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Jerry Sandusky - In His Own Words - Monday, NBC

NBC Today show says it has landed an exclusive interview with convicted child molester and former Penn State football assistant coach Jerry Sandusky.

The morning show says it will air the exclusive interview on Monday, and Sandusky for the first time since going to jail nine months ago will "describe what he says happened on the campus and what he thinks of whistle blower Mike McQueary and the late head coach Joe Paterno.

Sandusky was convicted on 45 of 48 counts of child sex abuse and is in the Greene State Correctional Institute in Waynesburg, Centre County. He is serving a 30-60 year sentence. He is 69 years old.

The Today show conducted the interview in the prison.

Why would we want to hear anything from this man?  Why would we believe ANYTHING this man says?  

The ONLY thing that would be worthy of an interview would be a full taped confession and apology for the young men he so brutally raped.

I closed my eyes and pictured the young man I saw testify last Tuesday. Victim #1-the first one to speak out. The skinny kid from the wrong side of the tracks who did what so many large and powerful people had failed to do-he stopped the monster.

((Descriptions may be triggering))

 I remember his haunting eyes, how small he looked on the witness stand, the way his body shook with sobs as he told the packed courtroom how he was abused, how he hid underneath the pool table and in closets, trying to get away. How he finally told a school counselor, but they didn't believe him.


Count 1: Involuntary deviate sexual intercourse

Guilty.

Count 2: Involuntary deviate sexual intercourse

Guilty.

Count 3: Indecent assault

Guilty.

Count 4: Unlawful contact with minors

Guilty.


Count 5: Corruption of minors

Guilty.


Count 6: Endangering welfare of children

Guilty, as a course of conduct

I let out my breath, which I had been holding the whole time. Guilty, I thought. He's going to prison. Now it's just a question of how long.

And with each subsequent count that was read, I closed my eyes and pictured the victim it applied to.

Victim #2-The little boy who was pinned against the wall of the shower, being raped by Jerry Sandusky. Who looked up and saw a man who was there to save him-"He looked up at me, like he was surprised to see me in there" Mike McQueary said. But then he walked away.


Count 7: Involuntary deviate sexual intercourse

Not Guilty

Count 8: Indecent assault

Guilty.

Count 9: Unlawful contact with minors

Guilty.

Count 10: Corruption of minors

Guilty.

Count 11: Endangering welfare of children

Guilty, as a course of conduct.

Victim #3-The combat veteran who was mentored, then abused, and then abandoned by Jerry Sandusky when he became too old for his liking. "I'm mad" he said. "I'm enraged, I'm hurt ... he could just forget about me like I was nothing after I was sent away."

Count 12: Indecent assault

Guilty.

Count 13: Unlawful contact with minors

Guilty.

Count 14: Corruption of minors

Guilty.

Count 15: Endangering welfare of children

Guilty, as a course of conduct

Victim #4-The 28 year old man who was both a surrogate son and a victim of Jerry Sandusky. I pictured him as the investigators described him when they went to his home-curled up into the fetal position on the end of his couch.

Count 17: Involuntary deviate sexual intercourse

Guilty.

Count 20: Indecent assault

Guilty.

Count 21: Unlawful contact with minors

Guilty.

Count 22: Corruption of minors

Guilty.

Count 23: Endangering welfare of children

Guilty.

Victim #5-The soft spoken young man, who cried-along with his family who were seated in the gallery-as he told the story of the one time he found himself alone with Jerry Sandusky. The terror he felt as he tried to get away from him. "I felt his body on my back. I kept lurching forward but I didn't have anywhere to go."


Count 24: Indecent assault

Not Guilty

Count 25: Unlawful contact with minors

Guilty.

Count 26: Corruption of minors

Guilty.

Count 27: Endangering welfare of children

Guilty, as a course of conduct.

Victim #6-The young man whose mother called University police in 1998 after her son came home with wet hair, who couldn't remember what happened to him after he was lifted into the shower head. Since he was in the courtroom, I looked at him when his verdict was read. He sat with his eyes closed, and appeared to be praying, silently.

Count 28: Indecent assault

Not Guilty

Count 29: Unlawful contact with minors

Guilty.

Count 30: Corruption of minors

Guilty.

Count 31: Endangering welfare of children

Guilty, as a course of conduct.

Victim #7-The young man who was tiny as a little boy-the size of an 8 year old when he was 12. The boy who resisted Sandusky's grooming, and then felt rejected and ostracized by him. I thought I had done something wrong, he said.

Count 32: Criminal attempt to commit indecent assault

Guilty

Count 34: Corruption of minors

Guilty

Count 35: Endangering welfare of children

Guilty, as a course of conduct.

Victim #8-The boy that a Penn State janitor saw being sexually abused in the shower by Jerry Sandusky. I saw him as I pictured him in my mind, as I heard the testimony of Ronald Petrosky. "I saw him take the little boys hand, and then the two of them walked away"

Count 36: Involuntary deviate sexual intercourse

Guilty

Count 37: Involuntary deviate sexual intercourse

Guilty.

Count 38: Unlawful contact with minors

Guilty.

Count 39: Corruption of minors

Guilty.

Count 40: Endangering welfare of children

Guilty, as a course of conduct.

Victim #9-The 18 year old boy who looked so young and vulnerable as he took the stand. Who said he screamed for help when he was getting raped in Jerry Sandusky's basement, but no one ever came. Who said that he bled after his attacks, but took care of it himself. He tried so hard to be tough and get through it alone.

Count 41: Involuntary deviate sexual intercourse

Guilty

Count 42: Involuntary deviate sexual intercourse

Guilty

Count 43: Indecent assault

Guilty

Count 44: Unlawful contact with minors

Guilty

Count 45: Corruption of minors

Guilty

Count 46: Endangering welfare of children

Guilty, as a course of conduct.

(I had been holding it together relatively well, but when this verdict came down I couldn't hold it in. I let out a choked sob that seemed to reverberate through the courtroom, much to my embarrassment.)

Victim #10-The foster kid who was told he would never see his family again if he didn't do what Jerry wanted. He went on to a life of crime, but then got his act together, got married, and is expecting his first child. I pictured him cradling his newborn in his arms, putting his mouth to his ear and whispering softly "I would never hurt you"


Count 47: Involuntary deviate sexual intercourse

Guilty

Count 48: Involuntary deviate sexual intercourse

Guilty

Count 49: Indecent assault

Guilty

Count 50: Unlawful contact with minors

Guilty

Count 51: Corruption of minors

Guilty

Count 52: Endangering welfare of children

Guilty, as a course of conduct.

