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Congressional Republicans are starting to step up to let the public know what they'll do to prevent more events like the massacre at Sandy Hook Elementary School. And while Republicans are sad and serious about it and say they'd like to prevent mass shootings, they certainly won't be joining Democrats in calling for changes in gun laws. Not an assault weapons ban, not a ban on the high-capacity magazines that put the mass in mass shootings.

Virginia representative and incoming House Judiciary Committee Chair Robert Goodlatte:

“We’re going to take a look at what happened there and what can be done to help avoid it in the future, but gun control is not going to be something that I would support,” he said.
North Carolina Rep. Virginia Foxx:
“There are just evil people in the world and nothing you are going to do is going to prevent evil sometimes from occurring,” she said. “There ought to be a debate on the whole thing that happened, the full complement, not just guns.”
There are just evil people in the world and there's no reason to consider why they kill so many more people in the United States than in other wealthy industrialized nations. Not a question worth asking! Maybe we're just that much more evil as a nation!

Florida Rep. Tom Rooney:

“If we can come to any agreement where we can figure out ways to do that, we should do it. And whether it deals with mental health issues or anything else that would help avoid that situation from happening again, I think that would be a good thing for us to talk about,” he said.
So ... is that a call for increased mental health funding? No? Just a dodge? Yeah, I thought so. It's not just House members dodging, either. Senate Republicans are doing the same.

South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham:

“The worst thing we can do is create false sense of security. Every bad event in the world can’t be fixed by government action,” he said. “The question for me is how to prevent mass murder?”
Basically, then, Americans should have absolutely no sense of security because it might turn out to be false, and we should be asking how to prevent mass murder but the government probably doesn't have a role. Duly noted.

Florida Sen. Marco Rubio:

“I also think it’s important to point out that gun laws have limitations as to what they can accomplish,” he said. “Criminals by definition do not follow the law.”
Why bother with laws at all, then, if criminals are just going to break them?

The deaths of 26 people, 20 of them children, are unfortunate and all, but Republicans will not be doing anything about it. They will be pretending to talk about mental health, without for one instant being willing to improve the American mental health system or its funding. They will be talking about violent video games. They will not even be talking about the specific types of weapons that make it possible for one man to kill dozens of people at a time. And the next time it happens, and the next, and the next, they'll continue to treat it as a mystery, evil without explanation or aid.

Originally posted to Laura Clawson on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 07:53 AM PST.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA and Daily Kos.

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  •  so let's ask him (7+ / 0-)
    So ... is that a call for increased mental health funding? No? Just a dodge? Yeah, I thought so.
    let's make it a call for increased funding.  hell yes!  

    we should so use this to push for anti-poverty stimulus, increased mental health care funding, and increase education funding.

    if GOP reps are already paying lip service to these ideas, this is a great opportunity for them to put their money where their mouths are.  don't want to regulate guns?  fine!  let's take these steps, then, since you cite a mental health component to this problem.

    Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

    by Cedwyn on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:02:49 AM PST

  •  William (Wild Bill) Bennett weighs in... (15+ / 0-)
    Eliminating or restricting firearms for public self-defense doesn't make our citizens safer; it makes them targets. If we're going to have a national debate about guns, it should be acknowledged that guns, in the hands of qualified and trained individuals subject to background checks, prevent crime and improve public safety.
    Sounds like the wild west to me.

    If cats could blog, they wouldn't

    by crystal eyes on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:05:58 AM PST

  •  Will Lindsey Graham be voting to save the (11+ / 0-)

    money we spend on guards for government offices?

    “Social Security has nothing to do with balancing a budget or erasing or lowering the deficit.” -- Ronald Reagan, 1984 debate with Walter Mondale

    by RJDixon74135 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:14:58 AM PST

  •  I don't know how we can create a false sense (17+ / 0-)

    of security when people are getting slaughtered on a daily basis. Oh, wait, that's right, by arming everybody.

    •  Millions and millions of people are rolling their (2+ / 0-)
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      eyes.

      So we can't have speed limits because the bad guys will break them. We can't have reasonable gun laws cuz the good guys will be targets. We can't have strict environmental laws because some company will just violate them [and capitalism!].

