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This evening's music features one of New Orleans' finest songwriters Earl King.  Enjoy!

Earl King - The Things That I Used To Do

“Power does not corrupt. Fear corrupts... perhaps the fear of a loss of power.”

 -- John Steinbeck

News and Opinion

I missed this story on Tuesday.  Perhaps President Obama's "Baseball Cards of Doom," buddy Brennan was too busy working out his best lies preparing for his Senate confirmation exercises to play Death From Above with the President on Terror Tuesday.  Whatever, apparently the President decided that somebody needed to get it on Tuesday so he gave a press conference to remind everybody that he'd still like to cut the benefits of old people and the infirm:

Obama: Social Security & Medicare cuts are “very much (back) on the table”

It’s Tuesday, and Barack Obama has betrayed us again. And by “us” I mean not just progressives (of whom he is not), but also Democrats, the party that sells itself as the party of Roosevelt, Johnson and Kennedy. Of that party he also is not, except nominally. ...

It’s Tuesday, and Barack Obama has put Roosevelt’s Social Security and Johnson’s Medicare “back on the table” in the next round of Pete Peterson–sponsored “budget negotiations.” (Peterson should get naming rights. The “Peter Peterson Budget Negotiations” — brought to you by Starbucks, Whole Foods, and the people who put oil in your car; click to see their special sponsorship deal.)

From Obama’s most recent press conference

The proposals that I put forward during the fiscal cliff negotiations in discussions with Speaker Boehner and others are still very much on the table.  I just want to repeat:  The deals that I put forward, the balanced approach of spending cuts and entitlement reform and tax reform that I put forward are still on the table.

I’ve offered sensible reforms to Medicare and other entitlements, and my health care proposals achieve the same amount of savings by the beginning of the next decade as the reforms that have been proposed by the bipartisan Bowles-Simpson fiscal commission.

Globalizing Torture: Ahead of Brennan Hearing, International Complicity in CIA Rendition Exposed
Obama agrees to release legal memos on Awlaki drone strike

President Obama, who has championed lethal drone strikes as a major part of U.S. counter-terrorism efforts, bowed to pressure Wednesday and agreed to allow the Senate and House intelligence committees to review classified legal memos used to justify a drone strike against a U.S. citizen in Yemen in 2011.

Senators had demanded for months to see the Justice Department opinions that provided the White House legal authority to order the targeted killing of Anwar Awlaki, a New Mexico native who became an Al Qaeda leader.

Complaints by several Democrats over not receiving the documents had cast a shadow on the Senate confirmation hearing Thursday of John Brennan, the White House counter-terrorism advisor tapped to be CIA director.

Action Center

"[N]or shall any deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law." -- Article V, U.S. Bill of Rights

Tell President Obama: Assassinating Americans without due process is wrong

The Obama administration has previously defended the extrajudicial program that has killed a number of Americans, including an American teenager who wasn't involved at all with terrorism.

We have been solemnly told that the constitutional right to due process doesn't mean that the president can't unilaterally order, without any input from or review by the judiciary, a Predator drone to fire a missile at an American citizen.

It has been "explained" that there's a secret legal memo that makes this "legal."

The president has refused to make this secret memo available to Congress or the American people, thus far only releasing an insufficient white paper that purports to summarize the administration's legal justification for extrajudicial assassination.

It's absurd, it's illegal, it's completely antithetical to democratic values, and it's morally repugnant.

Sign the petition

Probing Obama's drone wars

Fleets of Drones Descend on Africa

With the U.S. and European military offensive in Africa in full swing, the drone wars are set to enter a new phase. Therefore, it is appropriate that U.S. anti-war activists will descend on the White House, on April 13, to demand “Drones Out of Africa and Everywhere!” The activists, including former Georgia Congresswoman Cynthia McKinney and the ANSWER Coalition, say the real target is Africa’s vast natural resources. Drone warfare, say the organizers, has become central to the modern U.S. version of gunboat diplomacy, to “force exploitative terms of trade and political accommodations.”

The West African nation of Niger has been very accommodating to the Americans, as she has been to the French, the former colonial master. According to a high Niger official quoted by Reuters news service, Niger has “given the green light to accepting American surveillance drones on its soil to improve the collection of intelligence on Islamist movements.” However, there is no reason to believe that the U.S. drones will be restricted to unarmed surveillance. Sources in Washington say “there are no constraints to military-to-military co-operation within the agreement" with Niger, which presumably means the U.S. can use the drones as it likes. The U.S. base in northern Niger puts the robotic planes within easy reach of Mali, Algeria and Libya.

