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U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice on withdrawing her name from consideration as a nominee for U.S. Secretary of State:
I grew up in Washington, D.C., and I’ve seen plenty of battles over politics and policy. But a national security appointment, much less a potential one, should never be turned into a political football. There are far bigger issues at stake. So I concluded this distraction has to stop.

This was the right call, for four reasons.

First, my commitment to public service is rooted in the belief that our nation’s interests must be put ahead of individual ones. I’ve devoted my life to serving the United States and trying to mend our imperfect world. That’s where I want to focus my efforts, not on defending myself against baseless political attacks.

Second, I deeply respect Congress’s role in our system of government. After the despicable terrorist attacks that took the lives of four colleagues in Benghazi, our government must work through serious questions and bring the perpetrators to justice. We must strengthen security at our diplomatic posts and improve our intelligence in a volatile Middle East. Accomplishing these goals is far more important than political fights or personal attacks.

NBC's Andrea Mitchell:
I think this had become sort of an impossible challenge for her to be confirmed, that she realized that, the White House realized it as well. I think they know they are on good political solid ground, as you were just pointing out. This is not going to help Republicans at all, the fact that a woman and a woman of color has been forced out of a confirmation process even before she was nominated.

She clearly was the president's choice, but I think what happened is that it became untenable, that they began to look through -- the critics began to look through all sorts of other aspects of her background, her finances, the kinds of things that would normally come out in a confirmation but she didn't have the defense, the group around her that you would have if you were the nominee from the White House if you had been vetted and had that whole array of defenses. She was on her own really and left hanging.

Charles Pierce at Esquire:
Congratulations to John McCain and Lindsey Graham. They got the head they wanted for the wall of the He-Man Woman Haters Club. They ginned up a fake controversy, got enough people to buy it, and then got the president to decide that they would be the ones to decide who the next Secretary Of State is. Good job, all of you, including you, Mr. President. Seriously.

And note to John Kerry — don't take the job. Tell your old buddies to stuff it. You don't want to walk into the State Department over a body that's still warm.

Ruth Marcus at The Washington Post:
although I do not think this was conscious on the part of her critics, I cannot help but believe that the attack had something to do with Rice’s gender, and her bristly, non-traditionally feminine demeanor. As I wrote a few weeks ago, “The model of female leader has morphed from Iron Lady to soft power. And the controversy over Rice stems in part from the fact that she does not fit comfortably into this model of collegial, nurturing, division-healing woman.”
Tom DeFrank, USA Today:
There's no doubt Obama's defense of Rice was heartfelt. But any president, even one fresh from a convincing re-election victory, has only so much political capital to expend. He knew Rice's nomination would have precipitated a legislative food fight with Senate Republicans whose goodwill â?? and votes â?? he needs for the titanic budget battles ahead.

He probably could have gotten Rice confirmed by the Senate, but it would have been a Pyrrhic victory, consuming vast sums of political chips as messy confirmation hearings dragged on for weeks.

White House political handlers understood that Rice was simply too much of a liability to Obama's strategic agenda, and his legacy, over the next four years. Simply stated, she flunked the risk-reward test.

Robert Nolan at US News & World Report runs down the women who made their mark in 2012 and explains why we need more female voice:
As a producer of global affairs television programming for the better part of the past decade, I've long been dismayed by the fact that the pool of guests we're often forced to draw from is so heavily male-dominated. In my experience, women tend approach the global challenges America faces through a different prism from men, and not always in ways we might be predetermined to think. In an era when creative thinking is critical to addressing international challenges like the fallout from the Arab Spring, dealing with defense spending cuts and fighting terrorism—not to mention a host of "soft" power challenges like global development and human rights—we need as many policy perspectives as we can get.

 [...] [T]he Beltway brouhaha that has dominated discussion on Rice has largely overshadowed her real achievements in Turtle Bay, where she convinced both Russia and China to support the U.N. Security Council mandate that led to the NATO intervention in Libya. She also was instrumental in pushing for some of the harshest U.N. sanctions against Iran for its suspected nuclear program, and has taken a similarly strong line against the regime of Syrian dictator Bashar Al-Assad.

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    •  And Pres Obama. (4+ / 0-)
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      What a way to start your second term.

      "There are four boxes to use in the defense of liberty: soap, ballot, jury, ammo. Use in that order." Ed Howdershelt

      by Lava20 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:41:50 AM PST

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      •  Everyone has to choose their battles. (14+ / 0-)

        Nobody wins them all. If you feel that you're being "suckered" into a fight, you should be careful. You have to ask if it's worth it.

        Did you see the Russian ambassador on The News Hour last night? He said she was a tough cookie and he was hoping she would move on. She and we might be better off right where she is.

        We're fools whether we dance or not, so we might as well dance.

        by PowWowPollock on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:53:07 AM PST

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        •  Obama needs to stay on the offense. (2+ / 0-)
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          Immigration reform NOW.

