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Now I was as angry as the next guy when I listened to NRA representative propose having full time armed guards at every school.  It's a dumb idea! It would not work!  Its a huge waste of resources!  Its gross!

And then it came to me:  If the NRA is so concerned about school killings, maybe we could find common cause with them.  Hire the armed guards, but pay for them with a gun tax!  

We already use cigarette taxes to pay for cancer research and treatment and nearly every non smoker in the world likes to raise cigarette taxes!  Why not do the same with guns! I think a lot of people would warm to the notion, and it would be a great opportunity for the NRA to work to keep schools safe.  

Republicans seem to like sales taxes, so they should be on board too!

What do you think?  Kumbaya everybody!  Ask your legislator to work with the NRA to make the "Safe Schools Gun Tax" a reality!  

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  •  Truly a proposal you know won't fly but will (2+ / 0-)
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    Killer of Sacred Cows, sponson

    highlight how we are willing to work out a solution. LOLOLOL

    Personally I will fight tooth and nail against turning schools into armed camps where the potential for violence skyrockets because you don't even have to find your own weapons. Just carry a baseball bat and ball and whack the guard to take his gun and mags... WHAT?????????? you think he would shoot some kid going out to play baseball ... why? that is as American as freaking guns on every belt.

    This whole idea is nauseating.

    Fear is the Mind Killer...

    by boophus on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 08:54:13 PM PST

  •  You have to realize (1+ / 0-)
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    sponson

    these gun possessors are the same people who won't pay a dime more in taxes, but seem to always have an extra grand or so every month to drop on another gun.

    There is no such thing as an off year election. Every election effects each other. We need to work as hard in 2014 as we did in 2012.

    by pollbuster on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 08:56:04 PM PST

  •  Gunpowder tax. (1+ / 0-)
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    sponson

    Use the money for safe schools, community mental health clinics, and data dissemination. All this without even touching their sacred guns and 2d Amendment.

    “I’m able to fly, do what I want, essentially. I guess that’s what freedom is — no limits.” Marybeth Onyeukwu -- Brooklyn DREAMer.

    by chuco35 on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 09:02:46 PM PST

  •  Trenz Pruca (0+ / 0-)

    I would support this.

  •  Yes!!! (0+ / 0-)

    This is a great idea. Should be a federal, state, local, and school district tax.

  •  Gun Tax (0+ / 0-)

    Renew the assault weapons ban and the gun show loophole,and put an excise tax on all firearms AND ammo.About 40% of the cost of a pack of cigarettes is taxes.Have nothing less for guns and bullets.

    •  then we can tax speech and abortions. (1+ / 0-)
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      VClib

      if we just start taxing rights, I'm sure there's a lot of money we could raise.

    •  tybandit - probably not constitutional (1+ / 0-)
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      johnny wurster

      The current SCOTUS case on point, Heller, gives legislators broad latitude regarding gun control as long as they don't restrict access. Many legal scholars believe that a high fee/tax would fail the access rule.

      johnny w has an interesting point in this thread. The SCOTUS by a 5-4 margin in Roe gave all women the legal right to an abortion. The SCOTUS also by a 5-4 margin in Heller declared that Americans have an individual right to own guns. We will make you king for a day. You get to pick a tax/fee for guns or ammunition but that exact same percentage fee would also be added to the cost of any abortion. The fee would have to be paid by the individual having the abortion. What's the right number?

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Fri Dec 21, 2012 at 10:01:08 PM PST

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      •  GUN TAX (0+ / 0-)

        This is about guns not abortion.But of course the gun crowd would deflect to any other topic to Not talk about guns.Besides if one has been shown to have,say some mental defect,then your right to gun ownership is abridged.So the right is not inherent to all.Heller is not unconditional.

        •  tybandit - you have missed the point (0+ / 0-)

          I agree Heller is not unconditional at all, however it has established an individual right to own a gun, much like Roe v Wade established the right to have an abortion. If we apply fees/taxes to a constitutional right of access have we violated Roe or Heller? The two are actually very good parallels. From a legal perspective I am sure it would be one of the arguments lawyers would make. I do think it requires people to think through the idea of wanting to tax rights they don't like/agree with, but would oppose taxing rights they support.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 06:25:00 AM PST

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  •  Change wording from TAX to FEE (1+ / 0-)
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    tybandit

    Republicans hate the word TAX, but really like the word FEE. So if we call it a fee, they cannot use the Grover excuse, and you have got them in a real bind.

    I would recommend that for a FEE you would get a fee paid stamp to place on the weapon, and if you we caught with a weapon without a fee paid stamp the weapons was taken from you and you were significantly fined.

