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This evenings music features delta musicians Kid Bailey, Willie "61" Blackwell, who is apparently too obscure to have a wikipedia entry, and piedmont bluesman Luke Jordan.


Kid Bailey - Mississippi Bottom Blues


"If the workers are organized, all they have to do is to put their hands in their pockets and they have got the capitalist class whipped."

  -- William Dudley Haywood


News and Opinion

Why Couldn't Unions Defeat Michigan Anti-Union Bill?

Alarms Go Off as Obama Plays Footsie with Raising Medicare Age

Progressives from all quarters warn against unnecessary cuts to key social programs

Partly because he's done it before, partly because he specifically left it on the table in a not-yet aired interview with ABC's Barbara Walters this week, but mainly because it's a terrible policy idea, progressives are saying loudly that if President Obama agrees to raise the Medicare eligibility age from 65 to 67 he'll have, as one notable critic put it, "hell to pay."

As secret offers and counter-offers have been exchanged between the White House and the GOP leadership in the House over the last several days, speculation has peaked about whether or not Obama will relinquish his strong negotiating position by giving in to demands that he do something—no matter how ineffective—that would simultaneously please Republicans while proving he's willing to ignore the desires of his political base.

Proving that history may in some ways repeat itself, it seems that Republican unwillingness to take a deal or accept concessions offered by the President—as happened in last year's debate over the debt ceiling—could ultimately save Obama from himself.

Matt Taibbi: After Laundering $800 Million in Drug Money, How Did HSBC Executives Avoid Jail?
Why Is Big Business Supporting Obama?

I can’t help it. When I see Fortune 500 titans like Rex Tillerson, the chief executive of ExxonMobil, calling for higher taxes on the rich, I suspect there’s something fishy happening. Tillerson, a conservative Texan who earned about thirty-five million dollars last year and is a longtime skeptic of global warming, is one of the dozens of prominent businessmen who have signed an open letter calling on “Congress to agree on more revenue—whether by increasing rates, eliminating deductions, or some combination thereof.”

The call to soak the rich—for that was what it amounted to—was released under the auspices of the Business Roundtable, a lobbying group for America’s biggest corporations. ...

What do you know, but just as the C.E.O.s are publicly backing the President’s stance on individual tax rates, the White House has resurrected the idea of reforming corporate taxation, with more flexibility this time. ...

According to the Journal, which is usually reliable on these things, the White House is quietly saying it will go at least some way in the direction that corporate America wants to go. Its “corporate-tax suggestion wasn’t specific other than committing to overhaul the corporate tax code in 2013,” the report said. “White House officials, in making the suggestion, cited a corporate-tax plan the administration unveiled in February but said they weren’t wedded to any specifics.” ...

Call me a conspiracy theorist, but I have trouble believing the conversion to Obamanomics is coincidental. With the White House desperate to garner their support for political reasons, the C.E.O.s, unlike the Republicans, have some leverage. At this point, they know that nothing they can do will prevent a modest rise in their individual tax rates come January. (Given the vast sums they make, they are well able to afford such a rise.) So, rather than fighting a lost battle, they seem to be cleverly using their influence—and their endorsement of higher income taxes on people like themselves—to extract a better deal on corporate taxes. ...

Effective corporate-tax rates are already broadly comparable to other advanced countries. In any sensible budget agreement, the aim should be to insure that all big companies pay their fair share of taxes, rather than using elaborate avoidance schemes. If the Obama Administration were to sacrifice this goal merely to garner the support of some C.E.O.s in another battle it is already winning, it would be striking a terrible bargain.

Why isn’t this a front page story nationwide?

On November 20th 2012 I told you about a guilty plea  taken by Lorraine Brown, the founder of DOCX (later known at LPS), in federal court in Florida. The press release for that plea did not come out until after 5 PM on the Tuesday before Thanksgiving. On the Wednesday before Thanksgiving most of the reporters who usually occupy the front pages of our newspapers and network news were presumably traveling or preparing for their holiday. The story was barely reported. ...