Guilty.

45 times, said with conviction. Each time, reverberating through the courtroom.

Of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse. Of indecent assault. Of unlawful contact. Of corruption of a minor. Of endangering the welfare of children.

Guilty.

Of preying on the most vulnerable-Children without fathers, in desolate little towns, in foster homes, trailer parks, public housing projects. Children who didn't think they would be heard or believed if they came forward. Each time that word was read, an affirmation.

Guilty.


We saw you.

Guilty.


We heard you.

Guilty.


We believed you.
H/T to Heart of the Rockies
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you can use to e-mail the Today show.
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by Heart of the Rockies on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 11:50:19 AM EDT

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    by Roxine on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 07:55:07 AM PDT

  •  Fuck NBC, Fuck Jerry Sandusky, Fuck them all (77+ / 0-)

    Sorry, I'm a bit triggered right now, so I need to step away for a bit and take a walk.  I sat in that courtroom - I saw those young men testify, saw what Jerry Sandusky's perversion did to them.  

    WHY WOULD WE BELIEVE ANYTHING THIS MAN HAS TO SAY?  

    And why would NBC give him a platform - "In his own words" - it was his "WORDS" that fooled every single person, remember, Clemente's "Nice Guy Offender" - I am so absolutely disgusted that NBC is giving this man a platform - do they even CONSIDER what this might do to the victims?

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    by Roxine on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 08:00:01 AM PDT

  •  "Celebrity Sickos" (32+ / 0-)

    Sure, let's start a new reality series starring the lowest scum on earth. What entertainment!

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    by penguins4peace on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 08:03:05 AM PDT

  •  if they dare to air this, (27+ / 0-)

    will anyone ever watch again?

    have they been informed that this is unspeakable ?

    i am choking.

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    by greenbird on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 08:03:45 AM PDT

    •  MSNBC too, sadly. (7+ / 0-)

      I shudder to think of what Comcast has up its sleeve. If this diary is any indication, a steady drift into garbage programming may be inevitable.

      Bad enough that MSNBCs weekend staple has been unending prison garbage.

      I just had to change the channel from Andrea Mitchell reports, with guest host Chris Cillizza today. There was an extensive interview with Rick Snyder, which was nothing more than a free commercial for his total propaganda about the wonderful success of the emergency managers in Michigan. Nothing he said was fact based, and the interviewer (a woman I'd never seen before) challenged absolutely NOTHING -- simply gave him a platform to spew his right wing talking points.

      Heaven help this country if we lose the solitary TV channel that still is a little bit fact based in presenting political news and commentary. Waiting to see who replaces Ed on weekday evenings...

      The only entitlement that needs reforming is the inbred belief of the 0.1% that they are entitled to 99.9% of the wealth and 100% of the power.

      by flitedocnm on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 10:47:17 AM PDT

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      •  Actually I think MSNBC (3+ / 0-)
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        is getting away from what I call "prison porn" -- Ed Schultz moving to a weekend gig is a good sign. Anything that expands the news block and cuts back on the prison and predator crap is fine with me.

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        by Cali Scribe on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 01:34:49 PM PDT

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    •  People kept watching (1+ / 0-)
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      after their aired the Charles Manson interview. I know they're not identical cases, but I doubt the interview will have a large or lasting affect on NBC.

  •  Who will do the 'interview'? (13+ / 0-)

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    by glorificus on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 08:09:35 AM PDT

  •  Today Show is disgusting. I never (30+ / 0-)

    watch it anymore. This just strengthens my opinion. I heard that  the Today Show is in a ratings war with Good Morning America. They must think that giving air time to a disgusting excuse for a human being like Sandusky will help them win the ratings war. Morality doesn't' t matter to the producers, NBC executives or the poor excuses for on air "personalities" like Matt Lauer.

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    by Tchrldy on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 08:11:37 AM PDT

  •  sick sick sick. can we shut this down? (13+ / 0-)

    are there really enough watchers to make this a profitable segment?

    sometimes I spend more time reading the comments than the diaries. no offense to diarists: thanks for the launch pad.

    by dunnjen on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 08:14:20 AM PDT

  •  Utterly revolting. So let's get busy........ (27+ / 0-)

    Contact NBC and tell them so!!

    Here's the link to NBC:

    http://www.nbcnews.com/...

    Here's the link to The Today Show:

    http://www.today.com

    The phone number for NBC is:

    212-210-1400

    We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

    by The Marti on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 08:24:44 AM PDT

  •  Who's next on the salacious interview couch? (10+ / 0-)

    Charles Manson?

    They're not a serious party anymore. -Kos

    by thenekkidtruth on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 08:26:38 AM PDT

  •  I hurried to get the web and phone numbers up, (22+ / 0-)

    but wanted to add that the very idea of doing an interview with Jerry Sandusky is sickening.  I suppose if there were ratings to be had, NBC would do an interview with the devil, himself.  And brag about it.

    There are some things that are so far beyond the pale, it boggles the mind that any sentient being could think they were a good idea.

    My heart and prayers are with all those whose lives have been shattered by this kind of abuse, and those who are triggered again and again by the wickedness of those who would profit by it.

    And yes, NBC is profiting by it.  They sell advertising during their shows, don't they?  Nice.  

    Another "family values" bunch, making money from the suffering and tragedy of those who were abused.  Classy.

    So.  Please pass the word, and let NBC know what you think of their choice of interview subjects.

    Marti

    We cannot call ourselves a civilised society if we refuse to protect the weakest among us.

    by The Marti on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 08:32:59 AM PDT

    •  They sell advertising during their shows ... (7+ / 0-)

      In addition to expressing your outrage, include in your message to NBC that you (and all of your social media friends) will boycott Today's commercial "sponsors."  In large part, that's what got Glenn Beck off the air.

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      by NoMoJoe on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 10:29:50 AM PDT

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  •  The today show (10+ / 0-)

    is nothing more than a reality show.  It's not news.  It's all about ratings.  Since their ratings sunk into the basement, they are resorting to airing programs that belong on "newspapers" such as the Enquirer.  I stopped watching this show years ago.  They're there to entertain, not inform.

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    by Raggedy Ann on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 08:35:46 AM PDT

  •  sounds great (2+ / 0-)
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    i just hope they do a fashion segment- jerry's tips for dressing to molest. maybe a gossip segment also- who's he molesting now, what other molesters are up to, you know- fun facts about celebrity perverts.

