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Wait, why are Republicans the party of angry old white guys again?
As the country turns its focus to discussing immigration reform, sure is tough to be the party that hates brown people, isn't it? As Laura Clawson explained, on the one hand, Republicans will keep losing Latino voters by huge margins without supporting some kind of immigration reform—but on the other hand, well, Republicans are nuts.

How nuts? Here's Rep. Lou Barletta (R-PA) to demonstrate:

“It’s amnesty that America can’t afford,” Barletta said Monday. “We have to stop people from coming in illegally. This will be a green light for anyone who wants to come to America illegally and then be granted citizenship one day.” [...]

“I hope politics is not at the root of why we’re rushing to pass a bill. Anyone who believes that they’re going to win over the Latino vote is grossly mistaken,” Barletta said. “The majority that are here illegally are low-skilled or may not even have a high school diploma. The Republican Party is not going to compete over who can give more social programs out. They will become Democrats because of the social programs they’ll depend on.”

It's amazing, and yet utterly predictable, that Republicans are incapable of talking about immigration reform without immediately turning it into a conversation about uneducated, unskilled Latinos who will just become handout-demanding 47 percenters, because even though, you know, this is America, and people immigrate here from all over the globe with varying levels of education and skills, we're talking about the Republican Party. The party that makes up stories about scary brown people beheading innocent Americans in the desert. The party that says "you people" are too dumb to understand why Republicans are better for you. The party that recently held its "How to talk to chicks and browns more nice-like" panel in the plantation room of a former slave plantation.

Gosh, sure is hard to imagine why Sen. Lindsey Graham warned last year that the his party isn't "generating enough angry white guys to stay in business for the long term," isn't it?

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Originally posted to Kaili Joy Gray on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:32 AM PST.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  I admit, I'm enjoying seeing (11+ / 0-)

    Republicans dig themselves in deeper over immigration.

    Talk about no-win. Just what the hell are they supposed to do?

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:40:42 AM PST

    •  When you try to make decisions based on an (15+ / 0-)

      anti-reality delusion, you're bound to have some difficulties.

      They actually believe all that bullshit they spew.

      They are more than just stupid and annoying: they are ruining our lives needlessly.

      We should not actually have to tolerate them fucking all this stuff up. it's like letting a house burn down because 'its not time to call the fire department'.

      Waiting to 'vote' will not help this at all.

      The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

      by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:47:31 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Except that... (5+ / 0-)
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      This country desperately needs and sorely deserves to have its problems addressed.

      'Goodwill' between the GOP and the President is as abundant as unicorn farts - Me'

      by RichM on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:51:43 AM PST

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      •  That's why this is kind of a relief. (1+ / 0-)
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        Kos's post had me concerned that the goopers might actually be joining us in the real world and thereby slowing down their current path towards becoming a regional party.

        If there is no accountability for those who authorized torture, we can no longer say that we are a nation of laws, not men.

        by MikePhoenix on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:10:34 AM PST

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        •  Given the make up of the elected members (4+ / 0-)

          of their caucus - and the demographics of what's left of their base - I don't really think you have to worry for the time being.

          But be very clear about the fact that they are going to be looking for every wingnut Hispanic person in this country that they can find to put in front of cameras at rallies, to do interviews and to run in certain districts in hopes of selling their books with new covers.

    •  Hey, if America is the absolutely bestest country (17+ / 0-)

      in the world, then why doesn't the GOP believe that we will see a flood of white European immigrants fleeing their socialist hellscapes? Just wondering.

      Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

      by bigtimecynic on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:53:12 AM PST

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      •  And where is the wall between us and Canada??? (8+ / 0-)

        The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men.

        by xxdr zombiexx on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:57:31 AM PST

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      •  You think you're joking around :) (2+ / 0-)
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        with the crackpot social theories but I have seen misspelled online comments by unhinged RW-ers seriously promoting the "natural superiority" of "blue-eyed races."

        Yeah, males make more money, in part, because they end up in more lucrative careers. I suppose this is evidence they're "naturally superior" to females?

        It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

        by karmsy on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:01:38 AM PST

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        •  Natural Superiority (2+ / 0-)
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          My Siamese cats are smarter than the average GOoPer pundit, so I guess there's some evidence for the blue-eyes thing....

