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There is a Republican elephant in the living room (and the 2016 presidential race).

New Jersey Governor Chris Christie had a primetime (some say prime rib) moment Wednesday when he was interviewed by Barbara Walters for her annual "10 Most Fascinating People" show. But the interview took on an ugly tone when Walters asked Christie if he is too fat to run for President in 2016.

Christie called the suggestion that he couldn’t be president of the United States because he is overweight, "ridiculous." The boorish, headline grabbing leader added that his health hasn’t prevented him from working long hours to help his state recover from Hurricane Sandy.

"Well, I’ve done this job pretty well," he said. "I think people watched me for the last number of weeks during Hurricane Sandy doing 18-hour days and getting back up the next day and still being just as effective in the job, so I don’t think that will be a problem."
Walters started the question by saying
she was "uncomfortable" asking him about it — but it didn't stop her. At another point in the show, she asked Secretary of State Hillary Clinton about her hair. Clinton handled the question with equal aplomb and Walters dismissively added, "Nobody asks the men that."

While it may be tempting and fun to pile on Christie; a man who has a propensity to cast the first cupcake in a political food fight; some important questions arise from among the New Jersey Gyros:

Would anyone ask a woman about her weight and if it would prohibit her from running for office?

Did Walters show a double standard by asking Christie about his weight?

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Should Christie's weight be a campaign issue?

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  •  it will be a campaign issue (25+ / 0-)

    but it isn't sexism so much as fat people are frequently despised and made fun of, suffer discrimination in hiring etc.  

    If a woman as obese as Christie were to announce a run for President, people would roll their eyes and walk away, Christie has a shot at least.  That's where the sexism would come in.   But Americans do tend to vote for taller and more close to normal weight candidates, as well as men.  

    •  Good insights, thank you jfromga n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    •  Morbid Obesity (4+ / 0-)
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      Morbid obesity can be an indication of some sort of childhood abuse.  Couple that with his nasty outbursts and I'd say this is a guy who can't or won't control himself.  Too angry to be president.  He acts like he's owed something.  I don't owe him anything.

      •  yes (3+ / 0-)
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        there is a possibility, and I think his temper will disqualify him, people didn't like Mitt, Christie on his good days is better than Mitt at connecting with people, but on his bad days, he is almost cartoonish in his temper tantrums.  I don't think he can go through a year to eighteen months on the national stage without losing it big time, regardless of his weight.

      •  Oh, stop. (3+ / 0-)
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        I was morbidly obese for a time, and it had nothing to do with whether I was abused as a child. (For the record, nobody in my family abused me, and I was only abused (physically, not sexually) by a teacher once.)

        Armchair pop psychology is nauseous.

        We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

        by raptavio on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:21:30 AM PST

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        •  The poster only said "can be" (0+ / 0-)

          I think the governor's weight is an issue because it is a health issue -- both as a role model, which national leaders clearly are -- and because it can effect how he functions in office and whether he can complete his term.

          In think it's inevitable that folks will look at Christie's weight and volatility and ask themselves "what's that about?"  He'll need to be firm in facing that inevitability. If he's not, he'll own add to skepticism that he's cut out for the job.

          Don't ask me nothin' about nothin'. I just might tell ya the truth -- B. Dylan

          by ponderer on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 02:09:48 PM PST

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          •  You ever notice (0+ / 0-)

            diaries like this never get made about Raul Grijalva or Bill Richardson?

            This is bullshit. It's an excuse to rip on Christie for flimsy reasons.

            The mental health angle is extra bullshit. Just as likely that extremely good physical health stems from an obsession with fitness that had its incipience in childhood abuse.

            Please just stop. This is offensive.

            We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

            by raptavio on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 03:36:10 PM PST

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            •  Perhaps you meant to attach this to another (0+ / 0-)

              comment.  I said nothing about a connection between his obesity and his mental health.  I said he's extremely over weight and he has a volatile temperament and that it's inevitable that people will wonder how those things effect his fitness for office.

