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Seismic activity has been detected in North Korea with an earthquake measuring 4.9 magnitude registered by the U.S. Geological Survey, in a move that South Korea said indicated that Pyongyang had carried out a third nuclear test.

The quake occurred at 10:57 a.m Korean time (01:57GMT) and South Korea's presidential office said that it was "likely" a nuclear test, according to the South's Yonhap news agency

http://www.reuters.com/...

Supposedly China is going to take a hard line against North Korea this time.  We'll see about that I guess now that North Korea has exploded their 3rd nuclear bomb.  China won't do anything, citing need for "stability" in the region or such.  Then they'll get back to gaming the world economy with their currency manipulation while Americans fight for the remaining scraps left by the multinational corporations, China's partner in crime.

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  •  Here it is on the USGS (5+ / 0-)

    earthquake hazard webpage. Epicenter reported as 1 km. Seems pretty shallow for your normal earthquake.

  •  so much for direct engagement (1+ / 0-)
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    Wednesday Bizzare

    it was an interesting thought I suppose

    setting the stage for the modern conservative

    by MWV on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 08:00:00 PM PST

    •  ? there will be engagements (0+ / 0-)

      via underground tunnels, and we've just started drilling ?
      is this Loony Toons, come to life ?
      where's the Martian ?

      There is no Article II power which says the Executive can violate the Constitution.--@Hugh * Addington's Perpwalk: TRAILHEAD of Accountability for Bush-2 Crimes.

      by greenbird on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 08:33:47 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  So you are against dialogue? (1+ / 0-)
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      happymisanthropy

      And the alternative is what?

      What about my Daughter's future?

      by koNko on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 09:15:40 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  Subverting their government. (1+ / 0-)
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        Progressif

        I think that's a much better alternative.  There are always fissures in seemingly monolithic regimes. At very least, we could make Kim devote the bulk of his efforts to staying in power rather than projecting power in obnoxious ways.

        You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

        by Rich in PA on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 03:55:44 AM PST

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        •  I think you're a little late to the party (0+ / 0-)
          At very least, we could make Kim devote the bulk of his efforts to staying in power rather than projecting power in obnoxious ways.
          Um ... this obnoxiousness is one of the tools to stay in power.

          And I'm wondering, how would you go about subverting the DPRK government?

          What about my Daughter's future?

          by koNko on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 08:21:31 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

      •  Whatever we must be doing? (0+ / 0-)

        Or not doing

        setting the stage for the modern conservative

        by MWV on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 09:18:24 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  This on eve of Obama's SOTU is interesting timing. (4+ / 0-)
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    Father Time remains undefeated.

    by jwinIL14 on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 08:00:29 PM PST

  •  oh good. (4+ / 0-)
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    Gooserock, doubledutch, Mogolori, koNko

    i was afraid it was an "artificial earthquake."
    resulting from fracking.

    what a relief !!!!!!!!!

    There is no Article II power which says the Executive can violate the Constitution.--@Hugh * Addington's Perpwalk: TRAILHEAD of Accountability for Bush-2 Crimes.

    by greenbird on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 08:08:47 PM PST

  •  wait: i never used one, but people have. (0+ / 0-)

    (i don't fly fast enough to worry, see.)

    radar buster thingies...
    what's the equivalent for "eminent appearance of drone" within your property boundaries (or in vicinity of your vehicle or person), and is having one (yet-to-be-invented?) within 2nd amendment right ?

    There is no Article II power which says the Executive can violate the Constitution.--@Hugh * Addington's Perpwalk: TRAILHEAD of Accountability for Bush-2 Crimes.

    by greenbird on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 08:31:56 PM PST

  •  Is Kim Jong-Un actually in charge? (6+ / 0-)

    He didn't get the usual long grooming for the job. He has no military experience and there's no reason for the men with the guns to respect him. He's young enough to maybe be naive and easy to manipulate.

    The question comes up because there seems to have been no policy shift whatever, as you'd expect from someone who wanted to make a name for himself.

    Freedom isn't free. Patriots pay taxes.

    by Dogs are fuzzy on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 08:40:53 PM PST

    •  indeed (1+ / 0-)
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      ColoTim

      he looks awfully young.

      nice sig.

    •  He's reasonably in charge. (0+ / 0-)

      This nuclear test continues the program started by Kim Jong Il.

      He's also trying to put his own stamp on the office -- sort of a Kinder, Gentler Tyrant.  The propaganda has been showing a liberalization of lifestyle within the parameters of juche -- too bad it appears that in making Pyongyang sparkle he just had to steal food from two other provinces, where cannibalism has been reported.  

       

      "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

      by Yamaneko2 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 05:00:34 AM PST

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      •  Hardly (0+ / 0-)

        At least to a Chinese perspective he is a worse and less predictable tyrant.

        Watch for the UN Security Council including China to meet today and take sanctions.

        Media in China today is highly critical and the timing of this during the Lunar New Year, just before a government transition and just before the US SOTU address is pissing-off the Chinese leadership in a big way.