Whatever the banks thought about the robo-signing being “sloppy” before, once Lorraine Brown admitted that virtually every document coming out of DOCX/LPS was a forgery and that ALL documents coming out of DOCX/LPS were suspect, the banks that had court cases pending using DOCX/LPS documents had an obligation to either withdraw the documents and/or withdraw the lawsuits and other foreclosure proceedings.

It is a crime (common law fraud) to knowingly use a false, perjured, forged, fraudulent document as “evidence” in court. The specific statute violated will vary from state to state, but it is impossible to conceive that there is a single state where this is legal. If I’m wrong about that, I’m sure someone from the fraud-allowing state will set me straight in the comments. This is certainly a violation of federal criminal law, for example 18 USC §§ 371, 1341, 1342, and 1343 and 39 USC§§ 1341 and 1342. ...

This also means that the 50 state settlement notwithstanding, the Department of Justice and every attorney general in the country have a brand new, slam dunk, open and shut case against every single bank that is still allowing a foreclosure case to go forward based on DOCX/LPS false evidence.

Matt Taibbi on the Unfolding Libor Scandal
Warren assigned to Senate Banking Committee

Sen.-elect Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), an ardent critic of Wall Street practices, will be assigned a seat on the Senate Banking Committee once the 113th Congress convenes in January.

Progressive and liberal groups had urged Democratic leaders to place Warren on the committee, which considers legislation regarding the nation’s financial institutions. Bank lobbyists, on the other hand, had pushed to keep her off the committee.

Bubble in Developing World Won't Substitute for Domestic Demand

Military judge allows total blackout of 9/11 plotters’ torture testimony

A military judge presiding over the trials of the accused 9/11 plotters decided last week that any and all testimony relating to their treatment by U.S. personnel shall be censored, according to a ruling released Wednesday.

In a statement sent to reporters, the American Civil Liberties Union made it clear that they are deeply troubled by the judge’s ruling.

“The government wanted to ensure that the American public would never hear the defendants’ accounts of illegal CIA torture, rendition and detention, and the military judge has gone along with that shameful plan,” ACLU attorney Hina Shamsi said in an advisory.

Is Embrace of Syrian Rebels Preparation for US Intervention?

In a move that notches up the potential for a western military intervention in Syria, the US government on Tuesday formally recognized factions of the armed opposition group facing off against President Bashar al-Assad in what has been an escalating and bloody civil war in the Middle East country.

"We've made a decision that the Syrian Opposition Coalition is now inclusive enough, is reflective and representative enough of the Syrian population, that we consider them the legitimate representative of the Syrian people in opposition to the Assad regime," President Obama said announcing the new status of what has also been called the Free Syria Army.

Other Western governments, including the UK and France, have already recognized the coalition. A meeting in Morocco on Wednesday between representatives of the Syrian opposition and Western governments, including the US, is intended to solidify the recognition and determine what kind of support they will receive going forward.

Obama spoke with ABC News on Tuesday night about the decision:

Syrian Opposition Coalition is a US-orchestrated exile group with no legitimacy among the real Syrian opposition

President Barack Obama on Tuesday declared that the US officially recognizes the Syrian Opposition Coalition as the sole “legitimate representative” of its country’s people. ...

The group was formed as a US initiative and was officially acknowledged after a US-orchestrated conference in Qatar in November.

The Coalition is supposed to be made up of Syrian dissidents and opposition groups from across the spectrum. But it is largely another exile group without strong roots inside the country, and vehemently rejected by the armed rebel groups fighting the Assad regime on the ground in Syria. ...

The Obama administration’s announcement came immediately after the State Department’s decision to officially designate one of Syria’s foremost rebel groups, Jabhat al-Nusra, a group tied to hundreds of suicide bombings and al-Qaeda in Iraq, as a terrorist organization.