      Lord. Where does it end?

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:37:51 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Republicans are powerless in the face of terrorism (7+ / 0-)

    Why won't they stop the terrorism?  I'm tired of being terrorized.

    They have no right to make this country a war zone.  And that's exactly what they are defending.

    This is terrorism.  Why are the republicans supporting it?

    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

    by yet another liberal on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:33:09 AM PST

  •  What happens to a deer (11+ / 0-)

    When you blast it with 30 rounds from an AR-15?

    Is it still good to eat?

    Ok, so why are AR-15's and 30 round clips legal?  Because they have a right to own arms?  Why not a rocket launcher?

    If every buffoon in the country can own military weapons, then how is that "well-regulated"?

    Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

    by yet another liberal on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:36:56 AM PST

    •  It's a silly regulation (1+ / 0-)
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      Watch the first six seconds of this:

      https://www.youtube.com/...

      I count 18 shots, including 2 reloads, in 6 seconds. Trying to regulate magazine size is stupid. It does nothing, and wastes energy when we can be talking about something that might make an impact. Give this one up.

      It's not 11th dimensional chess; it's just chess. And he's KICKING YOUR ASS.

      by pneuma on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:24:13 AM PST

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      •  So (1+ / 0-)
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        You link me to a video for what's he say "Police and military ..."

        Note: He didn't say civilian use.

        If you outlaw them then you can't walk into Walmart and pick them on the weekend.

        Are you guys stupid?  No, you're liars.  And you don't give a shit that we're being terrorized.

        It's just like after Bin Laden, "There's nothing we will do about it"

        Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

        by yet another liberal on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:27:03 AM PST

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        •  It's a fair question, this: (1+ / 0-)
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          Are you guys stupid?

          202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

          by cany on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:39:44 AM PST

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        •  You completely missed the point (0+ / 0-)

          If I can use a six round magazine, and I can fire 18 shots in 6 seconds, what possible benefit can you imagine that preventing me from having a twelve round magazine will have? Instead of 18 shots in 5 seconds, it will take 6?

          Trying to limit magazine size is stupid. Even if you win, you've accomplished very little.

          Talking about mandatory gun education, or stricter licensing, or stiffer penalties for allowing a minor or mentally ill persons access to a firearm - all of these things might do some good. Limiting clips to 6 rounds does nothing, and spends political capital that we could use for other things. Drop it.

          It's not 11th dimensional chess; it's just chess. And he's KICKING YOUR ASS.

          by pneuma on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:43:02 AM PST

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          •  Bull shit (0+ / 0-)

            The weapon used in the most recent rampage had clips of 30 rounds.  The asshole in CO had a drum of 100.

            In addition, guns need to be licensed far more strictly and owners need to carry mandatory insurance.  Just like car.

            That too.  Not dropping a fucking thing.

            Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

            by yet another liberal on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:46:14 AM PST

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            •  Let's examine that (0+ / 0-)

              At the rate we see in the video, I could discharge 30 rounds in 10 seconds, reloading 4 times. Let's, for the sake of argument, say that reloading cost me 1 second every time. By outlawing that 30 round clip, you would have cost me 4 seconds. I'm sure that would have meant a material difference.

              Licensing guns far more strictly? Hell yes. Mandatory insurance? Not sure what for, but sure, raise economic barriers to ownership. Fine with that. Those might do some good. But if I was sitting across the table from you, I'd be gleeful that you cared about something so trivial- I'll be able to extract all kinds of concessions from you to give you a smaller clip size. It's a losing position.

              It's not 11th dimensional chess; it's just chess. And he's KICKING YOUR ASS.

              by pneuma on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:57:46 AM PST

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              •  Let's just say (0+ / 0-)

                You pulled it all of your ass, because (metaphorically) that's what you did.

                Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

                by yet another liberal on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 12:00:32 PM PST

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                •  Whut? (0+ / 0-)

                  Talk about conforming to stereotypes.

                  Good day.

                  It's not 11th dimensional chess; it's just chess. And he's KICKING YOUR ASS.

                  by pneuma on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 12:15:17 PM PST

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                  •  Who needs that type of gun? Answer that (0+ / 0-)

                    question please.   Who in the hell is such a coward or wimp that killing something isn't enough but shredding it to bits is?  What kind of human needs that?  

