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He was right on the 'surge' in Iraq and 'taking the eyes' off Afghanistan!

Brother, Vietnam, Mac was 'right' but not for what he thinks as he continues the rovian revisionism, only that 'history has already been written about Iraq' and everyone knows that history write as it continues to be written, especially the rest of the World.

Taking eyes off Afghanistan: Iraq should never have happened!

The 'surge' cost our military dearly in rapid rise in lives lost and the many maimed but also in creating even more hatreds, already having destroyed that so called National Security by invading, as the atrocities outside of any military mission also rose. And it cost dearly in the rapid depleting of the treasury the war and occupation had already done and continued. The private sector and the congressional insider trading reaped huge rewards from our treasury, not only as to the defense industry but also those no bid private sector war contracts which also 'surged'. Nothing has been paid back on that depletion and especially nothing as to the results in the countries responsibility the Veterans Administration, for both wars, and DeJa-Vu all over again never will!

Taking the eyes off of Afghanistan had already happened, the country cheered on the abandoning of the main missions of why the military was sent to that region with the drum beats of war, on ginned up so called intelligence, pointed at Iraq, those same war drums continue to beat but pointed at Iran and by the same drummers. Thus Afghanistan completely stopped being anything about 9/11 and just another of this countries quagmires of occupying another country as those sent try to accomplish at least a very small portion of those abandoned first missions and the countries promises to the Afghan people, second time of major abandoning of those promises as same given as to the Afghan/Soviet war.

The Abandoning of Afghanistan into the Iraq war of choice by the civilian and some military leaders and the 'surge', also greatly enhanced the spread of the al Qaeda model of international criminal terrorism, seeking blowback in the rage from the terror wrought, to other countries on the planet which is causing many of today's deadly and destructive problems. That to is the history all ready known and continuing as it will for the coming couple of decades as noted back with the growing drum beats now more then a decade old.

Hagel's comment about Congress and the Israeli lobby was also right, Ms Lindsey intimidated by the Israeli lobby, proven over and over in the hearing with all the attacks, script talking points written by that lobby, at him made by those who just greatly enhanced their campaign contributions, for some for many years, by that constant attack. And especially for the newer members who need those lobby funds, like the just leaving the age of voluntary recruitment into the military after 9/11 new member super patriot chickenhawk, who's already shown he doesn't mind spitting on military troops especially us Vietnam Vets, Sen. Cruz from Texas, to maintain staying on the public payroll.

Hagel continuing, if confirmed, what the whole Obama Administration has carried out since entering the Executive branch, certainly not by many in Congress, especially the House, nor the country, started by the First and Second ladies even before that!

Hagel Vows Policies Worthy of U.S. Service Members, Families
WASHINGTON, Jan. 31, 2013 - Former Nebraska Sen. Chuck Hagel told the Senate Armed Services Committee today that his guiding principle is to make U.S. policy worthy of our troops and their families and the sacrifices we ask them to make.

In his opening statement at his confirmation hearing, Hagel -- President Barack Obama's choice to succeed retiring Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta -- said he supports the administration's policies down the line.

Hagel, who served as an Army sergeant in Vietnam, stressed his own time in the military and his experiences as a veteran while reiterating his commitment to taking care of service members, veterans and their families. read more>>>

And he will, just like the recent Defense Secretaries, carried into the recent Joint Chiefs,  in the Obama administration along with the other cabinet members who've extended help to the long underfunded, especially with these two wars, Veterans Administration to accomplish what wasn't being done previously, except for a few congressional bills mostly for political purposes as elections came near, as well as some that did manage to get accomplished even through the obstruction.

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  •  Tip Jar (22+ / 0-)

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 05:09:06 AM PST

  •  I was so annoyed by Senator McCain's (9+ / 0-)

    insistence on questioning Hagel about the surge.  McCain was so rude and condescending.

    He that chooses his own path needs no map. Queen Kristina of Sweden.

    by Boppy on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 05:38:34 AM PST

    •  That's their (2+ / 0-)
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      LilithGardener, Sharon Wraight

      Rewriting for when they hit them pearly gates and try and justify to St Peter why they should pass into and get them angel wings!!

      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 05:40:50 AM PST

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      •  I would prefer the punishment ,,, (2+ / 0-)
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        of  the pro-invade Iraq crowd to be in the "here and now"  as well as in the possible afterlife.

        "Remember, Republican economic policies quadrupled the debt before I took office and doubled it after I left. We simply can't afford to double-down on trickle-down." Bill Clinton

        by irate on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 06:11:43 AM PST

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    •  I think that McCain is really losing it completely (2+ / 0-)
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      Fear is the Mind Killer...

      by boophus on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 06:16:58 AM PST

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    •  McCain just appears petulant now as he shouted (0+ / 0-)

      "answer the question yes or no" over and over (while Hagel tried to reply that it was not a yes or no question, such as "Senator McCain, do you still beat your wife?")

      Then McCain snapped, " let the record show he refuses to answer"

      BTW Hagel and his brother disagreed for years over their experiences in VN (only brothers to serve at same time in same unit during the war, I think).  For those too young to remember those times, may I present Julian Ewell, known by some as "the Butcher of the Delta"
      http://www.thenation.com/...

