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Mother Jones:

South Carolina's youngest state representative, 24-year-old Joshua Putnam, recently proposed a bill that would ban most health care providers from asking whether their patients own guns. Its purpose is to fend off a nonexistent Obama plan to register all gun owners and possibly take away their weapons. "We don't want the federal government to come down and hold any Medicaid or Medicare dollars over our heads if doctors don't give up information about their patient's guns," says Putnam. "We want to protect physicians and we want to protect the citizens."

It's one among a recent wave of similar pro-gun legislation that doctors say could be detrimental to their patients. That pushback from medical professionals has made at least a few Republicans skittish: Three of the South Carolina bill's cosigners dropped off this month.

Really? Even after a host of similar legislation (.pdf) was struck down, tabled, ticked off local docs, and otherwise made life miserable for legislators? My colleague Bill Begg says:
"Physicians are interested in [keeping] our patients alive and allowing them to live longer, and part of that has to do with gun violence," says Dr. William Begg, an emergency room physician in Danbury, Connecticut, who treated victims of the Sandy Hook Elementary School massacre. Rather than encouraging doctors to tell their patients about the well-documented health risks of owning guns, Begg warns that legislation like Putnam's "makes it easier for health care providers to remain silent for fear of reprisal."
Hartford Courant:
News that the U.S. Senate would not take up a ban on assault weapons hit Newtown residents hard Wednesday.

"I'm very disappointed — heartbroken, actually," said Newtown First Selectman Pat Llodra. "I get it, I understand how the politics work and how it's really all about numbers, but I can say in my heart and in my soul I want so much to honor and trust our government, but I feel shaken to the core again. If what happens here in Newtown doesn't convince people that we need to make some changes I don't know what else could happen."

"You wonder how we can ever make a difference and what is our government all about," she said. "I really question what it is that the people in Washington are looking at that's so different than what I'm looking at that tells them we don't need change."

Pat's a Republican (here's a case where that really doesn't matter locally) but she gets it. In any case, be prepared for ups and downs and the long haul. Oh, and Bill Begg is quoted in this one, too:
"When you live in Newtown and every single day you walk by someone who has been directly or indirectly affected, there's no way you can forget," said Dr. William Begg, a Newtown resident and emergency room physician, who testified at a Senate Judiciary Committee hearing on gun control. "It's that sense of community and loss that I see every day that keeps us going to try to afford some change."
So true.

More politics and policy below the fold.

NBC:

Yankees, Red Sox come together to honor Newtown

America’s two most storied baseball teams will set aside their rivalry on opening day to honor the victims of the Newtown massacre.  On April 1, the New York Yankees and Boston Red Sox will start their season by commemorating the 26 people killed at Sandy Hook Elementary School in December.

David Ignatius:
Ten years ago this week, I was covering the U.S. military as it began its assault on Iraq. As I read back now over my clips, I see a few useful warnings about the difficulties ahead. But I owe readers an apology for being wrong on the overriding question of whether the war made sense.
Yes, you do. Thanks for making one.
Good news/bad news for administration on implementing Obamacare: almost everyone, including D's have low expectations http://t.co/...
@amyewalter via Twitter for iPad

Why not? Republicans constantly push the idea that government can't do anything. Everyone has reasons to think it in certain areas, so that's fertile ground to plow. But when it comes to Medicare, not so much.

Bloomberg:

A majority of Americans disapprove of the Republicans in Congress, yet the odds remain in the party’s favor that it will retain control of the House. One big reason the Republicans have this edge: their district boundaries are drawn so carefully that the only votes that often matter come from fellow Republicans.
Not the whole story, though, because much of it is that large populations of D's live in cities. That doesn't affect Senate races, but it sure matters in the House if all your votes are concentrated in one district.
10 years on, I want to thank @digby56, @atrios. @billmon1, @letsgetshort, @tomtomorrow, Steve Gilliard for speaking up. It mattered.
@kiphampton via TweetDeck

Me, too. P.S. Don't forget Markos.

Jonathan Capehart:

“The GOP Still Won’t Own Up To Its Real Problem With Voters.” This headline of Joshua Green’s smart piece for Bloomberg Businessweek on the Republican Party autopsy of its failed 2012 presidential effort nails it. Actually, Green points to two very real problems on which the GOP remains steadfastly mute.

One problem was the Republican Party’s vast effort to disenfranchise African American voters (and the young, I might add). The other was numerous GOP figures’ perpetuation of the racist “birther” lie against President Obama without so much as a corrective “Oh, no you don’t” from the party establishment. On this latter point, Green wrote, “I’ll leave it to those better qualified than I am to say precisely what effect this had on minorities’ view of the GOP….”