          On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog... but everybody knows if you're a jackass.

          by stevemb on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:22:51 AM PST

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          •  Heh. (0+ / 0-)

            Siamese cats are cute, but if you're talking on the phone, a Siamese cat in the vicinity will actually come up and start (sic) shrieking in the phone receiver, drowning out your voice. This is no exaggeration. Their sense of entitlement knows no bounds. Sort of like Tea Partiers, I guess.

            It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

            by karmsy on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:28:32 AM PST

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        •  Yay, I'm superior! (1+ / 0-)
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          I just knew my eye color made me better than the rest of you heathens! Just can't let em know about my Jewish grandfather.

          There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

          by slothlax on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:53:04 AM PST

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          •  Wouldn't flash that "Jewish grandfather" (0+ / 0-)

            around if I were you, pal. Blue eyes or no, they might ask to see your papers, then it's all over.

            It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

            by karmsy on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 08:18:36 PM PST

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      •  Funny, that (0+ / 0-)

        I once worked with a woman whose boyfriend was an illegal resident from Romania, and so were so some his pals.

        He once had a serious car accident (no injuries) while he was driving recklessly, and they reported on the scene that she was driving so that his lack of  a license wouldn't open the door to other issues.   (shake head)  Last I heard, they had an unexpected baby so don't know how that would affect for him.
         

    •  more forced pregnancy laws? (2+ / 0-)
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      make poor Southern white ladies keep popping out the babes...

      yeah that will save the Republicans, of course, it helps to cripple the public education system first so them wimminfolk don't get other ideas

      fact does not require fiction for balance (proudly a DFH)

      by mollyd on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:55:32 AM PST

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    •  They can't help themselves, bless their hearts... (0+ / 0-)
    •  I am too (5+ / 0-)
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      However I'm worried that we are not looking at addressing the root causes of why we have so many undocumented workers and are only preposing measures that will temporarily improve things for the current crop of workers and then we will be in the same situation as we are now with a new group of undocumented workers.  In 1986 we granted amnest and in less then five years people were already grumbling about illegal immigrants again.

      As long as there are people making their way to America willing to work for a pittance in unsafe conditions we will always have a problem with new workers undercutting the livelihood of documented workers. There can be no solution until the all of the nations of the Americas grow ther economy's large enough to provide living wages for their citizens. Instead we continue to encourage policies and trade agreements that guarantee amoral American businesses access to a never ending pool of desperate workers.

      •  Outsource more jobs to Mexico (1+ / 0-)
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        So Mexicans have more incentive to stay home?

        •  Huh? (1+ / 0-)
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          The commenter is on to global economic realities that have been largely missing from the immigration debate. It's like we're not allowed to discuss them seriously.

          Your comment is obnoxiously flippant, or that's the way I read it.

          It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

          by karmsy on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:07:21 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

        •  No, stop beating the South and Central American (4+ / 0-)

          economy into the dirt so they can grow their own jobs.
          Cafta dumps our goods onto their markets and wipes out their domestic production, particularly their farmers. They have the lovely choice of starving or leaving.
          And of course, our war on drugs has made staying not only difficult but also dangerous.
          So it's not just the domestic business climate here, it's also the effects of our political policies.

          If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

          by CwV on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:11:41 AM PST

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      •  This is the brillliant comment. (1+ / 0-)
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        This is probably at the back of a lot of peoples' minds, but in a Democratic forum, you just came right out and said it.

        Thanks.

        It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

        by karmsy on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:03:48 AM PST

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      •  While your policy ideas are sound... (0+ / 0-)

        On their own merits, I don't see how it's related to the problem.  

        The problem, as you correctly identify it, is that people are being exploited in America for cheap labor.  Your solution is to raise up the economy of every other country in our hemisphere, so that poor people from those countries will no longer see it as favorable to come here for work.  I think the easier and cheaper solution would be to enforce and improve our current minimum wage laws.  

        Enforce minimum wage laws in the country's chicken processing plants, farms, etc.   Make the laws more hospitable to labor unions.  If they can't attract people at the minimum wage, they'll have to offer higher wages.

    •  Blocking reform is short-sighted (2+ / 0-)
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      I mean, as fun as it is to see the Republicans in an apparent no-win conundrum, they're presented with a pretty easy long-term strategy.  They can support reform, and maybe lose another election due to low base turnout, but they'll make inroads with the Hispanic vote and some of those "8 million new Democrats" will shift.  They're not branded as Democrats, this is why we vote.  In a cycle or two the Republicans can just drop the opposition to gay marriage and birth control and support marijuana legalization and they'll capture more of the young vote.  I worry that's a winning coalition even if they change nothing else (Ryan's Vouchercare didn't cost them the senior vote, for example).

