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Republicans seem pretty alien to me, but they sure don't prove that there is other intelligent life in the universe.

Seems logical that in this grand universe there would be Aliens .
Carl Sagan kept telling us that there are Billions and Billions of stars out there.
Surely - over time - intelligent life would develop somewhere other than just here.
But.... we don't see the spaceships
..........SETI doesn't get any radio signals

So......if we are alone, why ?

Could it be that any intelligent civilization goes the way of bacteria on a Petri dish
.... uses up all resources and then pollutes itself out of existence before it can become a spacefaring civilization.

Seems we would like to avoid a similar fate ?

Perhaps all you NASA fans would like to give us some extra time to become spacefaring

The major obstacle we have to get around is that of global warming via fossil fuel use increasing C02 in the atmosphere

Please help get us off of fossil fuels in the next 40 years
Visit the Whitehouse petition site :

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/...

Help to promote our survival by signing the petition
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Thanks
Barry Allen

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  •  There are plenty of reasons we haven't detected (8+ / 0-)

    any intelligent life. Personally I think we're arrogant to assume it'll be using some form of signal we can currently detect. The universe is freaking huge. If star fairing civilizations exists they will have found ways to get around the light speed limit. So why do we assume they're using radio waves?

    There could easily be a narrow window of a few hundred years in a civilization where they're reliant on radio waves to communicate. If that's the case we might have signals passing us by all the time and not even realize it.

    But still, the idea of getting off fossil fuels is a good one.

    What's wrong with America? I'll tell you. Everything Romney said was pre-chewed wads of cud from Republicans from the last 30 years and yet he managed thru a combination of racism and selling the (false) hope of riches to get 47% of the national vote.

    by ontheleftcoast on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 01:37:53 PM PST

    •  The idea of getting off fossil fuels is a good one (1+ / 0-)
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      ontheleftcoast

      Thanks for your verbal support
      Yes it's a good idea.
      If you understand the energy dynamics of global warming, it's the only idea that will change our future into a reasonable one.
      A good idea yes, so why didn't you sign the petition ?
      thanks
      Barry Allen

      •  Personally I think these Whitehouse petitions (0+ / 0-)

        are rather limited in what they can achieve. The President full well knows the impact of global warming and he's decided for the here and now that little can be done about it.

        What's wrong with America? I'll tell you. Everything Romney said was pre-chewed wads of cud from Republicans from the last 30 years and yet he managed thru a combination of racism and selling the (false) hope of riches to get 47% of the national vote.

        by ontheleftcoast on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 01:51:16 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  The President knows........? (0+ / 0-)

          Sorry, but I don't believe that the President really understands the immutability of climate change.

          When we put greenhouse gasses  in the atmosphere they are there basically forever in human lifespan terms.
          Further they encourage positive feedback to accelerate the damage.   It's like a train moving very fast - you can't stop it at the last minute.
          How many Hurricane Sandy's do we need ?

          If the president really understood what we are facing he would be doing something about it, now.

          Respectfully I suggest that you sign the petition,
          which, when 150 of us have done that will be visible to all and will generate more public discussion of climate change and what to do about it.
          Or do you expect Faux News to do something
          thanks
          Barry Allen

    •  We couldn't detect our own radio signals. (1+ / 0-)
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      With the technology we have, we wouldn't be able to detect the broadcast radio waves from a clone of Earth just a few light years away.  

      Broadcast signals are omnidirectional, and they diffuse with the cube of the distance they travel.  In no time they would be nearly impossible to pick out from the background noise.

      We have done some narrowcasts using a laser-type signal to very specific stars, but of course those don't reach the vast majority of stars.   Even with those, imprecisions creep in and it would take a 500-mile wide antenna to listen to the Beatles music NASA broadcast to Polaris - 430 light years away.

      •  So... Doesn't that mean... (0+ / 0-)

        ...that SETI is actually a waste of time and money?

        I'm not saying that to be critical of SETI. I'm all for pure research, including looking for other intelligent life. If what you just said is true, though, projects like that actually have no hope of picking up what they're looking for.

        •  SETI looks for deliberate messages (0+ / 0-)

          The kind of thing SETI is looking for is somebody who built a giant Death Star transmitter powered by several times the total electricity production of Earth.

          Looking for passive signs of aliens is a newer idea, and that's more about using telescopes to look for signs of somebody building a massive interplanetary ring of solar panels around a star.

        •  A waste of what money? (0+ / 0-)

          Most of SETI is done with SETI@Home, run on old data using contributed mips on home computers. Ironically, that distributed supercomputer was the first of its kind, and it gave rise to many more including the CERN supercomputer.

          So, just as astronomy invented CAT scan imaging (to figure out wave motions inside the sun), it also invented distributed supercomputing -- for SETI. But SETI pioneer Jill Tarter can't get $2.5 million to use mothballed radio telescopes for SETI.

  •  Some common sense approach (2+ / 0-)
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    too many people, peglyn

    to global energy is definitely needed. Expansion of alternative sources, especially clean-energy sources are going to be required before we make our planet uninhabitable.

    The aliens aren't going to show us their technology because they have no reason to trust us with it. Their only interest in coming earth is to dump their cats.

     

    Then they came for the trade unionists,
    and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

    by Ex Con on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 02:17:40 PM PST

    •  Exactly. I think if I were a... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...space fairing civilization, I'd want to know why I should be bothered with sharing advanced tech with a species that can't be bothered with taking care of its own planet and can't learn to stop killing each other.

      Trust has to be earned, after all.

  •  Perhaps an alien civilization that could survive (0+ / 0-)

    the meltdown you outline has also reached the point where it respects our right to make our own way and learn our lessons. If they interferred it would only prevent us from learning the lesson in a deep way. Do we grow as one species or do we kill ourselves? Because even if we get beyond the cul du sac we have entered there is probably more lessons to learn to survive as a species. Maybe we need to learn what our relationship is to other animals but we can not even agree how to treat females or people of different aspects or behaviors.

    AS for SETI perhaps it is not in our interest to attract predatory interest. Because there are conservatives who are environmentalists. But they celebrate predatory behavior as godly because thier hormones tell them so.

    Fear is the Mind Killer...

    by boophus on Wed Jan 09, 2013 at 02:38:56 PM PST

    •  Kind of like the... (0+ / 0-)

      ...Prime Directive from Star Trek.

      Mass Effect also delved into the problems with "uplifting" a race before they're ready. If you haven't played any of the games (and with what they did to the ending to the trilogy in ME3, I'm not sure it's worth the effort any more) and don't think you probably will, take some time at some point to read the back story for the krogan.

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