Considering I’m African American and have hammered the Republican Party establishment for its complicity in furthering the delegitimizing lie that Obama wasn’t born in this country (and thus occupying the Oval Office illegally), let me talk about the effect this had.

Blacks hated it — and continue to hate it.

Here's the original Joshua Green piece.

Originally posted to Daily Kos on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 04:30 AM PDT.

Also republished by Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA) and Shut Down the NRA.

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  •  ... (43+ / 0-)
    "By now, many of you have heard about Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid's announcement yesterday regarding the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013. Speaking at a press conference on Capitol Hill, Senator Reid announced that the Assault Weapons Ban will not be part of the base gun violence prevention bill he brings to the Senate floor next month.

    The reaction from gun violence prevention advocates was fierce and immediate; many felt betrayed. The press quickly reported that "the Assault Weapons Ban is dead in the Senate."

    The press is wrong.

    There's no doubt that Senator Reid's statement could have been more sensitive and thoughtful. But it's important to understand the procedural hurdles he is contemplating. If there is a filibuster by Republicans, Senator Reid will need 60 votes to bring a gun violence prevention bill to the Senate floor for a vote. He is weighing whether he can get those 60 votes in a package bill if the Assault Weapons Ban (AWB) is included. His estimation is that it is better to leave the AWB out of the bill he brings to the floor, so that he can break a filibuster and get it there in the first place. Once it's on the floor, Senator Reid has been clear that he will allow Senator Feinstein to introduce the AWB as an amendment to the bill. This strategy would ensure that all the important pieces of the Senate Judiciary Committe's package (universal background checks, anti-gun trafficking penalties, and the Assault Weapons Ban) actually get votes, as opposed to none of them.

    And let's remember what the sponsor of the Assault Weapons Ban of 2013, Senator Dianne Feinstein, said on January 27th of this year:

    "There will be a package put together. If assault weapons is left out of the package...I've been assured by the majority leader I will be able to do it as an amendment on the floor, which is the way I did it in 1993. So, that doesn't particularly bother me."

    And it shouldn't bother us either.

    Let's all stay focused and get the up or down votes on the Senate floor that gun violence victims and survivors so richly deserve. Please continue to call your Senators at (202) 224-3121 and tell them to vote YES on universal background checks, the assault weapons ban, and tougher criminal penalties for straw buyers and gun traffickers.

    Thank you as always for your support!

    Sincerely,

    Josh Horwitz
    Executive Director
    Coalition to Stop Gun Violence

    You can find the letter here.

    "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

    by Greg Dworkin on Wed Mar 20, 2013 at 06:44:35 PM PDT

    •  It is heartbreaking to me that the efforts in (13+ / 0-)

      Congress to implement some new firearm regulations is (fir some Congress-critters) nothing but a fig leaf that allows them to say they tried, so I can only imagine how painful it must be for the residents of Newtown.

      That said, this should not discourage us in efforts to find ways to reduce the carnage.  It will be a slow process, but we have already proven that this time the outrage will not blow over and be forgotten a few days, a few weeks or even a few months after 12/14. Just the fact that Congress is considering regulations and that the tradMed is talking about it (in spite of what is reported above in Josh Horwitz' piece about tradMed wrongly reporting on this) is progress, not enough for sure, but a good starting point. We knew that states may be the ones to lead the way and this week CO did just that.

      I wish progress would be swifter, but we must keep our resolve and keep working for sensible firearm regulations that will slowly reduce the carnage.

      Then they came for me - and by that time there was nobody left to speak up.

      by DefendOurConstitution on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 04:54:03 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Had Senator Reid been more sensitive (2+ / 0-)
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      and thoughtful, in other words, given the press reason to report that the Assault Weapons Ban was simply taking a procedural detour but was still a solid part of the package, the whole bill would have been filibustered.

      As Senate majority leader he might consider listening to his constituents (and as majority leader, his constituents are all Democrats in the country) and simply do away with the filibuster altogether, so it is no longer part of the political calculation. Unlike Boehner, though, Harry Reid is good at his job: understanding and manipulating the current Senate process, which includes the filibuster. Were he to get rid of it, he would also get rid of decades of his own knowledge and experience and be in uncharted waters.

      "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

      by Orinoco on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 09:03:02 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Blahblahblah (0+ / 0-)

      If the Senate Dems had the will to govern, they would have changed the filibuster rules on Day 1.  That they did not, bespeaks the obvious conslusion.

  •  Today is to me a holy day (7+ / 0-)

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 04:32:18 AM PDT

  •  Who needs more freakin' laws? (1+ / 0-)
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    leu2500

    Doctor: Do you own any firearms?

    Patient: It's none of your damned business, Doc. Now -- are you going to do your job or not?

