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The Huffington Post has all the details on the latest embarrassment from the Right Wing Clown Show led by human chancre Alex Jones.   These wingers, gun nuts and all around teanuts decided that Senator Dianne Feinstein(D-California) should be charged with treason just because Feinstein wants to do a common-sense thing in response to the Newtown massacre.  That's right, these wingers believe that banning assault weapons and banning high-capacity rounds is somehow Unconstitutional.  So these dead-enders decided to start a petition to the White House to charge Senator Feinstein with treason, and they have now exceeded the threshold for a response from the White House.   My suggestion to Barack Obama, just say one word:  Nuts! (History buffs will get the reference)

What I really hate about clowns like Jones who is pondscum(all Truthers are), is that they wind up making me defend people that I dislike.   I think Piers Morgan is a terrible commentator who is too right-wing, but Morgan doesn't deserve petitions from idiots that think he ought to be deported for speaking the truth about guns(and I think we ought to be more like the UK on guns and on health care, and we should look at their political system for ways to isolate the fringes).   Similarly, Senator Feinstein is a Conservadem that is to the right of her state, and I hope that she retires eventually so someone more progressive like Kamala Harris can take her place.   Senator Feinstein has been entirely too pro-corporate.  However, she is taking the correct steps in her attempts to take on a major problem in the United States: gun violence.   Yes, we do need to do more to combat gun violence.  No, we don't need to amend or repeal the 2nd Amendment which is a Amendment that enshrines the right to defend oneself and allows hunters to have the means to support themselves(as historians can tell you, the U.K had some very strict laws about what could be hunted).   A movement to Repeal the 2nd Amendment would only give these village idiots credibility.  

It's tempting to propose a counter-petition, perhaps asking the White House to reinstate putting morons like Alex Jones in the stocks.   But we needn't stoop to their level.   We do need to push back against the notion that gun regulations break the spirit of the 2nd Amendment when the Amendment itself states "well-regulated".   A society where arms are unregulated is a less free society, and yes we can get the support of the majority of responsible gun owners to further regulate firearms and to institute policies that keep firearms out of the hands of criminals and the mentally ill.

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  •  I have a suggestion. (9+ / 0-)

    It's probably similar to what the WH will do. Ignore Alex Jones and his minions. It's not even an original reaction. It's just the typical crap that comes out of Jones' mouth daily. Perfect for the new HuffPost.

  •  Jones is not a clown----what he is---is scary (2+ / 0-)
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    pistolSO, Glen The Plumber

    Clowns mostly do silly things.....this guy, who knows??

  •  there is nothing "common sense" about (3+ / 0-)

    DiFi's proposal.  and there's no common sense in chasing after a "solution" that would only even address 2% of gun deaths tops.  

    Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

    by Cedwyn on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:35:56 PM PST

  •  I like the whole justice-by-petition idea. (2+ / 0-)
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    johnny wurster, DarkLadyNyara

    My petition to execute Alex Jones is on the way!

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:43:44 PM PST

  •  Read the damn Constitution! (8+ / 0-)
    No bill of attainder or ex post facto law shall be passed.
     Article 1, Section 9.  A bill of attainder is an act of a legislature declaring a person guilty of a crime and convicting and punishing the person without a trial.
    No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, . . . nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law . . . .
    Fifth Amendment.
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, . . . and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.
    Sxth Amendment.

    You don't charge and convict a person of a crime by a petition.  Where do they think they live, Nazi Germany?  Mussolini's Italy?  The Soviet Union?

    "We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals, now we know that it is bad economics." Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Jan. 20, 1937

    by Navy Vet Terp on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:51:56 PM PST

  •  Most amazing thing of all... (18+ / 0-)

    Is that these loons think that proposing legislation is treasonous.

    While proposing not.

    "I don't give them Hell. I just tell the truth about them and they think it's Hell."

    by Notthemayor on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 02:56:13 PM PST

    •  Bingo (6+ / 0-)

      We've got tea-soaked legislators and governors proposing all sorts of ridiculous and blatantly unconstitutional crap on a daily basis. And they eventually end up in the circular filing bin. And, lo and behold, even if somehow this "treasonous" (quoted because they have no idea what treasonous means) bill became law if the SCOTUS rules in favor of it then it's Constitutional. The SCOTUS are the one and only group in this country that gets to declare something does or does not violate the Constitution. Apparently these clowns are afraid the Robert's court is too "activist-y" or something for their liking.

      What's wrong with America? I'll tell you. Everything Romney said was pre-chewed wads of cud from Republicans from the last 30 years and yet he managed thru a combination of racism and selling the (false) hope of riches to get 47% of the national vote.

      by ontheleftcoast on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 03:07:30 PM PST

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      •  And yet this is the group that "worships" the (3+ / 0-)
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        Constitution so much... yet they obviously have never read it.  Hmmm... kind of like the fundamentalists who are so hardline on their Holy Book yet completely miss the major point of its lessons.

      •  actually they're afraid (0+ / 0-)

        that the Court would not be activist-y enough. An ACTIVIST Court strikes down legislation based on its own reading of the Constitution (oh! the horror of judges reading and interpreting the Constitution!). A not-so-activist Court defers to the more democratic branches of government, especially the legislature.

        So what these clowns are really afraid of is that Congress would actually pass a gun regulation law, and the Supreme Court would exercise judicial restraint and NOT strike it down as an affront to the 2nd Amendment.

        Consistency, hobgoblin, small minds.

  •  Talk about getting it wrong (2+ / 0-)
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    Feinstein is one of the biggest support of the military industrial complex in the USA, including the arms industry.  Her mediocre bill which only acts prospectively will not get one gun of any kind off the street or mandate testing or registration of gun owners.  