              If he were jolly and obese his weight would still be an issue  in his suitability as a role model and his ability to meat the physical demands of the office.

              But he's not jolly, he's volatile. And that temperament can effect his electability in the same way Romney's insensitivity effected his.

              Don't ask me nothin' about nothin'. I just might tell ya the truth -- B. Dylan

              by ponderer on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:32:07 PM PST

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              •  You defended (0+ / 0-)

                the connection made by the previous poster between his weight and speculation about childhood abuse.

                That is offensive.

                We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

                by raptavio on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:07:52 AM PST

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            •  Excuse to rip on Christie? (0+ / 0-)

              This exact diary could have been posted on  Breitbart.com or some other conservative site and would have been hailed as an attempt to discuss fairness for Christie.

  •  I can't think of any woman pol THAT fat. (6+ / 0-)

    I suggest that anyone running for president that is morbidly obese would be asked if it interferes with his health or work, and people would be watching to see if he showed any signs of physical weakness.  

    One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

    by Inland on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:17:15 AM PST

  •  it'd be really nice (3+ / 0-)
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    if you changed your headline - I don't think you meant what it seems to imply, because your diary doesn't read this way, but it reeks of fat-hate.

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:19:09 AM PST

  •  His weight should not be an issue, but it (10+ / 0-)

    probably will be. When Shelley Berkeley first announced for the NV senate race, there were a lot of comments here on her appearance. It's not like there have not been fat presidents before. Taft was certainly quite overweight, and that did not stop him from being president and subsequently serving on the SCOTUS. I suspect that life is a bit different now that we have the 24/7 TV news cycle.

  •  No, it shouldn't in terms of looks (9+ / 0-)

    but I suspect his doctors would want him to lose a fair amount of it before subjecting himself to the stress of a national campaign.

    The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

    by raboof on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:27:19 AM PST

  •  A few words (11+ / 0-)

    William H. Taft
    Grover Cleveland

    and if Christie were a woman, we'd be up in arms about the question.

    His health is an issue, but his weight is not.  To the extent that he is in danger healthwise because of obesity, we should be concerned.  

    He should lose weight for health reasons.  

    Not because an obese person can't be president.

    Bush wasn't fat and look how well he fucked things up.

    Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. Barack Obama

    by delphine on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:31:30 AM PST

  •  It's cruel and unfair to mock him for it (1+ / 0-)
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    just as it would be to mock him for having a cleft lip or a large birthmark. On the other hand, he could do something about his weight if he tried hard enough.

    It's worth noting.

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    by Leo in NJ on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:34:35 AM PST

    •  "could do something about his weight if he tried" (8+ / 0-)

      Not necessarily.
      As someone who has struggled with being "overweight" my entire life, gone to the extremes of starvation, obsessive exercise and drug abuse to try to control it, motivated by loneliness and by the cruelty of thin people around me, I can attest, it's NOT a willful failure, it's biology. Some people are genetically designed to be wider than the standard model. And as we age, it only gets worse.
      It's still OK to openly criticize and mock people who are "overweight", it's a prejudice as ubiquitous and ugly as sexism or racism for those of us on the downside.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:55:49 AM PST

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      •  Christie has life-long asthma.. (0+ / 0-)

        I laughed at the fact that he needed to be driven to the helicopter until I learned this.  

        NJ air probably doesn't help either.

        He has been hospitalized for it at least once during his term.

        •  Went to the hospital once, I believe. (0+ / 0-)

          I think they did a few tests and sent him on his way.  It was a bit over-hyped; I'm guessing they were mostly erring on the side of caution.  When the governor starts having trouble breathing, you get him to a doctor, ASAP.

        •  our air is fine. (0+ / 0-)

          christie lives in a beautiful part of NJ.
          most of NJ is gorgeous.
          thanks for worrying.

          We consume the carcasses of creatures of like appetites, passions and organs with our own, and fill the slaughterhouses daily with screams of pain and fear. Robert Louis Stevenson

          by Christin on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 01:02:42 PM PST

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  •  Was Taft fatter? (3+ / 0-)
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    That was a different age, but it is possible to have an obese person successfully run for President.  