                    I had a man break in on me in 1975 , put a pillow over my head while I was sleeping.  I have no doubt when I reached for a vase had I been reaching for a weapon he would have grabbed it and killed me.  I am still here.
                    I would have been lawful in shooting his ass.  I am very glad I had more faith than fear .    I am glad  neither of us had guns.  

                    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

                    by Vetwife on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 04:13:28 PM PST

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                    •  That's the point I'm trying to make (0+ / 0-)

                      There is very little material difference between a very military looking "assault" weapon and a hunting rifle - there are videos out there that show the transformation of the same gun from one to the other by swapping out the stocks. You can't talk about banning "assault weapons" without talking about banning almost all weapons. You can talk about banning "large capacity clips", but the videos I've posted show that reloading a weapon is a fast process, and that won't really work to prevent mass shootings. Remember: 18 rounds in 6 seconds, reloading twice.

                      I think we should be smart, and accept that banning guns altogether is not feasible in the current political climate (just like the right should accept the same about abortion). We should target our efforts at reducing gun violence on things that have a chance at succeeding. We can have a lot of impact if we target our efforts at the right places, rather than expending our energy fruitlessly.

                      It's not 11th dimensional chess; it's just chess. And he's KICKING YOUR ASS.

                      by pneuma on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 06:14:37 PM PST

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                      •  Well I must be a complete outcast politically (0+ / 0-)

                        because...the truth is.. I wish there were no guns..period.   I wish people would get their minds straight and I wish children could be children and people were not targets for violence.   No gun, or knife or anything else has ever made me safe.  The police arrive too late....the drunk driver usually kills, the shooter kills and there is too damn much war and brainwarp.

                        We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

                        by Vetwife on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 12:00:14 AM PST

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                        •  No, I think your sentiment is very common (0+ / 0-)

                          Especially amongst women on the left. My wife feels the same way. I don't. There are not enough of you out there to get what you want. There are enough people like me willing to support things that would reduce gun violence - but if we are going to start the conversation with "no guns, period"  - well, the conversation will be short.

                          It's not 11th dimensional chess; it's just chess. And he's KICKING YOUR ASS.

                          by pneuma on Thu Dec 20, 2012 at 07:56:52 AM PST

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  •  Not this time. (13+ / 0-)

    Mouthing the usual platitudes, meant to assure your NRA campaign contributions keep on coming, isn't going to cut it.
    No, the days of military styled, high capacity magazine weaponry are over. There's no way to make Sandy Hook go away with words.

  •  No one who is in their "right mind" guns down (11+ / 0-)

    other people, be they children or not, I think that is a given, but as I have harped on since the mental health angle first came up, remove the gun from the equation=27 people NOT dead!

    Focusing on mental health is nothing more than a distraction to deflect attention away from the real issue,  easy access to deadly weapons!

    Reach for the sky, Touch the sky, Revive a hope, For Mankind!

    by Greatwyrm on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 09:04:05 AM PST

  •  same tired arguments. (10+ / 0-)

    every.

    fucking.

    time.

    One wonders if one of these brain-trusts' grand-kids were murdered at school, if they'd change their idiot tune.

    Zero sympathy = Republicanism.

    Even some people on THIS site have done NOTHING but defend guns, offering ZERO support or sympathy for the slain.


    "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is fast and bulbous..........got me?" - Don Van Vliet

    by AlyoshaKaramazov on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 09:05:39 AM PST

    •  That would be the ONLY reason they change. (0+ / 0-)

      Only if someone they loved was killed in a mass shooting would they change their tune.

      Remember, to a right winger a problem isn't real and doesn't deserve attention - until it actually happens to them or a member of their family. They are extraordinarily frugal with their empathy.

    •  I think they have stood on ideology for so long (0+ / 0-)

      they themselves have become sociopathic. Gee, that's helpful.

      202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

      by cany on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:42:10 AM PST

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  •  apparently (4+ / 0-)
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    Some people who post on this site have also decided that 5 days was just a waiting period until they announced their various reasons for inaction.