          Even before the fiscal cliff thing gets wrapped up.

          Keep the Repubs on their back feet.

          We need the reeling when the SCOTUS seats open up.

          Keep them on the defense.

          Always.

          "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

          by Bush Bites on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:01:22 AM PST

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      •  Power is finite? (3+ / 0-)
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        What I find amazing is the assertion that Obama has some finite number of things he can get done within the scope of McCain's and Graham's good will.  Really, is that the way power works in the current hyper-partisan environment?  There is no good will on which Obama can count.  None from those two, and none from the Republican caucus as a whole.  If nothing else is obvious from the record Republicans have left in this Congress, and from the actions of McCain, Graham, Ayotte, Collins, et al in the pre-nomination fight over Susan Rice, it is that Republicans still intend to obstruct their way into power.  The more they successfully obstruct and achieve their ends, the more their reputation for power grows.  In a world where it is better to be feared than liked, an ugly win is still a win.

        Note: the discussion of finite limits on power doesn't apply to Republicans.  The Villagers think Republicans build power by exercising it.  They're right, power isn't spent.  Power is an image, a reputation.  Exercising power successfully builds that image and reputation, it doesn't fritter it away.  The opposite is also true.  

        Getting a little way into this fight before walking away was sloppy and weak.  Maybe this reflects a transition mentality.  Whatever the cause, Obama needs to adjust the way he delegated and he needs to correct or replace the staff that failed him.  He needs to do all that soon, real soon.  There will be no honeymoon.

        •  And I might add (2+ / 0-)
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          There is no good will on which Obama can count.  None from those two, and none from the Republican caucus as a whole.
          And none from some in his own party who eagerly blame every near-treasonous behavior of Republicans on him.  

          “If we, citizens, do not support our artists, then we sacrifice our imagination on the altar of crude reality and we end up believing in nothing and having worthless dreams.” ~ Yann Martel

          by SottoVoce on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:47:47 AM PST

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        •  walking away from a fight (3+ / 0-)
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          This was a fight that the President could have won and I am dissapointed that in the final analysis he failed to undertake.  You are right.  Walking away from this fight makes him look weak and that is meat for these voracious Republicans.  They respect nothing but strength and he certainly gained nothing, in their eyes, by walking away from the fight.  Frankly, it was an opportunity at the beginning of his second term to demonstrate his will to govern from a position of power.  I am afraid that this opportunity is now lost and the Republicans will see it as just another example of the President caving in the face of bullshit from Fox News and Senator McCain.  Very dissapointing.

        •  But Obama (3+ / 0-)
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          didn't walk away. Rice did. He let her, obviously, but I take it that he was prepared to fight for her nomination HAD HE MADE IT.

          Atlas shrugged. Jesus wept.

          by trevzb on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:28:16 AM PST

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          •  She took one for the team (0+ / 0-)

            Rice took one for the team, a noble act when viewed in isolation.  While I certainly have no inside knowledge about how that came about and I expect to never have any, I can say that more often than not, someone taking one for the team does not do so in isolation.  If it's a team in any real sense, the team is involved.  It was sloppy staff work that let her get to the point where that team sacrifice was apparently the best option.  Obama is in charge, but the details of staff work are not his job.  What is his job is holding those to whom he delegated this work to account.  The easy answer to the question of what to do about it will not serve him, or the nation, well in the coming months.

  •  morning (26+ / 0-)

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:37:39 AM PST

  •  Hoping this opens the eyes (2+ / 0-)
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    of a few as to how we so need to have the best person for the job irregardless of sex.

    Sadly it will probably take more than this.

  •  I have felt from the beginning (17+ / 0-)

    that the right attacked Rice for two reasons-
    1. to keep the Benghazi story alive as long as possible and 2. more importantly, to get Kerry nominated as SOS, and create a Senate vacancy for Scott Brown.

    Progressives will need to work extra hard to put a Dmocrat in the soon to be created seat when confronting the name recognition which Brown has.

    As my father used to say,"We have the best government money can buy."

    by BPARTR on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:39:38 AM PST

  •  Good morning, and Charles Pierce is right (14+ / 0-)

    It would be an equally incredible waste if John Kerry were appointed to the seat and Massachusetts had to have a special election that Scott Brown could run in.  MAYBE if we know that the Governor can appoint himself to the Senate to fill a Kerry vacancy it would be okay, but I'm not even sure about that.

    -7.75, -8.10; All it takes is security in your own civil rights to make you complacent.

    by Dave in Northridge on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:41:08 AM PST

  •  Benghazi story isn't over yet......eh McCain? (1+ / 0-)
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  •  GOP Plan B on Fiscal Bunny Slope (3+ / 0-)
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    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

    Republicans Float Fiscal Cliff Fallback Plan As Deadline Looms: Reports

    With negotiations on how to address the fiscal cliff apparently stalled, congressional Republicans are reportedly floating a fallback plan in both chambers of Congress to avert financial crisis if a deal is not reached. That plan would include ceding to President Obama on letting tax cuts expire for the top two percent of earners, but would also take a more hostile approach to other Democratic proposals.