That decision was met with ardent backlash from more than 100 rebel groups on the ground inside Syria, who signed a petition expressing solidarity with al-Nusra and promoting the slogan “No to American intervention, for we are all Jabhat al-Nusra.”

Number of jailed journalists sets global record

Imprisonment of journalists worldwide reached a record high in 2012, driven in part by the widespread use of charges of terrorism and other anti-state offenses against critical reporters and editors, the Committee to Protect Journalists has found. In its annual census of imprisoned journalists, CPJ identified 232 individuals behind bars on December 1, an increase of 53 over its 2011 tally.

Large-scale imprisonments in Turkey, Iran, and China helped lift the global tally to its highest point since CPJ began conducting worldwide surveys in 1990, surpassing the previous record of 185 in 1996. The three nations, the world’s worst jailers of the press, each made extensive use of vague anti-state laws to silence dissenting political views, including those expressed by ethnic minorities. Worldwide, anti-state charges such as terrorism, treason, and subversion were the most common allegations brought against journalists in 2012. At least 132 journalists were being held around the world on such charges, CPJ’s census found.

Eritrea and Syria also ranked among the world’s worst, each jailing numerous journalists without charge or due process and holding them in secret prisons without access to lawyers or family members. Worldwide, 63 journalists are being held without any publicly disclosed charge.

Stanford Biologist Warns of Damaged Human-Earth Relationship

The magnitude and devastation of Hurricane Sandy is the latest example of how Earth systems are reacting to stresses created by human activities. Paul Ehrlich, a biology professor at Stanford University and noted ecologist and demographer, believes that the decoupling of human and natural systems has presented a dire situation, and that realigning these systems should be considered a greater priority.

"Humanity is faced with the most serious crisis in its 200,000-year history," Ehrlich told an audience at the fall meeting of the American Geophysical Union today. "But society remains focused on relatively trivial problems such as the overblown debt 'crisis' and unemployment, rather than attacking the perfect storm of environmental problems that could bring down civilization." ...

To see the growing disconnect, Ehrlich said, one only has to consider the attention paid in public discourse to the financial problems currently facing rich nations: "Coverage of these topics in the media is massive compared to, say, the news that Earth's coral reefs are now beyond saving and that civilization may have passed a lethal climatic tipping point and be headed for collapse.

"In the absence of dramatic changes in human behavior relative to Earth's natural systems, gradual population shrinkage, an end to overconsumption by the rich and a redistribution of wealth and opportunity, it is likely the natural system will react in ways that will reduce the scale of the human system in a very unpleasant manner," Ehrlich said. "Debt and employment problems can be solved entirely by negotiation; one cannot negotiate with nature."

California Public Land Sold to Frackers Despite Public Outcry

800,000 acres and counting going to fossil fuel industry on Obama's watch

The US Bureau of Land Management continued its widespread sale of public land to the fracking and oil industry on Wednesday in a federal auction of nearly 18,000 acres. The auction was met by dozens of anti-fracking protesters who say the continual sale of public lands to the fossil fuel industry, including 800,000 acres of land in Utah, Colorado, and Wyoming for tar sands and oil shale development, puts short-term profits ahead of the planet.

BLM spokesman David Christy said eight different groups—including oil companies—bid for the land Wednesday in Monterey, San Benito and Fresno counties. The agency plans to announce the "winners" within 24 hours.

Dozens of protesters in hazmat suits carried barrels labeled “Warning: Toxic Fracking Fluid” outside of the auction Wednesday morning.

“A fracking boom will devastate California’s beautiful public wildlands,” said Rose Braz, climate campaign director at the Center for Biological Diversity, who organized the protests along with several other groups. “The federal government should protect these beautiful public places, not sell them off to be drilled and fracked, risking irreparable harm to our air, water and climate.”


Blog Posts of Interest

Here are diaries and selected blog posts of interest on DailyKos and other blogs.
What's Happenin'

Michigan Passes Right to Work; What Are Labor’s Next Options?

