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US gun industry targets kids to secure future


Sun Jan 27, 2013 5:40PM GMT

US war machinery killing children

The US firearms industry has invested millions of dollars into a campaign to get American children interested in guns and shooting.

An article published on Sunday in New York Times announced the industry’s strategies to promote a next generation of gun users. These strategies included backing youth groups with firearms, ammunition and money; weakening state restrictions on hunting by young children; sponsoring semiautomatic-handgun competitions for youths; and developing a video game that promotes target-shooting and advertises brand-name weapons.

The industry’s 2012 report, which was based on an extensive social research, also focused on children aged eight to 17 and suggested that “peer ambassadors” should help introduce cautious youths to guns slowly, by the means of paintball, archery or other activities that are less frightening.

"The point should be to get newcomers started shooting something, with the natural next step being a move toward actual firearms," said the report. MORE HERE: http://www.presstv.ir/...

WHAT NEXT?

More Small Town Gun Violence.

MORE HERE: http://www.nypost.com/...
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How many more must die by guns before we say ENOUGH? thinkingblue

thinkingblue PS: Just noticed a comment on my thethinkingblue youtube channel on this topic:

Jake Bulach 1 day ago

Maybe you should preech to your fellow non-white shootings, leading the counrty in the 60 most popular metro areas. and they are with hand guns, most of them have criminal backgrounds. I have awaken many christmas mornings to presents from my parents and some of them were guns. best gifts ive ever gotten, and one day my son will get my gift and his new guns at a young age to- learn, respect, and know about guns.

So typical of the average gun enthusiast, blame the "Non-Whites" for gun violence. In their  topsy-turvy world of AR-15’s for children and AK-47’s for everyone else, just blame violence on the black guy and let them (the white, low information types) keep their guns because they are OH SO responsible.
If perchance, you would like to know the difference between these 2 ‘assault’ weapons, watch this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/...
When I think of all the blogs that were written on gun violence (including my own) with not a single change to gun control laws… and then a Newtown Ct happens, it breaks my heart. Below but a few:

http://www.dailykos.com/...

http://www.dailykos.com/...

http://www.dailykos.com/...

Originally posted to thinkingblue on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 12:36 PM PST.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA.

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  •  I have taught my sons (3+ / 0-)
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    VClib, dewley notid, andalusi

    about guns.  My oldest started shooting when he was about 8.  He has also shot my AR-15 at the range and even got a coyote with me this winter already.  He is currently 12.  Teaching gun safety to our next generation should be a supported idea.  I sure wouldn't want my sons handling or shooting guns someday without any knowledge of them.  Your post seems to infer that it is wrong to teach our children about guns, huntings, and safety.  Is that your point?  If so, it is misguided in my opinion.

    •  I have taught my sons (2+ / 0-)
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      a2nite, WakeUpNeo

      about guns. They understand that, statistically, guns are far more likely to be used to harm the occupants of the house in which guns are kept rather then to avert harm. They understand that, among nations with a comparable economic level and stable government, nations with more stringent firearm regulation and fewer guns per capita have much lower levels of firearm violence.  Not filling young people's heads with false information about guns and self-protection should be a supported idea. I sure wouldn't want them handling or shooting guns someday. Period. Your post seems to infer that your children will be better off with guns in their lives. Is that your point? If so, it is misguided in my opinion.

      •  My post did not infer that my (3+ / 0-)
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        children would be better or worse off with guns in their life.  My post simply stated that teaching our children how to properly and dafely handle and use firearms is a valuable lesson.

        If they choose to hunt and shoot firearms as adults is their own choice.

        I personally hunt and shoot firearms on a regular basis like many people I know.  My sons like wise have a great deal of interest in hunting and shooting sports.  Educating them early about gun safety is a very big issue for me.  I think it would have been unwise to simply start them out at 12 when they could legally hunt without properly educating them first.

        My sons started carrying unloaded rifles as early as 8 when they came on hunting trips with me.  It allowed years of time for me to properly educate them on how to properly carry and handle a gun without the risk of anyone getting shot.  This is a very common practice.

        I didn't post anything about self protection because I didn't think that was the point of the diary.  I was feeling the point of the diary was something about how children shouldn't learn how to handle guns which struck me as very odd.