  •  I agree - this is particularly vile pandering... (17+ / 0-)

    and the entire management of the Today Show and its network - I think it's NBC? - should be ashamed of themselves.

    I'm reminded of CNN's sympathy for the 'ruined lives' of the Steubenville rapists, with nary a word for the victim.

    This says a lot about where we've come to as a society, when the microphones and sympathies are reserved for the perpetrators of heinous crimes.

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    by databob on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 08:49:14 AM PDT

  •  sent an email (17+ / 0-)
    I am utterly sickened that you would give Jerry Sandusky one second of air time.

    Even if he was apologizing for what he has done, I would not want to hear it.

    This man is the scum of the earth.  To give him air time will hurt his victims.

    There were many more ready to testify if necessary.

    How can you do this?  Do you think you will gain ratings?  I assure you that this is not the way to do it.

    The media's choosing to protect rapists and cry about them is disgusting.

    Don't bother sending me some robot answer.

    I will never watch your show for any reason, ever.

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    by cfk on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 08:56:27 AM PDT

  •  I'm not shocked (10+ / 0-)

    People still interview Mark David Chapman, as if he had anything valuable to say.  The level of exploitation in today's media is revolting.

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    by alkatt on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 08:57:16 AM PDT

    •  That name (1+ / 0-)
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      should never be mentioned out loud.  

      He wanted "fame".  He should get none.

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      by delphine on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 11:50:40 AM PDT

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      •  Agreed. (0+ / 0-)

        Replace that with "the filthy murderer at the Dakota in December 1980."

        The scene on November 6, midnight: Barack Obama holds up newspaper reading "Romney defeats Obama" as he heads to give his second term acceptance speech.

        by alkatt on Sat Mar 23, 2013 at 11:09:32 PM PDT

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  •  I apologize to all if my comment causes any type (7+ / 0-)

    resentment. I have never been touched by abuse and don't feel these triggers that many of you talk about.

    I have followed the Sandusky scandal since the day it started. I honestly don't believe there has been a single article, report, or interview I haven't seen or read.  What has continued to bother me is how many unanswered questions linger.  I would love to understand how a serial pedophile was capable of adopting 6 children and having the state of Pa. place 20 + children in his home. Were background checks done?  Were their home visits and exit interviews with these poor children?  How did the state approve him starting the very foundation that gave him access to these vulnerable children? Did the grade schools and parents allow him unsupervised access to their children whenever he requested?  Honestly, I've become so much less interested in the Paterno/Penn St part of this story and have tried to focus on those who were trained and educated to see signs of both a pedophile and an abused child.  What truly bothers me it that since Sandusky's abuse became known, the only "fixes" and "responsiblities" assigned have been to a football program. How are the children of Pa. any safer today?  We are still missing something about how this tragedy occurred.  As unlikely as it may be, could it be possible we learn something that may answer how this man fooled so many parents, doctors, trained professionals and co workers?

    •  You expect him to be honest? Really? A man who (17+ / 0-)

      raped young boys for years - you expect him to shed some light on how he got away with it?

      Here's what I expect:

      I expect him to go on TV and say Mike McQueary is a liar
      I expect him to go on TV and say Coach Paterno knew nothing.
      I expect him to go on TV and say these boys are lying, particularly Victim 2 and Victim 6 will be singled out

      I DON'T expect him to apologize for taking away these children's lives - their trust - their childhood innocence.  

      What could he POSSIBLY say that would give you ANY insight into how and why pedophilia goes undetected?  

      They've already prefaced that he will "describe what he says happened on the campus and what he thinks of whistle blower Mike McQueary and the late head coach Joe Paterno."

      Again - WHY WOULD WE BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS?

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      by Roxine on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 09:20:19 AM PDT

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      •  So nothing can be learned? If you were doing the (1+ / 0-)
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        interview, do you believe we could learn something?  Isn't it possible that with the right questions, we can get some unanswered questions resolved?  Or is there nothing more we can learn about this caes, ever.

        •  There's nothing more to be learned *from Sandusky* (12+ / 0-)

          because he is a liar, a man who is in complete denial about his own actions and the horrifying damage he caused to so many people.

          Giving him a platform to spew more lies and attacks on the victims and those who told what they saw is despicable. Disgusting. Beyond belief.

          And furthermore, if you don't understand that football and Sandusky's role as coach at Penn State IS how this happened, that football IS the reason he got away with it for so long and so many people covered for him, then you missed the most basic fact about this story in your reading.

          •  With respect, I disagree, (1+ / 0-)
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            And because so many fail to understand that not seeing Paterno and the football program as the devil incarnate, I will qualify this comment with my absolute hatred and disgust for any person who harms a child.  And any person who suffers abuse has and will continue to be in my prayers. However, I am still not convinced that "football" had everything to do with this abuse.  This serial pedophile, long before he was a famous coach, began adopting children.  The state of Pa. placed 20 + foster children in his home over 20 yrs.  He was investigated only once (that I'm aware--in '98) by police, the AG, and Childrens Services.  Even the flawed Freeh report states that Paterno and Penn St officials played no role influencing the decision to drop the charges.  The fact that abused childrens' schools allowed Sandusky free access bothers me greatly as well.  He (Sandusky) basically lived and worked around those suppossedly best educated and trained to see the signs.  This bothers me greatly.  And remember; it was because of "football" that he was actually caught.  "Football" certainly didn't try to cover for him.  If Penn St and Paterno were truly protecting him, telling so many people what had occurred (including leaders of 2nd mile) is a funny way to cover up something.  I don't expect Sandusky to come out and say, "I did it".  My hope is that a well informed person how child abusers operate handles this interview.  It is my hope that it can shed some light on how this man was able to abuse so many different children from different backgrounds and families for over 20 years and not a teacher, parent, doctor, coworker, police officer, or state social worker ever realized it.  Maybe that's navie', but it is my hope.

            •  What? You've got to be kidding me (1+ / 0-)
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              Football is the reason he was caught? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Ridiculous!! He was finally stopped only because of the brave young men among his many victims who stood up to speak out against him. There is no fucking mystery as to why so many looked the other way, it was because he was a fucking Penn State football coach. You can pretend otherwise all you want but you are wrong.

              My hope is that a well informed person how child abusers operate handles this interview.
              Can you read? This "interview" is being conducted by a man whose ONLY goal for it is proving that poor little old FOOTBALL coach Joe Paterno was innocent of any wrongdoing when he looked the other way and allowed Sandusky to carry on with systematically raping children.

              To imagine that anything remotely useful will come from this interview is not naive, it is willful ignorance. At best.