    •  Gun fee (0+ / 0-)

      Call it a fee,works for me.

    •  More thought on the FEE (1+ / 0-)
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      tybandit

      Make the Fee related to possible capability to sustain fire capacity of high lethality bullets.

      For example, years ago, my family had a single shot bolt action .22, this would have a fee of $0.00
      and similarly something like:
      A bolt action hunting rifle a fee of $0.00
      A double barrel shotgun a fee of $10.00
      A gun magazine of less than 6 bullets capacity, fee $100.00
      of up to10 bullets , $500.00
      of up to 20 bullets, $5000.00
      of up to 30 bullets, $50,000.00
      over 51, $100,000.

      This sounds like it might pass the Supreme Court, and the Hunting crowd

      •  Lets calculate approximately Newtown (0+ / 0-)

        I did a search and all I can find is "multiple magazines" in the Bushmaster. Normally 30 rounds are in these magazines, so I will assume 3 times 30 rounds. Now lets assume 12 to 15 in the 2 handgouns.
        The arithmetic :
        3 times $50,000=$150,000.
        2 times $5000. = $10,000.
        Total = $160,000.

        So if he had left his house with these weapons, he should have paid, $160,000.

        Now if he was pulled over by police in a routine traffic check, and he had not paid the guns would have been taken and he would have been heavly fined.

        He also would not have been able to go to a firing range (as he was taken) to practice without paying the $160k! Since I assume a firing range will be required to check if the guns had fees paid.

  •  I support this if and only if (1+ / 0-)
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    Erin in Flagstaff

    The tax or "fee" makes the price about $27,000 per gun for civilian buyers (don't inflate gun prices for the police, military or guards).  You could actually afford to pay those guards quite well, and hire more than one of them, too.

    •  that wouldn't be constitutional. (1+ / 0-)
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      VClib

      you can dream about it, though.

      •  Please state your reasons why? (0+ / 0-)

        You want to know how machine guns are regulated under federal and state law.

        SUMMARY

        Federal law strictly regulates machine guns (firearms that fire many rounds of ammunition, without manual reloading, with a single pull of the trigger).

        Among other things, federal law:

        1. requires all machine guns, except antique firearms, not in the U.S. government's possession to be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF);

        2. bars private individuals from transferring or acquiring machine guns except those lawfully possessed and registered before May 19, 1986;

        3. requires anyone transferring or manufacturing machine guns to get prior ATF approval and register the firearms;

        4. with very limited exceptions, imposes a $200 excise tax whenever a machine gun is transferred;

        5. bars interstate transport of machine guns without ATF approval; and

        6. imposes harsh penalties for machine gun violations, including imprisonment of up to 10 years, a fine of up to $250,000, or both for possessing an unregistered machine gun.

        The lawful transfer of a machine gun generally requires (1) filing a transfer application with ATF, (2) paying a transfer tax, (3) getting ATF approval, and (4) registering the firearm in the transferee's name. Transferees must pass an extensive criminal background investigation and meet the criteria for possessing firearms under state and federal law. Among those ineligible are felons and people (1) addicted to controlled substances, (2) discharged under dishonorable conditions from the U.S. Armed Forces, or (3) adjudicated mentally defective or committed to a mental institution.

    •  sponson - it may not be constitutional (0+ / 0-)

      Heller has declared that individuals have a constitutional right to own guns. The case also gives broad latitude to legislatures to pass gun control legislation as long as it does not inhibit access. Some legal scholars feel that fees/taxes specifically imposed to reduce access would not be constitutional, much like a poll tax or any other monetary barrier to a constitutional right. There are many, including most of the people there at DKOS, who don't believe that Heller was correctly decided. However, at the moment Heller is the law of the land and will guide state, local, and federal legislation on this issue.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 07:04:56 AM PST

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      •  In my above FEE is the Heller exemption (0+ / 0-)

        for a gun within a persons house, since the Heller decision  is  effectively the law. The fee applies to having a gun outside of the owners house. This should not conflict with Heller since it does not reduce access, it just taxes if you bring it outside of your house. Thus it is probably constitutional.

        Will a constitutional lawyer please reply.

        •  jsugrue - home defense isn't the only protection (0+ / 0-)

          I don't think many read Heller to suggest that the only protection it provides is home defense. Congress isn't going to impose any significant fees/taxes on guns or ammunition for two reasons. First, enough members will be concerned about the Heller issues and the second is that it would tank any deal. I do think Congress may impose an additional modest fee on guns or ammunition to fund a more robust background system.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Sat Dec 22, 2012 at 11:46:44 AM PST

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