    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

    by dinotrac on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 04:42:54 AM PDT

    •  Doctors are aware of statistics (7+ / 0-)

      Like the statistic that you are more likely to be killed or injured with a gun in the house. Your children are at even more risk:

      A 3-year-old boy in Greenville, South Carolina was shot in the head and killed on Friday after he started playing with a pink handgun because he thought it was a toy.
      http://www.rawstory.com/...
      An Alabama man was in surgery on Sunday after police said he shot himself and his 6-year-old daughter while cleaning his gun.
      http://www.rawstory.com/...
      No arrests have been made in the accidental shooting death of a 4-year-old boy.
      According to the Memphis police, Joshua Johnson was playing with a gun Monday when it went off.  He was pronounced dead on the scene.
      http://www.wmctv.com/...
      Minneapolis police confirm a 2-year-old boy is dead after he was shot by his 4-year-old brother on Wednesday afternoon.
      http://www.myfoxtwincities.com/...

      Statistics from the CDC:
      http://www.cdc.gov/...

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 06:19:19 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  That's nice. Who cares? (0+ / 0-)

        Nothing compels you to answer a doctor's question.  There is no need for a law to keep him/her from asking.  Just say "None of your damned business."  and move on.

        If your doctor gets testy, you need a new doctor.  If s/he refuses to treat you -- and you need treatment -- you've got a lawsuit in the making.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 06:49:45 AM PDT

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    •  Who needs "more feakin' laws"? (1+ / 0-)
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      How about the 2,824 Americans killed by gun violence since 12/14?

      You know, just in case twenty toddlers shot to bits isn't enough of a reason.

      Fuck me, it's a leprechaun.

      by MBNYC on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 06:48:01 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  So, how many toddlers have you shot to bits? (0+ / 0-)

        Perhaps I wasn't clear enough about which article I was responding to. It was the one about the guy proposing a law to prevent doctors from asking about firearms.

        Frankly, I don't think it's any of their damned business, but think a law is ridiculous.  As an adult and responsible human being, I am fully capable of telling a doctor to mind his own damned business. It's is beyond stupid to draft a law to that effect.

        Now -- if ever we are compelled to answer anything a doctor asks, I might change my mind.

        But we aren't.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 06:53:42 AM PDT

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  •  Today is a holy day for me, too. (8+ / 0-)

    Happy Birthday my beautiful granddaughter.  15 wonderful years.

    being mindful and keepin' it real

    by Raggedy Ann on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 04:44:14 AM PDT

  •   yes, from the party against (12+ / 0-)

    regulations, a move to regulate what doctors ask their patients.

    •  We have the same problem (2+ / 0-)
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      DSPS owl, MBNYC

      in Kansas- all these supposed "small government" conservatives do nothing but pass mandates all day telling people what they can and cannot do.
      As my Twitter profile says, "Less regulation and government intrusion begins with a woman's uterus."

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 06:33:32 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  NRA winning... (9+ / 0-)

    ...and no doubt gloating but I pray their victory will be short lived. People aren't forgetting Newtown, and there is a slow moving massacre taking place throughout America every day. And, without sensible prevention, including stricter gun control, there will be more Newtowns, Auroras, and Tuscons. How many more will depend on us, and the pressure we put on our representatives. Thanks for keeping this issue above the fold.

    •  It's only a matter of time... (5+ / 0-)

      ...before something as or more horrific than 12/14 occurs. Eventually, the tragic loss of life in Sandy Hook, Aurora, Va Tech, Tucson and other episodes of mass shootings will compel us to legislate limits on high capacity magazines and place some meaningful controls on assault style firearms. It just won't come soon enough to extend the time between now and the next awful news story.

      When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

      by Egalitare on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:17:52 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I know (2+ / 0-)
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        ratcityreprobate, SoCalSal

        That's the most tragic part of all...what will it take to get action? Every gun owner I know supports at least background checks, almost all support limits on assault weapons and magazines. What in God's name does it take?

        •  I want to see (2+ / 0-)
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          Orinoco, SoCalSal

          people running against incumbents using the inaction on regulation in the elections.  I hope that they will and that the public will support the issue in this way.

          Everyone! Arms akimbo!

          by tobendaro on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:40:55 AM PDT

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        •  What in God's name does it take? (2+ / 0-)
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          unionblue, RadGal70

          A few hundred thousand more slaughtered six year olds?  
          Nah.
          America loves its guns more than its children. Sad, but true.

          +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

          by cybersaur on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 08:36:28 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  We need to make membership in the NRA (3+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          unionblue, SoCalSal, basket

          a disgraceful thing, like belonging to a hate group.  

          Now, before the gun people get all excited, what I suggest is that the gun owners who do want reasonable limits form their own group, or build on an existing one - provide the safety training and information, use the clout of your organization to marginalize the NRA.  Make it clear that your group represents gun owners not gun makers.

