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In what is probably a big break for progressives and anyone who wants to protect the Big 3, Boehner will no longer negotiate with Obama one on one and will instead only do things through regular order(i.e. through committees):

During both 2011 and 2012, the Speaker spent weeks shuttling between the Capitol and the White House for meetings with the president in the hopes of striking a grand bargain on the deficit.

Those efforts ended in failure, leaving Boehner feeling burned by Obama and, at times, isolated within his conference.

In closed-door meetings since leaving the “fiscal cliff” talks two weeks ago, lawmakers and aides say the Speaker has indicated he is abandoning that approach for good and will return fully to the normal legislative process in 2013 — seeking to pass bills through the House that can then be adopted, amended or reconciled by the Senate.

"He is recommitting himself and the House to what we've done, which is working through regular order and letting the House work its will,” an aide to the Speaker told The Hill.

http://thehill.com/...

This does 2 things:

a)It forces the Republicans to put their cuts to SS, Medicare, and Medicaid on the table an allows us to know what to target and how to do it

b)It allows there to be time to build backlash if/when the cuts to the Big 3 are proposed.

Having the time to know whats being done in the name of a "grand bargain" is HUGE. What was always deadly about the Boehner-Obama talks was we would never have time to fight back. They would come up with a deal and BAMM it would need to be voted on.

If they follow through on this and we respond with the proper force and organization, think of what the GOP did to the ACA on "death panels" except on steroids. Now, it will be much tougher because democrats had zero beltway support for healthcare and were left to defend this stuff on their own. Cutting benefits to seniors is not only mainstream in the beltway, its their litmus test for whether you're "serious" about the deficit. So, the backlash needs to override the echo-chamber that has been the biggest cheerleader for a grand-bargain, and has convinced Obama it would be good for his legacy.

But with this Boehner move, the playing field has changed maybe not to where we have the advantage, but definitely to where there is a game plan to draw that can get us a W. Lets remember, an open process ALWAYS favors the people who have the more popular position. Once again, our greatest allies are the nihilists in the house GOP caucus.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Boehner expects to succeed himself. (2+ / 0-)
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    Lujane, FiredUpInCA

    Wonder if he's right about that.

    "I was a big supporter of waterboarding" - Dick Cheney 2/14/10

    by Bob Love on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:16:19 PM PST

  •  Oh really? (13+ / 0-)

    The POTUS took a step DOWN to talk directly to Boehner.

    I'm thinking Obama laughed his ass off when he heard this particular tantrum.

    Change will not come if we wait for some other person or some other time. We are the ones we've been waiting for. We are the change that we seek. Barack Obama

    by delphine on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:19:08 PM PST

  •  interesting (3+ / 0-)
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    cany, Lujane, Gemina13

    I wonder what motivated Boehner.

    "oh no, not four more years of hope and change?" Karl Christian Rove

    by anna shane on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:24:14 PM PST

  •  Obviously there plan is (4+ / 0-)
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    nchristine, Lujane, deepeco, Gemina13

    to have a right wing package go through the House, then demand the Senate produce a package and get something out of conference. For Boehner, this is enticing because its not his deal and he will no longer get embarrassed by his caucus.

    What they're missing though is the sunlight that accompanies "regular order", so we'll finally have the disinfectant to kill their garbage...we just need to use it.

  •  Good (9+ / 0-)

    While I support this deal, I'm not really a fan of this "leaders bargain behind closed doors and we cross our fingers for what comes out of it" style of legislating. Do it the way it was designed to be done. House passes something, Senate passes something, and we go to reconciliation.

    matthewborgard.com ~ @MatthewBorgard

    by zegota on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:26:31 PM PST

    •  I don't support the deal . . . (0+ / 0-)

      but I'm with you about the "grand bargain" approach that takes place in private.  Let them duke out legislation in committees instead of passing around bills composed by lobbyists and bring the results to the floor for votes.

      We've had mostly orchestrated propaganda instead of government for the past 12 year and not much better before that.

      I'm sick of the media accommodated theatrics. Congress needs to get to work with aides and advisers and produce substantive legislation that helps Americans stand for something again.

      Don't ask me nothin' about nothin'. I just might tell ya the truth -- B. Dylan

      by ponderer on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:44:35 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Boehner is trying to save his Speakership. (6+ / 0-)

    He didn't even try to follow the Hastert Rule, he was forced to abide by the teabager rule whereby all 218 votes had to come from the GOP caucus before he could bring it to the floor.  

    However I agree with your premise - Pres Obama can't be forced to negotiate with himself anymore.  GOP House will have to pass legislation first, Senate will have to pass their own and then it goes to committee.  

    And how the House sees things is that their legislation has to be as far right extreme as possible so when it's combined with the Senate version it ends up as far fight as possible out of committee - they could end up looking might extreme, especially GOP in less than safe seats.  

    However we could run into problems in that the Senate is pretty centrist already, so if the GOP house is successful in pumping out far right bills, then combining them with Senate bills in committee will lead to center right bills all the time.  