    I think of it this way: maintaining a healthy weight requires discipline.   More discipline for some of us who put on weight easily(me) than others, but it does require discipline to keep up healthy eating an exercise habits. This discipline helps in all aspects of life, and helps you project a confident, competent image.

    Is this image real?  No, there are plenty of people of normal BMI who lack discipline and are neither confident nor competent.  But image is everything in politics, especially Presidential politics.  

    Whether we like it or not, there is bias against obese people.  We see them as lazy, undisciplined, and even unhygienic.  We hold some disgust that they're not willing to take care of themselves.   These biases are evident even in people like me who have been morbidly obese ourselves - perhaps even more so because of self-hatred/disgust.  

    We do not forgive. We do not forget. The whole world is watching.

    by Tracker on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:34:47 AM PST

    •  No. (2+ / 0-)
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      We all know people who eat crap and don't exercise and are still skinny.  Some of us know (or at least live geographically adjacent to) people who use meth and don't eat, and are skinny.

      OTOH, I know plenty of people who run tris and marathons and they still don't fit the "ideal" body standard.  You can not conflate health and ability with weight.  People who do don't understand statistics.

      It's not just "a matter of discipline", and until we stop conflating personal morality and human worth with weight, it's essentially a civil rights issue.

      Skinny people are not inherently "better" than fat people just because of how they look.

      Do you not see that it is the grossest idolatry to speak of the market as though it were the rival of God?

      by kismet on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:00:44 AM PST

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      •  I agree, that's reality (2+ / 0-)
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        Since when did reality have anything to do with Presidential politics?

        The general perception is skinny = fit and fat=lazy.  It's wrong, but it's still out there.

        We do not forgive. We do not forget. The whole world is watching.

        by Tracker on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:06:00 AM PST

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      •  We're not talking about an ideal body standard (2+ / 0-)
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        We're not even talking about someone who is a couple pounds overweight, either We're not talking about someone who is even 50 pounds overweight.

        We're talking about genuinely morbid obesity. Chrisitie is at least 100 pounds overweight, possibly much more.

  •  It's not really sexism so much as (7+ / 0-)

    it is hatred of fat people. And no, a fat woman would not be successful politically in the United States.

    Shoot blues -> Tell Vile Rat

    by CayceP on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:39:00 AM PST

  •  No (6+ / 0-)

    Any more than race, religion, gender, sexual orientation or religious preference (including no religion)

    But in reality, the following factors do seem to help with politics in general and becoming president in particular.

    1.  Being tall (seriously.  Look up relative heights of who won for the last 50 years)
    2.  Must profess a christian religion, and by christian I mean "protestant".   (Kennedy is the only exception, and he was only elected once with a race that was 2000 levels of close)
    3.  Must be married (but the state of the marriage or how good the kids turned out doesn't matter too much).  This is probably a dog-whistle for "heterosexual" at some level
    4.  Until 2008, must be a white male, and by white I mean not Jewish, Hispanic or even Italian. White as it would have been defined in 1920.  Again Kennedy broke the Irish prejudice, but again, we've not see one since him nominated.  This one is finally breaking down.

    So...Christie does ok in most of these categories, but being attractive is a real plus (most winning candidates for prez are more attractive than the losing candidate).  In 2012, being fit = being attractive much more so than it was 50 years ago.  Just look at how buff all male actors are when they take off their shirts compared to movies in the 60s.    This, by the way, is one of the raps on Clinton too.  She looks like a normal woman of her age in decent health....not a model or actress.

    Oddly enough, if it ends up being Christie vs Clinton, they'll both be dinged in this category and it'll probably be a wash.   Christie vs, say, Gillibrand or Clinton vs Rubio, it might come up as affecting some votes, even though it shouldn't.