          This could have the advantage of giving politicians who are fearful of the NRA a place to go.  

  •  Only a massacre in a maternity ward (7+ / 0-)

    is going to make these people give up their God-given right to field artillery. And there are plenty of politicians who live to protect survivalists and their comrades.

    •  That won't do it (7+ / 0-)

      they would just insist there be a pistol packing nurse in every maternity ward.

    •  "If you're talkin' about fetuses, we're all in!" (2+ / 0-)
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      skohayes, stellaluna

      "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

      by Bush Bites on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:20:57 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  No it won't. If Sandy Hook didn't then nothing (8+ / 0-)

      will crack the shell of those cold empty hearts. And those gun havers are controlled by their fear which is created and controlled by monied interests. The only thing that's going to change is if congress decides there are more of us than them. And their are.  But we can let Sandy Hook fade in our minds. And that we care just as strongly about our side.

      "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

      by stellaluna on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:27:41 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  "their fear" (2+ / 0-)
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        wishbone, andalusi

        Says someone that insists innocent Americans must give up their liberties for your perceived security.

        When 9/11 happened, were you in favor of warrantless wiretaps or will 'nothing crack the shell of  your cold & empty heart'?

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 06:01:32 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Your comment is premised on your apparent (6+ / 0-)

          belief that owning a weapon that shoots bullets at an extremely high rate is liberty. I don't agree.

          "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

          by stellaluna on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 06:37:28 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  It has nothing to do with 'my belief'... (0+ / 0-)

            it has everything to do with the 'English language'
            "Liberty--    
                    1)a)The condition of being free from restriction or control.
                        b)The right and power to act, believe, or express oneself in a manner of one's own choosing.
                    2) Freedom from unjust or undue governmental control.
                     3)A right or immunity to engage in certain actions without control or interference: the liberties protected by the Bill of Rights. "

            You are supporting sacrificing the liberty of innocent Americans for your perceived safety.

            You should feel uncomfortable with that very true statement.

            Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

            by FrankRose on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 10:00:50 PM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  You know what, Frank (4+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          stellaluna, MBNYC, cybersaur, SoCalSal

          Rights are not absolute. Read the Heller decision.

          The Supreme Court was clear in Heller that while law-abiding, responsible citizens have the right to a gun in the home for self defense, there is a wide variety of sensible gun laws that remain constitutional.
          http://www.dailykos.com/...

          “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

          by skohayes on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 06:38:32 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  This needs a drinking game. (5+ / 0-)

          Every time someone mentions "innocent Americans" or "liberties" when the conversation is actually about public health, do a shot.

          A shot of liquor, that is, not hollow-point freedom lead.

          Fuck me, it's a leprechaun.

          by MBNYC on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 06:51:31 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

        •  When 9/11 happened (1+ / 0-)
          Recommended by:
          RadGal70

          I didn't have to think about warrantless wiretaps, because we had a government that respected the Constitution.  Then Bush wiped his a** with it and got the Patriot Act passed, which violated the Fourth Amendment.

          I have never been in favor of the Patriot Act, nor of warrantless wiretaps.  You obviously believe that there is only one amendment that matters.  

          "There are times when even normal men must spit in their hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." - H.L. Mencken

          by rwgate on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 08:10:57 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

    •  Conjecture, falsehood & conspiracy. (1+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      andalusi

      Who wouldn't be willing to take liberties from innocent Americans with an argument like that?

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:56:59 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Only getting politicians who are proud (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      arlene, stellaluna

      of their NRA A+ ratings out of office will get those that remain to take action supported by their constituents. Despite the rhetoric, these guys really only listen to the people once every two or four or six years, the rest of the time they listen to money money money.

      "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

      by Orinoco on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 09:10:39 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  Politicians Telling Doctors How to Practice (11+ / 0-)

    It is a dumb idea for lawmakers to tell trauma physicians to censor themselves when gathering information from their patients.  It is an equally dumb idea to tell abortion providers to censor themselves and inflict political requirements on their patients.

    Republicans are really good at creating government interference in medical care.  Perhaps one of them can explain why U.S. outcomes are worse than in countries that don't impose political requirements that do nothing helpful for the patient.

    Don't look back, something may be gaining on you. - L. "Satchel" Paige

    by arlene on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 04:52:44 AM PDT

  •  A 24 y.o. wingnut legislator in South Carolina. (12+ / 0-)

    He has so many more years of stupid ahead of him.

    "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

    by Bush Bites on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 04:53:24 AM PDT

  •  gun legislation (6+ / 0-)

    Michael Moore is right.  Horrifying as it will be for the families, the Congress critters will not begin to really feel the public pressure until someone leaks photos of the Sandy Hook aftermath.

