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This tells me something about the GOP base: They got nothin'.

The problem is, they don't know that. They honestly think that they have reality on their side - and that makes them worse than stupid. It makes them dangerous.

Seriously. They got nothin'. When confronted with a counter-example to their stereotype, they just laugh - because they don't know how to handle it. They have no real counter-argument beyond their stereotypes, and those stereotypes don't stand up to reality.

And yet they will continue to operate on the idea that they know the "truth" - whether that "truth" is moochers using food stamps and staying at home instead of working honestly, or women having abortions as birth control, or (for god's sake!) MIND CONTROL of the suffering GOP population by the evil Democrats. They got nothin', but they don't know it.

The thing that drives me crazy is that facts don't convince these people. They don't believe anything except what they're told by Billow, Glen Beck, Limbaugh and Fox News. I don't know how to fix this, but I do know that it's much harder to convince a person that he was tricked than to convince him to believe something ridiculous.

Reading today's Hate-Mail-A-Palooza really drove me nuts. These people have the mentality of a potted plant. Facts don't matter to them; fantasy does. They have the most ridiculous ideas - and they are stupid enough to send them to Kos as hate mail, thinking they'll be taken seriously.

Anyone have any ideas? Is there any way to reach people who cover their ears and sing LOLOLOLOL when confronted with reality? For a little while I hoped there would be. I hoped that the decisive Democratic win last month would smash holes in the GOP bubble worldview, but it doesn't seem to have done that. Instead, they've become even more entrenched in their moochers-destroying-the-country, welfare-queens-everywhere, trickle-down-economics, WalMart-is-King mentality. It's like they think they won the election or something.

People who operate on fantasy instead of reality should have had a rude awakening on November 7th. Instead, they pulled the covers even further over their heads and ignored reality. HOW IS THIS POSSIBLE?

This is mostly a rant fueled by a caffeine headache, so forgive me for its incoherence. I've just reached my limit of stupid for the week.

Update: Here's the remaining conversation - and it just demonstrates the head-in-sand-ness of the GOP base these days.

Not a response, just a dodge. They got nothin' - and they don't even realize it.
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  •  We Have to Give Some Credit to the Breadth of (12+ / 0-)

    sources giving them the same propaganda.

    It's not just Bill O'Reilly and Limbaugh, it's local radio all over the country, it's their employers, it's their peers, it's at least supported by mainstream media, and it's coming from their faith.

    Most people aren't trained and paid to solve problems with extended rational reasoning for a living. A much higher than average fraction of this community is. Significant numbers of people living ordinary lives will succumb to such an extended and coordinated presentation of fantasy.

    It's just not reasonable to expect so much of your society to be against you, lying to you. It certainly was not an expectation of our framers.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:02:18 AM PST

  •  Reaching people of this mentality.. (9+ / 0-)

    ...may, unfortunately, be impossible. Not allowing this type of doctrine to spread to the next generation may be the best course - and the internet may be the greatest weapon towards this goal (or the greatest hinderance, depending on sites visited).

    As for the currently unhinged, I'm afraid only the passing of time and the passing on of these folks is the only likely remedy.

    "The less time you have, the more you need to use it wisely." - Cpt. Avatar, Starblazers

    by DeathDlr73 on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:03:43 AM PST

  •  It will only get worse (and more amusing) (8+ / 0-)

    I've suspected that when people who are committed to one political idea find that it's losing they just get more strident (I wrote about this in April to introduce the concept of an Arrière-Garde). I haven't been to the weekly roundup of hatemail yet (I have THREE diaries working at the moment) but I'm pretty sure I'll find evidence of that.

    Thanks for this diary.  I hope it was sufficiently cathartic!

    -7.75, -8.10; All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

    by Dave in Northridge on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:11:01 AM PST

  •  Probably better simply to let them (5+ / 0-)

    bottom out on things provided they don't threaten to do irreperable harm to the country.

    I am so tired of giving a fuck about them.

  •  Be earnest and patient and talk (5+ / 0-)

    I know you can reach some of them in the same way that some students seem unreachable and then sometimes have breakthroughs. I know Republicans do change Party affiliation (Kos was a Republican, so something happened there, right?)... why is that? Why do Republicans leave their Party and move to the Left? What makes this happen? I think asking former Republicans who have become Democrats is a good start, and to specifically ask them if talking with Democrats was helpful, and to be specific about what was and was not conducive to this.

