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For the past two nights, I have seen on MSNBC that my state (Michigan) and a number of other states that voted for Obama in both 2008 and 2012, are planning on stacking the deck in favor of the Republicans for future Presidential elections by doing what they have already gotten away with in the past--gerrymandering.

I am really upset and angry about this.  But, I feel powerless as an individual to do anything to stop it from happening.  It doesn't look good for it not happening.  What's to stop them when they have gotten away with it already?

I need to hear from fellow Michiganders to hear what if any ideas people have to stop this from happening?

Also how about fellow Kossacks that are in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida, Virginia, and  Wisconsin?

I am so upset that I hope all you will have a plethora of ideas to calm me down.

The republican party refuses to change anything in their platform to appeal to a changing electorate so they try (and usually get away with it) to cheat because they know they can't win any other way.

So, What Are We Going To Do About This?

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Will the Republicans get away with changing the electoral college in their favor?

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  •  Other (8+ / 0-)

    I voted "other" because I plan to work very hard against such a scheme in Iowa and elsewhere.  If we all work hard ($, time, publicity), the electoral-vote grabbers will end up grabbing nothing.

  •  Well, you're better off in MI than in other places (9+ / 0-)

    You at least have some say in the process with public referenda options.  That's how you fight it.

    There is also the small possibility, but I think increasingly likely, that you might be able to win back all three branches of goverment in 2014.  Labor seems to believe that it is possible.  Obviously, if that happens, then the situation is moot.

    I'm less worried about Ohio and Florida, because both states allow for publicly initiated referenda.  WI is only a worry if Walker doesn't get the presidential nomination.  VA is a worry, too, but McDonnell probably doesn't want to lose VA's clout if he runs for pres.  PA is a huge worry.  IA could be a problem if the GOP gets all three branches of government in 2014.

    I'm not going to lie to you.  I think we end up getting hosed on at least one of those states.

    GODSPEED TO THE WISCONSIN FOURTEEN!

    by LordMike on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 08:46:16 PM PST

  •  Ohio Here, It's Really Terrifying, and We Have to (8+ / 0-)

    know that this was the real reason behind the recent gerrymandering.

    Ohio votes 50-50 but sends the House 3:1 Republicans. It will next send the Electoral College 3:1 Republicans no matter how the people vote.

    What to do? I got nothing, but in Ohio I know there's at present some strong union, populist activism and I'm looking them for suggestions about where and how to pitch in.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 08:46:43 PM PST

  •  In talking you off the ledge, let me suggest: (1+ / 0-)
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    winsock

    The Electoral College is immune from any sort of gerrymandering that the Republicans might want to put into effect.  While gerrymandering may hinder efforts to regain control of state legislatures or may affect representation in the US House of Representatives, it has no effect on state-wide elections for positions like governor, US Senator, or the presidency of the United States.  Electors committed to the Electoral College reflect the outcome of state-wide voting, regardless of how the dominate party in the state legislature messes with district boundaries to protect their own little fiefdoms...

    It'll be OK...take my hand and crawl back through this open window...

    "In a nation ruled by swine, all pigs are upward mobile..." - Dr. Hunter S. Thompson

    by Jack K on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 08:51:31 PM PST

    •  Not if Priebus and others have their way (4+ / 0-)

      and electors are chosen according to legislative districts.  Then the electoral college looks just like the House of Representatives.  Not pretty.

      Things work out best for those who make the best of the way things work out.

      by winsock on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 09:13:57 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  You've missed the point entirely (4+ / 0-)

      What these states are contemplating doing is changing the mechanism by which their electoral votes are allocated.

      Instead of 'winner take all' as is the case now, these states would award their electoral votes one per congressional district, and two for the overall state winner.

      So for example: Wisconsin has eight congressional districts plus two senators, meaning ten electoral votes. Obama won the state, so Obama got ten electoral votes.

      But in the (gerrymandered) congressional races, Republicans won five of the eight seats. If the plan being talked about here were in place, and the presidential race in each district ended with the 'same' result as the congressional races - meaning Obama wins in three of the eight, and Romney wins in five of the eight - Wisconsin would have awarded five electoral votes to Obama, and five to Romney.

  •  The death of the electoral college (12+ / 0-)

    and Congressional gerrymandering, long game goals, should be advocated by all non-Conservatives from here on out.