              •  You are correct in what you say about the man (1+ / 0-)
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                doing the interview, and when this post first went up it didn't mention that.  I left and came back and simply started to respond to comments.  But it was because of a football coach that the AG finally had information to make a case.  They were investigating for over a year before they learned of McQueary.  And I'm still trying to understand what McQueary actually saw and what he actually said.  It has changed a few times.  If he saw a child being raped and walked away, he should be in jail.  If he thought he saw a child being raped and walked away, he should be in jail.  If he was uncomfortable because he saw a man showering with a boy, but never witnessed a rape or abuse, then I'm not sure.  It bothers me that he walked out.  It bothers me that he first went to his dad and the family friend who was a Dr.  And it bothers me that whatever he told his dad and Dr. didn't make them feel the police needed to be called immediately.  McQueary, his dad, the family friend (Dr. Danov), Paterno, Shultz, Curley, Spainer and 2nd Mile officials all reacted exactly the same way after hearing McQueary's account.  It confuses me that each of these educated, seemly intelligent men all reacted the same way and none of them spent any time trying to shut anybody up.  It doesn't make sense. How would covering for a pedophile protect football?  They would all have to have realized they were allowing a pedophile to continue, not to mention risking their freedom and everything they had worked for. And Spainer is a victim of abuse.  I would assume he would have had a special empathy for any child being abused.

                •  Oh come on. Please just stop this. (0+ / 0-)

                  It confuses you, does it?  Why oh why did all these men look the other way and decide to let a big name high profile Penn State football coach get away with it... gee golly wiz, you just cannot imagine.

                  Sickening denial.  

                  •  He was no longer a big name high profile coach. (1+ / 0-)
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                    He was retired in 2001.  It must be nice to know exactly what goes on in others minds especially knowing what we know now.  So, I will continue to say what I believe. And, please know this.  The obsession with Paterno and Penn St. football has allowed the real reasons and those most responsible remain hidden.  As I said before, In the 2 yrs since this broke, the only punishments and fixes have occurred to a football team.  Nothing in Pa. has changed on how background checks, home visits, exit interviews and reporting responsibilities should occur.  While you might feel good about how Penn St/Paterno have been treated, just know that the root causes for how these children were allowed to be with and live with a serial pedophile still exist.  It would be like saying, "if we shut down Stuebenville Football, no more young women will be raped".  You have missed the point.  I will leave now because I know how this usually ends.  With me being called a blind loyalists who doesn't care about child abuse.

                    •  How Penn State and Joe Paterno were treated? (1+ / 0-)
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                      Very revealing, and clear that you priorities are seriously messed up. You might try caring about how the victims were treated, if you don't want people to think you are a blind loyalist who doesn't care about child RAPE, because you sure do sound that way.  

                      Of course the root cause still exists: the privileged status of men in powerful positions. No one ever said punishing Penn State football for their complicity and coverup for Sandusky would stop all rape or abuse. That doesn't mean we ignore what they did. That's supremely stupid. Or do you think we should just not arrest or punish any criminals? Will arresting and punishing an armed robber or a murdered stop all robbery and murder? Nope, so fuck it I guess. Forget prosecuting any of them, eh?

                      The Stubenville rapists were star football players, and their disgusting 'rape crew' was allowed to flourish and encouraged by their football coach. Their victim was the target of further abuse for even reporting them because the town loves their fucking football team. That was yet another prime example of how football culture fosters and encourages violence, abuse, rape, and an attitude of "I can do anything I want with no consequences, because I play football." See OJ Simpson. See Michael Vick, who got a tiny slap on the wrist and then went back to being a huge football star, after torturing and murdering innocent animals with his bare hands for fun and profit; but who cares, man, he can really handle a football! I could go on and on about the violence and abusive behavior that athletes in general and football players in particular get away with, and why they obviously believe they are above any consequences for their actions, because they are usually right. That needs to stop.

                      Yes I would love to see that Stubenville team shut down entirely, and that coach/rape enabler in prison too. Maybe he will be, once the Grand Jury is done with their work. No it won't stop all rapes, obviously, but footballers need to know that they are not immune, they are not gods who can get away with anything and everything. I used to sort of like watching football once upon a time. Now I find it an utterly disgusting sport.

                    •  not no more, but most likely fewer (2+ / 0-)
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                      And how do you know nothing in PA has changed to protect children?

                      Everything I've read about this case, leads me to suspect a huge pedophilia ring that probably includes, football, their donors, politicians, and the children's charities.  Too much looking the other way for too long, too much money involved, too much covering up.   The victims didn't stand a chance.

            •  Jerry Sandusky's dad was "a pillar of the (1+ / 0-)
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              community" type.   From Wikipedia (just because I don't have the energy to look further and don't think your apologia worth worth more effort)

              His father Arthur served in the field of youth service programs for over 30 years, mostly as director of the Brownson House in Washington, Pennsylvania, a community recreation center for children.[13][13] There, he founded the Pennsylvania Junior Wrestling program and created junior basketball, volleyball, boxing and football programs for the Brownson House. He improved the facilities there by adding a new playground, gym, outdoor basketball court, and a renovated football field. He managed the 1955 Washington baseball team that won the Pony League World Series championship, the only team from Washington to win that championship. Arthur was inducted into the Pennsylvania Sports Hall of Fame in 1989.[13]
              You think none of that glory rubbed off on ol' Jer? You think none of that opened doors for him or caused people to see only what they want to see? Especially in small-town America? He was a "golden boy" even before he became a coach.  That's how so many looked the other way, supposedly trained or not.
        •  I'd say that (18+ / 0-)

          it's one thing if a professional mental health researcher or psychologist who studies criminal behavior interviewed Sandusky to find out what went so wrong and how. That could be useful information to help stop this kind of abuse in the future.

          It's quite another thing for a quasi-news-infotainment program to do it on national tv. And I don't expect the kind of questions he gets asked by the Today Show are going to be the ones that lead to any illumination on how someone gets this sick and gets away from it. I mean, seriously, what's the segue going to be? "Jerry Sandusky continues to deny raping children. Then Shakira!"

          So yes, we can learn something from these cases, but not by a Matt freaking Lauer piece on the Today Show.

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          by zaynabou on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 09:58:45 AM PDT

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        •  You can't on one hand use the Jim Clemente report (17+ / 0-)

          to say "see - he was a master manipulator and fooled everyone" thereby exonerating Curley, Schultz, Spanier and Paterno

          And then on the other hand, have John Zielger interview this same "master manipulator" and get him to say (as I truly believe he will) that

          1.  Joe Paterno knew nothing about nothing (shouldn't that be Schultz? - sorry gallows humor)
          2.  Mike McQueary lied/didn't see/hell maybe joined them in the shower, who the f knows
          3.  The vicitms are lying and he was just "horsing around" with those kids in the shower.

          oh and 4.  The victims are lying to get money.