Justice For All

Neil Barofsky: Too Big to Jail – Our Banking System’s Latest Disgrace



A Little Night Music




Kid Bailey - Rowdy Blues

Luke Jordan - Cocaine Blues

Luke Jordan - If I Call You Mama

Luke Jordan - Church Bells Blues

Luke Jordan - Traveling Coon

Luke Jordan - My Gal's Done Quit Me

Luke Jordan - Pick Poor Robin Clean

Willie "61" Blackwell Noiseless Motor Blues

Willie "61" Blackwell - Don't Misuse Me, Baby

Willie 61 Blackwell - Machine Gune Blues

Willie "61" Blackwell - Chalk My Toy

Willie "61" Blackwell - Four O'Clock (Flower) Blues





Debate

Remember when progressive debate was about our values and not about a "progressive" candidate? Remember when progressive websites championed progressive values and didn't tell progressives to shut up about values so that "progressive" candidates can get elected?

Come to where the debate is not constrained by oaths of fealty to persons or parties.

Come to where the pie is served in a variety of flavors.

"The smart way to keep people passive and obedient is to strictly limit the spectrum of acceptable opinion, but allow very lively debate within that spectrum."  ~ Noam Chomsky




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Originally posted to DFH writers group on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 05:00 PM PST.

Also republished by Team DFH.

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  •  Evening Joe (8+ / 0-)

    Thinkin' outside the Wiki - I like it.  Heard extensive coverage on the HSBC settlement - can not believe there are not going to be any criminal indictments.  They have solid proof they set up the laundering systems for drug cartels and Iran.  It wasn't sloppy safeguards or lax oversight - it was out and out on purpose illegal money laundering.

    "Differences in political opinion are as unavoidable as, to a certain point, they may perhaps be necessary." George Washington

    by civil wingnut on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 05:12:49 PM PST

    •  evening cw... (6+ / 0-)

      if it weren't for the evidence of my senses, i would not be able to believe that a company can do the things that hsbc did and nobody goes to jail.  money laundering for drug cartels and al-qaeda? really?  holy shit!

      is it getting too obvious that we have a two-tiered justice system in america yet?

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 05:21:01 PM PST

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      •  The new way (3+ / 0-)

        to sanction too big to fail (or too big of a campaign contributor) companies is by sternly worded statements at Senate committee hearings.  They call them in and scold them, kind of like they did when they had hard evidence of Goldman Sachs defrauding their customers.  Sen. Levin yelled at them, and that was it.  A couple years later the DoJ put out a public statement saying "ollie ollie oxen free!" no prosecution for the squid.  Same with the execs of the other too big to fail criminal banks.  

        The WH and Senate dish out the sternly worded sentences, literally and figuratively.  And that's it. That's the 1% justice.

        I think we are seeing that it applies in other situations of grievous war crimes too.  Today, Sen. McCain issued a sternly worded statement in committee hearing about torture, and said that a declassified version of the torture report should be released and that the honor of our country is on the line, and torture has to be no more (or at least the really bad torture, other forms of it are still allowed in the military code).  Now the people who ordered, designed and carried out that torture were shielded and no prosecutions were done, save the token "bad apple" little guys who went to jail. But people like Rodriguez who was intimately involved with it and who illegally destroyed the evidence tapes?  Scot free.  Even got to write a book and appear on 60 Minutes.  

        So I think this sternly worded statement by McCain and stern statements by others is it -- this is their idea of justice.  Oh, and the advice to never, never do that again!  And pay no attention to those black sites that still exist or the still allowed psychological torture still allowed, or the Bradley Manning treatment, or information about the CIA annex in Libya being used to detain and interrogate militia members. Nothing to see there (until a decade from now, information comes out about what happened during this admin too, possibly, at which time another sternly worded statement from a Senator will be in order).  