    •  Newtown is not ready for that (4+ / 0-)
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      LilithGardener, Miggles, skohayes, basket

      drop it as an idea.

      "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

      by Greg Dworkin on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:12:35 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  It's not a matter of idea (2+ / 0-)
        Recommended by:
        KibbutzAmiad, basket

        It's what passes for "enterprising journalism" these days.

        Newtown will never be ready for it. Most of us won't ever be ready for it.

        But some "journalist" and some ambitious "media distributor" already is.

        When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

        by Egalitare on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:22:17 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

      •  Greg, while I understand (5+ / 0-)

        that, who among us was ready for the photo of Emmett Till? Or of Abu Ghraib?

        Justice For Will Will spent his brief, courageous life fighting for the rights we all take for granted. Please share his story to support the fight!

        by KibbutzAmiad on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:42:59 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  I should add that I say (7+ / 0-)

          this as someone who did stand over my sister's deathbed as she died, gruesomely, at 27 with a bullet in her brain.

          Justice For Will Will spent his brief, courageous life fighting for the rights we all take for granted. Please share his story to support the fight!

          by KibbutzAmiad on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:43:33 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  Sorry about your horrible loss. (2+ / 0-)
            Recommended by:
            KibbutzAmiad, basket

            But, personally, I think as much can be accomplished with commercials of gun-shot survivors talking to the camera, provided their injuries are gruesome enough.

            The anti-smoking commercials with the guy shaving around the hole in his neck, for example.

            "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

            by Bush Bites on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:52:50 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

        •  It should be left to the family members (2+ / 0-)
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          MBNYC, KibbutzAmiad

          What about asking Yoko Ono?

          Would she be willing to talk about John's death and what it has meant to pick up the pieces and go on, and show pictures of what 4 hollow point bullets did to his internal organs? (destroyed them on contact).

          "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

          by LilithGardener on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 06:00:28 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  That could work. ‘Survived By’? (1+ / 0-)
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            KibbutzAmiad

            Biggie’s and Tupac’s  families have been willing to come out before. Rebecca Schaeffer’s fiancé, didn’t he make a movie after? Jennifer Hudson’s family, I can’t remember, were they shot? What family survived Lana Clarkson (Phil Spector’s victim)?
            Not just celebrities’ survivors, of course, but name power to get people to watch.
            A lot of gun deaths are suicides. I know Francis Bean seems to keep to herself, but Kurt Cobain isn’t the only famous gun suicide. Suicide’s hard to talk about though, the “what should I have done?” thing.
            During the million men, million promises press conference, Patrick Stewart did a nine count for the number of seconds between attacks on women. How many is it between shooting deaths in this country? How many between shootings?

            I don't know, popping ideas out. I think it could be something if the right person went for it.

            "Good men don't need rules. Today is not the day to find out why I have so many." Doctor Who

            by evil claims rep on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 11:16:05 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  All Due Respect (1+ / 0-)
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        cybersaur

        ...the next batch of dead schoolchildren is unlikely to be from Newtown.  If it will keep those kids alive then it's worth at least considering regardless of who is or isn't ready for it.

        On the other hand I'm not at all confident it would make any difference anyway.  

        •  since you don't know that (0+ / 0-)

          and since you do know the trauma it would re-inflict on Newtown (yes, it would), the cost/benefit seems pretty clear.

          "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

          by Greg Dworkin on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 09:59:09 AM PDT

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          •  Agreed (0+ / 0-)

            I was just disagreeing with your implied assumption that that trauma would trump in any situation.  IF we thought it MIGHT be effective it would be worth trying in spite of the trauma.  But if we don't think it can work anyway then yes, I agree, the cost/benefit clearly says no.

            •  "But if we don't think it can work anyway" (0+ / 0-)

              yeah, I'm not in favor of "just to do something" action. I want to be smart about it, effective not punitive.

              "Politics is the art of looking for trouble, finding it everywhere, diagnosing it incorrectly and applying the wrong remedies." - Groucho Marx

              by Greg Dworkin on Sun Mar 24, 2013 at 04:40:06 AM PDT

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    •  I don't think the families would go for it. (0+ / 0-)

      And if it were my kid, or wife/sister/mother in the photos, I wouldn't want to do it either.  I'm not sure what good it would do anyway.  The gun-advocates would see it as manipulative and nothing more.

      But the next time there is a mass shooting it would be nice if the execs from gun lobby and the gun makers and ALL anti-gun control members of Congress have to walk through the scene of carnage with their spouses.  Or maybe they should have to take care of the victims who survive but end up in need of 24/7 nurse care, for the rest of their lives.  Of course, there is no hope of that since the National Shooting Sports Foundation (2nd largest gun lobby in America) is in Newtown and they began caterwauling about gun rights within a week of the mass murder by gun in their own town.  