      The Obama coalition is fragile.  Democrats can't just take for granted that brown people will automatically vote for them forever.  It's true right now, because the Republicans are openly hostile to non-whites.  But if they drop that act, and they will eventually, the numbers will balance out a bit.

      However, all signs are that Republicans don't get it yet, and they're preparing to block immigration reform.  I think the best case scenario for us is that a bill squeaks through Obamacare-style after months of arm-twisting that puts Republicans on the losing end of the argument in a very public way.  But the best political course for Republicans would be for them to sign onto a watered-down bill with a minimum of hissy fits and little opposition.

      •  Yup (0+ / 0-)

        I think the white vote will be conditioned enough to continue going Republican for a while after they moderate the social stuff. But as time passes and politics becomes bosses vs workers instead of brown vs white, we win in the long run. That's why the GOP has such a hard time letting go.

        There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

        by slothlax on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:59:38 AM PST

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  •  i think that everything this guy just said (7+ / 0-)


    should probably be on that list of things the Republican advisors are telling them not to say.

    "Kossacks are held to a higher standard. Like Hebrew National hot dogs." - blueaardvark

    by louisev on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:43:12 AM PST

  •  He is worried about the wrong set of immigrants. (16+ / 0-)

    Highly educated immigrants are much more likely to enter legally. settle, become citizens, and vote. Of course highly educated voters are the most likely to vote Democratic- 95% of professional scientists are Democrats.

    •  I don't think it used to be 95%. (8+ / 0-)

      I think it used to be pretty evenly split between Dems and Republicans.  But then the Republicans decided to wage an anti-science War on Reality.  It's pretty hard to support a party that loudly and proudly despises everything you've worked for in life.  

      Metaphors be with you.

      by koosah on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:54:43 AM PST

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    •  repubs fear the stupid, should also fear the smart (2+ / 0-)
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      You point is really interesting.

      There are a lot of immigrant sub-groups. National origin is one division. Economics and education creates others.

      Some people are coming to find a job, any job. They may have limited skills, but they have immense willingness and NEED to work. They are heavily exploited by the Republican base - and they increasingly understand who is doing it to them.

      Others are coming because there are high-skill jobs here that they really want as career choices. These are generally well educated and come from nations that align much more closely with progressive values. They don't fear government the way earlier waves of immigrants (e.g., from Scotland, Ireland, Italy and Eastern Europe) did.

      The problem for Republicans is that both will likely vote disproportionately for Democrats. In fact, just about any inbound immigration flow is going to work against the GOP.

      Tough place to be :-)

      Maturity: Doing what you know is right - even though you were told to do it

      by grapes on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:07:54 AM PST

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      •  I was thinking that British soccer hooligans might (4+ / 0-)
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        be a possibility for Republican-leaning immigrants. But I am afraid that many of them are on the dole.

        Maxine Le Pen has some promising supporters, but unfortunately they are French.

        Silvio Berlusconi would fit right in (I am assuming Italian is OK these days), but he doesn't have any supporters any more.

        In Israel there are many who share their values, but they are somewhat Aryan-challenged.

        The Taliban are the only group that I can think of that would truly fit in. They are Aryan, want to destroy the US government, won't put up with feminists, don't like science or liberal education, and are enthusiastic about gun rights. They already hate Indians and would probably be willing to extend that to blacks, Hispanics, and any other minority group. Where is not to like?

        •  By George (W), I think you've got it. (2+ / 0-)
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          That's how we can get out of Afghanistan without "losing" the war.

          Bring all of the Taliban and their families to the US and put them up in 'villages' that we set up in foreclosed suburban McMansions.

          Think about it. Bail out the banks by buying up of their foreclosed properties and bury the cost in the DOD budget. You can do anything and not hurt the deficit or anything else if you put it in the DOD budget .. don'tcha know?

          Now all of the teabaggers in the suburbs will have new neighbors that have AK-47s locked and loaded.

          Just think of the militias you can raise!

          [point of order: is a snark tag always required?]

