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In September I wrote a diary about sedition that sank like a stone.

Two months and one kick-ass election later, I am angrier than ever about the seditious behavior of the completely truculent GOP.

The Middle East is going up in flames, and Obama has to spend half his time fighting for an issue that was completely decided by the election, by poll after poll - raising taxes on the rich. The continued instransigence rises to the level of sedition, if not treason.

If you are as pissed as me, come below the orange @#$%& symbol.

What does Obama have on his plate, just in the Middle East:

1) The Syrian civil war is threatening to escalate to the WMD level, with the President publicly warning the Syrians of consequences if they use chemical weapons - especially against other countries.

2) The Egyptian revolution threatens to descend back into authoritarianism and/or violence because the hard-line Moslem Brotherhood has made a power grab. Obama may or may not have been counting on Egypt to broker something in Gaza. Either way, his job just became much harder.

3)  The Israelis are still muttering about attacking Iran,  circulating phony evidence to the IAEA, and generally behaving as though they have the right to attack anyone they can reach. Obama has spent months trying to keep the belligerent rightwing jerk, Netanyahu, from doing something stupid. He has even remained silent about Netanyahu's blatant side-taking in the election.

4) After once again spending US prestige in a futile attempt to prevent the UN from giving a symbolic victory to the Palestinians,  that same government has what many people have characterized as a temper tantrum and decided to build settlements in a no-go zone.

In a time of national peril like this, how can the GOP's sabotage and obstructionism be anything less than sedition? Obama is juggling hand grenades with the pins pulled, and the GOP is tying his shoelaces together. It is not funny. It is treasonous.

And despite all the play given to the Michael Grunwald column at Time magazine, the media continues to enable the GOP in its sedition.

When the Dixie Chicks sang a song that Bush didn't like they were harassed by the media as "unpatriotic" and made to pay a financial price. But the GOP is literally sabotaging Obama's diplomacy, and the media continue to play "he said/she said".

The GOP is still beating the Benghazi drum, long after that issue should have been put to rest by anyone with an ounce of honesty.

The GOP, in the disgusting person of McCain, has said they will approve NO ONE for any cabinet position if they don't get their way. To oppose the lawful transfer of power of a vital role (SoS) in time of war and international confict - how is this anything less than bloody treason?

Is it sedition yet? When are the Dems going to stop playing by Marquis of Queensbury rules and call out these GOP thugs and fanatics for the traitors that they are?

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  •  No, its not. Disagreeing with the president is not (11+ / 0-)

    sedition. Playing political games to try and discredit the president and/or his party is not sedition either. Its wrong headed and bad for the country but its not sedition. Promoting the violent overthrow of the government IS sedition. I hope this helps.

    P.S. If the opposing party playing political games with the president is sedition simply because the president has a lot on his plate, then sedition has been going on with presidents for decades if not centuries

    "I smoke. If this bothers anyone, I suggest you look around at the world in which we live and shut your fuckin' mouth." --- Bill Hicks

    by voroki on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 07:26:45 PM PST

    •  Read my earlier diary (0+ / 0-)

      Many GOPers are talking of secession, which is sedition.

      The GOP, arguably, is in the pay of foreigners via Citizens United in the person of Sheldon Edelson. This fungibility of money cuts both ways. If the Chinese government gives money to Edelson and he gives it anonymously to a PAC, how do I not know that the PAC is a foreign agent.

      The GOP is behaving like, and in bed with a pack of gangsters. Edelson is up to his eyeballs with the Russian/Israeli mob. And the GOP have no problem with it.

      The US government has run on negotiation and compromise for its entire existence - until the GOP started under Gingrich with the total war/take no prisoners attitude.

      I know you will say that destroying a mere tradition (even one at the heart of our political process) is not sedition. But I ain't buying it. The GOP have been waging a Cold Civil War since at least 1996; and its getting worse.

      I think your pettifogery on how there is some clean, clear line defining "high crimes and misdemeanors" is garbage. The bad guys are always spinning, juking, and jiving. They never give you a clean shot. And you are giving them cover with your purity trolling.

    •  co-sign (4+ / 0-)

      The author is using words well beyond what their meaning and the facts would support.

    •  The GOP behavior may not be sedition, but it's... (1+ / 0-)
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      arendt

      S ubversive
      E nsaring
      D uplicitous
      I nsidious
      T hwarting
      I niquitous
      O bdurate
      U nconscionable
      S abotage

      In other words, something awful is going on! The silver lining is that the Republican lust for power has gotten so desperate that it has become transparent. A little like the emperor's new clothes.

      (This isn't a rant against you, voroki. Peace.)

  •  Where is this any of his business? (4+ / 0-)
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    ...with the President publicly warning the Syrians of consequences if they use chemical weapons - especially against other countries.
    Obama may or may not have been counting on Egypt to broker something in Gaza. Either way, his job just became much harder.
    Obama has spent months trying to keep the belligerent rightwing jerk, Netanyahu, from doing something stupid.
    ...that same government has what many people have characterized as a temper tantrum and decided to build settlements in a no-go zone.
    Have you noticed that everything the US has touched in the past 60 years turns to shit?

    The world would be a better place if the US minded its own business and fed the one-quarter of its children who are hungry tonight.

    I agree the GOP is seditious. But, for godsake, let's distract them from exposing themselves to the rest of the world -- and focus on our own problems.

    We are not wanted.


    A child of five would understand this. Send someone to fetch a child of five. -- Groucho Marx

    by Pluto on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 07:29:33 PM PST

  •  The reluctance of this administration to press (3+ / 0-)
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    charges of sedition only encourages the rightwing to go further. Does anyone think the right will look upon those of  the "left persuasion" if we dared to cause as many problems as they already have with their recalcitrance? I believe we would be seeing people in jail and mysterious "suicides".