      Several of the first responders in Newtown have quit their jobs since their PTSD is so bad.  They can't work, let alone sleep or function.  It's terrible.

      •  Maybe if they can every come to a point (0+ / 0-)

        where they can speak out.

      •  but you are making my point (0+ / 0-)

        while arguing against it.  Both Egalitare (in the MLK quote) and Faito (in the second paragraph) concede that it may force action on the issue.  Images are more powerful than words as the cases of Emmett Till, Abu Graib, Mi Lai and Fucushima, among others, attest.

        BTW I watched my daughter die at age 7 in a less traumatic but also ultimately preventable way so I am sympathetic to what the parents are going through.  While I wouldn't want the entire country to experience PTSD indefinitely, if releasing a few photos could prevent more needless deaths it would be worth it.

  •  Erick is making a list...checking it twice... (2+ / 0-)
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  •  colorado prison chief shot dead on eve of gun law (8+ / 0-)

    http://www.reuters.com/...

    He was a vocal support of the new Colorado gun control laws.  Assasinated in his doorway.

    I supppose it could be some other motive, being he was a life long prison official, but it is pretty coincidental.

  •  Yep Capehart.......Romney's incompetent campaign (1+ / 0-)
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    skohayes

    was devastating to the Goopers.

  •  Ignatius still wrong. War was "strategic error" (5+ / 0-)

    and a "mistake," he says.

    He never says it was a "lie," or "wrong."

    Resist much, obey little. ~~Edward Abbey, via Walt Whitman

    by willyr on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:01:36 AM PDT

  •  Guns forever... (4+ / 0-)

    If a horror such as the murder of dozens on small children in an idyllic New England town does not move our idiot lawmakers to action on the question of gun, we are doomed to be a nation overrun by deadly firearms forever. It's amazing that we have to engage in such hand-wringing and excruciating bargaining overt even the smallest and most rational common sense steps to combat gun violence like universal background checks. Apparently the NRA endorses the idea of terrorists or other foreign agents intent on doing harm to America being able to purchase military-style weapons, because that's the result of their repetitive righteousness and lobbying against these basic checks.   -  progressive

    •  This is the most depressing result of the ban (4+ / 0-)

      being dropped. Our nation of sheep is already terrorized by those crazy gun havers and it's pretty scary that they have so much control that we don't even get to have the argument about them.

      "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

      by stellaluna on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:35:10 AM PDT

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      •  Talk about your chilling impact on democracy (4+ / 0-)
        On the other side of the issue is Town Councilman Tom Lipinski. "I don't care if there are 400 people carrying guns at our meetings," he said. "It doesn't bother me at all. As long as you don't draw the gun, there's no problem. And if you do pull your gun out, our police chief is right there and he'll be the first person to fire a shot at you. And I will be the second."

        So Councilman Lipinski carries a handgun to the Town Council meetings?

        "When I feel a need to," he said.

        link

        When you are right you cannot be too radical; when you are wrong, you cannot be too conservative. --Martin Luther King Jr.

        by Egalitare on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:47:20 AM PDT

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        •  Sometimes I think I'm willing to let "only the (3+ / 0-)
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          Criminals have guns". The ones I'm beginning to be the most afraid of are the gun worshippers who seem to believe owning guns is part of their identity. Those nuts (the ones who think they need to have a gun everywhere, the ones who accept no limits) are much scarier to me than the supposed criminals who at least have guns for rational -- though criminal, reasons.

          **There is some sarcasm in this comment though I have yet to decide how much

          "Speak the TRUTH, even if your voice shakes."

          by stellaluna on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 06:43:34 AM PDT

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  •  my Dr must suck (0+ / 0-)

    He never asked me if I own a gun. Mostly he does crap like examine me and talk about my health. Hey I wish he would ask me about guns rather than tell me to bend over!

  •  Harry Reid YOU, ARE, Pathetic! (3+ / 0-)
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    Bush Bites, stellaluna, cybersaur

    There is nothing else to say.

    •  He's no LBJ. (0+ / 0-)

      He's not even Dr. Frist.

      "Michael Moore, who was filming a movie about corporate welfare called 'Capitalism: A Love Story,' sought and received incentives."

      by Bush Bites on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:17:52 AM PDT

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    •  Stop blaming Reid (0+ / 0-)

      There were at least 13 Democrats that planned to vote against the Feinstein bill.
      He needed 60 to get it passed.

      “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

      by skohayes on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 06:49:49 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  He's not even trying (0+ / 0-)

        Whether the votes are there or not, the People deserve to have all of the gun legislation brought to the floor for a vote.