  •  Diabetes esp CHILDHOOD diabetes is THE Issue (5+ / 0-)

    Mike Huckabee at one point cared about these issues, but after Obama care became a driving issue, he stopped caring. Diabetes is whats driving healthcare /medicare increases. The fattest counties are the poorest.

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    by OMwordTHRUdaFOG on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:40:47 AM PST

    •  type 2, the usually self-inflicted kind (1+ / 0-)
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      is killing us on healthcare

      fat is a HUGE issue for health care costs and no one here can dispute this no matter how fat-friendly they are

      •  Type 2 diabetes is NOT self-inflicted... (3+ / 0-)
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        ...it's genetic. I know that too well...

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        by JeffW on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:54:07 AM PST

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        •  There's definitely a strong genetic component (2+ / 0-)
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          according to the ADA:

          "Type 2 diabetes has a stronger link to family history and lineage than type 1, although it too depends on environmental factors. Studies of twins have shown that genetics play a very strong role in the development of type 2 diabetes. Lifestyle also influences the development of type 2 diabetes. Obesity tends to run in families, and families tend to have similar eating and exercise habits.

          If you have a family history of type 2 diabetes, it may be difficult to figure out whether your diabetes is due to lifestyle factors or genetic susceptibility. Most likely it is due to both. However, don’t lose heart. Studies show that it is possible to delay or prevent type 2 diabetes by exercising and losing weight."

          •  Well, I discovered that both sides of my family... (0+ / 0-)

            ...had it, and now I've got it. However, it ends with me: no kids.

            Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

            by JeffW on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:31:41 AM PST

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            •  I'm not sure they understand (1+ / 0-)
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              the genetic mechanisms yet. It's in my family history on both sides too- my grandmother died from it (at 83, which was not an early death in those days), one of my uncles on my father's side had it.
              No one in my generation has been affected though, nor have our kids.  I guess it's a crapshoot, like a lot of things.

        •  Mayo clinic: top three risks: weight #1, 2 and 3 (2+ / 0-)
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          Weight. Being overweight is a primary risk factor for type 2 diabetes. The more fatty tissue you have, the more resistant your cells become to insulin.

          Fat distribution. If your body stores fat primarily in your abdomen, your risk of type 2 diabetes is greater than if your body stores fat elsewhere, such as your hips and thighs.Inactivity. The less active you are, the greater your risk of type 2 diabetes.

           Physical activity helps you control your weight, uses up glucose as energy and makes your cells more sensitive to insulin

        •  Mayo Clinic: top 3 risk factors: Weight, #1,2,3 (0+ / 0-)

          Weight. Being overweight is a primary risk factor for type 2 diabetes. The more fatty tissue you have, the more resistant your cells become to insulin.

          Fat distribution. If your body stores fat primarily in your abdomen, your risk of type 2 diabetes is greater than if your body stores fat elsewhere, such as your hips and thighs.Inactivity. The less active you are, the greater your risk of type 2 diabetes.

           Physical activity helps you control your weight, uses up glucose as energy and makes your cells more sensitive to insulin

  •  a candidate who is very morbidly obese could (3+ / 0-)
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    raise questions in the minds of many voters as to whether the candidate, if elected, could withstand the horrendous stress of the Presidency.  Would that person be more likely than others to suffer a stroke, have a heart attack or exhibit other health problems associated with morbid obesity?  Most voters would probably want to avoid a Presidency like Woodrow Wilson's - with the President alive but in such poor health that he or she cannot function in the job.  [We have a process to address that - but what if the facts are "borderline", which then raises legitimacy issues.]

    If the nation's obesity is truly a health crisis - some leaders argue it is a national security crisis also since so many young people of military age are too fat to be able to meet the rigors of military service - such a candidate and President would be a poor example to address that national crisis.

    Such an extremely obese candidate might get some sympathy votes from voters who are also obese and who have struggled with their weight.  I tend to think most obese voters would not relate to the extremely obese Christie.  We all know "fat" people, but his weight seems to be beyond the merely "fat".  [Hard to make the point here without being offensive.]