          Maturity: Doing what you know is right - even though you were told to do it

          by grapes on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 11:04:08 AM PST

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  •  This Quip is a verbatim Parrot of (6+ / 0-)
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    a Limbaugh clip shown on Lawrence O last night

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:43:37 AM PST

  •  the real reason they oppose immigration reform (7+ / 0-)

    it is the only real answer to solving social security's long-term deficit problem.  opening immigration would expand the worker base and boost the economy.  when they can no longer point to projected SS shortfalls, the GOP will have a much harder time of trying to destroy the program.

    srsly...immigration is the only real answer, because population dynamics have the program by the short and curlies.

    Please don't dominate the rap, Jack, if you got nothin' new to say - Grateful Dead

    by Cedwyn on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:43:44 AM PST

  •  Guess genius didn't get the memo about (5+ / 0-)
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    avoiding words like "amnesty" and "illegal" so as not to offend those lazy brown people.

    Also, fairies. They should talk more about fairies and queens and masculine women who hate men.

    Also, too, freedom.

    P.S. I am not a crackpot.

    by BoiseBlue on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:43:50 AM PST

  •  Yes, while business sponsored Republicans (2+ / 0-)
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    quietly try to pass business friendly immigration reform, the crazies hopefully can be counted on to continue to weaken the GOP brand in the eyes of non bigoted voters.

    “The future depends entirely on what each of us does every day.” Gloria Steinem

    by ahumbleopinion on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:46:06 AM PST

  •  Somebody needs to call this bigot out for (5+ / 0-)
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    demagoguery:

    “I hope politics is not at the root of why we’re rushing to pass a bill. Anyone who believes that they’re going to win over the Latino vote is grossly mistaken,” Barletta said. “The majority that are here illegally are low-skilled or may not even have a high school diploma. The Republican Party is not going to compete over who can give more social programs out. They will become Democrats because of the social programs they’ll depend on.”
    Make this jerk prove the bullshit being peddled here has any iota of truth to it.

    Or would this GOP apologist for corporate welfare prefer that NOBODY make a living wage?

    LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

    by BlackSheep1 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:46:54 AM PST

    •  That might be correct. (1+ / 0-)
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      I can't produce data to prove it but from the people I've met, the majority of undocumented workers are young laborers who had no opportunity to get educated, all they have is the strength of their backs and a willingness to work.
      It's the lines that follow that are hideous.
      These people leave their families and homes, risk everything to come here and bust their 4sses at jobs white Americans simply won't do, they apply the same work ethic that characterized Americans several generations ago (but no longer) a fair day's work for modest pay, many of them have taxes withheld from their pay but because they are undocumented, don't file for returns, don't apply for SocSec.
      So accusing them of swelling the rolls of services without contributing is (as you would expect from the GOP) inside out and backwards.

      If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

      by CwV on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:36:02 AM PST

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  •  The Republican Party isn't competing for any votes (3+ / 0-)
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    other than the Crazy Gun Slinging Racist Old White Man vote. It's too bad for them that their representatives aren't bright enough to understand that.

    It's bad for us while they linger, of course, but eventually these knuckle-draggers will disappear from the political discourse.

  •  ugh. and Barletta's my new (5+ / 0-)

    congresscritter. Thanks, gerrymandering.

    (His words will play nicely in his new, increasingly elderly and declining population district. yuck.)

    [insert pithy sig line here]

    by terrypinder on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:47:47 AM PST

    •  Sorry, terry. I have been so happy to have gotten (1+ / 0-)
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      gerrymandered OUT of his district I never thought of the suffering of others.

      What gets me is in this part of PA most folks of my generation (I'm age 69), had parents or grandparents who were "from the old country" or "just off the boat".

      I am betting  Barletta's roots are not so far back either and yet he is acting as if the "boat" they came on was the Santa Maria.

      So if our relatives had to put up with mistreatment now WE get to act like rotten fools too?

      Is that the American dream I heard about? Is that why my grandfather sponsored relatives and friends to come on over?

      “We are all connected; To each other, biologically. To the earth, chemically. To the rest of the universe atomically.” ― Neil deGrasse Tyson

      by astrogeology girl on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 11:59:53 PM PST

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  •  When you've been hammering away for years, (2+ / 0-)
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    you lose the ability to distinguish plumbing and electrical issues.

  •  Arithmetic (1+ / 0-)
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    http://www.imdb.com/...