        +++ The law is a weapon used to bludgeon us peasants into submission. It is not to be applied to the monied elite.

        by cybersaur on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 08:45:24 AM PDT

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  •  Par for the course (3+ / 0-)
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    LilithGardener, skohayes, Orinoco

    until we stop hearing "facing reelection" before every news report about Congress nothing is going to happen on anything - some of the gun legislation is supported by more than 80% of the population yet will never even see the floor for fear of a miniscule but influential & wealthy group. Clearly the desire to keep one's job is much more powerful than actually doing one's job - it is really defeating and feels like I am the one playing out the definition of insanity. Makes me want to stop giving a shit.

    Organizing is what you do before you do something, so that when you do it, it is not all mixed up. A. A. Milne

    by hulibow on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:28:13 AM PDT

    •  Post the vote on your refrigerator door (0+ / 0-)

      and when the gun lobby driven congress critter is up for re-election, remind yourself, all your neighbors, and a letter to the editor about it. If their desire to keep their job is what drives them, threaten them with a loss of their job.

      We are a democracy, of sorts, but we are not a representative democracy by any stretch of the imagination. Popular opinion is just one factor among many that our congress people and state legislators take into consideration when they do what they do. I guess you could call us a delegatory democracy: we delegate our franchise to elected individuals for a period of years.

      We must be more careful when deciding to whom we delegate that power.

      "The problems of incompetent, corrupt, corporatist government are incompetence, corruption and corporatism, not government." Jerome a Paris

      by Orinoco on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 09:30:05 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

  •  as with every (5+ / 0-)

    issue the right is wrong on, there are two parts to the gun debate:

    1. serious money
    2. insane ideologues

    The former use the latter and the latter are unable to discern this - ignorance and fear motivate them and make them the ideal tools.

    Justice For Will Will spent his brief, courageous life fighting for the rights we all take for granted. Please share his story to support the fight!

    by KibbutzAmiad on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:29:37 AM PDT

  •  so pediatricians (5+ / 0-)

    can ask about window blinds, car seats, and bike helmets but not GUNS??

    Justice For Will Will spent his brief, courageous life fighting for the rights we all take for granted. Please share his story to support the fight!

    by KibbutzAmiad on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:38:07 AM PDT

  •  I want to know how many of the (2+ / 0-)
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    LilithGardener, skohayes

    Senators, Congresspeople, state and local officials who refuse to support common-sense regulation to decrease gun violence proclaim themselves to be "pro life."  

    "Why reasonable people go stark raving mad when anything involving a Negro comes up, is something I don’t pretend to understand." ~ Atticus Finch, "To Kill a Mockingbird"

    by SottoVoce on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 05:53:25 AM PDT

  •  I blame Democrats too, for letting the assault (2+ / 0-)
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    Miggles, arlene

    weapons ban expire in the first place. No one seems to remember that it was because Reagan was shot that inspired people to be reasonable way back when it was first put in place. They could have made it as issue when Bush was the President, but they didn't. They were still trying to make nice back then.

    Good job. Now that half the GOP has invited anyone with a gun to carry them into where Obama is giving a speech and tacitly approved their threats with verbal pot shots of their own, we shouldn't be surprised that this is a huge problem now.

  •  I heard a really aggravating interview (4+ / 0-)
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    skohayes, One Opinion, Orinoco, wonmug

    on NPR last night with Melissa Block talking to Joe Biden. She asked, in my opinion, obnoxious, baiting questions.  Thankfully,  he would not buckle under.

    Like this:

    Block: Well when you say it does save people's lives there has to be some sort of calculus here, right? There has be to be some point where you say, is the number of lives that we save, does that outweigh the burdens and restrictions we put on millions of Americans. How do you draw that conclusion?

    Biden: Tell me what the burden is that you have to buy three clips with 10 rounds versus one clip with 30. The cost is the same. What is the burden? What am I doing to infringe on your constitutional right?

    Here's another exchange:
    Block: You said earlier that you think the vast majority of the people agree with your position on this. The latest numbers I saw from the Pew poll show 83 percent support background checks on private gun sales. But if you look at the assault weapons ban its much narrower. It's 56 percent. A very slim majority.

    Biden: That is a pretty good majority.

    Block: But not the vast majority.

    and she also asked:
    Block: If you can't get the assault weapons ban through the Senate, does that represent a failure on the administration's part, and on your part, as someone who has really spearheaded this effort?
    Feel free to read the whole interview.
    Thanks alot, NPR.

    "Why reasonable people go stark raving mad when anything involving a Negro comes up, is something I don’t pretend to understand." ~ Atticus Finch, "To Kill a Mockingbird"

    by SottoVoce on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 06:03:58 AM PDT

  •  Linda Greenhouse, NYT SCOTUS reporter, (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    skohayes, One Opinion

    has an interesting article today regarding the first same-sex marriage case to come before the court, Baker v. Nelson in 1971.  It was a case of two men in MN applying for a marriage license and having the application denied by the county clerk.  The case, after being rejected by the hierarchy of state courts in Minnesota, finally reached the state's Supreme Court.