The U.S. already has a drone base in neighboring Burkina Faso, which also borders on Benin, Togo, Ghana, and the Ivory Coast.

In East Africa, the U.S. has been terrorizing Somalia with drones since 2006, when it instigated the Ethiopian invasion of Somalia. The U.S. Africa Command, AFRICOM, sends out drones from its large, permanent base in neighboring Djibouti, from which it can watch – or attack - most of the Horn of Africa, including Eritrea, right next door, one of the few countries in Africa that has no relationship with AFRICOM. Eritrea is under constant threat from Ethiopia, from which it won independence after a 30-year war.

US media yet again conceals newsworthy government secrets

The collective self-censorship over a US drone base in Saudi Arabia is but the latest act of government-subservient 'journalism'

The US media, over the last decade (at least), has repeatedly acted to conceal newsworthy information it obtains about the actions of the US government. In each instance, the self-proclaimed adversarial press corps conceals these facts at the behest of the US government, based on patently absurd claims that reporting them will harm US national security. In each instance, what this media concealment actually accomplishes is enabling the dissemination of significant government falsehoods without challenge, and permitting the continuation of government deceit and even illegality. ...

And now, yet again, the US media has been caught working together to conceal obviously newsworthy government secrets. On Wednesday, the Washington Post reported that two years ago, the Obama administration established a base in Saudi Arabia from which it deploys drones to kill numerous people in Yemen. including US citizen Anwar Awlaki and, two weeks, later his 16-year-old American son Abdulrahman. The US base was built after the US launched a December, 2009 cruise missile/cluster-bomb attack that slaughtered dozens of Yemeni women and children.

But the Post admitted that it - along with multiple other US media outlets - had long known about the Saudi Arabia drone base but had acted in unison to conceal it from the US public:

"The Washington Post had refrained from disclosing the specific location at the request of the administration, which cited concern that exposing the facility would undermine operations against an al-Qaeda affiliate regarded as the network's most potent threat to the United States, as well as potentially damage counterterrorism collaboration with Saudi Arabia.

"The Post learned Tuesday night that another news organization was planning to reveal the location of the base, effectively ending an informal arrangement among several news organizations that had been aware of the location for more than a year."

This article has some great facts and figures on our glorious "economic recovery" as compared to previous recoveries, well worth reading:
The Real "Recovery": Welcome to the Network of Global Corporate Control

According to a 2011 study from Northeastern University, since the Second World War, “there’s never been a worse recovery for jobs and worker pay,” and at the same time, “never a better one for corporate profits.” The economic “recovery” was said to have begun in June of 2009, but how is “recovery” defined? After all, people are still struggling, more than ever in recent history; unemployment is high, job losses soar, poverty spreads and insecurity reigns supreme.

So why, then, has it been said that the United States entered a “recovery”? Well, as the study pointed out, since June of 2009, 88% of all U.S. growth went to corporate profits, while wages and salaries represented 1% of growth. Compared to previous economic crises, the situation is much worse than ever before.

At the end of the recession in the early 1990s, 50% of U.S. growth went to worker pay, while corporate profits had actually declined by 1%. Following the dot-com bust in 2001, worker pay and jobs accounted for 15% of U.S. growth, while 53% of growth was accounted for by corporate profits.

Senator Sanders Introduces Bill To End Huge Corporate Tax Giveaway

Corporations offshoring profits costs both the federal government and states billions of dollars per year. One of the more egregious giveaways is known as “deferral,” which allows U.S. corporations to avoid paying taxes on overseas profits until they bring that money back to the U.S., giving them every incentive to leave it overseas permanently.

According to the Congressional Budget Office, “The current tax system provides incentives for U.S. firms to locate their production facilities in countries with low taxes as a way to reduce their tax liability at home,” ultimately resulting in compensation for U.S. workers being lower. Sen. Bernie Sanders (I-VT) is introducing a bill today that would end this practice and close several other corporate tax loopholes:

Under this legislation, corporations would pay U.S. taxes on their offshore profits as they are earned. This legislation takes away the tax incentives for corporations to move jobs offshore or to shift profits offshore because the U.S. would tax their profits no matter where they are generated.