    I did not see her question as sexist.  It is a legitimate question that could be asked of any candidate of either gender who is as heavy as Governor Christie.

    If Christie is offended by the question, he may lack the tough skin required for a successful candidate, nominee and President.

  •  He is too fat for a full time PRES campaign (1+ / 2-)
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    I don't think he could stand actually running for President which is a stamina thing.

    and his weight is a health issue

    and it is just gross

  •  With the stupid it could be. (0+ / 0-)

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    by dov12348 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:44:56 AM PST

  •  Obesity will keep health costs soaring and (3+ / 5-)

    so, we need to stop trying to accept fatness as normal and ok. Not to demonize but everyone who wants single-payer should realize that fatness will make it impossible to afford this.

    Christie should lose weight be an example for others

    •  Your mouth is talking. (0+ / 0-)

      You might want to look to that.
      I Haiku Firefly.

      We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

      by raptavio on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:38:48 AM PST

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    •  Our beef is with Obama's census department (0+ / 0-)

      There's a correlation between the Bible Belt Red States with obesity issues and poor (and expensive) health care issues.

      Or we could look at Republican, Mitt Romney loving, tax hating Utah.  Our health care costs should be the highest in the country, right?  Nope, we're the 8th cheapest.  And we are in the top 10 for being skinny, too.

      census.gov will have more information.

      If any Obama administration personnel ever post here, save your bagels with extra cream cheese for them; not Merrywidow.

      •  $190 million spent on obesity related health care (1+ / 0-)
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        Harvard study:

        Paying the Price for Those Extra Pounds
        Excess weight harms health in many ways. It increases the risk of developing conditions such as diabetes, heart disease, osteoarthritis, and some cancers, to name just a few, and reduces the life span. Treating obesity and obesity-related conditions costs billions of dollars a year. By one estimate, the U.S. spent $190 billion on obesity-related health care expenses in 2005—double previous estimates. (1)  The enormity of this economic burden and the huge toll that excess weight takes on health and well-being are beginning to raise global political awareness that individuals, communities, states, nations, and international organizations must do more to stem the rising tide of obesity

      •  so, skinny people = less health care costs (0+ / 0-)

        is that your point, because duh! Yes.

        •  Skinny =/= healthy (1+ / 0-)
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          nor does fat automatically mean you're unhealthy.

          I was pretty hot when I was couch surfing and not eating regularly.

          Maybe I should return to that lifestyle so I can be thin and therefore "healthy".

          Shoot blues -> Tell Vile Rat

          by CayceP on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 12:21:05 PM PST

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          •  Obese and Healthy do not go together (0+ / 0-)

            some fat can be ok, but when you cross over to obese, you are NOT healthy.

            taking pills to "manage" health problems is not called being healthy and most overweight people take blood pressure and cholesteral pills and call themselves healthy, and that is just not true

    •  NO,obesity does not make (1+ / 0-)
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      single payer unaffordable. Nor does smoking,cancer,living longer,having babies or anything else. Utter canard & yes,you are demonizing.

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      by tardis10 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 01:17:34 PM PST

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  •  Used to be super morbidly obese.... (10+ / 0-)

    After a sexual assault, my defunct brain decided that hiding inside an extra 150 lbs of flesh might be sufficient camoflage to keep me out of the crosshairs of someone else thinking to objectify me sexually.

    Admittedly, it was not a good plan.  

    By the time I had processed/recovered from the aftereffects of the assault, I was mentally healthy.... in a grossly overweight body....  basic things you might take for granted like showering, basic hygiene, finding clothes to wear... all were ordeals.  Health issues were diabetes (or pre-diabetes in my case), asthma, poor circulation, heart issues, sleep apnea, depression, exhaustion, stress incontinence, knees and hips giving out early.... and this is a partial list of what a typically super morbidly obese person experiences.

    Happened to have insurance that happened to cover gastric bypass surgery and I jumped through all of the pre-surgery hoops and testing like lightning because we didn't know how long the coverage might last.  After the surgery, which is no picnic, my recovery was a roller coaster ride complete with much buyers remorse.  I remember walking thru an entire grocery store realizing that there wasn't one thing there I could eat.  Finally I just decided to go with it and began a journey of 160 lbs lost.