    Just over two weeks remain until the January 1 deadline, when simultaneous tax hikes and drastic spending cuts are set to kick in. While Obama and House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) have met in person twice this week to discuss the looming crisis, the ongoing negotiations appear to have yielded very little in the way of progress. On Wednesday, Boehner warned House Republicans to not make plans for the upcoming holiday, signaling that there may not be a deal by the end of the year.

    According to the New York Times and the Washington Post, Republican leaders are gearing up for that possibility and proposing an alternate strategy to pursue if a deal does not go through. The Times reports:

       If no deal is reached, Republicans are increasingly talking about a more hostile outcome in which the House passes legislation that extends tax cuts for the middle class, sets relatively low tax rates on dividends, capital gains and inherited estates, and cancels the across-the-board defense cuts, but leaves in place across-the-board domestic cuts. Then House Republicans would engage in what Mr. Boehner, in a private meeting last week, called “trench warfare,” a running battle with the president on spending, first as the government approaches its statutory borrowing limit early next year, then in late March, when a stopgap government spending bill runs out. But such legislation might not be able to pass the Senate, leaving the country no closer to a resolution.

    The 1st Amendment gives you the right to say stupid things, the 1st Amendment doesn't guarantee a paycheck to say stupid things.

    by JML9999 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:51:07 AM PST

  •  Grumpy Old Poltroons (9+ / 0-)

    A couple of grumpy old white men, and legions of their supporters, have confirmed once again that the GOP hates women and people of color.  I'm sure they're feeling very proud of themselves as they and their party continue to swirl down the toilet bowl.  What a pack of despicable cretins.

  •  Republicans should have loved Susan Rice (4+ / 0-)

    while progressives should have opposed her nomination. I'm not shedding any tears over this.

    “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.” – Abraham Lincoln

    by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 04:53:33 AM PST

    •  Radio Wingnut last night: 'I am so happy that (0+ / 0-)

      Rice pulled her name out of contention.'

      •  If the progressive community (3+ / 0-)
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        were doing its job of "holding the President's feet to the fire," the public would have been made aware of the very legitimate reasons to have opposed her nomination rather than the bogus reasons given by Republicans. Instead, the faux left continues to support Obama no matter how far to the right he goes.

        “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.” – Abraham Lincoln

        by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:20:53 AM PST

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        •  The same goes for the "fiscal cliff" bullshit. (0+ / 0-)

          “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.” – Abraham Lincoln

          by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:21:29 AM PST

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        •  OK, I'll bite: (3+ / 0-)
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          the faux left
          Who would that be?  People who disagree with you?

          “If we, citizens, do not support our artists, then we sacrifice our imagination on the altar of crude reality and we end up believing in nothing and having worthless dreams.” ~ Yann Martel

          by SottoVoce on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:51:54 AM PST

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          •  The faux left: (0+ / 0-)

            People who oppose right wing policies when they are initiated by Republicans but who support those same policies when they are put forward by Barack Obama and/or Congressional Democrats.

            “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.” – Abraham Lincoln

            by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:02:38 AM PST

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  •  GOP fantasy (1+ / 0-)
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    Americans are clearly getting sock and tired -- and infuriated -- with a Republican leadership bent on re-litigating the issues decided in the recent presidential election.These meddling conservative thugs and the Tea Party don';t seem to understand what happened in early November. They are operating on the old status quo, probably still believing the lies from Karl Rove that one more count of Ohio ballots will magically lead to a Romney victory. This is conservative fantasy masquerading as a governing philosophy. This country will never truly prosper until the GOP is put in its place and forced to accept reality as it stands. Obama cannot cave now.   -  progressive

  •  Good she pulled out... (0+ / 0-)

    Rice has done an outstanding job at the UN, and should stay there for the next 4 years.
    Maybe she could build 10 more floors on top of the building, and name it the Bolton wing!

  •  This had nothing to do with race or gender (4+ / 0-)
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    and everything to do with a Senate seat for Brown.

    •  I don't think Brown could get elected again by the (0+ / 0-)

      people of Mass. They've seen too much of his little boy act.

      Hope has a hole in it when Republicans come, bringing shackles and sorrow; branding their greed on the backs of the poor. - Wendy Connors

      by Wendys Wink on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:19:39 AM PST

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    •  Agreed (0+ / 0-)

      Hopefully the President will not make this mistake.