Under the Corporate Tax Fairness Act, U.S. corporations would continue to get a credit against their U.S. taxes for foreign taxes they pay. That means that when an American corporation has profits in a country with lower corporate taxes than the U.S., they would pay the federal government the difference between the foreign rate and the U.S. rate. When an American corporation has profits in a country with higher corporate taxes than the U.S., they would pay nothing to the U.S.

On Wednesday Hedges vs. Obama, the case brought against Section 1021 of the NDAA by Chris Hedges, Daniel Ellsberg and a number of others, was back in court. Previously, the plaintiffs (Hedges, et al) had won an injunction in District Court, which was promptly, temporarily stayed at the behest of the government by judges from the Second District Court which is now hearing the appeal...
NDAA Indefinite Detention Provision Challenged In Federal Appeals Court

Inside the packed courtroom, U.S. Department of Justice lawyer Robert Loeb went on the offensive against Forrest's ruling, claiming that it was based on "a fundamentally flawed reading of the law." Hedges and his co-plaintiffs, he said, had no reason to fear for their rights because "this statute simply does not apply to them." ...

In an unusual move, Carl Mayer, an attorney for the plaintiffs, "dedicated" his arguments to the descendents of Fred Korematsu and other Japanese-Americans who were detained during World War II. The lessons from their experience, combined with the NDAA's language about indefinite detention, he said, were enough to give his clients pause before expressing their free speech rights. Mayer highlighted in particular the government's failure at trial to simply state that Hedges and others could not be detained under the NDAA.

The Obama administration's lawyer, Loeb, said he could not give the plaintiffs "carte blanche." But he noted that it was "quite telling" no one had been held for acts of independent journalism during the more than ten years since Sept. 11.

Even if the judges in the case decide Hedges and his co-plaintiffs have reason to be fearful, however, they may find another reason to uphold the NDAA. In 2010 the Supreme Court ruled that the government could proscribe "material support" for terrorist groups, including merely speaking to them. Both the government and the judges made reference to that ruling. ...

Opponents, meanwhile, flooded the courtroom and overflow rooms to capacity, demonstrating against what they see as an unconstitutional overreach in the war on terror.

U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals Hears Arguments in NDAA Battle (We Barely Could)

Yesterday's Second Court of Appeals hearing was the latest in a case brought by a group of seven plaintiffs--including former New York Times Reporter Chris Hedges, noted scholar Noam Chomsky and Pentagon Papers leaker Daniel Ellsberg--against the Obama administration over section 1021 of the 2012 NDAA, which authorizes the military to detain:

"A person who was a part of or substantially supported al-Qaeda, the Taliban, or associated forces that are engaged in hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners, including any person who has committed a belligerent act or has directly supported such hostilities in aid of such enemy forces."

Lawyers from the Obama administration seemed to present a bit of a scattered argument. In lower court hearings, they refused to answer whether any of the plaintiffs would be subject to detention under the provision. Yesterday the U.S. Department of Justice attorneys argued that the law doesn't apply to the plaintiffs in their work as journalists, activists, researchers and commentators.

The attorneys for the plaintiffs, Bruce Afran and Carl Mayer, continued to argue that the provisions hardly ensures that their clients will face future immunity from detention because the statue fails to precisely define what constitutes "substantially" supporting terror groups or groups "associated" with terrorism. The plaintiffs frequently interview and voice the opinions of subjects who are either directly associated with, or could be identified by the government as associates of terrorist organizations.  ...

What made the government's argument a bit bi-polar is that while the lawyers insisted that American civilians won't be detained. They concurrently argued that if an American is detained under the law, subsection 1021-(e) affords them with the same Fifth Amendment rights they've always had. Afran and Mayer argue that this doesn't solve the issue of whether the military has the right to detain them in the first place.

"That section of the law actually says that Americans in this country can be detained, but they can assert their rights to get out later," Afran said at a press conference following the hearing. "This presumes something that the Supreme Court has always said is unconstitutional: the detention of Americans by the military."

Mayer added that there's no telling how long a detained American would have to wait to exercise his or her Fifth Amendment right to due process of the law.

"Once someone is already detained they can then move the government to clear them, but usually these cases take seven or eight years," Mayer said.