    James Bond: Yes, well, I've worked out a few statistics of my own. 15 billion dollars in gold bullion weighs 10,500 tons. Sixty men would take twelve days to load it onto 200 trucks.
    Applies equally to gold bars and Immigrants

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:50:14 AM PST

  •  Here is the ironic thing... (3+ / 0-)
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    They want to take a 'law and order' stance on the issue.  Which, on face value, is not a terrible thing.  But in this case, like most other things in the GOP, it only goes to show their rank hypocrisy.  They have tried to make rape a gray area issue: it ain't rape unless it was forced!  So if your daughter goes to a college party and somebody puts something in her drink and then she passes out while a few sickos have sex with her resulting in pregnancy - well tough shit.  And murder.  The GOP has supported using deadly force in property crimes and if the person you shoot just looks like they are threatening.  But don't worry - if a black man 'stands his ground', well, he is still going to jail.

    'Goodwill' between the GOP and the President is as abundant as unicorn farts - Me'

    by RichM on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:50:59 AM PST

  •  Hmm. (5+ / 0-)
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    My Ukranian-born grandfather had no high school education/diploma and always worked.  Always.  And he did so well into his sixties.  

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:51:26 AM PST

    •  Serious snark alert: (4+ / 0-)
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      Oh, well...your grandfather was a "good" lighter-skinned European immigrant, not one of those (ahem) browner-skinned kind.

      Which is ironic, because back in your grandfather's day, many of our current immigration laws were intended to limit Eastern and Southern European immigrants and keep Asians completely OUT.

      There is always some group of people trying to immigrate here who will be accused of being lazy, non-English-speaking, shiftless and unhygienic despite the reality that they are none of those things.    

      Metaphors be with you.

      by koosah on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:05:44 AM PST

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      •  And before that it was the Irish that no one wante (2+ / 0-)
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        They were lazy drunks that would undermine the Protestant identity of America.

      •  Once again the particular hypocrisy of (2+ / 0-)
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        Barletta, a descendant of brown-skinned immigrants from the south of Italy.

        He's been active in immigrant bashing ever since he was a city official in Hazleton PA, where he made national news quite a few times.

        An "Arpaio wanna-be?"

        "...pero mi corazón me aconseja, que los nacionalismos - ¡qué miedo me dan!" - Enrique Bunbury (El Extranjero)

        by JustGiaco on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:29:10 AM PST

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  •  Bring on the Bishops! (2+ / 0-)
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    The Catholic Church, which has a recent habit of being a GOP support group on issues like reproductive rights and gay rights, would LOVE a larger Latin American population to stem their attendance losses.  Let's get on the Church to support this. If nothing else it will be a nice little wedge issue between them and their buddies in the GOP. And if they choose not to get involved, well then it will be a nice little wedge issue between the church and Hispanics.

    Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the War Room!

    by bigtimecynic on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:51:27 AM PST

  •  If this is an indication of how Republicans (7+ / 0-)

    will be approaching the upcoming immigration reform debate, then all I have to say is:

    Congratulations Speaker Pelosi!

    “Th’ noise ye hear is not th’ first gun iv a revolution. It’s on’y th’ people iv the United States batin’ a carpet.” - Mr. Dooley

    by puakev on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 09:51:29 AM PST

  •  Of Course (1+ / 0-)
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    Heart of the Rockies

    If the Republicans are afraid the immigrants will vote Democratic, then they are admitting that the majority of immigrants are more intelligent than the majority of white males.

  •  House Republicans: No More Birthdays (2+ / 0-)
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    because kids will just grow up and become democrats and we won't be able to do anything about it...

    "We must not confuse absolutism for principle." - Barack Obama

    by Beastly Fool on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:07:06 AM PST

  •  I'm guessing Rep. Barletta didn't make the (2+ / 0-)
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    TomP, Heart of the Rockies

    sensitivity training session at the retreat last weekend.

  •  I belong to a group called (2+ / 0-)
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    TomP, Heart of the Rockies

    Neighbors in Support of Immigrants. We formed in the winter of 2009, several months after the murder of an Ecuadorean man, Marcelo Lucero, by several maurading White youths. This happened on Long Island, NY, where I live.

    One of my functions is to pull together a fact sheet about the immigrant experience on LI. I rely heavily on the work of David Kallick from the Fiscal Policy Institute.

    One basic takeaway from my research is that the latino immigrant adds to the economy.

  •  RE: unskilled labor, I defy Lou to come out to the (4+ / 0-)

    farm and operate the equipment.  He can run the backhoe, drive an 18 wheeler, have his choice of tractors or he can shoe the horses and repair the high tensile fence or he can help rebuild the 540 ci diesel motor that needs to be pulled and rebuilt.