      •  This is a HUGE win for the GOP (0+ / 0-)

        if Kerry gets the job.  A lot of people in MASS like Scott Brown.  According to prople I know there, a  lot of the people who voted for Warren would have voted for Scott Brown if he weren't running against a new Dem icon.  A majority didn't vote against, or to get rid of, Scott Brown,...they voted for Warren.

        Remember, Brown was ahead in polls for much of the race, and as late as August.  It's only when the presidential race heated up, and Mass voters decided to get serious about Dem politics, that they decided that Warren was more in their best interests.  There is no more Elizabeth Warren to run against Scott Brown, and the next election will take place during a non-presidential year, with no Obama coattails.  

        If Kerry takes this job, Scott Brown is the odds on favorite to get his seat.

  •  I just heard Stephanie Cutter say Pete Petersen (0+ / 0-)

    is the guy to look to when determining appropriate actions for the fiscal cliff...

    why is this our team?

    "Small Businesses Don't Build Levees" - Melissa Harris Perry

    by justmy2 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:04:45 AM PST

    •  Because "our team" (2+ / 0-)
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      really isn't "our team" if by "our team" you mean the working class and/or progressive community. We're being played by both parties.

      “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.” – Abraham Lincoln

      by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:13:57 AM PST

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    •  If she said this then she's either an idiot (0+ / 0-)

      or a shill, which is just a different kind of idiot. Petersen wants to destroy all entitlement programs and privatize most of government. She may as well have been citing Ron Paul or Ayn Rand.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:48:45 AM PST

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  •  Dear PBO.....you don't owe John McCain a damn (3+ / 0-)
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    thing....or that little twerp Lindsey Graham.

  •  Rice was a cheerleader for war. (2+ / 0-)
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    Yes, Rice was a Democrat, a woman, and an African-American. But the unfair grounds on which the Republicans chose to attack her, obscured the fact that she has reflexively supported  every major armed intervention of the last twenty years. I would like to see, and I suspect many Kossacks would like to see, a Secretary of State who has displayed the past good judgement to have been right on Iraq before the fact.

  •  I normally like Charlie Pierce (2+ / 0-)
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    this time not so much a bit over the top and tad too hyperbolic.

    And I still say she leaves the White House today as NSA thus giving the finger to the Grumpy and Butters

    The 47% also "pay all the taxes that are legally required and not a dollar more" but when Romney does it he thinks it's a virtue, while when they do it, he thinks they are deadbeats.

    by jsfox on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:07:12 AM PST

  •  Here's Bill Black (0+ / 0-)

    with the best explanation of the "fiscal cliff" bullshit I've yet seen. Warning, people who buy into the Obama and Democrats need to "continue to stand firm" against the Republicans won't like this.

    “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.” – Abraham Lincoln

    by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:11:22 AM PST

    •  What's the gist for those who can't watch it? (0+ / 0-)

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:44:14 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  The transcript is posted at (0+ / 0-)

        “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.” – Abraham Lincoln

        by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:07:55 AM PST

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        •  Thanks (0+ / 0-)

          But it would have been so hard to boil it down to how Black contends that Obama is not only willing, but eager, to drastically cut entitlement programs, be it out of a genuine belief that this would be good policy, or out of some combination of political weakness, craveness, or vanity? Because that was the gist of it.

          Incidentally, although I've been vocal here in condemning any move on the part of Obama towards cutting these programs (in ways that harm beneficiaries or otherwise weaken them, and not in ways that make them more cost-effective and efficient and thus stronger), I've yet to see any indication that he'd really do this. We'll never know if that 2011 offer was for real or a bluff (let alone whether Dems would allow it). And, apparently, such cuts are once again off the table.

          It may well be that Obama really is willing, if not eager, to hurt these programs. Or it may be that he's bluffing. A dangerous and perhaps foolish bluff, but still a bluff. I have no way of knowing. Although, of course, he is often praised by his supporters for allegedly saying what he means (which, though, is belied by the facts). And many of his appointments and public statements certainly reinforce the fear that he's ok with slashing these programs.

          In any case, I hope he's a smart enough politician to know that if he ends up cutting these programs in ways that hurt beneficiaries, it'll destroy his legacy and cause massive political damage to Dems. AND be horrible policy on its face.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:43:15 AM PST

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          •  I suspect (0+ / 0-)

            that he'll have the cuts enacted in such a way that the worst of their effects occur after he's left office.

            “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.” – Abraham Lincoln

            by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 03:17:48 PM PST

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  •  McCain sickens me to the core. (8+ / 0-)

    It doesn't matter that he's a republican--he's an international embarrassment.  He's always been the first to tout himself as a big war hero, and has demanded respect and recognition for that, even as he was doing and saying things that were far from helpful to America's interests.  His glory days are over, and his legacy is shaping up as one word: BIGFUCKINGLOSER    

  •  PBO should nominate Elizabeth Warren for Sec. (3+ / 0-)
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    of the Treasury, just to piss off the children of the Senate.