This White House Petition needs more attention...
Fire Assistant U.S. Attorney Steve Heymann.

Assistant U.S. Attorney Steve Heymann's overzealous prosecution of an allegedly minor and non-violent electronic crime led to the suicide of Aaron Swartz. President Obama recently said, as repeated by Vice President Biden, "if our actions result in saving only one life, they're worth taking." We should not destroy the lives of human beings for crimes against computer systems that harm no one and provide no benefit to the perpetrator. Such actions should be treated as forms of protest and civil disobedience. To prosecute these actions the same as rapes and murders is a savage abuse of the criminal justice system which continues to destroy the lives of peaceful, productive members of society.

Click here to fire Attorney Steve Heymann before his reckless prosecutions claim any more lives.

linear relationship between gun ownership and gun deaths
US Breweries go to War against Fracking Industry

US brewers have now taken up their case against fracking, worried that any potential contamination of ground water supplies would ruin their business. The process of brewing beer requires clean water, with many breweries being built at the sites they are specifically for the mineral composition of the water.

Simon Thorpe, the CEO of the Ommegang Brewery explained to NBC that “it’s all about the quality of the water. The technology surrounding fracking is still not fully developed. Accidents are happening. Places are getting polluted.” His brewery was built in Cooperstown, NY, due to the ready access to fresh water, but “if that water supply is threatened by pollution, it makes it very difficult for us to produce world-class beer here.”

Koch Brothers Driving Keystone XL Pipeline from Canada to Cut Out Venezuelan Oil

Blog Posts of Interest

Here are diaries and selected blog posts of interest on DailyKos and other blogs.
What's Happenin'

Discussing Hedges v. Obama

Michael Moore asks citizens to stand up to Obama on civil liberties issue

Many questions for John Brennan today and only a few hours to ask them

A Little Night Music

Earl King - It All Went Down The Drain

Earl King - Trick Bag

Earl King - Come On Parts 1 and 2 (Also known as "Let The Good Times Roll")

Earl King - Those Lonely, Lonely Nights

Earl King, Dr. John, The Meters + Professor Longhair - Big Chief

Earl King - Baby You Can Get Your Gun

Earl King - Always a First Time

Earl King - Street Parade

Earl King - It Hurts To Love Someone

Earl King - No City Like New Orleans

I'm Your Best Bet, Baby - Earl King

Earl King  - Every Whicha kinda way

Earl King - Mama & Papa

Earl King - Beggin' at Your Mercy

Earl King - Everybody's Carried Away

Earl King - You Can Fly High

There's Been Some Lonely, Lonely Nights- Earl King

It's National Pie Day!

The election is over, it's a new year and it's time to work on real change in new ways... and it's National Pie Day.  This seemed like the perfect opportunity to tell you a little more about our new site and to start getting people signed up.  

Come on over and sign up so that we can send you announcements about the site, the launch, and information about participating in our public beta testing.

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Originally posted to DFH writers group on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:00 PM PST.

Also republished by Team DFH.


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  •  Constant pressure works somewhat w/ this admin (10+ / 0-)

    Sometimes, if enough people engage.
    Thanks for keeping drone policy and extrajudicial assassination front and center for so long Joe, and Joanne in the mornings, and to everyone else that won't let it go.
    Let's keep it up.

  •  evenin folks (6+ / 0-)

    wow just checked back at the Fire Heymann Petition and its up to 16K now, needing just 8K more to get to 25K required by Monday.

    As TarenSK says in a blog post today,

    We need this petition to get to 25,000* signatures by Monday, February 11. Please sign it right now, and share it with everyone you know. Even if Heymann is not fired in direct response to this petition, the White House’s responsibility to respond to it will open up crucial fronts in the investigation as to what went so terribly, terribly wrong with our justice system in Aaron’s case.
    Heymann and Ortiz wanted to make an example out of Aaron. Instead, we as a society must make an example out of Heymann and Ortiz. Prosecutors must understand that they have moral responsibilities. They cannot simply hide behind the phrase “prosecutorial discretion” to justify any decision. Their actions have consequences, and they must be held accountable to them.

    I believe that as much as any other individual person, Steve Heymann’s decisions drove Aaron to his death. We’re never getting Aaron back, but we can try to make sure this doesn’t happen to anyone else again.