        Chinese media is uniformly critical of this today.

        I think Mr. Kim can expect some delays in oil shipments this month.

        China does not want the DPRK to implode and would act to prevent that, but this little stunt is going to cause China more hardship and I assure you the leadership is not pleased.

        What about my Daughter's future?

        by koNko on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 08:35:05 AM PST

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        •  He's reasonably in charge, not reasonable. (0+ / 0-)

          The Wikileaks memos indicated that China was not particularly fond of Kim Jong Il;  it should be interesting to see if Mr. Kim's oil shipments arrive on time.  

          Kim Jong Un is unpredictable.  It took less than a month to move from Disney concerts with the Moranbong Band (an all-female ensemble that actually shows kneecaps) to a dream sequence of New York City getting bombed to the strains of "We Are The World".  If Fall 2012 was "stronger socialist lifestyle", Winter 2013 is "all military-first, all the time".

          "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

          by Yamaneko2 on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 01:47:52 PM PST

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    •  In charge and worse that his father. (0+ / 0-)

      And there has been a policy shift to the more extreme and provocative. I know it's difficult to tell, so trust me on that.

      Elder Kim was actually a lot more clever about how to game the system to extract aid and concessions, even Chinese patience is wearing thing with younger Kim.

      What about my Daughter's future?

      by koNko on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 08:28:00 AM PST

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  •  boom (0+ / 0-)

    FDR 9-23-33, "If we cannot do this one way, we will do it another way. But do it we will.

    by Roger Fox on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 08:49:41 PM PST

  •  You lost here ... (6+ / 0-)
    Supposedly China is going to take a hard line against North Korea this time.  We'll see about that I guess now that North Korea has exploded their 3rd nuclear bomb.  China won't do anything, citing need for "stability" in the region or such.  Then they'll get back to gaming the world economy with their currency manipulation while Americans fight for the remaining scraps left by the multinational corporations, China's partner in crime.
    That is irrational nonsense and I suggest you edit to delete.

    What about my Daughter's future?

    by koNko on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 09:10:36 PM PST

    •  which part is nonsense? (0+ / 0-)

      irrational?  maybe the currency manipulation part.  nope.  that's accurate:  they are gaming the system.  the criminal parts?  nope, they are gaming the system which in most games is criminal.

      sorry your comment is what's the fail.

      Stop Prohibition, Start Harm Reduction

      by gnostradamus on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 05:02:28 AM PST

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      •  It's not nonsense ... (0+ / 0-)

        but I don't see how China's response to nuclear tests in North Korea has anything to do with their gaming the world economy. This is one area where we are in agreement (neither China nor the U.S. wants North Korea to have usable nukes) so we should be able to work together.

      •  All nonsense. (0+ / 0-)

        But I suppose, from your comfortable General's arm chair, the fact that China has to play multiple sides of this issue to keep the DPRK from a very dangerous collapse looks like some sort of "game", but the reality is a bit more complicated and nuanced.

        As for currency manipulation, please do publish a factual diary on the subject including the data of how monetary policy and currency markets operate in the global economy including how the US Dollar as the de facto reserve currency affects others and guarantees the US virtually unlimited credit despite the fact it is the world's largest debtor nation.

        What about my Daughter's future?

        by koNko on Tue Feb 12, 2013 at 08:41:45 AM PST

        [ Parent ]

  •  I'd bet these are not weaponized bombs (1+ / 0-)
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    Hockeyray

    After seeing their terribly incompetent 'space' program, my guess is that these 'stunt' bombs are most likely of the 'Little Boy' uranium gun types, which are much simpler to create (for a state), but are big heavy things (they actually need an artillary barrel to fire a uranium plug into another piece of uranium in order to create a critical mass) and cannot be miniaturized, because they need the large barrel and have to keep the two pieces of uranium at a distance from each other to keep them from fissioning. The 'Fat Man' implosion device is orders of magnitude more technically difficult to produce, and needs plutonium which is much harder to make.

    Of course they could always put the 'bomb' on a freighter or drive it around on a semi-trailer to deliver it, but it's not going to be put on any missile - it would weigh tons. The whole idea behind creating and exploding one is propaganda, to frighten and impress us, S. Korea, Japan, other rogue states, and of course the N. Korean people.

    New Arizona State Motto; "Yeah, but it's a dry hate!"

    by Fordmandalay on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 09:20:13 PM PST

    •  We dropped one of these "un-weaponized" bombs ... (0+ / 0-)

      on Japan. It seemed to make a really good weapon at the time. Maybe they couldn't put it on a missile and hit Hawaii, but there are lots of targets that are much closer to North Korea.

  •  Fuck those hermitz... (0+ / 0-)

    "And now we know that government by organized money is just as dangerous as government by organized mob." -- FDR

    by Mogolori on Mon Feb 11, 2013 at 10:58:25 PM PST

  •  If North Korea keeps this up (1+ / 0-)
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    koNko

    poor old Cheney might have another heart attack.

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