          That's what I see happening.  

          Ziegler is trying to drum up enough Penn State money to produce a documentary on the framing of Joe Paterno.  Ziegler did the interview.  Ziegler will be at the Today Show.  I'm assuming he's not super excited because Jerry said anything but something similar to the above...

          And NOW - because Jerry Sandusky says something some might like, no longer is a "master manipulator" - NOW he is truthful?

          Either we believe the Clemente report, or we don't

          From Clemente's report:

          First, Jerry Sandusky is a rightfully convicted preferential child sex offender (PSO)3 who is guilty of numerous serious and repeated sex crimes against a number of boys. As I will explain, Sandusky is a skilled and masterful manipulator, and in my expert opinion, he is in the top one percent of effective "groomers." (Page 3)

          Based on my expertise in this area, I believe there are likely far more prior victims, similar to Matt Sandusky, who have not yet come forward. See Sara Ganim, Matt Sandusky says he, too, was abused by his adoptive father, The Patriot-News, June 22, 2012; Michael Isikoff, Matt Sandusky details alleged sex abuse by his father, NBC News, June 26, 2012. (Page 3 footnote)

          "he was caught in the act  though cleared at the time of what turned out to be grooming and sexually assaulting children in the showers in 1998, yet he still did the same thing in the same place again in 2001. Sandusky was able to deceive his way out of it." (Page 9)

          This is the reason that even after being convicted on 45 counts, and facing life in prison, Sandusky proclaimed his innocence on the radio and to the sentencing judge. Sandusky knows that he committed sex crimes against many boys, but in his twisted mind he attempts to continue his grooming of the community by trying to validate those crimes as an expression of love. This is why Sandusky says "they can make me out to be a monster . . . I know I did not do these alleged, disgusting acts." In his mind, molesting is not monstrous, and what he did with the boys was not disgusting because he actually "loved" the boys. (page 13)

          It is clear that Sandusky knew he was committing sex crimes against children because he consistently hid his behavior over decades. (Footnote, p. 13)

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          by Roxine on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 10:03:47 AM PDT

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        •  The man doesn't believe he (6+ / 0-)

          did anything wrong!

          He seems completely dumbfounded that he was found guilty.  

          There is no way he will say anything edifying.

          And there is no way he can explain why the system didn't stop him.

          If you want to know that, interview representatives of the system who should have stepped in.  

          All he is going to say is that he's a nice guy, loved these kids, blah blah.  Everyone else is a liar.  

          The man is sick.  He thinks rape is an expression of his love for these boys.  He can't even fathom what happened to him, such is his sick delusion.

          You'll get nothing from him.

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          by delphine on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 11:53:46 AM PDT

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    •  taffers I agree. (11+ / 0-)

      I am much along the same lines. There was a failure here of massive proportions to detect Sandusky by multitudes of organizations, including ones (police, CYS, etc) who are specifically trained to detect such things.

      That the media and public have made this about Joe Paterno and PSU football (a miniscule part of this) has turned the entire tragedy into a one-of-a-kind spectacle, in that it makes it extraordinary. It changes the systemic failure of many institutions into a spectacular failure of just one.

      And that's simply not the case, in this one, or in any in real life. When the story is tuned to the frequncy of "oh, that one time when that one big name coach or university screwed up", then it's easy for everyone to think it can't happen in your own town, in your own college, in your own family.

      There's been grievous errors by many people in allowing Sandusky to do what he did, probably least of which was what PSU failed to do, and yet Penn State has received 99% of the attention. I've seen very little shrift given to the local police, state police investigators, educators, parents, CYS, and anyone working at the Second Mile, why Corbett dragged his feet for years, etc, in all of this. If anyone wants to make real change to prevent real abuse from happening again, we have to look at where those places failed. Right or wrong, PSU has had it's time in the stockade and strong policies will be implemented there to prevent things there. But what about everywhere else? Where's the outrage? Where's the accountability? Is there nothing to be done to improve those environments? That's a tragedy waiting to happen there...

      Focus from day one in this entire thing has been in the wrong place. Number one, it should be on the victims. Number two, it should be an ALL-encompassing look at the myriad of environments and failures that allowed the abuse to take place, not just one place. As soon as we compartmentalize abuse to happening in just one place or just because of the actions or inactions of a few individuals, we allow it to happen again.

      Anyways, that all being said, Sandusky is a serial psycopath and liar, giving him a platform like network TV to talk is worthless. Experts should be talking to him to create and round out the profile of a mastermind pedophile that fooled dozens (hundreds?) of people, not fame-seeking hounds.

      •  Penn state gets the attention because (2+ / 0-)
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        his position at Penn State allowed him to get away with it.

      •  I appreciate your comment, and you may be (3+ / 0-)
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        correct.  Sandusky will probably not bring much new to this entire ordeal.  But I still find so many of the real questions unanswered to this entire scandal.  I am so desperate to understand how this serial pedophile was allowed to operate under the very eyes of those best trained.  I read the Clemente report and it did help understand some of Sandusky's methods.  But I still can't get around the fact that even though there has been talk of changes in Pa.'s social services, none have yet to be implemeted.  Why?  Why were those trained to catch this behavior and entrusted to protect children so completely left "off the hook".  All the vacated wins and bowl bans and reduced scholarships haven't protected one child in Pa.

    •  You are not going to get those answers from (4+ / 0-)
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      Sandusky.

      Years ago, I worked for a wonderful not-for-profit child and family services agency.  They were a top notch place, doing everything to always be using and looking for best practices.

      At one of their annual dinners, an award was given annually to foster family of the year.  don't ya know, a couple years after receiving this award, it is discovered that a dad in one award winning family had been raping young female foster children for many years.  I can't recall how many had gone there - at least half a dozen, but I think more.  

      Of course background checks were done BUT if noone ever came forward to CPS or the police, there will be nothing to find there.  The guy was of course a 'prominent, upstanding member of the community.'

      Sandusky and others like him are very good at what they do - knowing how to handle young kids and put the fear of God into them if they go to anyone, letting them know  what will supposedly happen to them for doing so.

      It really is not that complicated to understand what happened here.  Sandusky hid everything well and people that saw some sign filtered it out against all they knew about him being such a great guy.