        Simply telling a child that guns are dangerous and not teaching them about actual gun safety while they are using one is a crazy and dangerous idea.

        I would never allow my children to handle guns and hunt with guns unless they were properly trained first.  

        Since I am assuming most of my sons, if not all of them, will continue to enjoy hunting and shooting, they will have guns in their lives.  You may not approve but that really isn't the point.  I personally don't care what you think about me and my family having "guns in our lives".  I don't care if you choose to not have guns in your life.  All I am getting at is that it is very important for our society to teach our children gun safety before we allow them to shoot and hunt.  Seems simple enough.

        •  You know, when you start your post evidently (0+ / 0-)

          advocating letting an 8-year old child fire a gun, no matter what the circumstance, I hope you realize only a subset of your fellow travelers are going to take anything you say seriously. What were your words?  Crazy and dangerous idea?  Yeah...that's it.

          Did killing that coyote at age 12 make him feel good?  What did you do...make some jerky with its leg muscles?  Or did you just take a trophy and let its corpse lie? Hang it from a fence post? Dang varmint.

          You and I come from very, very different perspectives about what it means to be a responsible father in this society.

          Yes, if my now-grown sons made the poor choice to bring guns into their lives, then I would want them trained. But it's far better that they know the basics: stay away from guns and, if you happen to come across one, assume it's loaded.

          •  So you are against hunting as well (2+ / 0-)
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            I assume.

            The coyote he got this winter he was very proud of.  The farmer who needed a reduction in his predator problem was also happy.

            Of course we didn't "eat" the coyote.  The possible dieseses you can get from eating the canine species really detract from that idea.  We did save the pelt however as many taxidermist around us use them to make a living (which of course makes them happy).  Most animals we hunt, we eat without exception except for the ones that could make us sick of course.

            The ability to interact with my son in the natural environment made me happy.  Everyone was happy and that was the point.

            Coyote hunting was the natural progression for my son after rabbit and squirral hunting (both animals we enjoy eating by the way).  He is now deer hunting as well (but hasn't got one yet!).

            None of this would be possible if we lived by your rules.

            Now I have zero problem with folks like you that don't want guns in their lives and don't enjoy hunting.  Just please stay out of our lives as well.

            How would you feel if I demanded that you own a gun or train your children in gun safety?

            Advocating taking your children out to enjoy practicing shooting guns isn't even kind of crazy.  It is a very enjoyable thing to do.  It is something millions of Americans do every year with their children.  You should try it sometime.

            •  I'm not against hunting (0+ / 0-)

              I think it serves a purpose among certain communities and ecosystems.

              I wouldn't do it unless I had to. And since I don't have to, I don't.  And I don't mind if anyone else does it, as long as they follow the law, do it in a safe and ecologically sustainable manner, and eat what they kill.

              You have an odd view of "natural environment."  When I am in the woods and mountains, the things that ruin natural environment for me are the sound of gunfire in the distance or the sound of snow machines or ATVs on trails.  Those aren't natural, pal.  They're the opposite.

              Your question about "demanded" is interesting.  Are you under the impression that I demanded you do something?

              And yes, I absolutely believe letting an 8-year old fire a weapon is well into crazy territory.  Indoctrination springs to mind. It's no wonder he enjoys shooting -- you've taught him to.  One can teach an impressionable young child many things.  It's not difficult.  

              •  I also taught him how to (0+ / 0-)

                play basketball when he was 6.  I taught him how fun it is to ride his bike as well.  The shooting and hunting sports are the same thing.  They are fun things to do that I felt was important to show to my son.  If teaching my son about hunting and shooting is indoctrination, then so be it.  Getting my boys out of the house and into the wilderness is very important to me.  It beats letting them sit around watching TV and playing video games all day.

  •  asdf (3+ / 0-)
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    An article published on Sunday in New York Times announced the industry’s strategies to promote a next generation of gun users. These strategies included backing youth groups with firearms, ammunition and money; weakening state restrictions on hunting by young children; sponsoring semiautomatic-handgun competitions for youths; and developing a video game that promotes target-shooting and advertises brand-name weapons.
    Living the Dream
  •  Whaddya think Eddie Eagle is? (3+ / 0-)
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    Glen The Plumber, a2nite, WakeUpNeo

    Other than an attempt to make guns friendly to kids?