    These people will get worse until someone finds their big boy pants and puts a wingnut on trial.

    Send conservatives to FilthyLiberal.com for re-education.

    by filthyLiberalDOTcom on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 07:30:02 PM PST

  •  Short answer - No (5+ / 0-)

    A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

    by slatsg on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 07:35:46 PM PST

  •  Prior to the invasion of Iraq (9+ / 0-)

    there were massive protests in N.Y. City and a right-wing radio host named Michael Savage accused them of treason for blocking the streets.

    Sedition and treason both have narrow legal definitions—and rightly so.

    "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

    by sceptical observer on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:06:54 PM PST

    •  Absolutely (4+ / 0-)

      Instead of calling on the POTUS to prosecute his critics, we should be calling on him to push for the repeal of the PATRIOT Act, the MCA, FISA, and other Bush era laws which curbed our liberties.

      A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

      by slatsg on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 08:22:47 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Once again, elected officials violating their oath (0+ / 0-)

      is a completely different situation.

      I'm not talking about powerless protestors in the streets. I'm talking about elected offficials who took an oath to serve the people and defend the Constitution.

      These people are taking oaths to Norquist and sabotaging the normal flow of our governmental process of negotiation and compromise. They are destroying political capital it took centuries to build up. And they are doing it for the gain of their party and to the loss of the American people.

      Why don't you tell me what you think is sedition?

      •  This...from the link. (1+ / 0-)
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        "Whoever, when the United States is at war, shall willfully make or convey false reports or false statements with intent to interfere with the operation or success of the military or naval forces of the United States, or to promote the success of its enemies, or shall willfully make or convey false reports, or false statements or incite insubordination, disloyalty, mutiny, or refusal of duty, in the military or naval forces of the United States, or shall willfully obstruct the recruiting or enlistment service of the United States, or shall willfully utter, print, write, or publish any disloyal, profane, scurrilous, or abusive language about the form of government of the United States, or the Constitution of the United States, or the military or naval forces of the United States or shall willfully display the flag of any foreign enemy, or shall willfully urge, incite, or advocate any curtailment of production or advocate, teach, defend, or suggest the doing of any of the acts or things in this section enumerated and whoever shall by word or act support or favor the cause of any country with which the United States is at war or by word or act oppose the cause of the United States therein, shall be punished by a fine of not more than $10,000 or imprisonment for not more than twenty years, or both."

        "The human eye is a wonderful device. With a little effort, it can fail to see even the most glaring injustice." Richard K. Morgan

        by sceptical observer on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 09:04:58 PM PST

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  •  Past sedition, now TREASON (1+ / 0-)
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    arendt

    a rightly capital crime. Those congressmen and women who block common sense proposals have levied war against the american people. Simply put, treasonous acts.

  •  None of the persons in question is either (4+ / 0-)

    a leftie or a whistle-blower. In this country, that means that they cannot be seditious because they fail one of the basic requirements.

    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

    by enhydra lutris on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 09:40:50 PM PST

  •  The United States is not "in peril" over these (2+ / 0-)
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    occurrences in other countries.

  •  Technically, no. But ... (1+ / 0-)
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    arendt

    So i know it's getting cold out but when are we going to see thousands of citizens swarming the National Mall and laying siege to ("occupying") Congress? These asshats need to be brought to heel. The regular media, with some notable exceptions, has been tepid on calling them out on this shit. Make them cover it.

    Just another non-USian wondering what it's going to take.

    All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

    by subtropolis on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 01:20:06 AM PST

    •  The left has been doing this for decades (0+ / 0-)

      During one massive march on the Capital in the 60s, John Michell compared us to the Russian Revolutionaries. The Nixon administration considered us subversives.

      It's called freedom. Some folks here need to re-read the First Amendment.

      A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

      by slatsg on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 04:21:00 AM PST

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      •  Do you see any MASSIVE pro-GOP marches? (0+ / 0-)

        No. Even the TPers are a pathetic, tiny rent-a-mob.

        The fact that a tiny minority is blown up by the media and given a pass for waving guns around, while a vast majority is ignored or only covered when there is violence, says that there is active cooperation in tipping the scales on what is or is not "subversion".

        Tell me why its freedom when a right winger openly totes a gun outside an Obama event, but its arrest-time when non-violent protestors come within a mile of Bush or Cheney. The people who need to re-read the First Amendment are the GOP.

        I continue to be amazed at the people on this thread, who after twenty years of the GOP breaking the rules and undermining the government, are still appealing to the dictionary definition of a term that is so vague the founders used the still-fought-over phrase "high crimes and misdemeanors" to describe it. That phrase is so vague that we were treated to "HC&M is whatever a majority of the HoR says it is" when Clinton was impeached.

        You guys remind me of the true Marxist zealots in the Gulag who were still quoting the Manifesto to show that they were in the right, even as they were being beaten up by criminals with the approval of the guards. Wake up and smell the coffee. The GOP doesn't care about the Constitution or the people and its high time someone prosecuted them for it.

  •  The Republicans brinksmanship over the debt (3+ / 0-)
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    limit which led to the downgrade of the US credit rating sure seems like a seditious act to me.  They were warned that refusal to raise the debt limit could lead to a credit downgrade, they still persisted and the result is that for the first time in the history of this country, we had our credit rating downgraded.

    I know it is not popular here to use the term sedition, but that one act alone proves that the Republican members of Congress care more about their own party than they do the well being of this country.  They purposely sabotaged the credit rating of the United States in order to try to score cheap political points.

    "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

    by gulfgal98 on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 06:11:24 AM PST

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