    Worth a try?

    "I'll press your flesh, you dimwitted sumbitch! " -Pappy O'Daniel

    by jakewaters on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:08:00 AM PST

  •  FINALLY!!!!! (1+ / 0-)
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    FINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLYFINALLY.

    finally.

    Use us, Mr. President.  That's what we're HERE for.


    "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous..........got me?" - Don Van Vliet

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:14:10 AM PST

  •  He tried this in 09 too. (3+ / 0-)

    I hope activists respond better this time. I remember that those who did participate in OFA activities were regarded with a lot of skeptical cynicism from the left netroots. Maybe a more mature netroots will see that Obama needs our help pushing Congress, rather than blaming Obama for every setback orchestrated by Congress.

    http://www.thereisaway.us/

    by Willinois on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:15:11 AM PST

  •  Question for Kossacks = (2+ / 0-)
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    What are we going to do to help make activism easier and faster?

    Can we have an ACTION link at the top of the Daily Kos Home Page that actually links to the current action item....complete with suggested talking points along with the contact information.....as well as the 'due date' and 'expiration date'?  Please!

    I wouldn't want the process impeded by getting drowned in the gushing firehose here or by having to wade through long essays to invent ones own talking points.

  •  Card carrying member of AARP here (3+ / 0-)

    and oh so ready to fight. I just do NOT trust Boner and McConnell, esp. Mitch. I hope the President stands up to them both. He got political capital from this election and needs to use it.

  •  This is good news. I hope our President does not (4+ / 0-)

    agree to any reductions to any  of the unnecessary cuts to Social Security or Medicare that were in the leaked reports of last years grand bargain, specifically the chained CPI adjustment and increase in the Medicare qualification age.

    These would greatly damage the Democratic Party unity we've worked so hard to rebuilt.  

    The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

    by HoundDog on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:20:12 AM PST

  •  Excellent news, Smithers. I knew it would take at (2+ / 0-)
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    least one more presidential loss (2016) for the Grand Old Party of Honest Abe to either self destruct or come back to a semblance of sanity.

    "A young man who wishes to remain a sound Atheist cannot be too careful of his reading. There are traps everywhere ". C. S. Lewis

    by TofG on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:21:39 AM PST

  •  Long overdue - we'll see how well it's executed (0+ / 0-)

    Bush was very good at this. He never shied away from a fight and it's something Obama failed at miserably. Better late than never, I guess.

  •  Pressuring Congress???!?? (0+ / 0-)

    I thought that was fucking retarded.

    It's been a hundred years, isn't it time we stopped blaming Captain Smith for sinking the Titanic?

    by happymisanthropy on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:49:30 AM PST

  •  is this the begining of the mid-term elections? (2+ / 0-)
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    i mean, we need to change congress before congress can change (from useless to active)..
    i doubt the repubican (tea-party driven) house will do anything regardless of what obama and his supporters do.
    will the focus be on electing responsible representatives, both local and national?
    i hope so.
    should be a good boost for all of us to see Obama making the case, long form and in many states and regions.

    note to Jon Favreau: dude, give us some new stuff!

    "teabaggers say: i want my country back. well, i say: i want my country forward! ... " (bill.maher)

    by CoEcoCe on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 11:53:40 AM PST

  •  Sounds like the entire Democrat machine is still (0+ / 0-)

    in fith gear.
    Beats the hell of relaxing until the inauguration.

    Fuck Big Brother...from now on, WE'RE watching.

    by franklyn on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 12:00:50 PM PST

  •  Begich backs lifting payroll tax cap, will OFA? (5+ / 0-)

    Senator Mark Begich has introduced a bill to subject all income to the payroll tax.  At present any income above $100,100 is exempt from tax for Social Security.  Lifting the cap will not only guarantee that Social Security will be fiscally sound for the next 75 years, it also allows for benefits to be increased somewhat.  

    Instead of playing defense on Social Security, this is an opportunity go on offense.  I have no doubt it would poll very well for all but those at the top.

    The big question is, will Obama support it?  If not, will his base of supporters pressure him to do so?  We can start a groundswell of support by calling and/or emailing our Senators to become cosponsors of this bill.  If there is enough grassroots pressure, we can make Obama support this.