        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 06:53:59 PM PST

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        •  sad but true... (2+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          joanneleon, ek hornbeck

          and most of the crooks will never even get a tongue lashing.

          i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

          by joe shikspack on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 07:04:28 PM PST

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        •  McCain was right about one thing... (4+ / 0-)

          ...they should release a declassified version. Such documents are frustrating for what we don't know has been excised in the public version, but they do provide a window for people like Marcy Wheeler and others to dig out some valuable information that sometimes produces more of the same.

          Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

          by Meteor Blades on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:27:32 PM PST

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          •  Agree (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            joe shikspack, ek hornbeck

            I was over there commenting earlier about the same thing and some other thoughts.

            I am very glad that the senators are speaking out about the efficicacy of torture, or rather the lack of, and pushing back against the (what I consider) deceitful way that torture was depicted as a key factor in finding bin Laden in Zero Dark Thirty. But I really wish they would make a declassified version of that report available before the movie comes out in wider theater release and before Oscar nominations are decided upon.  And I don't really understand how the senators can issue statements about the broad conclusions of a classified report without that being problematic in terms of disclosing classified information, but that is what they are doing, and again I am glad they are.

            Some commenters believe that a declassified version will never be made public.  I tend to disagree. I think this conviction in European Human Rights court is a big deal to this administration and members of Congress and military brass.  I think the president especially wants to have something in hand that he can refer to when the tough questions come, and when he has to speak with other world leaders.  He wants to be able to say that it was investigated, analyzed, and denounced, and that he has solid evidence for current and future military decision makers, policy makers who might argue for continued torture policies.  I think other prominent leaders like McCain and Feinstein want cover for themselves too. And I think it will be used as some kind of substitute or way to distract from the fact that they never held anyone accountable for these programs.

            I do wonder if a scapegoat or two will be offered up too, but I tend to doubt that. Can't open Pandora's box by going after anyone with any clout who could implicate a lot of others and reveal more and more.


            "Justice is a commodity"

            by joanneleon on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:55:32 PM PST

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            •  I am concerned about the current situation... (4+ / 0-)

              ...but I am certain it is not nearly as bad as it was. What infuriates me is that the guys who ordered torture so blatantly are still making money off there lectures and book tours, walking free instead of sitting somewhere in chains. If they were treated as Bradley Manning has been, you can better their apologists would have a different point of view.

              That, of course, is never going to happen, something we pretty knew by the second week of the Obama administration.

              So be it.  Having had to swallow the fact that these war crimes would never be punished unless you were some sad sack bottom-tier soldier who took photos of the behavior you were given free rein to engage in, the least we should expect now is that we at least get told what happened in detail. That's the last bulwark, weak as it is, against its happening again.

              Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

              by Meteor Blades on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 09:17:11 PM PST

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    •  HSBC - two tier justice system (4+ / 0-)

      Heck, it is a couple of weeks of profits. Just a cost of doing business.

      Been on the bottom side of criminal justice system the last month. It is horrible.

      But the top dogs can do whatever they want.

      Who was president when this settlement happened? Who was the attorney general?

      Back in the Savings and Loan crisis, 1,000 people went to jail. A get out of jail card is the new normal. And Obama says he thinks a lot of Reagan. Well, sure doesn't deliver prosecutions like happened oh so long ago.

      Here is Glenn Greenwald on the scandal:

      HSBC, too big to jail, is the new poster child for US two-tiered justice system
      DOJ officials unblinkingly insist that the banking giant is too powerful and important to subject to the rule
       of law

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/...

      •  evening don... (4+ / 0-)

        if you haven't yet check out the democracy now interview with matt taibbi above.  he makes the point that obama's failure to prosecute these crooks, purportedly in order to prevent the banking system from crashing, has the perverse effect of sending the message to the too-big-to-fail crooks to do more crimes.  this will of course, lead to the same negative outcome (a crash) that we had before.

        i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

        by joe shikspack on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 05:34:07 PM PST

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  •  Environmental Collapse and head in sand (4+ / 0-)

    Thanks for the link on Paul Erlich. Yet another environmentalist predicting the end of civilization if we continue on this path.