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      by MRA NY on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 01:39:25 PM PDT

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  •  SICK (3+ / 0-)
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    and this will be the topic of discussion on msm for weeks to come.

  •  Pathetic (11+ / 0-)

    Maybe they'll have Sandusky and the Ohio Rape Crew on together soon so they can talk about how all those pesky victims ruined their lives and careers.

    ... What is wrong with the "news" today?  Oh ya, USA doesn't have any news.  Even if we had real investigative journalism, Sandusky doesn't need to be aired on tv.  Keep him in his cell till he he's dust.

    I can't fathom why anyone would watch this shit.  

    People want to find out what makes these serial child rapists tick than let scientists or whatever talk to them... don't give the monsters a platform.

    ((((Roxine)))))  thank you.  I know it's hard what with all these stories and such but thank you for continuing to speak out against this violence and abuse.  xoxo.

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    by Damnit Janet on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 09:31:41 AM PDT

  •  Agree. Sandusky is supposed to be rotting in (11+ / 0-)

    jail in disgrace, not being treated to nationally televised interviews.

  •  What else do you expect from a network (7+ / 0-)

    that refuses to kick Trump off the air.  In fact, I see they are promoting his new train wreck "Celebrity Apprentice" season pretty heavily.

    There are some people who simply do not deserve platforms to spew their hatred, perversion, criminality, etc. - and Jerry Sandusky is one such person.

    It is done. Four More Years.

    by mconvente on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 09:47:23 AM PDT

  •  Changed it to "Action Diary" hoping to get more (12+ / 0-)

    people to write to NBC.  

    I think we (and others) really made an impact in the Steubenville CNN Rape apologists story and think we can do something here as well.

    Please ask everyone you know to write to NBC and tell them to STOP THIS.

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    by Roxine on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 09:50:18 AM PDT

  •  Sent this to NBC: (17+ / 0-)

    I am beyond dismayed to see that you are giving Jerry Sandusky a platform on national television. He is a pedophile, a child rapist, and has had his day in court and been found guilty. There is no reason to hear from this man ever, again, and certainly NOT on national television. When rape victims talk about being re-assaulted, this is the kind of thing they mean. Is your ratings battle with GMA really enough for you to sell whatever is left of your souls?

    "No one has the right to spend their life without being offended." Philip Pullman

    by zaynabou on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 10:02:45 AM PDT

  •  May I suggest (7+ / 0-)

    that we also communicate our outrage to our local affiliate of NBC.  Perhaps the locals will pressure the network to kill this program.

    We can have democracy in this country, or we can have wealth concentrated in the hands of a few, but we can't have both. Louis Brandeis

    by Ohkwai on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 10:17:04 AM PDT

  •  I've hated NBC ever since they cancelled (4+ / 0-)
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    I Dream of Jeannie!

  •  Here's my email to NBC: (17+ / 0-)
    I just learned that you are planning to air an interview with Jerry Sandusky. Have you given a moment's thought to the effect on the victims and on their family members to see this monster again? Please reconsider this. What could be gained by hearing the thoughts (and why would anyone believe a word that comes from his putrid mouth?) of a man convicted 45 times of involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, indecent assault, unlawful contact, corruption of a minor, and endangering the welfare of children.  Forty-five convictions.  This qualifies him to be an interview subject on the Today show?  What in God's name could possibly disqualify someone from being on your show? This puts NBC at the bottom of the cess pool of tabloidism.  Despicably irresponsible.  I hope you get bombarded with righteous anger.
  •  Just posted from John Ziegler (I haven't even read (8+ / 0-)

    all of it)  but here we go:

    An Open Letter to the News Media: How to Do a Hit Piece on John ZieglerSubmitted by jzadmin on Tue, 03/19/2013 - 21:56
    Dear Media:

    I know you guys better than I even know myself. Therefore, I would like to give you some advice as you decide how to cover/destroy me as we soon release portions of our recent news-making interview with Jerry Sandusky and I am scheduled to appear live on the Today Show this Monday with Matt Lauer.

    I know that your first inclination will be to try and ignore me (I'm talking to you ESPN) as most of you have done since we here at www.FramingPaterno.com started correcting your many mistakes on the coverage of the Sandusky scandal. Many of you will continue, since you have no interest in finding out the real truth of this matter and might even be smart enough to realize you are in the process of being humiliated, to take that route now.

    However, others of you are likely not going to be able to resist the temptation to attempt to destroy what we are doing out of sport, self interest, or both. Heck, Deadspin.com, which I am sure will be chomping at the bit for this opportunity to display their special brand of "journalism," already planned a hit piece for me a while back before I exposed it.

    For those of you in this latter category here are your possible options in the order that they will likely occur to you.

    Pretend that we have discovered nothing new.

    This will be difficult thanks to what will be very specific and significant revelations from our Sandusky interview which now allow a story to be told which doesn’t remotely fit your narrative, but I know you will instinctively want to try to go in this direction (heck, it worked pretty well with the Paterno report). This tactic will not be very effective.

    Claim that I am supporting Jerry Sandusky or that this was a softball interview.

    I realize that the fact that this charge is completely false on both counts won’t matter much to you, so it will certainly be enticing. In case do you care, I made it very clear to everyone here, including Sandusky, that I am not supportive of him and some of my questions of him were actually much tougher than any he has ever faced. But I am sure you won’t need to see all of the three and half hours before you come to such a false conclusion.

    Claim that I have done something outrageous by identifying a key person in this story for the first time

    That tactic would be particularly ridiculous as this person already "outed" themselves very publicly on this story, it just that you all were either too lazy or stupid to realize it.

    Claim that I have not correctly identified this person or say that it doesn’t matter.

    This would be a really bad idea. You would be playing on my turf on subjects I know infinitely more about than you do. Please try this one. Especially you guys at Deadspin. I would LOVE to get into a debate over my level of proof compared to what you used to break the Manti Te'o dead girlfriend story. Please go here.

    John Ziegler is also defending the coach in the Steubenville case so he is insensitive to rape victims

    While absurd, I can certainly seeing you trying this one, especially since the media's rush to misjudgment is so similar in both cases. The truth is (I know, you don't normally care about that) that I wrote a book about the Steubenville coach after spending the entire calendar year of 1993 with his team and have been advising him for the past several months on how to handle the media firestorm which I knew, largely because of my experience with the Penn State case, was coming his way. I am at least as certain that Reno Saccoccia was not culpable in the crimes of his players as I am in Joe Paterno's lack of blame in those of his former assistant coach Jerry Sandusky. As for insensitivity to rape victims, such a charge is so baseless it doesn't deserve a response.

