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1. Do you think the Sandy Hook shooting will actually result in meaningful gun control legislation?

2. Do you think the NRA will roll over for gun control advocates? Remembering, they spent $17M in 2012 alone to advocate for access to guns.

3. Do you think Republicans politicians will be honest brokers in any gun control legislation process?

4. If Republicans won't negotiate meaningfully, what's to be done by Democrat lawmakers?

5. Will the White House has the actual strength of will to advocate for meaningful gun control?

6. If the White House won't risk it's political capital on gun control, what should advocates do?

7. Why does it take a white kid shooting other white kids to make the nation discuss gun control? Remember that Sandy Hook accounts for 0.3% of handgun murders in America in 2012 (9000) and in 2008 alone, 20,000 kids were injured by guns in America.

8. Are you willing to accept things staying the way they are? Or getting worse?

9. What ideas do YOU have to fix the gun problem in the US?

10. Should Democrats campaign on gun control in 2014?

Bonus Question: Would you vote for someone based purely on their gun control stance?

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  •  Interesting questions (4+ / 0-)
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    riottapes, Mostel26, Chi, Sophie Amrain

    1. Do you think the Sandy Hook shooting will actually result in meaningful gun control legislation?

    Maybe. I think the age of the victims has hit people around the nation hard.

    2. Do you think the NRA will roll over for gun control advocates? Remembering, they spent $17M in 2012 alone to advocate for access to guns.

    They won't. Their minions are already TV advocating for vigilantism.  BUT at least one gun-control organizations quoted in a news story reported a surge in donations today.

    3. Do you think Republicans politicians will be honest brokers in any gun control legislation process?

    Probably not. They can't be honest about taxes -- why would they be honest about this?

    4. If Republicans won't negotiate meaningfully, what's to be done by Democrat lawmakers?

    Democrats should try to push something through and let Republicans explain why they block it.  The Senate can probably pass something; House, not so much.

    5. Will the White House has the actual strength of will to advocate for meaningful gun control?

    I hope so.

    6. If the White House won't risk it's political capital on gun control, what should advocates do?

    Like Carolyn Mahoney said "take the gloves off" and stop being so nice about this issue. Speak the truth over and over again.

    7. Why does it take a white kid shooting other white kids to make the nation discuss gun control? Remember that Sandy Hook accounts for 0.3% of handgun murders in America in 2012 (9000) and in 2008 alone, 20,000 kids were injured by guns in America.

    I think the age of the victims is more salient today.

    8. Are you willing to accept things staying the way they are? Or getting worse?

    No. Hate it.

    9. What ideas do YOU have to fix the gun problem in the US?

    I wrote a couple of diaries already. I think the Prez should create a task force on mass shootings to come up with recommendations in the next 6 months. Some public service advertiser should launch an anti-violence campaign targeting the gun industry, and educating the average citizens on the truth about guns.

    10. Should Democrats campaign on gun control in 2014?

    Who knows? Too early to tell.

    Bonus Question: Would you vote for someone based purely on their gun control stance?

    Not that alone. But I'd have a hard time voting for a progressive who was lax on guns.

    The civil rights, gay rights and women's movements, designed to allow others to reach for power previously grasped only by white men, have made a real difference, and the outlines of 21st century America have emerged. -- Paul West of LA Times

    by LiberalLady on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 01:25:53 AM PST

  •  Just like FDR and the labor movement (1+ / 0-)
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    Sophie Amrain

    FDR said to Sidney Hillman and other labor leaders in 1932, "I agree with you, I want to do it. Now make me do it."

    If people march in the streets across America, it can get done. If no one cares, we will ask each other this same question in 6 months when another nut-job kills 20 random people.


    i just baptized andrew breitbart into the church of islam, planned parenthood, the girl scouts and three teachers unions. - @blainecapatch

    by bobinson on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 02:03:35 AM PST

  •  I don't think they'll do anything. (2+ / 0-)
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    Chi, riottapes

    One of their own got shot and .......crickets, as far as legislation. They had a nice send off and formal get well posturing, but no legislation.

  •  Responses and ideas (4+ / 0-)
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    jiffykeen, OooSillyMe, Chi, murrayewv

    1. Do you think the Sandy Hook shooting will actually result in meaningful gun control legislation?
    Yes.  Sandy Hook may well be the Tet Offensive of firearms regulation - the point where the majority of people rise up and say enough is enough.

    2. Do you think the NRA will roll over for gun control advocates? Remembering, they spent $17M in 2012 alone to advocate for access to guns.
    Let them spend - it is absolutely ineffective in actually affecting the outcome of Congressional races (The Myth of NRA Dominance)

    3. Do you think Republicans politicians will be honest brokers in any gun control legislation process?
    No, but neither will the Democrats.