    Now I can walk, climb a ladder, play frisbee, run to get out of the pouring rain, work all day, stack firewood, lift a bag of grain and carry it 100 yards, get on the floor with my grandson.... basically, I'm still older but I'm within a normal weight range for someone my age.

    I KNOW, really KNOW how limited I was when I was Chris Christie's size.  No way should he be president in that condition.  It puts all of US at risk of having someone as President who is unable to meet the demands of office.

    •  Interesting- I recently got into conversation (4+ / 0-)
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      with a woman who was waiting in line to pay for new clothes. She started telling me how exciting it was to find things so easily, then she told me she'd had gastric bypass surgery, then she went on to tell me about some of the unpleasant aftereffects from the surgery. I said it sounded like quite an ordeal. She said "honey, my entire life was an ordeal before I had that surgery".
      It can't be an easy decision to make, I'm glad it went well for you.

  •  To the extent that it impacts his health, yes. (6+ / 0-)

    It's unacceptable to mock him for being overweight.
    If it's a health issue, then yes, it should be considered in the same way that McCain's age was discussed in 2008. Just pragmatically, we don't want to elect someone who has a good chance of dying in office.

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    by rigcath on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:53:37 AM PST

  •  This was discussed on MSNBC last night (8+ / 0-)

    can't recall if it was Ed, Rachel, or who. But Republican strategist Steve Schmidt was very candid that if Christie is serious about 2016 then he needs to start working on this now. The stress of a campaign, the pace, not to mention the stress and rigor of the Presidency is a reality that must be faced by Christie.

    Given the cautions my doctor repeats every time I see her, and not being as overweight as Christie, I can't imagine that his doctors haven't advised him to lose weight. That's not fat bashing. It's reality.

    I've no love lost for Christie or Mike Huckabee, but the latter acknowledged and took action to lose weight before his run for the Presidency. He may be the most appropriate person to counsel Christie.

    We view "The Handmaid's Tale" as cautionary. The GOP views it as an instruction book.

    by Vita Brevis on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:14:55 AM PST

  •  I would hate for progressives to go there (3+ / 0-)
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    Snarking or concern tolling on Governor Christie's weight is exactly what I'd expect Limbaugh or Ann Coulter to do to a Democrat who was overweight.  

    Let Repubs be the party of pettiness.  Of personal attacks.  I'm happy for Democrats to be the party of substance.  

    (Also, politically, with such a large percentage of Americans classified as obese, an attack on Christie can be perceived by a large percentage of voters as an attack on them).

    My dos centavos.

  •  "Fair game." (0+ / 0-)

    Are you suggesting we hunt and eat Chris Christie?  I hear human flesh is gamy.  Not sure if weight/fat content of carcass changes this.

    "To recognize error, to cut losses, to alter course, is the most repugnant option in government." Historian Barbara Tuchman

    by Publius2008 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:35:58 AM PST

  •  Christie's *health* should be the issue (2+ / 0-)
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    Christie has put on at least 50 pounds, by the look of it, since he became Governor. He's also gotten less fit. He's a man who need to be brought by helicopter to the ball field of his son's game, because he can't walk more than a few hundred feet on a 95 degree day. He's developed  asthma (for which he was hospitalized) since becoming Governor. His extreme obesity is putting stress of his joints, his heart, and his blood vessels.

    It might be better to focus on the fact that he is the corrupt - completely corrupt - tool of the Morris/Somerset/Hunterdon County Republican oligarchs. His friendly-guy "New Jersey" demeanor ("biggest Bruce fan ever! 132 concerts!") has made him popular here. But his bras bullying may not go over so well in other parts of the country. Hell, there are a lot of people in New Jersey who can't stand it. But those issues will likely be lost as Christie's tele-friendly exterior presentation becomes the focus.