    If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution. ~ Emma Goldman

    by Lady Libertine on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:31:06 PM PST

  •  End the war in Afghanistan and the Global War (6+ / 0-)

    of Terror!!
    LOL.  The silence on Afghanistan since maybe last fall before the election is deafening man.  Amazing.  People have been placed in a fucking trance.  
    Medicare, ya we know, it's the only way.  This is Obama and the Austerityocrats Part II.  According to Panetta, the CIA Defense Whatever the fuck he does chief, if the Imperialist War, Raping and Pillaging budget is cut, the United States of Manifest Destiny will become a second rate power and will be attacked by Mexico.   Social Security doesn't reduce the deficit, so that leaves Medicare which will be known in the future as Obama's "The Raw Deal".
    Rabble rouse.  

    "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

    by BigAlinWashSt on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:31:43 PM PST

    •  evening al... (4+ / 0-)

      yep, events seem to be moving full steam ahead straight into the dumpster.  i hope that our standing up and yelling about it makes a difference.  if nothing else, i hope that we are making it difficult for the bastards.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:45:00 PM PST

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      •  Hard to say. Seems to me that the rabble rousers (4+ / 0-)

        are all focused on a zillion things with no cohesion and faltering motivation.  Kind of makes sense because things just keep getting more complex and complicated and the powers that be keep ramping up the propaganda, misinformation and disinformation.  It will probably take a major action, i.e., a decision and congressional approval on major austerity cuts, or another major war to get more people amped up again, e.g., Occupy style. 2013 - some shit could hit the fan as well.  
        Other than that, they just keep on doing what they want and do not consider any of the obvious sensible and logical actions that could be taken.

        "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

        by BigAlinWashSt on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:59:49 PM PST

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        •  well, the way i figure it... (5+ / 0-)

          if the wealth stratification trends continue there will at some indeterminate time come a tipping point where the unmet needs of a population of a certain size become so pressing and so common that people see their common cause and events become more heated for the 1%...

          i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

          by joe shikspack on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 06:23:11 PM PST

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        •  in Seattle (5+ / 0-)

          small consolation I know but mildly encouraging news:

          SEATTLE (AP) - The mayor of Seattle is ending the police department's drone program after local residents protested.

          Mayor Mike McGinn announced Thursday the Seattle Police Department will not use two small drones it obtained through a federal grant. McGinn says the unmanned aerial vehicles will be returned to the vendor.


          The program drew strong criticism from residents at a City Council meeting Wednesday. The council was considering an ordinance giving police the authority to use drones.

          The mayor's decision comes as the use of drones draws national attention. Lawmakers in more than 10 states are looking at plans to restrict the use of drones amid concerns they could be exploited to spy on Americans.

          If I can't dance I don't want to be part of your revolution. ~ Emma Goldman

          by Lady Libertine on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 06:33:13 PM PST

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          •  I guess that's encouraging (6+ / 0-)

            Actually it is encouraging.  Protests at the local level can still be effective.

            What's not encouraging is the way that the feds are militarizing and weaponizing local police departments through these grants, which were probably Homeland Security grants.  I wish we could get rid of the Homeland Security department altogether.  

            It also happens through a program that the Pentagon operates where they give surplus equipment to local police departments.  The amount of giveaways has increased enormously in recent years. I wrote about that a year or two ago.  I should go back and do a follow up and find out which towns or sheriffs got tanks and other military gear during the past year.   I wonder if they have found a way to give drones away through that program.  I haven't noticed anything scary looking at our local police department lately, though their vehicles are a hell of a lot more menacing looking than they were when I was a kid.

            "Justice is a commodity"

            by joanneleon on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 06:47:51 PM PST

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          •  That's most probably where it's got to happen, (6+ / 0-)

            at the local and state levels.  Fight back against the Fed from there.  I'm thinking about focusing my efforts there as well.  

            "The Global War on Terror is a justification for U.S. Imperialism. It must be stopped."

            by BigAlinWashSt on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:03:15 PM PST

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        •  Well now (5+ / 0-)

          some high-level official can just declare us as "associated forces" and target us with drones if they feel like it.   I think they might put Code Pink on the list one of these days.

          Speaking of Code Pink, I was surprised today when DiFi threw everybody out of the room and then let spectators back in if they didn't look like a protester -- when she announced she was going to do it there was only a small smattering of applause really.  Probably John Brennan's wife and his brother.  