    Hope has a hole in it when Republicans come, bringing shackles and sorrow; branding their greed on the backs of the poor. - Wendy Connors

    by Wendys Wink on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:15:28 AM PST

  •  Rice has been protecting Rwanda (1+ / 0-)
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    and its president, Paul Kagame, despite their loathsome role in the Congo war.   Does it btoher anyone that she Kagame’s government was her client when she worked at Intellibridge, a strategic analysis firm in Washington?

    Forget about who her enemies are.  She is no friend of human rights or peace.  We can do better.

    •  exactly (0+ / 0-)

      Kerry, for all his faults, is much better

    •  I'm thinking that the right thing happened (2+ / 0-)
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      Even if for the wrong reasons. Question is whether the eventual nominee will be any better. I don't want Kerry to leave the senate. And Secretary of State as a consolation prize for failed Democratic presidential contenders? What about Al Gore? Hmm, actually, that's not a bad idea come to think of it.

      Although, I wouldn't be surprised if it's a Repub like Hagel or Lugar.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:43:15 AM PST

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      •  I'd love to see Gore (1+ / 0-)
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        as Secy. of State. It would help raise the stature of the climate and the environment on the international stage.

        Atlas shrugged. Jesus wept.

        by trevzb on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:47:37 AM PST

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        •  I can think of few more suitable nominees (1+ / 0-)
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          from a political and qualification perspective. It would make for 3 Nobel prize winners in the administration--4 if Obama would appoint Krugman to head the CEA (he'd never get Treasury of course).

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:06:07 AM PST

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          •  Gore would never take it (0+ / 0-)

            He'd have to take an enormous pay cut!  Plus, he's the saviour of the planet.  That's a much bigger job than trying to solve the middle east peace process.

            •  Since when was the SoS's primary if not only (0+ / 0-)

              duty to resolve the I-P problem? There are tons of other, more momentous issues to deal with, like global warming, deforestation, pollution, human trafficking, drug trade, labor abuse, nuclear proliferation, Islamist militancy, etc. All of which Gore has vast experience with, as a former congressman, senator and VP.

              He's no longer Marty Peretz's boy, in case you haven't noticed.

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:00:00 AM PST

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  •  Bill Clinton (4+ / 0-)
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    We need to keep John Kerry in the Senate. What do you think about Bill Clinton as Secretary of State?

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    by JayC on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:24:51 AM PST

    •  Ugh (1+ / 0-)
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      “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.” – Abraham Lincoln

      by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:30:23 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yet Bill Clinton (0+ / 0-)

        would likely be no worse than any other of the warmongering SOS's we're likely to end up with.

        “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.” – Abraham Lincoln

        by Sagebrush Bob on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:32:15 AM PST

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    •  excellent choice if he would take the job but his (0+ / 0-)

      health is not great. his nomination would have the right chewing nails.

    •  It would be an excellent choice, particularly (0+ / 0-)

      given the Middle East.

      "Let's see what fresh fuckwittery these dolts can contrive to torment themselves with this time." -- Iain Banks, The Hydrogen Sonata

      by Rikon Snow on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:36:00 AM PST

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    •  Richard Clarke (3+ / 0-)
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      former National Coordinator for Security, Infrastructure Protection, and Counter-terrorism for the United States

      "Lets show the rascals what Citizens United really means."

      by smiley7 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:56:50 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Bill Clinton is the only one (0+ / 0-)

        who might actually be able to bring peace to the middle east.  The Right wants Kerry for obvious reasons.  In fact, if I were McConnell, I'd leak to PBO that Kerry will be approved 100-0, and anybody else is in for a huge bloodbath of a fight.

        If PBO makes clear that Kerry won;t be nominated, then I think Bill Clinton could have bipartisan support.  But, I don't think he really likes Obama that much (despite being a good soldier during the campaign).  Obama cost him and Hillary 8 more years of being president - and they were "inevitable", too.  I doubt he/she will ever really get over that.  I think he'd turn it down.  

  •  I don't think Kerry will do the right thing. (1+ / 0-)
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    He wants the job too bad.

    Anyway, does Markey have a chance of beating the centerfold?

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:31:25 AM PST

  •  Woman of color? There's some hypocrisy for you (1+ / 0-)
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    Democrats had no problem shooting down Bush nominee
    janice Brown, who was also a woman of color.

    At least the Republicans haven't suggested that Rice is some less evolved form of human, unlike Ted Kennedy, who called Brown a neanderthal.

    They also had a field day over the original woman of color SOS candidate named Rice, although she prevailed and was confirmed.

    And that's without even mentioning people like Miguel Estrada.

    Oops...mentioned him.

    Isn't it about time that Democrats walk the walk they talk, and get past making every freakin' issue a racial one?

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:33:30 AM PST

    •  Bush had a woman of color as SOS. (0+ / 0-)

      You might have read about it.