    John Ziegler is not to be believed because he is not a celebrity and only runs a website.

    Now, this is more like it. I realize that in your world not being a celebrity is probably as great an offense as one can commit. I plead guilty as charged. The reality is that my disdain/distrust of celebrity is why I was able to see that the story you all were telling here was not to be trusted and probably bogus. Remember though, if you kill me off, an actual celebrity may pick up the ball and run with it.

    John Ziegler is not credible because his website name "Framing Paterno" shows he is biased

    I really like this one because of the hilarious absurdity of tortured logic it creates. Let me get this straight; so you guys, acting in unprecedented unison, create an almost totally false narrative for a year and a half and the only people who are allowed to bring new information to the table are those who were part of the original lynch mob?  So how is it exactly that someone who didn’t have strong suspicions that an injustice had been done here would have the passion and the energy to spend almost a full year pursuing the real truth for no compensation? So basically, under these “rules” it would be impossible for anyone to be deemed “credible” on the other side of this story. For the record, please ask Scott Paterno about how biased he thinks I am towards him.

    "Framing Paterno" is a conspiracy theory

    As I have said many time, including at the top of our webpage, the term "framing" is meant figuratively, not literally. Hopefully some of you can comprehend the distinction there.

    John Ziegler is doing this for money and is using the victims for profit

    Please tell this one to my wife. It might make her a little less ticked off at me for having put her through this for most of the past year. The reality (as if that matters to you) is that, other than some frequent flier miles, I have not made a dime off of this project and I turned down the chance to be paid for the contents of this interview.

    John Ziegler betrayed Sarah Palin after being her champion, so he is not to be trusted

    This might take a little too much research and imagination (two things I know you hate) for you to come up with on your own, but I figured I would throw it out there for you. The fact is that I was the best advocate/advisor Sarah Palin ever had and if she had listened to me she would be in an exponentially better position today than she currently is. When she made it clear to me she had sold out for fame and fortune, I, against my own self interest and costing myself an awful lot of money, exposed her for having done so. A remotely accurate look at my relationship with Sarah Palin will actually bolster my credibility more than an examination of just about anything else I have ever done.

    John Ziegler got fired in radio lots of times for saying things which seem outrageous

    This is actually true. It is totally and completely irrelevant to the findings of my findings on the Sandusky scandal and whether Joe Paterno was railroaded by you, but yes, this charge is mostly true. Now, not that you care, but you will have to take the things I said totally out of context and leave out important facts in order to make me look really bad, but I am quite sure this will not stop you. Go for it. It will be a sure sign that you have waved the white flag when it comes to defending your many mistakes on the false Joe Paterno narrative you created.

    John Ziegler once got sued for defamation because he talked badly about an ex-girlfriend on air

    This one, while also completely irrelevant, I am sure will be hard to resist, especially if you decide to leave out important facts like: It was ten years ago, contrary to popular belief I wasn’t remotely graphic when discussing her, I apologized on the air, I was rehired/promoted by the same company in a much large market three months later, and I won the defamation suit at trial on a unanimous verdict by a mostly female jury in one of the proudest moments of my life. Have fun.

    John Ziegler was insensitive when famous author David Foster Wallace killed himself

    A few years after David Foster Wallace shadowed me for a few months to write a bizarre and highly inaccurate 23-page cover story on me for Atlantic magazine, he committed suicide. I wrote that I thought he did this because he knew he could not live up to the “genius” label he was being given in the literary community and decided to off himself before he was exposed as a fraud. I suppose this was insensitive, but I still think it was true. Good luck trying to make that relevant to why you incorrectly reported thousands of times that Mike McQueary witnessed a rape and told Joe Paterno about it.

    Critically examine the findings the interview in a serious, open-minded , and truth-seeking fashion

    HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!! I’m sorry. I forgot. You guys don’t do things like that anymore. Well, thankfully you have plenty of other options.

    Good luck!

    Sincerely,

    John Ziegler

    P.S. I know that it is not your style to actually ask for comment before doing stories on someone who want to destroy, but should you decide to pretend to be at least remotely fair, please feel free to make inquires through the email gwprmike@gmail.com
    .

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    by Roxine on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 10:30:15 AM PDT

    •  Any idea what he's going on about here? (1+ / 0-)
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      Claim that I have done something outrageous by identifying a key person in this story for the first time

      That tactic would be particularly ridiculous as this person already "outed" themselves very publicly on this story, it just that you all were either too lazy or stupid to realize it.

      Claim that I have not correctly identified this person or say that it doesn’t matter.

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      by Catte Nappe on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 10:40:17 AM PDT

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      •  I can only guess that they're going to talk about (2+ / 0-)
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        by Roxine on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 10:45:46 AM PDT

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        •  More from Ziegler (5+ / 0-)
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          I am well aware that there is a lot of speculation (and more than a little bed wetting) about my scheduled appearance Monday on the Today Show to discuss my recent interview with Jerry Sandusky. First of all, NBC messed up the promotion and Sandusky will NOT be on the show. I will be in control of what clips from the interview get played and, hopefully the direction of the conversation. The purpose here is to bring out new information helpful to the exoneration of Joe Paterno and Penn State. I am well aware that the news media will attack me for this and I have written this helpful (tounge in cheek) guide to explain to them how best to do so. Please be patient and do not panic. The truth is my only objective here and I believe we have a unique chance to share that truth with an audience that has never been exposed to it. Thank you for your support.

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          by Roxine on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 10:53:02 AM PDT

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          •  Wow - biting the hand that feeds him (2+ / 0-)
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            First of all, NBC messed up the promotion and Sandusky will NOT be on the show. I will be in control of what clips from the interview get played and, hopefully the direction of the conversation.
            NBC isn't running those promos by mistake - they think they are getting a Sandusky interview.  

            "No one life is more important than another. No one voice is more valid than another. Each life is a treasure. Each voice deserves to be heard." Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse & Onomastic

            by Catte Nappe on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 11:00:01 AM PDT

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    •  wow this guy is an asshole of the first degree (7+ / 0-)

      seems he's really dedicated a large part of his career to defending a lot of men who were convicted of crimes involving physical/sexual/emotional abuse of women and children.

      I hope the reaction from the general public overwhelms NBC and this guy is shown to be the shyster he is. ("I have secret knowledge of the framing of XYZ, but I won't tell anyone unless you watch my show" is a come-on for higher ratings, not a bold expose of injustice or powerful people escaping punishment and social shunning).