    4. If Republicans won't negotiate meaningfully, what's to be done by Democrat lawmakers?
    See #9 below.

    5. Will the White House has the actual strength of will to advocate for meaningful gun control?
    Yes.

    6. If the White House won't risk it's political capital on gun control, what should advocates do?
    Make him do it - just as he has asked.

    7. Why does it take a white kid shooting other white kids to make the nation discuss gun control? Remember that Sandy Hook accounts for 0.3% of handgun murders in America in 2012 (9000) and in 2008 alone, 20,000 kids were injured by guns in America.
    I really don't know - I have been arguing for greater regulation for 40 years.

    8. Are you willing to accept things staying the way they are? Or getting worse?
    No - hell no.

    9. What ideas do YOU have to fix the gun problem in the US?
    This is long, and will not fix all the problems, but it is a start:
    1.    Strengthen the NICS database by provision of adequate funding to the states to enable them to bring their records current and enter the data into the national database. This would have an ancillary benefit in that it would likely create several thousand jobs across the country for several years and could be further utilized as a re-training tool for those who have lost work in other industries.  If states refuse to comply, or remain in non-compliance after an extended period of time in which to accomplish the objectives, suspend the availability for all NICS checks for that state until they are in compliance, a move that would be very controversial but would likely motivate the law-abiding owners and dealers in such a state to demand action.
    2.    Expand the NICS requirements to include all firearm sales, including private sales, which could be accomplished by (a) requiring gun show promoters to have onsite capabilities for running a NICS check, and (b) requiring that buyers in straight private sales obtain a NICS clearance document from a local office of a law enforcement agency, a post office, or a gun shop and providing the same to the seller before taking possession of the weapon.  Gun shops would be required to provide NICS services with respect to private sales on the same conditions as sales from their inventory or an established nominal fee.
    3.    To obtain a permit to carry a concealed weapon, an applicant must pass a comprehensive background investigation – not just a 3 day federal NISC and state CJ database checks, but a full background investigation conducted in compliance with uniform standards. If the background investigation process meets federally established standards, then the CCW permit should be valid nationwide. Applicants have the right to appeal denials to a court.
    4.    Successful completion of an official class room course of instruction which covers the state and federal (and municipal where applicable) laws concerning ownership and use of weapons.
    5.    Successful completion of a proficiency course in the use of that particular weapon conducted by an authorized law enforcement agency – if you buy a different weapon, you have to qualify with it.  Law enforcement would be entitled to keep a fired round for use in future criminal investigations.
    6.    No sale or transfer of any weapon without a security device, i.e., trigger lock, locking cable, biometric device, etc., and a list of any locally accepted weapons security standards. Somewhere in the range of 600,000 weapons are stolen each year in the US - guns that are now by definition in the hands of criminals.  Security devices can be overcome, but having such devices and following the standards will reduce the number significantly.
    7.    Imposition of a strict liability standard as concerns any use of the weapon, by you or anyone else.  If a criminal steals your weapon from your home, car, business, or person, and subsequently commits a crime with it, you are liable.  You have the availability of an affirmative defense: if you can prove that you fully complied with generally accepted security and safety practices for weapons and ammunition in your locale, (trigger lock, locking cable, gun safe, etc.), then your liability will be eliminated.
    8.    Mandatory purchase of a liability insurance policy or homeowner/tenant policy rider covering that weapon, to ensure that substantial resources exist in the event of a finding of liability for misuse.  Lifetime care for one single victim can run into the millions of dollars, and rarely do such resources exist without liability insurance coverage. If the insurance is canceled for any reason, the weapon(s) are impounded until proof of insurance is produced.  If your weapon is stolen, the insurance must be maintained until the weapon is recovered by law enforcement.  If you sell a weapon and provide proof (i.e. the buyer’s NICS approval document) then you can have the weapon removed from your policy, or cancel the policy if you have no other covered weapons.
    9.    States and municipalities can impose reasonable restrictions on carrying of weapons after public consultations concerning the proposed restrictions. What is fine for rural areas of the US may well not be acceptable in high-density urban areas, and it should be left to the states and cities to determine what is acceptable. There are many places in the US where the population density is less than 1 person per square mile while in NYC it is over 66,000 for the same area; it simply does not make sense that regulations which are sufficient for low-density rural areas are remotely adequate for the more densely populated cities. It is the responsibility of the individual to know the regulations in effect in a particular jurisdiction before carrying a weapon there. States and municipalities must make such ordinances widely available (i.e. on a national government website, their own websites, and/or upon request) in order to enforce the restrictions.

    10. Should Democrats campaign on gun control in 2014?
    Yes - based on what I have read, it would be a plus in any district where they have a reasonable chance to start with.

    Bonus Question: Would you vote for someone based purely on their gun control stance?
    Absolutely

    I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

    by Wayward Wind on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 04:12:25 AM PST

    •  Can I ask you.. (0+ / 0-)

      Without in anyway being a smartass...