      "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

      by Bush Bites on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:37:14 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Yes he did. (0+ / 0-)

        Republicans supported her.

        Had you read my post, you might have noticed this:

        They also had a field day over the original woman of color SOS candidate named Rice, although she prevailed and was confirmed.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:52:56 AM PST

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    •  You're fucking kidding right? (4+ / 0-)

      Miguel Estrada?  Maybe the Dems objected him because he was an unqualified hack and a partisan.

      Condi Rice?  Ms Mushroom clouds?  BWAAAAHHH.  Maybe the Dems opposed her because SHE WAS A FUCKING LIAR.

      janice Brown?  Are you fucking serious?  She's a radical Ayn Rand loving Federalist Society Libertarian.  Maybe she was opposed because she's a fucking extremist loon.

      This is now what 3, 4 African Americans torpedoed by the Republicans?  Not to mention all the racist bullshit the guy at the top of the administration has had to endure for over 4 years now.  

      And let's not go there on women and all the attacks they have sustained in the last 4 years.  Just ask Sandra Fluke about the warm reception she got from the Republican led House.  

      Seriously if you're going to accuse Dems of hypocrisy come up with something better cause all you have at this point is bullshit and it stinks.

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:48:10 AM PST

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      •  Do you know what hypocrisy is? (1+ / 0-)
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        I have no problem at all with Democrats objecting to Republican nominees on the issues, on their character, etc.

        Democrats, however, can't seem to grasp the possibility of objecting to a nominee for something other than race.

        You guys can talk the talk, but you can't walk the walk.

        Can you even imagine what the outcry would be if John McCain called Susan Rice a Neanderthal?

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:55:31 AM PST

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    •  You have evidence they opposed these people (1+ / 0-)
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      because of their gender and/or race? Do you?

      If not, kindly STFU and go away.

      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

      by kovie on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:35:44 AM PST

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      •  Gosh, wasn't that my point? (0+ / 0-)

        Perhaps you should learn to read more carefully.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:42:28 AM PST

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        •  No, it wasn't (0+ / 0-)

          Your point is that Dems are making this about race, when you have zero evidence of this. Commenters on a blog is not evidence of anything.

          "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

          by kovie on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:50:14 AM PST

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          •  Really? Really? (1+ / 0-)
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            Nor Andrea Mitchell's reference to "a woman of color"?
            Or the other pundits kvetching about Rice's gender playing a role?

            (let's see --- 3 of the last 4 SOS to serve more than 1 day (ie, not Bill Burns) have been women, and not a single one of them as been a white man)

            You guys don't mind equating the rantings of Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Glenn Beck, Nutball pastors and the like with the GOP, same should apply.

            Besides, since when did such people act in a vacuum?
            Or are Democratic politicians really stupid and not know how to work the press.  That would be hard proposition to sell given the last few elections.

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:05:02 AM PST

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            •  Andrea Mitchell is a Democratic politician? (0+ / 0-)

              News to me.

              "You guys"?

              Why are you still here?

              "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

              by kovie on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:30:23 AM PST

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              •  Democrats does not equal Democratic Politicians (0+ / 0-)

                If so, there wouldn't be any Democratic politicians because there wouldn't be enough votes to put them into office.

                LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                by dinotrac on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:05:05 AM PST

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                •  Ok this is just silly now (0+ / 0-)

                  Good day.

                  "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                  by kovie on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 08:06:49 AM PST

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                  •  This has NOTHING to do with race (0+ / 0-)

                    or gender.  This has been in the works since the first news broke on Bengazi (Sp?).  The GOP wants Kerry for SOS.  They want Kerry's seat.  They have an actual chance to get it, and they are going for it.  Rice just got in the way and had to be rolled.  It didn't really matter if she was purple or green.    

                    •  Which has been my point (0+ / 0-)

                      If some people on either side want to make fools of themselves by claiming that it was about either, or exaggerating how much some people have made it about either, then that's their right, but it doesn't change the reality of it.

                      "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

                      by kovie on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 09:01:35 AM PST

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  •  Venting (2+ / 0-)
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    I've got up a head of steam. Rice loses, the President loses, the Democratic Party loses. The right wing wins another one and makes the President look weak. Prepare for more of this because they just held another hostage and made the President shoot her. Win all the way around for them--perhaps another with a Scott Brown second coming. Some argue the President simply hadn't made up his mind between two qualified candidates. Well, why hadn't he? From supposedly not making up his mind, he left a qualified woman swinging in the breeze. Once he saw the rabid foam from McCain, he should have made up his mind one way or another and come out swinging. Some say he would have had to spend too much political capital even though he could have probably gotten Rice confirmed. WHAT? We could have won this and didn't go for it? What kind of crap argument is that? Last thing Obama needs to do now is appoint Kerry.