    All of the Mexican crew can do this in addition to running other self propelled machines, caring for animals, or harvesting diverse crops.

    What skills does Lou bring to the table?  It seems the country is in trouble because of too many unskilled people in elective office

  •  There are no unskilled immigrants (5+ / 0-)

    Notice I'm not even bothering to include that worthless and inaccurate adjective "illegal". The basic reality is that every person who manages to immigrate to the US has skills and in most cases very valuable ones.

    #1 on that list (in my opinion) is the desire to improve ones condition in life, and I damn sure do believe that is a skill which many people don't have.

    Doctors, lawyers, teachers from other countries come to the US both through the regular channels and "other" means. In many cases they can't practice their trained profession and find whatever work they can because it's STILL better than what was available to them back home.

    Many of them already know English as a second language, or learn it as quickly as possible.

    As in so many cases, the core weakness among Republicans on this issue is that their initial assumptions are faulty and when you build upon a faulty foundation the end result will not stand.

    Every mason knows this, every mathematician, every logician, every construction worker.

    Anyway, it's not about preventing low skilled workers from coming to the US, that's just another lie they tell.

    It's about making sure that those people remain unprotected by law and easily exploitable. That's what it's always about with Republicans. They got theirs and everyone else just exists to serve their own selfish needs.

    Ridicule is the only weapon which can be used against unintelligible propositions. Ideas must be distinct before reason can act upon them - Thomas Jefferson 30 July, 1816

    by Roiling Snake Ball on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:10:22 AM PST

    •  Well said. (2+ / 0-)
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      Jay C, Heart of the Rockies
      It's about making sure that those people remain unprotected by law and easily exploitable.
      The immigration issue will never be solved because having a ready pool of undocumented, unprotected labor is a way for corporatists to outsource jobs without actually moving the jobs to another country.  Why move your meat plant to Guatemala, when the Guatemalans will come here?  They still will be working in unsafe conditions for a fraction of the cost that a union worker would get, but the management won't have to live in some third world country.        

      Metaphors be with you.

      by koosah on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:20:02 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Not on board with his leadership (1+ / 0-)
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    slothlax
    “I hope politics is not at the root of why we’re rushing to pass a bill."
    Anybody clue Rep. Barletta in on the vote in Colorado? It went 85% for President Obama. If his side of the aisle continues to disregard "the politics," aka the voters, the aisle will shift significantly leftward. Observe how willing his caucus is, to arrive at a compromise on immigration.
    "Anyone who believes that they’re going to win over the Latino vote is grossly mistaken"
    So true, Rep. Barletta. Anyone who believes that those of his caucus who maintain their racist attitudes toward immigrants and their seats in Congress are grossly mistaken.

    Why do you need to motivate your employees? Didn't you hire motivated people?

    by davelf2 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:10:38 AM PST

  •  Is the "I" word really necessary? (1+ / 0-)
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    slothlax

    If you're going to use it, even when attributing to someone else, I would recommend bleeping it: I****s or just saying "the I word."

    http://colorlines.com/...

  •  GOP Rep Barletta is correct for wrong reason (1+ / 0-)
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    slothlax

    Newly minted citizens will be more likely to vote Dem simply because of the noxious policies and racist exclusionary talk and general social idiocy of the GOP regarding marriage abortion and the social nets.

    But should the GOP successfully obstruct Immigration reform, not only are the GOP going to get less popular support from Latinos/Hispanics, but also, from other immigrant communities.

    Thats a certified loosing strategy.

    The owner of this very site has termed it a loose loose proposition for the GOP.

    Should the GOP play hard ball on this issue, they will continue to loose support of a big huge chunk of the 50,000 or so LEGAL immigrants that turn 18 EVERY MONTH.

    And its obvious that most of the undocumented Immigrants dont like the tone of the current GOP and should they get the vote, they wont be casting them for the GOP anytime soon. Its loose loose for thei GOP either way.

    Pres Obama should push this issue without fear, he should not let it Immigration fight morph him into be a caricature of a wimp who cant stand the heat of the GOP kitchen.

    •  Nitpick alert (2+ / 0-)
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      slothlax, larissa2

      "Loose" means "not tight".  The opposite of "loose" is "tight". Your shoelaces can be loose, but you'll trip on the laces. "Lose" means "not win". The opposite of "lose" is "win". A "lose-lose" proposition has no way to win; a "loose loose" proposition has no way to be tightened.

