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to name a specific "socialist view" a Democrat has and why it is so bad?

I think we can really stump conservatives if we ask them to name a "specific" socialist view and ask why it is so bad.

For example, Elizabeth Warren's stance on medicare and social security is to protect and strengthen them. If you were to ask "why is that so bad and socialist?" and say "what you are saying does not make sense", they should have a deer in the headlights look. An overwhelming majority of Americans support these programs. They are mainstream.

Imagine if we stump conservatives on questions and/or make them say something really stupid. That will really start to dismantle the GOP's empire on us.

The more we raise skepticism and make them look ridiculous, people will continue to wake up.

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Comment Preferences

  •  Not really. (4+ / 0-)
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    gffish, Dogs are fuzzy, lightarty, wasatch

    They'll say "welfare" or they'll say Obamacare. And whatever you say to contradict them, they'll respond with something they learned from Fox News or heard on the radio. You can't argue a tea partier into a corner based on logic. It's a hopeless, as well as pointless, exercise.

  •  Generally, I simply refuse (3+ / 0-)
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    jds1978, CwV, wasatch

    to buy into their framing, because what "Socialist" means to me is not what it means to them.

    Instead, I insist they criticize policy, or voting records rather than accept their attempts to label someone with what they consider to be a bad word.

    If they want to play that game, try calling them fascists, and watch them squeal.

    I hope that the quality of debate will improve,
    but I fear we will remain Democrats.

    Who is twigg?

    by twigg on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 05:47:52 PM PST

  •  Google "Debbie Riddle" or "moscow pit of hell" (1+ / 0-)
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    wasatch

    Debbie Riddle & Terror Babies

    Essentially any noun modified by the adjective "public" = socialism.  See "public schools," "public option," "public library,"  "public works,"  "Public Broadcasting," "public transportation," etc.  

    "Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold...The best lack all conviction, while the worst Are full of passionate intensity" -W.B. Yeats

    by LucyandByron on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 05:51:36 PM PST

  •  Dagnabbit! (0+ / 0-)

    Ain't all them thar Democrat views like all Socialistical 'n' Kommienistical 'n' stuff?!?!?

    "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

    by Stude Dude on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 05:56:05 PM PST

  •  I tell 'em, whatever you call it, (1+ / 0-)
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    wasatch

    we desperately need a whole lot more of it.

    Not much of a serious argument, but I really make it a point not to argue with whackadoodles anyway.

    They're not a serious party anymore. -Kos

    by thenekkidtruth on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 06:06:44 PM PST

  •  These are a few: (0+ / 0-)

    1. Single payer or 'Medicare for All' is equivalent to socialized medicine.
    2. Nationalizing banks.
    3. Nationalizing energy companies.
    4. Nationalizing stock exchanges.
    5. Nationalizing military manufacturers.
    6. Government directed mortgage financing.

    These are certainly socialist ideas that are not uncommon.

    As to why they are so bad, one might retort: where have they worked? But then the discussion becomes 'It depends on your definition of "worked"'

  •  no (1+ / 0-)
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    ssgbryan

    because they dont know the definition of socialist ,pointless

  •  I go the other direction. (3+ / 0-)
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    askyron, ssgbryan, wasatch

    A lot of "socialist" ideas are populist.
    A lot of TeaBaggers are populist.
    If you take the label off and ask them about the content of certain policies, they are all for it.
    I got a guy agreeing with me that everybody should be on Medicare! And he was more gung ho to hang most of the Wall Street Banksters than I am.
    He hates to pay taxes but he does understand that cutting the school budget, closing the vocational high school, made it hard for him to find people he could hire that had a clue about fixing electric motors. And he understood that someone, had to pay to fix the potholes in the street in front of his shop.
    But those things aren't "socialism", they're "things he needs".
    Naming them Obama or Socialist or Liberal flips a switch in the lizard brain that shuts off rational though. I don't see any point in flipping that switch.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Wed Feb 20, 2013 at 07:04:18 PM PST

  •  They've no idea what the words mean. (2+ / 0-)
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    kmfmstar, wasatch

    Obamacare et al. is not socialism. Collectivizing all of the wheat farms in the Midwest, now that would be socialism. As would partially nationalizing a large financial firm like, say, AIG by forcibly taking an equity interest in it; no, wait, that was Bush.

  •  Socialism for the rich (0+ / 0-)

    Social Darwinism for the poor.

    Socialis programs would be fine with them if the benefits were restricted to Real Americans who deserve them. The bad kind of Socialism is

    All men [sic] are created equal.

    Equal protection of the laws.

    Love thy neighbor as thyself.

    Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.

    Ceterem censeo, gerrymandra delenda est

    by Mokurai on Thu Feb 21, 2013 at 07:30:05 AM PST

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