    We shouldn't hesitate to inform these people and the ones across the aisle that their attitude is part of the problem.

  •  It's Not Going To Cut It This Time.... (14+ / 0-)

    A 6th grader just held a gun to his classmates heads in Salt Lake City.  The bullets were in his backpack.  His parents gave him the gun to take to school to defend himself after the Sandy Hook massacre.

    He told the kids he would kill them if they told.  That was at 11 am.  The kids were terrorized.  Finally at 3 pm, they told.

    The school went into uproar mode after that.  The parents at that elementary school are not buying "criminals don't follow the law" ala Marco Rubio.

    This time....the usual talking points won't work.

  •  Probably something like send all the teachers (3+ / 0-)
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    to boot camp and combat training and them arm them and train the janitorial and office staff as a swat team.

  •  That is all they have is reasons for inaction!.n/t (2+ / 0-)
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    An idea is not responsible for who happens to be carrying it at the moment. It stands or falls on its own merits.

    by don mikulecky on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:20:30 AM PST

  •  The above picture is on I-84 heading east (4+ / 0-)
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    just before the exit to Newtown. The big flag went up on 9-11.

    The little flags were just added.

    It's modestly lit at night.

    I pass it every day on my way home.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:21:19 AM PST

  •  Imagine a Dem saying 'there are just evil people' (6+ / 0-)

    as Virginia Foxx just did. Nothing we can do. No reason to get in a huff and take measures. The world is what it is....

    And doing so right after 9/11.

    Hoo boy It would NOT have gone well.

    Why are Adam Lanza's BFFs, Virginia Foxx and the rest of the GOP, carrying so much water for him?

  •  What we really need is to put God back in schools. (12+ / 0-)

    Because without a valid key card, he obviously can't get in the building to help out.

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

    by bigtimecynic on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:23:34 AM PST

  •  What an array of useless assholes (4+ / 0-)
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    Bought and owned by the NRA. Every last one of them.

  •  OK Obama Your Move (4+ / 0-)

    1. Go Big. Limit capacity, categories of weapons, ban gun show sales, hell, ban private sales, expand background checks, and create civil liability for those who sell to the mentally ill. 2. Prepare for protracted debate. Very protracted. 3. Brace yourself for the next slaughter. Shouldn't be long now. 4. When that happens, propose an amendment to the 2nd amendment. 5. Don't back down on this. The truth and any notions of justice are on your side. Those not convinced today will be convinced after the next slaughter, or the one after that, or the one after that. The key is to not let the issue go, keep them debating.

  •  Where's the reporter who will ask Rubio et al. (3+ / 0-)
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    Why bother with laws at all, then, if criminals are just going to break them?

    You can't make this stuff up.

    by David54 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:25:26 AM PST

  •  we will render all possible assistance (3+ / 0-)
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    other than actual help.

  •  “There are just evil people... (1+ / 0-)
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    -Virginia Foxx

    who should know.

    ...and who, disguised as rambler american, mild mannered commenter for a great Democratic web blog, fights a never-ending battle for truth, justice and the American way.

    by rambler american on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:26:54 AM PST

    •  expecting intellectual honesty (0+ / 0-)

      From someone like La Foxx, who certainly must disdain intellectuals and wouldn't know honesty if it smacked her in the face, and yet...the next time she opens her talking hole about abortion, why don't we just tell her: "Y'know, you probably consider the people who seek and who perform abortions as "evil."  Well, it's been said that “there are just evil people in the world and nothing you are going to do is going to prevent evil sometimes from occurring.'  So go sit in the corner and play with yourself while people who really care about the real suffering of real children try to do something constructive."

      Unfortunately, way too far over that one's head.    

      When the people are being beaten with a stick, they are not much happier if it is called "the People's Stick." ~ Mikhail Bakunin

      by Sick Semper on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 08:00:42 PM PST

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  •  Marco Rubio reveals more (3+ / 0-)
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    than he realizes about the mindset of the GOP:
    “I also think it’s important to point out that the ten commandments have limitations as to what they can accomplish,” he said. “Sinners by definition do not follow the law of Moses.”