    President Obama would have been a Republican in the 1980's.

    by Jacoby Jonze on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:33:20 PM PST

    •  House GOP may not be able to pass extreme bills (4+ / 0-)
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      Lujane, dharmafarmer, Gemina13, semiot

      at least that's one possible reading of the fiscal cliff voting patterns.

      Their fantasy has been that they could -- but with their slimmer majority, and loss of committee chairmanships, and some of their members apparently having attacks of pragmatism, the Tea Party wing may not have as much control as they'd like.

  •  Screw him . . . he's totally useless anyway (4+ / 0-)

    We have divided government and, like it or not, nothing gets accomplished unless it's through negotiations. If all he does is pass draconian bills that have no chance of seeing daylight in the Senate, he will continue to be the same ineffectual Speaker he has been since January 2011.

    Bottom line: Boehner's still following his buddy McConnell's words . . . and is still intent on making Obama a one-term President.  Heh.

    What a fucking irresponsible loser.

  •  I like it. It may make it easier in 2014 (3+ / 0-)
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    smash artist, Lujane, Tribecastan

    for us to take competitive districts because, as we all well know, the GOP can't be anything but absurd most of the time.

    It will give us more quotes we can use, more daylight on absurdity. At the moment, I can only see this as working to our advantage.

    202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

    by cany on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:47:40 PM PST

  •  Boehner is irrelevant now anyway (0+ / 0-)

    "Rick Perry talks a lot and he's not very bright. And that's a combination I like in Republicans." --- James Carville

    by LaurenMonica on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 05:58:41 PM PST

  •  awesome fighting strategic diary (1+ / 0-)
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    Simian

    glad you and your clear thinking are on OUR side!

  •  Tan Man may become irrelevant in totality... (0+ / 0-)

    Christie, King (R-NY), Grimm (R-NY), Cantor??  They let him have it for refusing to bring Hurricane Sandy relief to the House floor for a vote.

    If he thought he would survive a vote to keep the gavel, this final disgrace from the 112th House (notice once again that I said "112th House", not "112th Congress", because it is the 112th House that is the worst House of all time; the 112th Senate actually got work done) surely must cost him the gavel.

    Has there ever been a time when a party kept control of the House, following Congressional elections, and the sitting Speaker lost his gavel?  This might be a first.  And again, if enough GOP members revolt and leave a serious split between Boner Boehner and Crazy Cantor, Nancy Pelosi may end up the one being in charge of a GOP House if neither one of the other 2 gets at least 201 votes from his party and she gets every one of her 201 Dems.  I'd love to see how many GOP heads explode if this happens!

    And if Boehner loses the gavel, what are the chances that, instead of suffering the likelihood that he will be denied a committee chairmanship for as long as he remains in the House, he will resign his seat?

    By the way, the Electoral College count is coming in the Senate.  Did any GOP electors defect?  I've been predicting these last 2 months that some of them may be tempted to punish Rmoney® and the GOP for the disastrous campaign they ran, to the point where Mitt's electoral count may drop from 206 to under 200.

    If there were defectors among the GOP electoral ranks, who did they give their votes to?  How many of those 38 electors in Texas defected to Rick Perry or Ron Paul?  Did someone snub Darth Bain for Rick Santorum?  Who decided to go for his #2, Paul Ryan?  Did any of them vote for Jon Huntsman?  Herman Cain (just for kicks)?  Chris Christie?  Barack Obama?!  Will Biden go before the Senate to announce the final tally for the President as 333, 334 or even 335, instead of the foregone 332?

  •  He'll remain Speaker, and he's (0+ / 0-)

    ..guaranteeing another do-nothing congress unless he decides to shove his "Hastert Rule" back where it came from.

    Being a Democrat in the House won't entail much actual legislating this session.

    Oh well, it isn't as if we're facing any problems or anything.

    Poor people have too much money and vote too often. Republican platform plank, 1980 - present

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Wed Jan 02, 2013 at 11:01:26 PM PST

  •  That's What You Say When You Flop..... (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not going to play anymore.  No fair.  He cheated.  I'm taking my marbles & going home.  

    Boo Hoo Hoo.  

  •  So will Obama negotiate with Pelosi now? (0+ / 0-)

    I like that idea.

    May as well give the gavel back to her, even. Neither the fiscal cliff deal nor the debt ceiling deal would have happened without her. Boehner likes to pretend he can just get 218 Republicans to vote on something and it'll become law, but when it really counts, it's the Democrats who are getting shit done, par for the course.

  •  I can see the prez (0+ / 0-)

    "John, even if I cut a deal with u that pisses off my caucus, you can't even deliver, can u?" Just for kicks, I will float chained CPI- lets see if u can find the votes"

    With a smaller majority, it is likely they will not pass any bills that will satisfy the sane repubs and the tea party. The plan b fiasco will be repeated over and over IF Dems and the prez refuse to play their games. Make the GOP own the cuts, vote for them. The teabaggers won't care but I bet there are at least 17 repubs from swing districts who will.

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