    •  Other organizations certainly will. (2+ / 0-)
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      I believe AARP has already called for raising the cap -- maybe not eliminating it, but raising it significantly. Some of the unions (UAW? I think so) also have proposed this. That's a good example of where OFA lobbying itself (sort of) for the compromise they've already agreed to may be a lot less effective for progressives than using unions and other progressive organizations to lobby for our wishlist, even though we know we may not get all of it.

      The philosophical discussion: Why is there FICA & Medicare tax on earned income, but not on "unearned" interest, dividends, and capital gains, rents, and pensions?

  •  Everybody seems to forget (0+ / 0-)

    that a solid majority in Congress are themselves part of the 1%. In order to raise taxes on the 1% we have to get these senators and congresscritters to vote against their own economic interests.

    Suppose you're in Congress, and you're on the fence. In the back of your mind is the knowledge that a vote to raise taxes on the rich will cost you, say, $20,000 (or more?) in real money.

    We are fortunate indeed that the one person in the country who--with his veto--can do away with the Bush tax cuts is President Obama. During the campaign he made it clear that he was aware of the fact that he was part of the rich class, yet still strongly advocated tax policy that would cost himself real money.

    I would hazard a guess that if Congress could somehow be insulated from its own tax decisions, the fight would be far easier. Obviously that's not possible.

     

    You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows. --Bob Dylan-- -7.25, -6.21

    by Tim DeLaney on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 12:14:16 PM PST

  •  Tell Obama what you think, ask how you can help (2+ / 0-)
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    I sent this email to President Obama on November 7, 2012:

    As regards the "fiscal cliff" (which is really a gentle ramp):

    I suggest that President Obama invite Rep. Boehner, Rep. Cantor and Sen. McConnell (each of them is up for re-election in 2014) to the White House and, in the presence of one or more of his own aides, inform them of the following:

    They made it a matter of public record that they intended to make him a one term president, and they LOST that effort.  More Democrats were elected to the incoming Senate and House than serve in the present Congress.
    If they fail to agree to raising tax rates on those making more than $250,000 per year, the following will take place.

    1. we will go over the "fiscal cliff."

    2. beginning January 2, 2013, the President will begin a "bully pulpit" campaign in which he will visit each of their districts (multiple times) and will tell the entire American people that the reason why the fiscal cliff was activated was that Republicans would not agree to raising tax rates on those making over $250,000 per year.

    They can push for a "their way or the highway" position, or they can compromise.  The American people want them to compromise, in case nobody noticed.

    This life-long Democrat voted for the President, Elizabeth Warren, and Joe Kennedy.

    I did not do so in the expectation that President Obama would cave in to the demands of right-wing Republicans.

    Go get them, Mr. President.  We have your back.

    "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." -- Patrick Henry November 6, 2012 MA-4 I am voting for my friends Barry, Liz and Joe (Obama, Warren and Kennedy)

    by BornDuringWWII on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 12:18:17 PM PST

  •  "this is a big f'n deal" (1+ / 0-)
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    Beyond the short term "politics" that this mobilization is intended to affect, the real issue is a glimmer of hope that President Obama (and his campaign team) are finally tapping into the enormous community of volunteers and activists brought together for his election campaigns.  This is huge.  It could and should be, the beginning of a transformative use of the community organized by Obama to win the presidency.  How many engaged citizens does O.F.A. have on tap, that can be unleashed to support progressive legislation, now that the goal of keeping the White House has been obtained.  The long term effects of implementing this data mine for more than electoral politics  COULD be  more of a "game-change" than electing Obama ever could be..   I suppose that is why we chose a community organizer to be our standard bearer........

  •  there are Dems in rich people's pockets too (0+ / 0-)

    they are working behind the scenes to screw this up.  People should not let anyone in Congress off the hook till the ultra rich pay closer to their fair share of taxes.

  •  Don't fight blindly (1+ / 0-)
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    Make sure you're not also fighting for cuts to SS and Mdicare.

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    by The Dead Man on Tue Nov 20, 2012 at 02:34:42 PM PST

  •  FTW! Let's make a difference! eom (0+ / 0-)

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