    [emphasis added]

    Can we ever have too much of a good thing? --Cervantes

    by thingsthatfall on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:28:44 AM PST

  •  Nothing will be done (3+ / 0-)
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    There will be a ban against violent movies and videos before there is a ban on assault weapons.  Books will be banned in schools before guns will.  Ban marijuana but anyone can have an assault weapon....

    Oracle2021: I live in the reality based world where facts and math do matter!

    by Oracle2021 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:30:59 AM PST

  •  If it is perfectly legal for Bankers and Stock (3+ / 0-)

    Brokers to steal from their clients ( and it is ) and for Doctors and Hospitals to kill and maim their patients ( and it is ) then it should be perfectly legal for people who can afford to buy semi automatic weapons to kill as many people with them as they wish to.

    That is what Freedom is all about  - isn't it  ??

  •  "Zombie Apocalypse" on Discovery Channel last nite (4+ / 0-)
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    A show about doomsday "preppers" who are so mentally ill that their primary fear is honestly fear a world-wide infestation by a version of a mythical creature invented by George Romero in 1968.    Every one of them was an absolutely delusional nut case, and every one of them was an owner of an assault weapon.  

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

    by bigtimecynic on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:32:29 AM PST

  •  "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...is that good men do nothing."

    GOP are making sure of it.

    Barack Obama for President

    by looty on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:35:53 AM PST

  •  Well then (3+ / 0-)
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    ... by that logic, it's time to dismantle TSA and the entire homeland security apparatus that the GOP so loves.

    It's time for Americans to assert their right to wear shoes.

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:36:24 AM PST

  •  This is insanity. (2+ / 0-)
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    It reminds me of the story of the frog in the movie "Dante's Peak."  If we could take a step out of this insanity, we would see how insane it is.  When are the reasonable (or is that grown ups) going to step up and say enough already?

    "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

    by AnnieR on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:37:41 AM PST

  •  For Virginia Foxx (2+ / 0-)
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    I suspect if a NRA lobbyist went into an elevator with her, she wouldn't be shrieking "members only" at them and ask them to leave.  :P

  •  So is anyone here besides me (0+ / 0-)

    disturbed by this video? And if not why not?

    "So, just read the card?" "Yeah, just read the card." --Sandy Hook mind-blower: Newtown shooting victim's father, Robbie Parker, is seen laughing just before his on-camera interview, as he inquires about whether or not he should just 'read the card.' (As in... cue card?) "Yeah, just read the card," a man replies, off-camera.

    “The probability that we may fail in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just.” – Abraham Lincoln

    by Sagebrush Bob on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:38:49 AM PST

  •  I think what the GOP means is: "Freedom!" (3+ / 0-)
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    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

    by bigtimecynic on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:39:10 AM PST

  •  What's funny, is that I thought these GOP (3+ / 0-)
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    reactions would have been made for 9/11... like

    Virginia representative and incoming House Judiciary Committee Chair Robert Goodlatte:

    “We’re going to take a look at what happened there and what can be done to help avoid it in the future, but banning liquids on airplanes is not going to be something that I would support,” he said.

    North Carolina Rep. Virginia Foxx:
    “There are just evil people in the world and nothing you are going to do is going to prevent evil sometimes from occurring,” she said. “There ought to be a debate on the whole thing that happened, the full complement, not just airport security.”
    South Carolina Sen. Lindsey Graham:

    “The worst thing we can do is create false sense of security. Every bad event in the world can’t be fixed by government action,” he said. “The question for me is how to prevent terrorism?”

    Yeah, you see what I did there? Our politicians (mostly republicans) overreact in areas that don't require it, and when action actually needs to be taken, THATS when they want to look into studies and not jump the gun and bla bla bla, republicans are stupid.

    Follow me on Twitter! @guileofthegods

    by Guile Of The Gods on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:40:44 AM PST

  •  My teen is afraid of 12.21 (4+ / 0-)

    She doesn't want to go anywhere not because of the false prophesy, but b/c she thinks some moron will use it as an excuse.
    My goal is to get her to a mall or movie with me.  I'm NOT allowing society's paranoia to infiltrate her psyche.