      Love your post, your use of homophones drives me nuts.

      Why do you need to motivate your employees? Didn't you hire motivated people?

      by davelf2 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:52:23 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Because why help people if there's nothing in it (2+ / 0-)
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    slothlax, Heart of the Rockies

    for you personally?

  •  Sounds like a lose/lose situation for Republicans (1+ / 0-)
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  •  At least he got (1+ / 0-)
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    Heart of the Rockies

    the "grossly mistaken" part right!

    The underest dog is just as good as I am, and I'm just as good as the toppest dog. - Jimmie Rodgers

    by GreenCA on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:15:49 AM PST

  •  What Really Scares Them... (0+ / 0-)

    ...is the example of people struggling on the lower rungs of the economic ladder who don't get fooled into voting against their interests by mind-clouding God-Gays-Guns incantations. That sort of thing might be contagious....

    On the Internet, nobody knows if you're a dog... but everybody knows if you're a jackass.

    by stevemb on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:20:28 AM PST

  •  I don't know whether to be sad or angry (0+ / 0-)

    when I realize that someone with such ignorant, hateful, short-sighted ideas is in a position to enact laws and policy that affect my life.  At the minimum - having both a heart and a brain should be a requirement for public office.

  •  Of two minds. (1+ / 0-)
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    slothlax

    Part of me wants the GOP to completely wreck all chances of reform which would probably help turn the House Democratic in 2014, and most certainly keep the WH in Dem hands in 2016. Then again, it's people's lives we're talking about, and they need an immigration plan now. Still ... is it awful to wonder if a couple more years of sacrifice to get a Democratic House may not, in the end, end up with a much more favorable policy on immigration? Yeah, I guess that it is awful.

  •  If only the native Americans had the wherewithall (0+ / 0-)

    to stop these Europeans at the shore and not let them build colonies in the first place.

    Happy little moron, Lucky little man.
    I wish I was a moron, MY GOD, Perhaps I am!
    —Spike Milligan

    by polecat on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:37:02 AM PST

  •  What a bunch of slackers (0+ / 0-)

    Goes along with the whole "we lost so let's change the rules instead of figuring out why we lost" idea. Much easier to just write off whole segments of the population than try to get then to vote for you. You might have to learn what ola means and that's just too much work.

    I mean, there are plenty of people on benefits who vote Republican. Just tell the Latinos what you tell them, that black people are the real enemy.

    There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

    by slothlax on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:49:12 AM PST

  •  Yep, I'm sure his ancestors who came over (2+ / 0-)
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    during the early 20th century were all college graduates.  I guess to be a Repugnant you have to forget about all the history that preceded you.  Maybe that's why they keep repeating the same mistakes over and over again.

    ... like tears in rain

    by bladerunner on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 10:57:32 AM PST

    •  Thats what Republicans forget (0+ / 0-)

      Most people started life in America as Democrats. Then they or their children move out of the city and become Republicans. Rinse, wash, repeat.

      Time will not stand still just cause you want it to guys. Join the real world, its not that bad.

      There is truth on all sides. The question is how much.

      by slothlax on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 11:03:49 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  The 'Cons painted themselves into this corner (0+ / 0-)

    But they think the way out is to cut a hole in the wall and sneak out.  To go out forward means they have to mess up the paint, clean themselves off, let dry, remove or sand dried paint, go back paint from the corner out and admit they screwed up.

    They admit they screwed  up but they don't want to fix the job properly.  

    In the end they will pull a Mitt.  Throw out a bad candidate, have him/her lie and act stupid.

    I have a governor with great hair I would gladly off to the GOP to sacrifice.  Take my governor.....please!!!!!

    Psst!!!......Mittens you are more of a poor loser than I thought.

    by wbishop3 on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 11:11:47 AM PST

  •  The GOP can do nothing (1+ / 0-)
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    wlkx

    about their "brown people problem" because their political power is almost entirely based on pitting whites against browns, middle-class against poor, poor against immigrants, legions of idiots against anybody bright enough to figure out the destructive Republican game.

  •  Self-fulfill, much? (0+ / 0-)

    To put the torture behind us is, inevitably, to put it in front of us.

    by UntimelyRippd on Tue Jan 29, 2013 at 06:52:05 PM PST

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