    I know that sounds flippant, but I'm serious.

    The long game should be to fight for both outcomes.

    On the Electoral College:

    If you can win the national popular vote, but cannot become President because the GOP has rigged the game due to allocating Blue States by gerrymandered congressional districts, it's time for it to die.

    The idea of destroying the institution has been around for a while, but the GOP actually turning it into a partisan weapon to fix Presidential elections will actually make the argument to abolish it for it's supporters.

    If Red states give 100% of their votes to the GOP, and Blue states split their votes due to GOP rules rigging, suddenly an entrenched national dinosaur becomes a national cancer.

    On gerrymandering:

    The demographics of the nation are changing. If districts are drawn based on population, rather than by partisans, the districts created will be both allocated to where the people are, and where the people are, the more friendly to Democrats and non-Conservative policies and politicians you get.

    I'm not talking about rigging the game, there would still be rural seats, just not so many as a Teahadi would draw up, and I think with the demographic shifts in this nation, the House will be winnable in the urban and suburban districts created.

    In the short term?

    Make as much noise about it as possible.

    The GOP needs you not to be paying attention to fuck you. They are like cockroaches that way.

    Shine a light, and they often scatter.
    Fight, and they often fold.
    Keep fighting, and you often win because Conservatism is about preserving the past and maintaining the status quo, not moving forward.

    I am from the Elizabeth Warren and Darcy Burner wing of the Democratic Party

    by LeftHandedMan on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 08:54:05 PM PST

  •  What are we going to do about this? (1+ / 0-)
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    LordMike

    The only thing we can do: Nothing.

  •  it's really bugging me too (3+ / 0-)
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    LordMike, angrybird, Lava20

    I saw today where VA is going to bring it to a vote - (although at least one Republican on the committee voted present instead of for the bill and will probably vote against it on the floor, she states) -

    the argument that it would turn a battleground state irrelevant to the national elections won't stop them - according to this slate article, it would have turned VA into a 9/4 split in favor of Romney

    http://www.slate.com/...

    it would be nice to see the national popular vote interstate compact take care of the problem, but that's years away - it MIGHT renew the argument of the electoral college - if you have a state that votes for Obama seeing the legitimately elected winner discarded in preference of congressional district gerrymandered vote totals, it could light a democratic firestorm in those states that throws the Republican bums out

    MN is going to be fine and AK (where I'm moving) is gonna stay red - but in your battleground states, the fight isn't over - I wish you guys good luck and hope the Democratic Party is looking at their legal options as well

    RB

    There are only two kinds of music - the blues and Zip Pa Dee Doo Dah - Townes Van Zandt

    by whiskeytown on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 09:26:46 PM PST

  •  Make it clear to the republicans (and to everyone (2+ / 0-)
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    angrybird, rosarugosa

    else in the state) that if they do this, that the democratic presidential candidates will no longer need to put money into solidly democratic areas since the democratic candidate will win those electoral votes.    Instead, they will be spending their money in swing areas and in red areas of the state.  

    And the money the democratic presidential candidate spends in these red areas and swing areas will help democratic challenger defeat republican congressional incumbent.  Make it real clear that you would love to see something like OFA pump a lot of money into Republican Representative [give name]'s district to defeat that particular representative.

    And when the republican congressional incumbents realize this, they may put pressure on the state party not to attempt this.  

  •  A diary was written earlier about this. (2+ / 0-)
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    Simplify, angrybird

    Maybeyou guys can work together...

    Poverty = politics.

    by Renee on Wed Jan 23, 2013 at 09:56:23 PM PST

  •  THANKS for DIary. PLEASE recommend (1+ / 0-)
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    angrybird

    because this is a BFD
    huge

    horrible.
    if they get away with it it will be a coup d'etat as far as I am concerned.

  •  It makes you wonder what they think they have (2+ / 0-)
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    non acquiescer, angrybird

    to offer if the system has to be rigged in their favor, doesn't it?
    I think a concerted effort would have to be made to educate people on what is going on. Most Americans don't like this sort of thing.

  •  There could be a constitutional crisis unlike (1+ / 0-)
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    angrybird

    anything we have seen in 2016.  Financial markets collapsing, riots....this could change the USA forever.

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