    I'm a Kennedy Catholic.

    by EquiStar on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:42:57 AM PST

    •  Already read two emails from my kid's (1+ / 0-)
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      jan4insight

      high school regarding 12-21 rumors. My kids said the rumors were already going on before Sandy Hook. Some kid was allegedly claiming that he was going to bring a gun to school on 12-21 because the world was going to end anyway.

      Last Friday, the rumors were so out of hand that parents kept their kids out because they made a mistake about which Friday was supposed to be doomsday. Hundreds of kids at two high schools in our district were out. I don't expect many kids to be there this Friday either.

      Insanity.

    •  My sister's 13 year old son (2+ / 0-)
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      Has been afraid of 12/21 for about a year.  Well, the other day he said that the world will end on 12/21 and I asked him why, if he felt like that, did he give us a list of what he wanted for Chistmas.  He thought about it then laughed.

      Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

      by Rosalie907 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:21:52 AM PST

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  •  Stonewalling (1+ / 0-)
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    While I don't disagree with all the statements, per se, they're clearly not proactive and signal a hunkering down on more of the same obstruction.

    Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

    by winsock on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:43:52 AM PST

  •  Who is crazier? The nuts that want to massacre (3+ / 0-)
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    people, or the nuts that say we can't do anything to reduce massacres from happening?

    There is no hell on earth appropriate enough for those who would promote the killing of another person, in the name of a god.

    by HarryParatestis on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:44:21 AM PST

  •  It's all about protecting the right to SELL arms, (4+ / 0-)
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    not the right to bear arms. All the words are smoke and spin.

  •  Anyone, D or R, who does nothing is an accomplice (3+ / 0-)
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    to the next massacre.

    There's no party line for me on this one.  I don't expect the problem to be fixed but I expect that an effort will be made.

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:45:23 AM PST

  •  1790 militia's had muskets, not pistols (0+ / 0-)

    pistols wouldn't be effective.  Their range was 30-40 yards, and it took a minute to re-load a pistol.  Knives were more effective than pistols.

    80 % of Success is Just Showing Up !

    by Churchill on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:47:34 AM PST

  •  Pogo: "We have met the enemy and he is us." (0+ / 0-)

    There is a lot of discussion on these pages and around the internet and it all boils down to the same argument.  If I like doing a thing or owning a thing or practicing a thing and I don't abuse it or misuse it then it's OK for everybody else and can't be the cause of whatever the current catastrophe seems to be.  On these pages the defensive gamers sound identical to the defensive gun owners elsewhere.  Then there are those saying to stop blaming it on mental illness or on divorce or absent fathers or sugar intake and diet or lack of religion or too much religion.  

    In any complex system all elements in part influence function.  Within an impaired or fragile system energy producing variables tend to have a greater influence than in more stable systems.

    In order to have a discussion about this it might be best to stop protecting what we support and start to objectively look at how it all works together.

  •  Stay focused on the prize (0+ / 0-)

    While we are wasting electrons on a hopeless cause, Obama is making an offer that the GOP might not be able to refuse on taxes and entitlements.  

    Write this down:  Nothing.  Will.  Be.  Passed.

    Nothing.  The GOP House will not even bring a gun control bill to the floor.  I doubt the Senate could get 51 Dems to vote for it, let alone the 60 needed for passage.  Unless you live in a gun state (I live in PA), you just can't imagine the power the gun lobby weilds.  Gun control is a litmus test issue for a lot of rural and suburban blue collar Dems.  I know.  My father was 30 year union steelworking Roosevelt Dem, and he'd have voted for Satan himself if he ran against a pro-gun-control Dem.  And all we ever owned was shot guns and hunting rifles - wouldn't have a pistol ("too dangerous" in my Dad's words).  But, he considered ANY gun control, even assault weopons and pistols, to be the "thin edge of the wedge".

    I guarantee you that most of the Dem House members from PA won't touch this with a 10 foot pole.  Unless they are from urban Pittsburgh or Phil, they'd be sliced and diced in the next election.  The same goes for sportsman areas like WI, MI, OH, NY, etc..