    Focus on his health, and especially focus on his Vice-Presidential possibles. Because I'd be very surprised if he doesn't keel over of a major coronary within the decade. He is eating himself to death.

    They say "cut back" - we say "fight back"!

    by Louise on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:37:42 AM PST

    •  He has not "developed asthma"... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...since becoming governor.  He's had it since he was in college, according to him.

    •  Wrong about that (2+ / 0-)
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      He's a man who need to be brought by helicopter to the ball field of his son's game, because he can't walk more than a few hundred feet on a 95 degree day
      After the helicopter landed in a nearby football field, Christie took a car the extra 100 yards to the baseball field, the Star-Ledger noted. He and his wife took the car back to the helicopter in the fifth inning and flew off.
      http://www.cbsnews.com/...

      And even at that I would not chalk up even the car to his weight or ability to walk - helicopters and cars are the overt signals to tell the world you are a very important and very busy person, and have the power to have such perks.

      "...you can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem." Mitt Romney

      by Catte Nappe on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:36:47 AM PST

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  •  Can someone with polio (3+ / 0-)
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    function as president?

  •  Was Palin's stupidity and Romney's wealth fair gam (3+ / 0-)
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    PSzymeczek, SilentBrook, tobendaro

    or Kerry's military service... or Obama's race... or McCain's senility/age

    nothing is officially fair game, but there will be a undertones and un-official attacks in all... it is how the game is played... and if people doubt Christie judgement b/c of his wieght, is it unfair...maybe... maybe not...

    if he can be cruel to people who cannot control their way of life (i.e. the poor), i have no sympathy for his situation.

    i will not vote for him b/c of how his policies hurt people, but if he loses votes b/c of his appearance/votes then so be it... it probably balances out... b/c if biden is the candidate he may lose votes for his age... and if hillary is... she will lose some for her gender... and they will attack when they see it to their advantage.

  •  there are no such thing as unfair questions (2+ / 0-)
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    SilentBrook, tobendaro

    when someone's running for public office and, especially, when someone's running for president.

    In this specific case, like with everything else, it depends on how this issue is approached.

    In my opinion, it is a perfectly fair question to ask a potential presidential candidate if he thinks that he would be a good role model for children of this country, not only in terms of his politics, but his physical shape.

    The other point is: it doesn't matter whether you or me or anyone else think this is fair. It will be an issue in the mind of at least some voters. If the comedians pile on too much, it's also possible people could feel compelled to feel more sympathy toward Christie, as well.

  •  The president is a role model (1+ / 0-)
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    Do we want children to look at an obese president and think that it's ok to grow up and be that much overweight?

  •  It will be a minor issue and Christie (0+ / 0-)

    uses his weight as a distraction. He may be big but he is not weak.

    He's OK with fat jokes as long as they are funny.

  •  What annoys me about this diary (4+ / 0-)
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    Bill W, tytalus, CayceP, stormicats

    is that anyone who asked the same question about Barack Obama's smoking in 2008 would have been laughed off the forum.

    Why? Because you can't look at someone and tell he's a smoker.

    We have just enough religion to make us hate, but not enough to make us love one another. -- Jonathan Swift

    by raptavio on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 10:23:30 AM PST

  •  Of course it should not be a campaign issue (0+ / 0-)

    Nobody in the public eye should say anything about Christie's weight.

    However that doesn't mean those of us in the peanut gallery shouldn't ruthlessly make every fat joke we could think of on our Facebook pages, etc. Politics is bloodsport! Chris christie is a big, fat juicy target. No mercy!

  •  I won't say anything (2+ / 0-)
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    SilentBrook, The Book Bear

    about Chris Christie's Weight.

    Is it OK if I make Jokes about "The Elephant in the Room"
    without mentioning ANY Names ?

    Just Asking.

    On Giving Advice: Smart People Don't Need It and Stupid People Don't Listen

    by Brian76239 on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 11:14:52 AM PST

  •  No. Flip around the other way and ask (0+ / 0-)

    that same question.

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