  •  Unlike Hillary (2+ / 0-)
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    Chuck couldn't effectively make points and attack back, though watching it seemed he wanted to on a number of occasions, as she was leaving the Government and any reality she spoke only helps her if she decides to rejoin the political fray, not to mention both her and Bill are frankly now attack proof after so many years. Hagel had to play their game to a certain extent, not calling out Mac nor the Ms Lindsey on his idiotic charges and public calling for him to sign on to a letter as the only civilian signature it would have, as he's looking for confirmation.

    But you can bet there weren't, and if confirmed won't be, any gentlemanly gestures in the room or outside of away from the camera's, especially between the once good friends!!

    Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

    by jimstaro on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 05:47:07 AM PST

  •  Was it just me or (1+ / 0-)
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    did Hagel come off as not impressive at all? I get that he was trying to restrain his answers in the face of such antagonism , but he seemed like a deer caught in the headlights. At times (from what I saw of the clips shown) he looked half asleep. I am not sure that I would vote for him were I a senator. Plus there is his previous, but long record of voting against women.  I am not that familiar with him, but he seems very strange, not that sure of himself.

    •  Answered Just Above n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 05:55:01 AM PST

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    •  Obviously (0+ / 0-)
      I am not that familiar with him,
      Following the accusations about some fictitious 'long record' of voting against women.

      You aren't nor ever have been a member of the military or veterans families and community.

      As such you're a citizen who has yet to pay a dime for these two present wars nor the long term results of, a decade plus, and as to the results the same added to the previous decades and wars of.

      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 06:16:20 AM PST

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  •  I would really have liked to tip and rec this (2+ / 0-)
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    but the "Ms Lindsey" reference, repeated in the comments, prevents me from doing so.

    “Perhaps the most 'spiritual' thing any of us can do is simply to look through our own eyes, see with eyes of wholeness, and act with integrity and kindness.” Jon Kabat-Zinn

    by DaNang65 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 06:07:11 AM PST

    •  Sorry but (0+ / 0-)

      As these recent years have progressed he gets more into being labeled as such in at least trying to be abit kind instead of a number of others that can be used, and as a jag he disgraces his service!

      Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

      by jimstaro on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 06:18:04 AM PST

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      •  You're probably correct. (1+ / 0-)
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        Nevertheless I cannot condone the derogatory use of gender identification loaded terms, especially when used to bash a person for their failure to conform to some idealized vision of gender roles.

        Those days are over, bro'. Like a lot of other thing I'm trying to leave that stuff in the past, where it belongs.

        I don't want to fight about it, I didn't HR the Tip Jar or the comment, but I won't rec them either. I have great respect for you and what you do - I kinda think I know why you do it, so I thought you deserved an explantion.

        “Perhaps the most 'spiritual' thing any of us can do is simply to look through our own eyes, see with eyes of wholeness, and act with integrity and kindness.” Jon Kabat-Zinn

        by DaNang65 on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 06:27:21 AM PST

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        •  You took it that way (0+ / 0-)

          Myself, and I loves women, he reminds me of a few I knew, if you want to place it in the gender categories, and whines just like they did about almost everything!!

          Vets On FLOTUS and SLOTUS, "Best - Ever": "We haven't had this kind of visibility from the White House—ever." Joyce Raezer - Dec. 30, 2011

          by jimstaro on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 07:54:28 AM PST

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  •  Hagel was trying to avoid a Hold on his (2+ / 0-)
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    nomination.   Trying to avoid giving the Republican
    Senators an excuse to put his nomination on permanent
    filibuster.

    And yes --it stinks.   But while Hagel has to bite his tongue, there is nothing to stop me from pointing out that Republican Senators are willing to sell the lives of 20,000 US soldiers to Israel Lobby Billionaire Sheldon Adelson for money.   That is why Americans died in an unnecessary war in Iraq and why they may die in Iran.  That is why Sheldon dumped $150 Million into the Republican Party.

    And Scum like this have the two-faced hypocrisy to wave the American Flag and chant "USA! USA! while questioning the patriotism of Democrats.

  •  Hagel's nomination is vital (2+ / 0-)
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    1) The last thing our economy needs is another $3 Trillion poured down the drain in the Middle East --for the benefit of no one except the egos of a few billionaires.

    2) DOD now funds and controls much of the US Intelligence Community -- even the CIA's Clandestine Service now has military counterparts.

    So Hagel will be in a position to question/block  any attempt to manipulate the intelligence as was done in the runup to the invasion of Iraq.   To ensure that if we go to war it will be a matter of necessity, not something bought by campaign donations.

    As a former enlisted man, I think he will be a honest referee for the troops.   As President Obama said, he is the Secretary of Defense that the troops deserve.

  •  Jim... almost everyone who was in country knows (0+ / 0-)

    McCain plays veterans.. ALL veterans.  He uses them to his advantage.  IMO he has a lot to show about the brotherhood.  Lindsay Graham  is just one of the mouthpieces for the lobbyists.   He said what he did because of his buddy Lieberman.  They are lost without him.  

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Fri Feb 01, 2013 at 09:00:26 AM PST

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