          So many times I've seen the audience applaud when protesters were thrown out.  Not so much this time.  

          "Justice is a commodity"

          by joanneleon on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 06:34:45 PM PST

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  •  Waiting for the blizzard... (3+ / 0-)

    ...or something like it.  I'm betting the college makes everyone go to school in the morning before sending us home when travel gets treacherous.

  •  How weird. Marcy Wheeler looks as if... (4+ / 0-)

    ...she's CGIed in that interview.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:38:08 PM PST

  •  Good evening, Joe (6+ / 0-)

    It's sad as I used to defend him a lot and still think his docs are important, but I can see how Michael Moore is a hypocrite now. His defense of ZDT does not go well with him asking Obama supporters to pressure him on drones. He also doesn't understand politics. Presidential elections are not the most important thing in the world but they are important and that is the time to pressure.

    SS and Medicare are back on the table as I said. It's a year later and the fake mortgage task force has done nothing to hold bankers accountable for securities fraud; not even for investors. Their latest case against S&P is a joke, not criminal, against no executive, and likely just sour grapes for the downgrade.

    Being right in a world like this I take no pleasure in.

    I don't negotiate grand bargains with deficit terrorists!

    by priceman on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 05:54:53 PM PST

    •  evening priceman... (8+ / 0-)

      i think michael moore has a problem figuring out what side he's on these days.  i think that he is an old school kind of guy and expects institutions like parties and unions to do the right thing and wants to support them rather than reform them.  it leads him into a number of unsupportable positions, though i believe that in general his heart is probably in the right place.

      back a long time before the election i put wrote a diary that showed the whole history of the drive to kill social security and obama's place in it.  i pretty darned well predicted obama's actions now.  i had people baying for my head for my trouble. i wonder if i get to say, "i told you so."  you and me and a number of other folks here should have that unpleasant right, i think.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 06:09:59 PM PST

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      •  I guess that is the crux of the problem (4+ / 0-)

        We need reform on all levels. He started on that front with Capitalism: A Love Story which showed the promise of coops which I think is great if anyone wants an outlet for socialism in owning the means of production and also bringing back common sense regulation. There wasn't enough of a critique of the Obama administration though which is why Inside Job is a better movie.

        Then the election rolled around and that was all the focus. Moore's heart probably is in the right place but you know what they say sometimes about good intentions. I will still check out his docs and still respect him, but I reserve the right to critique him as well for not being consistent.

        Indeed. I remember your diary. Some people here have the never to say we weren't right about anything which leads to the question as to how does that sand taste when their head is buried in it? Don't like it? How does this crow taste. We have indeed, earned that right, my friend.

        I don't negotiate grand bargains with deficit terrorists!

        by priceman on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 06:21:00 PM PST

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      •  Joe - your excellent post on SS - recommended (4+ / 0-)

        it many times.

        Re posted it here on DK

        And the Obamabots kept saying it won't happen

        Well, it looks like the two parties are in the squeeze play to squeeze us

        Need all that money for the military so they can continue there adventures around the globe and build the capacity to do the same thing here at home when the natives get restless.

        Social Security is Not Broke was the original post by David Cay Johnston

        Why do politicians lie so much?

        •  Why do politicians lie so much? (0+ / 0-)

          It is the price of admission into the club, it seems, Don.

          waddle like a duck, wiggle like a snake.....

          The best ones at both get to go to the head of the line, ie Obama and Rubio both come to mind as the best examples from both parties.

          "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

          by allenjo on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 08:58:24 AM PST

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      •  I remember that. (4+ / 0-)

        Oy, they really were baying for your head.  Been there, done that, and it's not fun.  And now i often see the same or similar suspects yelling about how the things we raised alarms about never came to be.  Yeah, right.

        Concerning Michael Moore and ZDT, I think that is all about his sense of loyalty with his Hollywood friends.  

        As for his often harsh and accurate criticisms of Democratic institutions and then his consistent case of amnesia right before elections... I don't know what that is but he's not the only prominent activist who does it.  Robert Reich does the same thing, time and time again.  Even Daniel Ellsberg did it this year even though he's involved in a serious lawsuit against the guy who he was telling swing state voters to vote for. And it's no insignificant lawsuit. It's about targeting Americans, journalists, for unilateral assassination or detainment.  That was a mind blower.