    Treason's a bit harsh, but she should not be a democratic senator, because she supports major surveillance intrusion into the private lives of American citizens for no reason.

    "To recognize error, to cut losses, to alter course, is the most repugnant option in government." Historian Barbara Tuchman

    by Publius2008 on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 03:00:24 PM PST

    •  I call it Treason (2+ / 0-)
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      Not to mention that as a memeber of the Military Construction Appropriations subcommittee (2001-2005), DiFi awarded her husband (Richard C. Blum) three defense companies millions and millions of dollars in defense contracts while ignoring veteran health issues and expanding her wars for family profit.  

      Unfortunately, she got off, unlike Duke Cunningham (R-CA) who received lots of jail time for the same crime.

    •  Plublius - DiFi was just re-elected for a fourth (0+ / 0-)

      term. She will be 85 in 2018. However, If we could pass her "mediocre bill" is will be a big win for gun control. I don't think all of the provisions of DiFi's bill will make it through the Senate and prospects are worse in the House.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 09:33:11 PM PST

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  •  Why don't we (3+ / 0-)
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    sponsor a petition that says you get to own all of the guns you want, but to do so, you have to be part of a well regulated militia.

    The well regulated militia would require:
    -  All members are registered
    -  To become registered you have to pass certain qualifications (no mental illness, no felonies, or whatever)
    -  All weapons are documented
    -  To own the aforesaid weapon, you must prove that you are proficient in its use (i.e. certified for each weapon)
    -  To maintain possession of the weapon, you must undergo and pass a physical every two years
    -  You must also re-certify on weapon proficiency every year
    -  You must attend at least 8 hours of safety training per year
    -  You must report for militia duty for one or two weeks per year
    -  You must be available to support the United States in times of war

    I am sure there are other things that would ensure our militias are well regulated, but this (to me) is a start.

    •  Add to that: (1+ / 0-)
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      Swear the same oath that all of our military personnel do.

      I am not religious, and did NOT say I enjoyed sects.

      by trumpeter on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 03:49:46 PM PST

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      •  don't we call that the National Guard? /nt (1+ / 0-)
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        And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

        by Mortifyd on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 04:56:17 PM PST

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        •  That's part of the militia (1+ / 0-)
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          The militia has two components, the organized militia (the National Guard) and the unorganized militia, which is basically every adult citizen. The militia is ALWAYS accountable to the state or to the federal government when activated.

          Not that we're likely to ever activate the unorganized militia. But there are a lot of private armies which believe the purpose of the militia is to overthrow the government if they don't like it. The intent of the militia was to avoid having a standing army to avoid the possibilities of military coups. Any private army that doesn't recognize the chain of command isn't part of a well-regulated militia.

          The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

          by A Citizen on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 07:14:00 PM PST

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          •  hrm. where does it say that Joe Bubba and his (0+ / 0-)

            hunting rifle are part of any militia since we have both a standing Army and a National Guard?  Eligible for a draft - possibly - but how did that two part thing come into play?  Private "militias" should be illegal - see standing Army and National Guard.


            And we sail and we sail and we never see land, just the rum in the bottle and a pipe in my hand...

            by Mortifyd on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 09:29:59 PM PST

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            •  The Militia Act of 1903 (3+ / 0-)
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              The reserve militia[3] or unorganized militia, also created by the Militia Act of 1903 which presently consist of every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age who are not members of the National Guard or Naval Militia.(that is, anyone who would be eligible for a draft). Former members of the armed forces up to age 65 are also considered part of the "unorganized militia" per Sec 313 Title 32 of the US Code.[2]


              According to US law, the militia has two components: the organized militia (the National Guard and Naval Militia) and the unorganized militia.

              I agree that private militias are not militias at all. Nothing prevents people from training in the highly unlikely event that the unorganized militia was called up, but the militia is not a private army with its own agenda.

              The wolfpack eats venison. The lone wolf eats mice.

              by A Citizen on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 05:30:37 AM PST

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          •  Are you referring (0+ / 0-)

            to the fact that many of the folks who 'collect' weaponry consider themselves a militia, or have established a type of club or fraternity that they call a militia?

            Are you including (or excluding) the gun owners who have guns that are used for hunting, or a single gun for personal/home protection?

            I guess I am confused by 'unorganized militia'.  To me, by definition, an unorganized militia is not well regulated (which seems like it is contradictory to the 2nd Amendment - even though the Supreme Court has ruled rather broadly on this issue).

            And for that matter, if they are unorganized, how in the world would they ever be activated.

    •  First, you'd have to change the definition ... (0+ / 0-)

      of what "well-regulated" meant at the time the 2nd Amendment was crafted, which was only something along the lines of "in good working order".

      In other words, the term does not mean what some think it means.  

      "Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity, and I am not sure about the universe." -- Albert Einstein

      by Neuroptimalian on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 08:20:25 AM PST

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  •  "Nuts" is exactly the right word (2+ / 0-)
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    pistolSO, Mortifyd

    in this circumstance. General McAulif kept it short and sweet at Bastogne when dealing with that group of fascists. Have to keep it simple when we are dealing with the home-grown kind, too.

  •  The White House petition (1+ / 0-)
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    project has become an abject joke. Every other diarist has a personal petition up there demanding something or other, and the right wingers are doing the same. Before another person posts yet another petition on the site, ask yourself what possible good can come of it.

  •  Between the Dan White murders (0+ / 0-)

    and the Stockton school shootings, she been good on assualt weapons management

    Now with their party out of power, the GOP is flailing more then Mitch McConnell's jowls on a playground swing. S. Colbert

    by christomento on Tue Jan 08, 2013 at 04:47:13 PM PST

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