    "Whenever a fellow tells me he's bipartisan, I know he's going to vote against me."-- Harry S. Truman

    by irmaly on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:41:35 AM PST

  •  kerry needs to stay in massachusetts (1+ / 0-)
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    pick someone else, ok? preferably someone i've never heard of who is smart and capable

    Coming Attraction: "Tea Party II - now with more stupid!"

    by memofromturner on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:43:17 AM PST

  •  Look who didn't like Susan Rice! (2+ / 0-)
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    John McCain, graduating embarrassingly low in his class, a board-certified "maverick," criticized her intelligence. Susan Collins - whose fellow Republican, UN Ambassador Colin Powell, went to the UN floor with a text he'd questioned based on very tenuous intelligence - criticized her for appearing on Sunday morning Washington TV after the Benghazi attack and "still has many questions." She wanted Rice "to be angrier" about the early intelligence she received(how does she know?). Collins and the foreign affairs expert Kelly Ayotte (who knew?) "were even more troubled" after meeting with Amb. Rice to discuss their challenges. Then there's Lindsay Graham, a military chest-thumper whose seems to favor abusing POWs with relative impunity and whose gripe was, is and ever shall remain the handling of Benghazi as if we attacked ourselves.

    All relentlessly piling on a continuing void of intelligence about what really happened and who's responsible. (On this, I do fault the administration. Libya may not be cooperating with our search for truth, but taking so long to release anything sensible has given the echo chamber(s) far too long to make a mosh of it.)

    Shameful, every one. Not a statesman or -woman in that pack. Not a single one fit to hold Susan Rice's coat while she enters the ring with foreign emissaries who might have some respect for "a very blunt woman" but who surely disregard any one who wasn't. What, they think Hillary Clinton isn't "blunt?" Or John Bolton wasn't?

    2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

    by TRPChicago on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:45:11 AM PST

    •  But John Bolton doesn't have a vagina (2+ / 0-)
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      Shameful, every one. Not a statesman or -woman in that pack. Not a single one fit to hold Susan Rice's coat while she enters the ring with foreign emissaries who might have some respect for "a very blunt woman" but who surely disregard any one who wasn't. What, they think Hillary Clinton isn't "blunt?" Or John Bolton wasn't?
      And he has a big stupid moustache.

      This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

      by DisNoir36 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:50:49 AM PST

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    •  I don't like her as SoS either (0+ / 0-)

      much prefer Kerry, to both Rice & HRC.

    •  A quibble (0+ / 0-)
      All relentlessly piling on a continuing void of intelligence about what really happened and who's responsible.
      I don't think it's that there's a void of intelligence about what happened and who's responsible. I think the intelligence community, for reasons of its own, would simply rather not have that known. That's been obvious from the beginning, to me, right up to where the Republicans outed the CIA operation in Benghazi accidentally during Cantor's dog-and-pony show.

      Atlas shrugged. Jesus wept.

      by trevzb on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 07:52:49 AM PST

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      •  For whatever reason, the administration ... (0+ / 0-)

        .. isn't releasing more.

        It's a consulate with a small staff in a country riven by violence. And an ambassador whose specialty was traveling about the country, encouraging the rebels (many of whom regarded him as a hero, apparently). He reportedly preferred to blend in and did not want an entourage around him.

        That doesn't explain what happened, but it does set the stage for inexplicably poor security around him and the staff of the consulate.

        Libya is a situation like Pakistan or Afghanistan where divining friends from our enemies is very problematic and probably changes from day to day. In a situation like that, coming up with a thorough report on "exactly" what happened and who is responsible is not like investigating a shooting in Connecticut.

        The main point is that none of this is in Susan Rice's domain. She was put on the spot to be the front person here and then attacked (that is a fair word, I think) mercilessly by small, old, weak, irresponsible Republicans pursuing an agenda that had nothing to do with Ambassador Rice.

        2014 IS COMING. Build up the Senate. Win back the House : 17 seats. Plus!

        by TRPChicago on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 04:18:04 AM PST

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  •  Dare one point out that this Rice is as bad as the (1+ / 0-)
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    other Rice when it comes to, as she puts it, putting "our nation’s interests must be put ahead of individual ones." National interest apparently being defined as affection for wars of choice, imperial aspirations and interferences, pro-corporate enrichment policies, and suchlike. And maybe not in the case of the Benghazi talking points but certainly elsewhere, that kind of elastic attention to truthiness that had run us ordinary people into the present debased state of world participation via attempted domination, and of course a trillion a year in "military" spending. That for some reason, despite the huge idiocy and futility of the vast mass of it, is nowhere to be seen "on the table," to be cut along with the shreds of the Safety Net in pursuit of Austerity that does not affect the Villagers in the least. For some reason. Or other.

    Right result, IMO, for the wrong reasons. And who are the alternatives? And gee, what will happen in the MA senate spot now, again?