    I never write anyone off.

    "Counsel woven into the fabric of real life is wisdom" - Walter Benjamin

    by mahakali overdrive on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:30:43 AM PST

    •  I didn't know that (3+ / 0-)
      Kos was a Republican, so something happened there
      But that probably explains a lot of the right-wing vitriol. He's a traitor to their Party. They can't stand it.

      "Compassion is not weakness, and concern for the unfortunate is not socialism." - Hubert Humphrey

      by Killer of Sacred Cows on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:54:11 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yes, and also many Progressives (2+ / 0-)

        who are current commentators were previously Republicans. I think this is why some may also clash at times with more lifelong "Liberal" Democrats. I think it's probably a matter of style, at times, and then other time substance.

        Markos was young when he was a Republican compared with some others. He was in the military when he switched to Democratic, so he was barely an adult.

        Other Progressive Democratic spokespeople who used to be Republicans include: Ed Schultz (considered running on a Republican Platform in '94, and was in his mid-40's before switching Parties),  Ariana Huffington (previously married to Republican Michael Huffington, she helped GOP campaigns until 2003 although she says her views changed in her mid-40's in the late 90's -- note her advocacy there for a Third Party), and Cenk Uygyur (he was 30 before he voted Democratic in 2000, working for Republican campaigns before that -- his political views are still seemingly mixed).

        I do not like Ed Schultz, Ariana Huffington, or Cenk Uygyur, for what it's worth. I don't tend to trust their points of view or their presentation, and I have difficulty understanding those who strongly upheld the GOP, not only by votes, but by active work in these campaigns, until recently. That's just my view on these three. And I consider myself a solid Leftist (Democratic Socialist who votes Democrat; anti-Capitalist, very strongly aligned with most Progressive issues). But there you have it.

        There are probably others whom I've forgotten. I'm sure I respect some and not others. I definitely appreciate Rachel Maddow and Keith Olbermann, and sometimes I very much like Michael Moore (and other times he pisses me off). But I don't generally care for punditry, although I guess it's a necessary evil in our media-saturated world. Me? I don't have television, so it doesn't personally bother me too much.

        "Counsel woven into the fabric of real life is wisdom" - Walter Benjamin

        by mahakali overdrive on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 01:00:04 PM PST

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  •  The ability to turn a blind eye, and see only (5+ / 0-)

    what accords with their preconceptions. Remember one outrageous instance and generalize from it to all other encounters that are at all the same.  Can't admit to themselves that they have been fooled, so are defensive and hostile to anyone who disagrees with them.

    Time is a long river.

    by phonegery on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 11:36:31 AM PST

  •  Congrats, You made it to Saturday! (4+ / 0-)

    OK, seriously. You don't have to fight them. It's not your responsibility to correct all the stupid in the world. Here's one way. Give them just enough resistance to get them to detail their ideology, then show them were it leads when taken to its logical conclusion.
    Here is an example:
    Coworker: Liberals are becoming hypocrites.
    Me: Utuh...(shaking head).
    Coworker: Liberals claim to support the middle class, but they don't work enough to support themselves. They just want gifts.
    Me: But you are a real conservative?
    Coworker: Yes.
    Me: Are you still collecting that Military Pension? Have told Social Security that you won't take their money?
    That how I try to do it.

  •  Anyone have any ideas? (3+ / 0-)

    Ridicule.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 12:31:57 PM PST

  •  At least you didn't curse. CONGRAts (2+ / 0-)
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    Killer of Sacred Cows, raincrow

    (R's) take those tired memes and shove 'em, Denise Velez Oliver, 11/7/2012.

    by a2nite on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 12:54:31 PM PST

  •  If they're still covering their ears (2+ / 0-)
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    and singing lalalalala after the extraordinary month that was Nov. 2012, they may not be reachable.  

    After the 2010 midterms, I secretly thought the GOTP's decisive win would prove a pyrrhic victory, and it was.  The extreme right took it as a mandate for their agenda, and proceeded into 2012 with the attitude that they were already winning.  "The majority of Americans" were on their side.  This was repeated over and over in their echo chamber and they fervently believed it.