        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:00:25 PM PST

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        •   M Moore didn't surprise me at least he didn't (3+ / 0-)
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          get on his knees this time to beg for votes for Team Blue, but his defense of ZDT did surprise me. So did Daniel Ellsberg's comments calling for support for Obama,especially considering someone he a real reason to fear in office.
          But no, there was this FEAR of Romney that superseded all other concerns, and some day people may ask what they feared that Romney would've done compared to what Obama DID.

          Then I'm back to the same place when it comes to ardent supporters 'just what does Obama have to do to get opposition ACROSS Party lines and society in general? Kill people off a secret list? Detain people without charges or trial 'indefinitely'? Expand war to 35 more countries in Africa? Protect Banking criminals and war criminals (while prosecuting whistle blowers)? Repeatedly put cuts to SS 'on the table'? and so many more things that I know you could add. Where does it stop?

          One very small example...I've made friends here among people fighting against the giant coal terminal(s) and then lost a few of the same people for criticizing Obama over the possible Trans Pacific Partnership which would make all our fight against them a moot issue if signed into law. I guess at least some discussed that (very little), but as far as the few things I mentioned above? Silence.

          without the ants the rainforest dies

          by aliasalias on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 09:57:27 PM PST

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          •  What a question, or perhaps it is the answers (2+ / 0-)
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            that boggle the mind, because if anyone is still defending this administration after all of the below, what are their values, what do they truly believe in?

            'just what does Obama have to do to get opposition ACROSS Party lines and society in general?
            Kill people off a secret list?

            Detain people without charges or trial 'indefinitely'?

            Expand war to 35 more countries in Africa?

            Protect Banking criminals and war criminals (while prosecuting whistle blowers)?

            Repeatedly put cuts to SS 'on the table'?

            Perhaps for those who do not believe that a Democratic president would agree to cut benefits to seniors, veterans, the poor and disabled, no matter how much he talks about doing so, might be a tipping point, should a Democratic president do something so stupid.

            "Who are these men who really run this land? And why do they run it with such a thoughtless hand?" David Crosby

            by allenjo on Fri Feb 08, 2013 at 09:04:51 AM PST

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  •  evenin' joe (5+ / 0-)

    Drone bases in Saudi Arabia ? Seems like I remember some of these Muslim fundies getting p.o.'d about US bases there a few years back. They consider that their Holy Land. That chart on gun ownership makes it look pretty cut-and-died doesn't it ?

    The free market is not the solution, the free market is the problem.

    by Azazello on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 06:18:01 PM PST

    •  evening azazello... (5+ / 0-)

      it seems to me that this infidel troops stationed on the umma was one of the primary justifications that certain "terrists" used to generate support for hostilities against us.

      brilliant move hiding it like that.  after all, the folks that live in saudi arabia would never notice such an incursion on their land since drones are all but invisible and silent.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 06:47:41 PM PST

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      •  LOL (5+ / 0-)
        after all, the folks that live in saudi arabia would never notice such an incursion on their land since drones are all but invisible and silent.
        Those drones are the most loud and annoying things.  They drive people crazy. The journalists in Gaza were only there for a few nights and if you watched them on Twitter, that's all it took for them to start ranting and raving about the drones and the people who were sending them.  So you can imagine what it does to the Pakistanis and the Yemenis who have been dealing with them for months and years.

        But yes, I'm sure it's a big secret in Saudi Arabia.


        The secrecy is for the people of the United States.  If we knew half of what they were doing... who knows what would happen.  But we are the primary reason for most of the extensive secrecy, IMHO.

        "Justice is a commodity"

        by joanneleon on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:08:24 PM PST

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    •  You go back, Jack, do it again (4+ / 0-)

      wheels turnin round and round

      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:04:59 PM PST

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  •  Wow, extensive lineup tonight, joe (4+ / 0-)

    and good evening to all.  I didn't know that Marcy was on al Jazeera yesterday. Watching it now.  brb

    "Justice is a commodity"

    by joanneleon on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 06:25:18 PM PST

  •  We should have had a DKos betting pool (3+ / 0-)

    on snowfall numbers for tomorrow back east.  My hunch is that the 24 inches being talked up will amount to 10 inches...which is still nothing to sneeze at if you have to shovel it off of your driveway, but it's a far cry from 2 feet.