    ...sigh...

    These people have evolved a new term.  Beyond Cynicism.

    I don't blame Christians. I blame Stupid. Which sadly is a much more popular religion these days.

    by detroitmechworks on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 12:45:57 PM PST

  •  thinkingblue - this is very understandable (1+ / 0-)
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    dewley notid

    Every product is always thinking about the next generation of customers. In an environment where society is increasingly positioning guns as evil it makes complete sense for the gun industry to have a response to build a base of gun enthusiasts who will support the industry going forward. I don't see anything evil in this program.

    Gun manufacturing, distribution, and retail sales are legal, and legitimate business activities as long as all current laws are followed. I live in a very safe suburban neighborhood and have never owned a gun. I too believe that guns in a home can be a risk factor and chose never to have one as my children grew up and became adults. However, courtesy of Uncle Sam I have spent a great deal of time with small arms and completely understand why some people enjoy target shooting and hunting. For some families hunting is an important part of their culture and bonding experience. I have no issues with children owning guns as long as they have age appropriate firearms, are trained on the safe use of their weapons, and the guns and ammo are only accessible by an adult.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 01:30:43 PM PST

    •  Equally as understandable as cigarette... (1+ / 0-)
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      WakeUpNeo

      ...manufacturers targeting children, I suppose.

      Every product is always thinking about the next generation of customers. In an environment where society is increasingly positioning guns as evil it makes complete sense for the gun industry to have a response to build a base of gun enthusiasts who will support the industry going forward. I don't see anything evil in this program.
  •  Gun owners did this to themselves. (1+ / 0-)
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    a2nite

    We've come to the point where we blame youth shooting sports for gang violence in Chicago.  

    I can't condemn thinkingblue for drawing the association, not when my first reaction to the title was to cringe.  Youth recreational shooting has become so uncommon that the mind doesn't skip a beat.  If we can't head off the decline in youth shooting sports, thinkingblue and like-minded people will bury it under a mountain of shame.

  •  8 to 17 covers incomparable differences (0+ / 0-)

    16-year-olds are licensed to operate dangerous machinery. 8-year-olds aren't.

    I worry that abstinence-only firearms education will work as badly as abstinence-only sex education. (Yes, the analogy breaks down pretty quickly).

  •  Good lord, kids have been getting guns as gifts (0+ / 0-)

    for well over 100 years, surely much longer than that, especially at Christmas (what better way to celebrate the birth of the Prince of Peace?). In my experience (personal and anecdotal), it was more often a boy's gift than a girl's, which pissed me off no end. Young boys started off with a BB gun (Red Ryder!), perhaps moved up to a pellet gun, then received a .22 rifle.

    As a young teen, my dad was using his childhood-gift rifle to bring home squirrels and rabbits for his family. My grandmother would give him 3 pennies, he would walk to town to buy 3 .22 bullets from the hardware store, and then bring home 3 of whatever animal she requested. I have that rifle at home, but it's nowhere near the precision instrument my mom's .22 rifle is, the best-shooting firearm I've ever shot.

    Guns were a definite part of our family's multi-generation culture on both sides of the family. I can't remember how young I was when I learned to shoot -- can't remember NOT shooting. My brother can't remember how young he was. And I "assisted" my dad as he helped my baby sister fire her first pistol shot when she was 3, while I put my fingers in her ears.

    I've given guns for Christmas. My SIL gave my grandson a pellet rifle for Christmas, and my stepdaughter a small-frame .38 in PINK POWDERCOAT, for God's sake. And my brother has just passed his childhood .22 rifle down to my (almost 30-year-old) nephew.

    Between us all, we have a combined 400+ years of plinking, hunting, and whatnot, country and suburbs, small towns and major metropolitan areas East and West, with not a single accident, no weapon left uncontrolled, not a single instance in which a child had unsupervised access to a firearm, and (thank God) not a single instance in which we had to use one in self-defense (outside of military service in war). Sadly, I cannot say that of everyone I've known, but my family grew up well-trained, disciplined, and responsible.

    YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

    by raincrow on Wed Jan 30, 2013 at 11:01:43 PM PST

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