    The NRA has gone underground, because when a tragedy like this happens, there is literally nothing they can say.  People and the media don't want to hear it.  But, soon Christmas and New Years will be here, then the NFL playoffs, then another scandal, natural disaster or news event will be front page, and the heat will die down.  Hunker down and wait for a better field to play on.  Didn't we learn that from the Clintons?  The NRA will be back up and running soon, when the time is right.  After Columbine, we thought we'd seen a turning point.  We were wrong.  This will be no different.

    I doubt there are very many Dems in Congress who want to run in 2014, in Obama's second midterm, after raising taxes and perhaps cutting SS, on a record that includes supporting gun control.  You want to resuscitate the GOP, gun control is the issue to do it with.  

  •  The world is full of the insane and desperate... (4+ / 0-)

    and yet we're the only first world nation with an epidemic of slaughters at the hands of semi-automatic weapons.

    I don't want to hear any Republican - the ones who made denying access to affordable healthcare the cornerstone of their platform - tell me this is a problem because of our policies towards the mentally ill.

    It is the unfettered access to military-grade weapons by anyone who wants it that is the problem.

  •  Kos should put a sidebar with the daily shootings (1+ / 0-)
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    it would be dozens every day.  A sidebar, Where & total # of people shot.

    80 % of Success is Just Showing Up !

    by Churchill on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:52:35 AM PST

  •  Love the cognitive dissonance... (0+ / 0-)

    compared to the WAR ON TERROR!

       “The worst thing we can do is create false sense of security. Every bad event in the world can’t be fixed by government action,” he said. “The question for me is how to prevent mass murder?”
    but then again, killing muslims more acceptable to the American Right Wing than even minor gun control is. Seriously. It is.  They would rather kill hundreds of muslims than have 1 less bullet in their basement. Literally.

    On DailyKos nothing is significant unless Obama doesn't do it.

    by glutz78 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:52:48 AM PST

  •  military-grade VS hunting guns, that's the debate (0+ / 0-)

    the hunters don't have handguns with 12-17 round quickly-reloaded magazines, or AR-15s.

    80 % of Success is Just Showing Up !

    by Churchill on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:54:45 AM PST

  •  the 'cons should set a limit on (0+ / 0-)

    How many first graders are slaughtered on one masacre
    When the.number reaches 25 slaughtered then Congress will meet to set the next new limit.

    Nothing will be done.

    Sigh...

    Psst!!!......Mittens you are more of a poor loser than I thought.

    by wbishop3 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 10:55:55 AM PST

  •  "We discussed this after our PRAYERS." (1+ / 0-)
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    That comment by one sweet-voiced Republican woman on NPR almost made me scream with rage this morning. Cause Fundy Jesus is totally about sick and/or racist white men keeping their WMDs.

    Meanwhile, the parents of dozens of innocent young black children gunned down by cops and SYG vigilantes this year alone (to nationwide crickets) must feel so comforted by this burst of activity.

  •  usual distractions (1+ / 0-)
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    from the usual suspects.  Expect more of this and don't let it distract you.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

    by noofsh on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:00:37 AM PST

  •  Those R's="surrender monkeys" (1+ / 0-)
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    Their message: "There is nothing that can be done except arming everyone with a firearm..its that simple. So be prepared in the next few months of another senseless slaughter by an armed mentally disturbed person. Theres nothing we can do...."

    Sounds ridiculous doesn't it?...because it is.

    Message to Congress: Stand up and show the American people you have the courage and capacity to have an honest discussion on this issue,Now not later.

  •  My Congressman Michael Grimm NY CD-11 (0+ / 0-)

    Said he's going to have to "take a look" at the legislation and we shouldn't rush it.  This means he'll probably vote NO when any legislation is brought to the House floor.  

    Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011)

    by Rosalie907 on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:08:23 AM PST

    •  My guess is that (0+ / 0-)

      there are many Dems in both chambers that are praying right now,...praying that a gin control bill never makes it to the floor for a vote.

      The GOP,...they'll just vote "No" with a clear conscience and no electoral or media reprocussions.

  •  Next massacre coming soon? (0+ / 0-)

    With the intense coverage, the heightened awareness, the vulnerabilities and uncertainties, sure as shooting a copy cat event or several are coming soon. Just since Friday, we have had added threats called in to local schools, students bringing in weapons and all sorts of things that get immediate attention in the present climate still raw over last week's Connecticut massacre.