    Here is a place that the world should be spending their money and energy.

    UN Development Goals Could Be Met With a Few Percent of Military Spending

    Here's a useful new report from the International Peace Bureau.  Globally, the report finds, spending on war preparations is higher than ever as an absolute amount and as a percentage of public spending (if not as a percentage of GDP).  This spending is led and dominated by the United States, which of course pressures other nations to try to keep pace.  The United States also dominates the manufacture and sale of weapons to other nations.
    The figures that the IPB uses admittedly leave out many types of military spending.  In fact, they capture less than 60% of U.S. military spending.  So, the conclusions are all extremely "conservative" -- that is to say: dramatically wrong.  Without knowing how much of other nations' war preparations spending is missing, one cannot do the calculations correctly.  Nonetheless, IPB's conclusions are stunning and include these:
    http://davidswanson.org/...
  •  Evening Joe, thanks for the tunes as usual and the (5+ / 0-)

    epitaph, I love it.

    "Too obscure to have a Wikipedia page."

    Glad the old stuff's been saved.

    I cannot make the add machine work ever no more.
    Ripple">

    Keep on, keeping on, watching this space.

    Occupy- Your Mind. - No better friend, no worse enemy. -8.75, -6.21<> Bring the Troops Home Yesterday

    by Thousandwatts on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 05:37:11 PM PST

  •  Hey Joe, got any Christmas spirit yet? (5+ / 0-)

    November hydrangea

    I think I spent all mine last year. I was really excited and prepared last year but this year NOT.

    ❧To thine ownself be true

    by Agathena on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 05:40:18 PM PST

  •  Hey joe, how ya' doin'? (4+ / 0-)

    You got any idea why Democracy Now! stories won't embed directly ?

    The free market is not the solution, the free market is the problem.

    by Azazello on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 06:21:02 PM PST

    •  evening azazello... (4+ / 0-)

      you mean the ones at the democracynow.org site, or the ones posted at youtube?

      the ones at the democracynow.org site won't post directly on daily kos because daily kos doesn't allow the democracynow.org domain to open an inline frame on the site.  daily kos has however recently allowed youtube videos with iframe tags to work here.

      now, the problem with the democracy now videos on youtube, is that their iframe embed code is all screwed up.  if you remove the bit of code gobbledygook that refers to their playlist, however, they work just fine now.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 06:32:40 PM PST

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  •  Evening all (6+ / 0-)

    Great music and news lineup, joe.

    The article about how it's fishy when Fortune 500 titans are signing on to letters about raising their income taxes -- I agree.  There has to be something else going on.  I think the answer to that is in the talk about flattening the tax code (a conservative and 1% long held wet dream) and lowering corporate taxes and perhaps changing some of the tax structure in that arena is the other answer.

    I think promises have been made to do things like that. These are things that Republicans have wanted to do and have worked toward for decades.

    The talk about restructuring the tax code has been floating around for a number of years.  I remember thinking that what would happen would be that the 1 or 2% would concede the Bush tax cuts, but later the tax code would be restructured such that in the end they would get all of that back in a more complex way, or perhaps even end up better off than with the Bush tax cuts.

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    See that red line?  Corporate profits.  Those are the guys who are demanding that the corp tax rate be lowered so they can keep more of their money and push the tax burden more onto the little guy, the blue line guy.  The red line continues to soar, just as it did during the Bush years, except for the dramatic drop during the crash and then the dramatic rise, most likely due to bail outs and stimulus.  

    And when corp taxes are cut, what will happen to that money? Will they pay their people more? Create more jobs?  Help the country in some other way? Well no, highly unlikely. Because right now, corps are sitting on trillions of dollars that they hardly know what to do with, looking for ways to invest it profitably. They won't create more jobs unless there is more demand for their products and services.   And the blue line guy  is not seeing any increase in real income and lots of blue line guys are out of work, some long term, and the govt and their owners are scaring the shit out of the blue line guys so they are spending only what they need to.  