      How would any of your changes to the law have stopped Sandy Hook?

      •  The only ones that might (1+ / 0-)
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        murrayewv

        have had an impact would be the ones dealing with security of weapons and ammunition - the guns belonged to the mother, but apparently the sons had ready access to them.

        Would not have stopped the shooter from acquiring his own weapons, but a comprehensive background investigation might have.

        None of the suggestions above are meant to be a complete panacea; the advantage lies in the fact that all of the suggestions are well within the parameters of the Second Amendment rulings by the Supreme Court and will likely prevent some future incidents.

        I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

        by Wayward Wind on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 05:47:50 AM PST

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        •  I really (0+ / 0-)

          wasn't trying to in any way dismiss your ideas, as they all seem reasonable...

          My only reason for asking was that I think, personally, that anything less than a total ban in America will stop these sorts of things... and cynically I think that will never happen.

          Thanks again!

          •  A total ban (2+ / 0-)
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            riottapes, murrayewv

            would likely stop the overwhelming majority of mass shootings, but instituting such a ban would be highly impractical.  Even here on DK, there are folks who have flat out stated that they would not comply, let alone the RW gun nuts.

            What I was looking for were steps that could be taken within existing laws, and which might be amenable to public support.

            I am a warrior for peace. And not a gentle man... Steve Mason, 1940-2005

            by Wayward Wind on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 06:13:20 AM PST

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            •  Stopping the overwhelming majority (1+ / 0-)
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              Wayward Wind

              of mass shooting should be the goal...

              That being said, I agree it's politically unachievable..

              Shame the standard has to be what percentage of 20K kids can we protect without hurting ourselves politically. Instead of: how do we stop this, period.

  •  Good questions. (1+ / 0-)
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    riottapes

    I made very long answers and then decided to put them into a diary by itself.

    In short I think we have a good chance to achieve something. The case is cleaner than previous ones (killed small children tugs at the heartstrings of nearly everybody, even otherwise callous people) and the President can do more than before his re-election. But we need to play it right.

    He who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.

    by Sophie Amrain on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 05:17:40 AM PST

    •  Can I ask you one more question? (0+ / 0-)

      What law would've stopped Sandy Hook from happening?

      Pretend you had a time machine (and a magic wand) and could've passed any law ten years ago; what law would've stopped Sandy Hook from happening?

      •  Many could have. (0+ / 0-)

        Since the guns were owned by the mother, anything that would have gotten the guns out of the house or prevented her from buying them in the first place could have.

        That could vary from a tax surcharge on guns, ammo, or even high licensing fees to draconian bans.

        Many things could have worked.

  •  A Buyback Program would work. (1+ / 0-)
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    riottapes

    Many people who own guns currently own them not because they really want them in the house, but because OTHER people have them, and many criminals have them. Some people are invested in guns and ammo because of the 'arms race' which has allowed proliferation.

    Solution: A substantial gun and ammo tax to support a Federal Buyback Program.

    People who feel they must purchase guns, become invested, and then discover the threats within their own home to ownership, including the possibility of theft, want to be rid of the things. We can reduce the number of guns, and make new gun purchases more expensive, reducing demand. Market forces and all that.

    By the way, this has worked in Australia, a country similar to ours in history, timing, attitude and size, if not population. And they are VERY close to threats from the outside; during WW2, they have been invaded not in theory but in fact by Japanese forces, and faced the threat in reality of being overtaken. We have no such threat, and yet we persist in the National Defense Myth.

    Figures don't lie, but liars do figure-Mark Twain

    by OregonOak on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 07:12:12 AM PST

  •  Answer to #9 (0+ / 0-)

    As I say in my book: "Is America Stupid?" which I just lowered to $.99 just so people will read the GUNS chapter, Gun Checkpoints.

    There are sobriety checkpoints, why not gun checkpoints. It's not like you see them all the time. They're not that inconvenient. Even when I used to go out at night to parties or bars, I think I experienced 2 of them in my entire life. And they're incredibly fair, no racial profiling. Everyone has to go through them.

    Because of this national epidemic, do one a week. Close down a few exits of a freeway so no one can avoid them. 1000 cars can't avoid them. Divert the other cars behind them to prior exits. Give the cars an immediate choice. Turn over your illegal guns and you either get a small or no penalty. But if you are searched and any illegal weapon is found, then the penalty is harsh, extremely harsh.

    1000 cars at 10 P.M. on a Friday evening. How many illegal guns do you think that will net?

    What do you think?

    Website

    Is America Stupid?: Legitimate Rape, an Illegitimate President, and the Politics of Nonsense- www.isamericastupid.com

    by sfreeman614 on Sat Dec 15, 2012 at 03:19:16 PM PST

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