    Now that their worldview has been solidly refudiated by the electorate, they are grieving for "traditional America."  The first stage of grief is denial, and that's where most of them are still stuck.

    My parents are among this group.  Fox is actually a bit liberal for them, they prefer WND and CBN.  We ran into some differences of opinion in late summer (sordid details here.)  They finally started speaking to me again after the election, but still refuse to discuss anything political.

    It's impossible to reason with them because we don't value the same things.  Their worldview and mine are based on completely different visions for the same country, planet, and universe.

    Wish I had the answer, but I don't.  We're down to football, food, and cats as "safe" topics.  Hope I didn't ramble, your diary really hit home.  

     I can think of no more stirring symbol of man's humanity to man than a fire engine.     -- Kurt Vonnegut

    by SteelerGrrl on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 01:24:32 PM PST

  •  Long diary on the subject in "Community Spotlight" (1+ / 0-)
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    Killer of Sacred Cows

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

    This diary is long but definitely worth the read.

    •  The subject is authoritarianism... (1+ / 0-)
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      and there are clear explanations for what we're witnessing.

      •  EXACTLY. Authoritarian thinking is what holds the (1+ / 0-)
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        various otherwise seemingly incompatible parts of the party together:  plutocrats, evangelicals, white rural working-class, and Reagan Democrats.  They all hold to one or more ideologies that are impervious to fact because they are held by minds prone to authoritarian modes of thinking.  And, of course, as was described in a related diary recently, an integral part of authoritarianism is racism & prejudice, a relationship that has been documented empirically for at least 60 yrs, starting with the postwar work on the psychology of fascists & Nazis.  So the superficially disparate components of the Rep coalition are held together basically by two things -- by an authoritarian commitment to some form of rigid ideology and by racism, which at this point seems to be directed somewhat indiscrimately at anyone who isn't a descendant of Europeans or has a Semitic background.  

        And, no, a truly authoritarian mind cannot be convinced by facts or reasoned argument.  Authoritarian minds work in many ways like paranoid minds; and one of the first things taught to a psychologist or psychiatrist on internship is that it does absolutely no good to try to reason a paranoid out of his or her delusions, no matter how bizarre.  In fact, doing so usually only makes the paranoid hold onto the delusions more strongly & pay more attention to them, with the result that they gain greater control over day-to-day behavior.

        That doesn't mean that they shouldn't be combated but that there is a irreducible portion of any population that is going to worship crackpot & racist ideologies no matter what facts contradicting them are obvious to the sane potion of the population.  The best that can be hoped for is that they are kept bottled up and contained, which is what FDR did to Father Coughlin & Huey Long, Eisenhower did to McCarthy, and LBJ did to Goldwater & the Birchers.  But then Nixon made his Faustian bargain (aka "Southern strategy"), betraying the founding principles of his party, and with Reagan and then the ersatz cowboy ignoramus (could someone with a Yale B.A. & a Harvard MBA with that family background REALLY be that ignorant) frantically rubbing the bottle as fast as possible, the genie is not only out but grown into a monster stalking the land.  

        The only possible remedy is not to convert the hard-core crazies (25 percent of the population?) but to detach as many half-sane people from them as possible and then side-line & contain the rest as best we can.  IMO, the 2006 & 2008 elections were a great start, but then PBO made the mistake of thinking he could split the sane R's off from the crazies by adopting their own policies & comprimising with them by "negotiating with himself." He now seems to have noticed that this Chamberlain-like way of negotiating only strengthens the crazies & their hold on their otherwise possibly sane follow-travelers.  

  •  my new approach that I decided today... (1+ / 0-)
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    Always assume they are stupid, it's the only plausible explanation.....wtf

  •  Liberals are fact-based people, Conservatives... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...are fantasy-based people. And never shall the twain meet. ^^

    If, for some reason, you want to communicate with them, you have to speak in their language. If you want to talk with a Frenchman, you try to speak in French. So it is with "them."

    That means understanding their fantasy world. Think of it like discussing the real world using using "Twilight" terms ^^

    There was a dkos poster who demonstrated the "yes, and" technique for talking to conservatives. Unfortunately I can't remember the topic. Does anyone remember the post?

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