    The Minnesota Supreme Court, while acknowledging that the state’s law made no reference to gender in describing marriage, concluded that the law “employs that term as one of common usage, meaning the state of union between persons of the opposite sex,” an implied definition “as old as the Book of Genesis.” Reviewing the couple’s constitutional arguments, the court said: “We are not independently persuaded by these contentions and do not find support for them in any decisions of the United States Supreme Court.”
    The case then was automatically appealed to the U.S. Supreme Court, which at that time was required to take some sort of action.
    On Oct. 10, 1972, it issued a one-sentence decision in Baker v. Nelson: “The appeal is dismissed for want of a substantial federal question.” The ruling was unanimous.

    Dismissal “for want of a substantial federal question” was the formulaic way of saying the equivalent of “there is so little to this case that we don’t even have to bother hearing it.” Such a disposition has been treated by the legal system as not quite a Supreme Court decision but as considerably more than nothing, a judgment on the merits that carries a measure of precedential weight. Consequently, groups opposing same-sex marriage invariably cite Baker v. Nelson today as binding precedent that makes same-sex marriage a constitutional nonstarter, while judges struggle with what, if anything, to make of the old case. The answer, of course, is up to today’s justices.

    Even though the decision in Baker v. Nelson was a formulaic decision that today would amount to refusal to hear the case and therefore upholding the decision of the MN court, opponents of same-sex marriage today are citing this case as precedent in the cases of California's Prop 8 and DOMA, now before the court.  It's an interesting read specifically on why Baker v. Nelson should not be cited as any sort of precedent.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 06:44:04 AM PDT

  •  Paul Broun (GA) has his eye on the Senate seat (0+ / 0-)

    open when Saxby Chambliss retires.
    So, he runs to the right and votes against House leadership:

    Senate seats don’t come up too often, especially in a red state like Georgia, so primaries are contentious. And in this one, all of the candidates are seeking to run to the right of each other. How they vote on important legislation, from their party’s budget to the debt ceiling hike and the sequester, is being closely watched and could be used against them in a primary.

    One of the first signs of trouble was a vote earlier this month on the continuing resolution to keep the government funded beyond March 27. Broun initially told GOP leaders, including Majority Whip Kevin McCarthy (R-Calif.), he was leaning toward supporting the bill.

    But not only did he ultimately vote against the bill, but he also opposed the procedural motion to bring the bill to the floor — a nearly unheard of move by a member of the majority in House politics because it jeopardizes leadership’s control of the floor.

    Read more: http://www.politico.com/...

    We all remember this famous quote from Broun, don't we?
    All that stuff I was taught about evolution, embryology, the Big Bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. And it’s lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior

    “We are not a nation that says ‘don’t ask, don’t tell.’ We are a nation that says ‘out of many, we are one.’” -Barack Obama

    by skohayes on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 06:57:55 AM PDT

  •  I think we are about to have a Caligula moment. (1+ / 0-)
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    wonmug

    Caligula was so ridiculous, so over the top, so non-essential to the everyday lives of well anyone that when he finally lost it no one cared.  It barely registered.

    From the fear-mongering to the manufactured crisises Congress doesn't matter.  They haven't done anything in years except waste our time.

  •  Democrats with no guts...again (0+ / 0-)

    With the majority of Americans agreeing with banning assault weapons, background checks and reduction of magazine sizes, Harry Reid once again backs down. He says he doesn't have the votes.
    Really Harry? How about going on the offensive?!? How about telling the American people hey, YOU want gun control, but your elected officials are afraid of the NRA. They are afraid NOT because there is an election cycle coming up and YOU might not re-elect them. Nope, they're afraid if they vote for it that the NRA will come in and actively work for your representative's defeat.
    The People WANT gun control measures to be taken. The People do not want another Newtown, or Aurora, or Columbine, or...
    When it comes to talking softly and carrying a big stick, Harry Reid can only talk softly.

    Isn’t it ironic to think that man might determine his own future by something so seemingly trivial as the choice of an insect spray. ~ Rachel Carson, Silent Spring ~

    by MA Liberal on Thu Mar 21, 2013 at 07:41:00 AM PDT

  •  Rural and ex-urban voters (0+ / 0-)

    If problem is that democrats predominantly cluster in cities challenge  for progressive and D's is how do we get folks in small towns and the fringes of cities to vote for D's and for progressive issues.   Rural areas of Texas and the south are often desperately poor and benefit from government programs now and would benefit even more with a more robust safety net.

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