    It will be interesting to see what happens tomorrow.  I wish we could get some of the white stuff out here...we haven't had a single day so far where we got anything that actually stuck and accumulated after hitting the ground, and only 2 days when there was any snowflakes that you could see falling down.

    It's been a mild winter.

    Oregon:'s cold. But it's a damp cold.

    by Keith930 on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 06:36:37 PM PST

    •  Philadelphia area (2+ / 0-)
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      Rain, but a lot of it.  I'm fairly close to the ocean so maybe people further west will get some snow.  But for us it's rain.

      It looks like it's going to be a New England snow.  NYC may or may not get slammed.  My son has plans to be at NYU this weekend for a debate tournament. I suspect that they might be canceling that because of the snow.  

      I can remember a lot of mid February snow storms.  Often we get one on the weekend near Valentine's day.  

      We still need to keep a watch on things because the line between rain and snow is not too far north of us and we're depending on forecasts, of course.

      I was very happy with the few scanty snow storms we had during the past week or so.  Pretty but no bother.

      "Justice is a commodity"

      by joanneleon on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:19:14 PM PST

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    •  evening keith... (1+ / 0-)
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      i guess it depends on how far north on the east coast.  if we were going to get a flake or two, the local weatherdroids would be hyperventilating by now.  so i would imagine that the mid atlantic won't get too much snow.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:29:35 PM PST

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  •  Agree - an extensive line up (4+ / 0-)

    signed the petition

    my password for white house login is


    Brennen show was incredible. The establishment does not want to face up to who we are.

    Breweries against Fracking. That is a new ally in the fight.

    What if beer companies ran ads about the destruction of ground water?

    •  evening don... (3+ / 0-)
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      the brennan show was indeed incredible.  it blows my mind that someone can for some considerable amount of time be part of an administration that acts in such a high-handed manner and  then when seeking a favor from some of the very people that have been held in contempt by that administration be met with such bowing and scraping obsequiousness.

      it's clear that the senate intelligence committee is nothing but a paper tiger and their "oversight" is worthless.

      i'm not too surprised that the breweries are up in arms about fracking.  one of the most vociferous leaders of opposition to fracking in maryland is the owner of a winery in the heart of the marcellus shale region of maryland.

      have a great evening!

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Thu Feb 07, 2013 at 07:37:35 PM PST

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  •  If you didn't see, a win at Brooklyn College (5+ / 0-)

    The Jewish Lobby went all out against the free speech of Palestine speakers.

    They got NY City Council members to sign a letter threatening the funds of the college. Congress members, even Jerry Nadler spoke out against free speech.

    Brooklyn College update from Glenn Greenwald:

    I wrote several times in the last week about the growing censorship campaign aimed at Brooklyn College over an event some of its students organized and its Political Science department sponsored regarding Israel and the BDS movement. There is now very good news to report: namely, both Brooklyn College and academic freedom - as a result of serious public protest over the censorship efforts - have triumphed over the bullying campaign directed at the college.
    The censorship campaign began to unravel when two City Council members who originally signed onto the letter threatening the College's funding renounced the letter and withdrew their support; one of them, Stephen Levin, began sending an apologetic email to constituents angry about his signing onto that letter. Then, the college's President issued a defiant and principled defense of academic freedom, and the school's Political Science Department chair did the same.
    Yesterday, Mayor Michael Bloomberg, while emphasizing what a stalwart defender of Israel he is, delivered a steadfast defense of Brooklyn College's right to hold whatever events it wishes, and strongly condemned the threats to its funding. Said the Mayor:
    "The last thing that we need is for members of our City Council or State Legislature to be micromanaging the kinds of programs that our public universities run, and base funding decisions on the political views of professors. I can't think of anything that would be more destructive to a university and its students."
    Then, the political officials who signed the original letter demanding the withdrawal of the department's sponsorship of the event completely reversed course and backed down, trying to save face by pronouncing themselves satisfied with the school's stated willingness to host anti-BDS speakers in the future (something they were willing to do from the start).
    This important and surprising victory demonstrates what principled leadership combined with public activism can achieve. It can defeat even the most monied and organized factions, as it did here. All of you who made yourselves heard should be proud of the role you played in this victory (I was on Democracy Now yesterday with one of the event speakers, Omar Barghouti, talking about this controversy; the transcript and video are here).

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