    The red line guys don't give a shit about the country they incorporated in and that they get their corporate welfare from. They can outsource and offshore. They are counting on the magical new emerging markets where we are going to create all these trade agreements and create huge new customer bases, people to buy their products.  Except that is not working out so well now.  So I wonder if they are finally seeing the light now, realizing that all the geniuses that made that the conventional wisdom and destroyed this country were wrong.

    When you look at corporate profits, and the graph of corporate profits vs. wages for individuals, and when you look at the actual taxes paid by many of the biggest corps (little or none, even get credits) the idea that corporate tax rates should be lowered is just mind blowing. But it looks like it's been a long term goal of this president and his CEO buddies and his Fix the Debt billionaire friends.  And hey, when people have given you tens, hundreds of millions of dollars to ensure that you are elected and reelected, they expect big things in return.


    "Justice is a commodity"

    by joanneleon on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 06:36:11 PM PST

    •  evening jl... (4+ / 0-)

      i kind of look at it as a shell game... these 1% people can move money around and make one kind of income appear to be another kind, etc.  so if they lose a little bit on their personal income tax, but are compensated by driving down their business operating costs, or a lower rate on repatriating offshore income or a larger income from investments... what do they care?  whatever keeps the rubes happy, you know?

      i think that you're correct that a lot of the 1% are looking at the emerging markets with lust in their hearts, thinking that if they can drive down first world wages enough that they will be able to profit handsomely when the emerging economies become an enormous market for the newly inexpensive first world goods.  i think you're also correct that it is not going to work out that way.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 06:57:55 PM PST

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  •  HR alert - Ohio 2004 election (3+ / 0-)

    someone posted a link to a long, detailed article on the 2004 election.

    the lead author of the study, richard hayes phillips, a phd in some environmental field - water, biology, or something, spent 3 years of his life auditing the 2004 election in Ohio

    someone just posted a link to a recent article that he wrote with a support person and it got 2 HR. One comment was HR for obvious reason.

    I know that election integrity is a hard problem and an inside game. I am just getting into it and only have about 4 books to start.

    but to just HR because it is CT is going too far

    here is the link

    http://www.dailykos.com/...

  •  Yessiree on that Business Roundtable ... (2+ / 0-)
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    joe shikspack, ek hornbeck

    ....soak-the-rich story. As I noted yesterday:

    It's not exactly the crumbling of the plutocracy. For one thing, willingness on the part of a growing number of top bankers, hedge-fund managers and leaders in the non-financial end of American business seems predicated on their fears of how uncertainty will affect the economy if a compromise on the fiscal impasse isn't reached. So they're moving in their own interest. And their cooperation now, for what is, at worst, a return to Clinton-era tax rates for the richest Americans, could buy them support in the White House later for a big item on their agenda: lowering the corporate tax rate. So they're moving in their own interest.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:24:35 PM PST

    •  morning mb... (1+ / 0-)
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      ek hornbeck

      this should be a bigger story.  there's an awful lot going on in the shadows on this fiscal cliff story that really ought to have some sunlight.  the sad thing is that it looks like the administration is in these secret backroom dealings up to their ears.  it appears that the elites are figuring out how to create the appearance that they are "sacrificing" while actually shifting even more costs onto the rest of us.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:20:36 AM PST

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  •  2 of my favorite tunes. Four O'Clock Flower (3+ / 0-)

    & Luke Jordan's Cocaine Blues.
    thanks

    Warren is neither a Clintonesque triangulator nor an Obamaesque conciliator. She is a throwback to a more combative progressive tradition, and her candidacy is a test of whether that approach can still appeal to voters.-J. Toobin "New Yorker"

    by chuck utzman on Thu Dec 13, 2012 at 08:40:25 PM PST

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