    Today, the NRA shills/political GOP tools on their pad are pushing back, deflecting, defiantly changing the subject to anything , any bunch of red herring issues other than real  restrictions on hi capacity clips and military rifles.

    I expect based on all this media frenzy, comments and attention a copycat incident pretty soon, maybe even this Fridaywhich is  the week 1 anniversary of the elementary school murders.

    Like the 1996  Port Arthur, Tasmania, Australia killings, the perpetrator wanted to set a record.   That is what the copycats have to shoot for, a record.

    So get ready, the usual Goopers obstructionists are challenging the mentally incompetent to go out with their second Amendment rights and do what it is they want to do.

    They (possible shooters )are being told, government can't stop you, it is just a thing that happens. More laws won't make a difference.

    I am saying this rhetoric by the GOP hard core shills for the gun makers and their NRA front group is stochastic terrorism, inciting the worst and most damaged to come out of their basements and lairs and bring their assault weapons into play.

    And the connection will be really easy to make, the stuff they avoiding saying from the 14th to today is now on full display in all its ignorance and idiocy and celebration of the sociopathic politics of thrill seeking through lethal gun play and posturing these cretins love so much as their contribution to American society.

  •  Apparently only the US has evil and crazy people. (0+ / 0-)

    For Christina's America

    by DWKING on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 11:26:17 AM PST

  •  Need a buy back program MONEY FOR MAXIMUM MAGS! (0+ / 0-)

    Yes like cash for clunkers get those high capacity magazines in to the local law enforcement and get some money!

  •  shorter Republican response: (0+ / 0-)

    Shit happens.

    Freedom isn't free. So quit whining and pay your taxes.

    by walk2live on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 12:13:05 PM PST

  •  GOP = Wealth sycophants (0+ / 0-)

    They will put profit ahead of public safety every single time if given the chance.  

    This really shouldn't shock anyone.

    Murdered children mean nothing next to the perpetuation of the machine that recycles money through DC for the sake of special interests (like gun manufacturing) and those lining up to the money trough to assist them.  

    This is the effect of the grand Randian vision that believes that if something creates profit for someone - then it must be some kind of transcendent component of this mystical equalizing force that binds the market together in reactionary stability.  Thus, it is beyond the criticism of pseudo-moralists like you and I who are affronted by such destructive greed.  We are nothing but ninnies who lack the spine to break a few eggs for the sake of the greater economic oscillating omelets that forms the magical "free market"

    The true paradox, however, is that so-called "hands-off" policies that currently comprise an uncomfortably large portion of our governing process actually perpetuate corruption and legislated competitive advantage instead of suppress them.  Worse, is that there are real casualties in this fight for fairness and truth.  All laws, at their core, are issues of public safety - even economic regulatory laws.  When society lacks the proper level of regulation, then we slide into a state of nature.  The lack of gun control has led - directly - to the escalation of the death of innocents. The biggest proponents of the "separation of economy and state" are those that donate the most to political campaigns in order to make themselves more profitable.  So inherently, these proponents are hypocritical, now they reveal themselves to be inarguably sociopathic and/or psychotic.

    Let me be clear about this...  Wayne LaPierre is a psychotic who values his million dollar salary more than he does the lives of innocent children.  Those that accept his contributions are nothing more than mercenaries of the gun lobby who also prioritize personal wealth over the safety of school children and other innocents in society.  They hide behind free market principles and constitutional rhetoric to perpetuate their despicable behavior.  They gain support by castigating their opponents as tyrants and intentionally spreading misinformation to the affected.

    These machinations are the highest of blights on our society and the primary cause for counter-intuitive governmental dysfunction.

    This is what happens when money has a disproportionate influence on law and policy making, especially in an environment that champions private enterprise over matters of public safety.  

    Are there no prisons? No workhouses?

    by meatballs on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 12:17:16 PM PST

  •  Title of the article could also read... (0+ / 0-)

    ..."Republicans give us one more reason NOT to vote for them."

    I'm too [insert adjective of choice, e.g., sane] to vote Republican.

    by Linus Too on Wed Dec 19, 2012 at 01:48:09 PM PST

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