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Create a national gun registry as part of our nation's efforts to increase gun safety.

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This is a new petition. You won't find it if you search for this title or for the issue Firearms. This is due to the fact that petitions need at least 150 votes before they are publicly searchable.

I've spoken to many folks locally; I live in Florida. When I explain the issue to them in essentially the same way that I've presented here they all agree that a national registry is a common sense action that our national government should take to increase gun safety.

I haven't heard anyone in the political arena or the talking heads talk about such a registry. I get the sense that national legislation to create such a registry is a non-starter unless American citizens advocate in favor of this.

The full text of the petition is:

Title: Create a national gun registry as part of our nation's efforts to increase gun safety.

Our right to vote is enshrined in the Constitution. We currently have public rolls of American citizens who are registered voters. You must register if you want to exercise this right. You must prove your identity when you register.

Our right to own and bear arms in enshrined in the Constitution. Why isn't some national law enforcement agency maintaining a roll of American citizens who previously have and want to exercise their right to bear arms? Why shouldn't you have to prove your identity when you exercise this right?

Maintaining a national registry would remove the financial burden of such an expensive effort from the states, it would provide nation-wide access to the registry data, and it would improve gun safety in our nation.

Created: Feb 06, 2013

Issues: Firearms

Originally posted to The Story Teller on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 12:27 PM PST.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA and Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA).

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  •  Should I have to show ID to speak in public too? (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    KVoimakas, theatre goon, notrouble

    or exercise any other right protected by the Constitution?

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    by wretchedhive on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 01:11:39 PM PST

    •  Oh, bullshit. When speaking in public is (8+ / 0-)

      deadly, than I guess that might be an issue.

      "Mitt Romney looks like the CEO who fires you, then goes to the Country Club and laughs about it with his friends." ~ Thomas Roberts MSNBC

      by second gen on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 01:32:04 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  Is it constitutional... (6+ / 0-)

      ...to ban felons, minors and the mentally ill from purchasing and owning guns? Every single Justice of the Supreme Court seems to agree that it is.

      A mechanism to facilitate that prohibition--so long as it doesn't unduly interfere with the rights of those who aren't covered by it--is not only acceptable, but probably necessary. This seems likely to achieve that aim.

      The only real constitutional argument I see here is that, if we have a registry, then it makes an unconstitutional confiscation of guns more likely to happen. That may be true, but the initial step of registering doesn't therefore become unconstitutional. The line is much, much further down the slope. That would be like arguing that laws against defamation are no different than laws against criticizing the President's policies: yeah, the existence of one form of speech restriction might lead lawmakers to pursue other forms, but that doesn't mean the first one is invalid.

      You should stick to arguing that this is bad policy (if you think it is--I, for one, do not), not that it's unconstitutional.

      "Speaking for myself only" - Armando

      by JR on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 02:18:49 PM PST

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      •  Well there's another problem (0+ / 0-)

        The Haynes decision may well exempt felons and other prohibited persons from the registry. Basically, they don't need to register their guns, because that would be self-incrimination.

        Thus we end up in a very strange paradoxical situation.

        If I'm a convicted felon with a gun, the Constitution protects me from registering it. If discovered with an unregistered firearm, they can't be punished for not having registered that firearm.

        If I'm not a convicted felon with a gun, I have no such Constitutional protection. I must register my firearm or suffer the consequences of losing the carrot / getting the stick.

        This isn't necessarily a fatal flaw of any registry scheme, but it does mean that, as a mechanism to get guns out of the hands of prohibited persons, a registry is going to have limited use at best.

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        by maxomai on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 03:53:11 PM PST

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      •  it would be easier and cheaper (0+ / 0-)

        to simply have a list of those who have been adjudicated as to be unsuitable.

        Minors can be gifted firearms, felons have already forfeited certain rights by their actions, those with "mental defects" of a nature that poses a clearly defined danger to themselves or others are subject to forfeiture of weapons in certain jurisdictions.

        These are the ones that the focus should be on, they're already in the system.

        But going back to the original premise of requiring a registry for something such as voting.  That is for both administrative purposes and prevention of the unlikely crime of voter fraud, a gun owner registry serves no such purpose and cannot do a single thing to prevent violence before the fact, unlike a registry of those who are prohibited from purchasing a gun - Lanza is proof positive that that sort of "no-buy" registry does work, and demonstrates a need for NICS checks for all purchases.

        Unfortunately, he had criminally negligent parents who should have removed all firearms from the house and had he not killed his mother, I'd fully support seeing her charged for accessory to murder, and possibly Lanza's father too, once the facts come out.

        I see a very beautiful planet that seems very inviting and peaceful. Unfortunately, it is not.…We're better than this. We must do better. Cmdr Scott Kelley

        by wretchedhive on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 04:02:19 PM PST

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    •  don't be fatuous. Speaking and shooting are (3+ / 0-)

      two different things.

      You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

      by Cartoon Peril on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 03:33:17 PM PST

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  •  Good idea, but death star petition had better (4+ / 0-)

    chance.

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 03:32:08 PM PST

  •  Based on the petition requirement change... (2+ / 0-)

    I no longer believe the White House really wants to mess with petitions anymore, but I signed it in any case.

    “Now, I can imagine the shocking headlines you’ll print tomorrow morning: 'More guns,' you’ll claim, 'are the NRA’s answer to everything!'" -- Wayne LaPierre

    by tytalus on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 03:33:12 PM PST

  •  So, three questions, one comment (0+ / 0-)

    What specific public goods is this law intended to achieve? (Reduction in suicides? Reduction in firearm use in domestic violence?)

    If enacted, when should we expect to see these results?

    What's the carrot and/or the stick to encourage participation in the registry?

    As for the comment: the one problem I see in selling this law is that prohibited persons cannot be compelled to register their firearms, since that constitutes self-incrimination. (This was a Supreme Court ruling in the case of Haynes v. United States.)

    ‎"Masculinity is not something given to you, but something you gain. And you gain it by winning small battles with honor." - Norman Mailer
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    by maxomai on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 03:39:59 PM PST

  •  Thank you. Signed. n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

    by DefendOurConstitution on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 04:20:20 PM PST

  •  I signed. #16 (0+ / 0-)

    Let's hope there's a land-office run to sign the petition.  

  •  I support universal background checks (0+ / 0-)

    I do NOT support gun owner registry.

    A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned how to walk forward. Franklin D. Roosevelt

    by notrouble on Wed Feb 06, 2013 at 08:08:16 PM PST

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