    "Is that all there is?" Peggy Lee.

    by jm214 on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:53:03 AM PST

    •  Ed Markey for Senate. (0+ / 0-)

      And, you know, I tell everybody who thinks Rice is too hawkish the same thing:

      Everything you say about Rice could have been said about Hillary and she's been a fine SOS.

      "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

      by Bush Bites on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 05:55:50 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  But, Hillary has really behaved herself (0+ / 0-)

        in order to keep her options open for 2016 (and maybe even for 2012, had things gone horribly wrong for Obama).  I am one who doesn't think she'll run, and who thinks she'll lose the GE if she is nominated.  That said, she certainly didn't make any mistakes at SOS.

  •  Question for Charlie Pierce (0+ / 0-)

    as a progressive who believes Obama's drone wars are every bit as criminal as Bush's, why should I be unhappy Rice will not be Sec of State?  She, like Hillary, is a a war hawk.  

    I don't think Kerry is anywhere near as hawkish as Rice and his nomination would bring into this Administration, at long last, the views of someone who has seen the horrors of war up close & personal.

    So what if McCain and a manned up Lindsay made it happen.  In my view, they did us all a favor.

  •  I hope Rice dissapointment turns like Warren. (1+ / 0-)
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    They may wish Rice was Sec of State.

    Hey, GOP - Get In, Sit Down, Shut up, & Hang On!

    by 88kathy on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:17:49 AM PST

  •  Does this mean that McCain & Graham will now (0+ / 0-)

    oppose Warren's nomination to the senate (also known as being elected to it)? Will they now oppose Michelle Obama's being first lady? Bo as first dog?

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 06:32:52 AM PST

  •  Happy Day (1+ / 0-)
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    Looks like we'll get another chance to crush Republicans at the ballot box. Is it possible they'll lose Senate elections in MA twice in less than a year?

  •  SecofState Kerry = Senator Scott Brown (0+ / 0-)

    I know this has been said a lot, but it bears repeating, especially since folks outside of MA don't entirely believe...Scott Brown will absolutely, no doubt, win a special election for Kerry's seat. It would be a terrible waste to work so hard to defeat him, just to hand him a new seat a year later.

    Sen. Kerry should stick with the job that he was hired to perform, and Pres. Obama should pay attention to the realities on the ground here in MA.

    •  I'm in MA. I'm not so sure. (0+ / 0-)

      I think it's overstating things to think that Brown can stage a comeback, even in a special election. Brown's image has been genuinely damaged by the Warren campaign; are Massachusetts Republicans going to go all out to get him another half-term, when they might have a better shot with another candidate, like Retread Bill Weld?

      •  Brown would be a strong candidate (1+ / 0-)
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        He lost an election to a new liberal icon in a presidential election year when Obama surged, and had coattails nationwide.  He's also pretty much innoculated against the same attacks Warrren used.  He remains popular, and didn't really cast any big deal-breaker votes with moderate MA Dems.  He's well liked.  And, as we saw in the Dem primary against Warren, there really are only midgets remaining to challenge Brown - and on very short notice, right?  This election would be this spring??  Brown would have an enormous name-rec advantage over any challengers.

        And, as my MA friends tell me, a lot of voters in MA actually felt bad about having to vote against Brown.  A lot of them feel like they owe him something, and giving him this consolation prize would assuage their consciences.

        •  Yes, Brown has name recognition; (0+ / 0-)

          but I don't feel the potential challengers for this special election would be quite the pygmies you make them out to be. Someone like Ed Markey has been around since 1974, and is well-known with a wide swath of voters across the state. Joseph P. Kennedy III, though young, is old enough to be a senator, would eliminate the name rec advantage, and could waste Brown even in an off-election year. Even a lesser light like Capuano has a large bloc of urban votes to draw on and plenty of money in the bank.

  •  Oh well. (0+ / 0-)

    It could have been worse. (And it still could be if we lose Kerry's Senate seat). But if Rice had been nominated and lost, that would have been baaaad. And if Rice had been confirmed but then some other bad thing (large or small) happened on her watch Fox News would have hounded her for months. So I admit that I am a bit relieved now that McCain has this taken away from him and has nothing left to do but go yell at clouds. And Lindsey can go get a massage from his meth dealer or whatever.

  •  Obama caved (0+ / 0-)

    Obama's failure to defend Rice feeds the perception that the president may talk a good game, but will cave under pressure. He's a talker not a brawler.

    As Dan Rather said on MSNBC, it shows that "President Obama can be rolled for his wallet and his watch. He's not a guy that's going to put up much of a fight."

    http://www.usatoday.com/...

    "Your victory has demonstrated that no person anywhere in the world should not dare to dream of wanting to change the world for a better place." -- Mandela

    by agoldnyc on Fri Dec 14, 2012 at 11:26:54 AM PST

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