      I wrote to the TODAY show - here's a bit of it:

      Why are you advertising an interview with convicted child rapist Jerry Sandusky? Why do you think that the viewers of TODAY would enjoy such an interview? Are you also interviewing the victims of his crimes? Their families? Their therapists? The law enforcement officials who did, finally bring this criminal to justice? Have you considered what impact even the advertising of this interview will have on the survivors? That it can cause great distress to other people who experienced sexual abuse as children?

      I grew up watching the TODAY show, I still watch it when my schedule allows, but I won't be watching on Monday, and will switch my morning entertainment and news habit  to another network since your company seems to value sensationalism above service and respect for your audience.

      And yeah, FcK Joe Pa, and PSU and oh-so-wrongly named 'Happy Valley' residents who think that what happened to these young boys should in no way diminish Joe Paterno's legacy. He knew that JS was doing something wrong, that's obvious, and he didn't do the Right Thing, he did the expedient thing, and children, their families and friends suffered because of his inaction.

      "We have two parties in this country right now. One party is a center-right party that believes that it is unseemly to let old people die in the streets. And the other party is insane." Charles P Pierce

      by NMRed on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 10:48:34 AM PDT

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    •  for fuck's sake (2+ / 0-)
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      I already thought that John Ziegler was a serious contender for biggest goddamn asshole alive, but realizing it's him sticking his nose into the Penn State story is entirely too much. He is such a fucking maniac.

      If NBC goes thru with this, they are nuts. Ziegler is a lightning rod all by himself (regardless of the subject matter).

      (For the curious, here is the article David Foster Wallace wrote about him in 2005, which is how I first heard of this chucklehead. DFW nails him to the fucking wall, in his oblique way, and Ziegler has been crying about it ever since. What he says about Wallace's suicide is par for the course.)

      If you get a chance, you should definitely update the diary with the mention of Ziegler's involvement.

    •  Oh, Poor John Ziegler, he's such a martyr! Waah! (0+ / 0-)

      What a lot of self-important bullshit.  What a creep he is!

  •  Sent a note and posted to my FB feed. (7+ / 0-)

    Although I have a slightly different take on this, and so may NBC.  

    You see, they've probably seen the John Zieglar piece and may have found it way more unhelpful than the delusional Jerry Sandusky and his legal defense team from Mars (because every other defense team on Earth would tell Jer to STFU.)

    So in the end, airing it might just kill dead any chance old Jer has to raise more money for an appeal and it might kill an appeal altogether.

    HOWEVER....

    It's a gamble and it comes at the expense of the victims.  

    I watched Bob Costas' live, impromptu interview with Jerry Sandusky on Rock Center.  My jaw dropped to the floor and I grabbed my husband to come see it.  I could tell at that very moment that Jerry just set fire to his whole defense.  It was very bad.  Thing is, he and his lawyer didn't see the damage they did!

    Delusional!

    But that's all I needed.  I have a visceral reaction to Sandusky and it isn't a good one.  I don't ever need to see that nervous smile or hear that sniveling, high-pitched, too soft voice again.  My desire to keep my food down and keep my eye teeth from throbbing in pain exceeds any curiosity I might have.  

  •  20/20 is also (5+ / 0-)
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    trying to support rapists some more with an interview they are flogging on commercials.

    "Til you're so fucking crazy you can't follow their rules" John Lennon - Working Class Hero

    by Horace Boothroyd III on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 10:43:39 AM PDT

  •  Thanks for your work on this Roxine... (8+ / 0-)

    I know it cannot be easy. I sent a little note to NBC and I agree with you completly...Fuck 'em!

  •  ((((Roxine)))) (6+ / 0-)

    You continue to amaze me, with all you have been through, to continue to be the voice of reason and action against these perverts. I applaud you! Standing ovation! I sent a very angry email and will call later when I can stop spitting when I speak through the anger. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.
    Peace and Blessings!

    United we the people stand, divided we the people fall.

    by Penny GC on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 10:49:27 AM PDT

  •  Sent email. Color me disgusted....n/t (6+ / 0-)

    "A weed is a plant whose virtues have not yet been discovered." Ralph Waldo Emerson

    by Yo Bubba on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 10:55:43 AM PDT

  •  they are doing this for one reason (6+ / 0-)

    and one reason only:

    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    They know it will generate "controversey" and more importantly, viewers, including many who will be furious that it is being broadcast.

    They are betting that the increase in ratings will not be outweighed by any long term decrease in viewers.

  •  STUPID sells - even on so-called TV news. (3+ / 0-)
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    How sick that TV ratings get a boost when the news shows resort to tabloid journalism by concentrating on the stupid things that famous people say and do.

    Newton Minnow was right in 1961, when addressing the National Assn of Broadcasters on  "Television and the Public Interest":

    When television is good, nothing — not the theater, not the magazines or newspapers — nothing is better.

    But when television is bad, nothing is worse. I invite each of you to sit down in front of your own television set when your station goes on the air and stay there, for a day, without a book, without a magazine, without a newspaper, without a profit and loss sheet or a rating book to distract you. Keep your eyes glued to that set until the station signs off. I can assure you that what you will observe is a vast wasteland.

    *Austerity is the opposite of Prosperity*

    by josmndsn on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 11:04:11 AM PDT

  •  He's probably getting paid for the interview (3+ / 0-)
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    Big bucks.  

    He's a jock football coach, about as close to royality as we have in America.  He may be a Liege Lord convicted of diddling boys, but he's still a Lord to many Americans.  

    At least he's in prison, unlike the jock "rape crew" who will be out in a year or so.  Even here in America it seems there are lines that can be crossed.

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 11:08:44 AM PDT

  •  I emailed NBC (6+ / 0-)

    I hope they get a deluge of complaints about this.

  •  Just e-mailed the Today show and asked (5+ / 0-)
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    why they would air a convicted pedophile's interview, what about the victims, and why do we live in a society where victims are victimized over and over again because of crap shows like theirs.

    "They love the founding fathers so much they will destroy everything they created and remake it in Rush Limbaughs image." MinistryofTruth, 9/29/11

    by AnnieR on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 11:34:39 AM PDT

  •  Oh, this is SO fucking telling... (9+ / 0-)

    "describe what he says happened on the campus and what he thinks of whistle blower Mike McQueary and the late head coach Joe Paterno."

    For those who have been fortunate enough to NOT have any encounters with the Paterno/PSU cultists, this is what they are hanging their hat on-Discrediting Mike McQueary, and denying the fact that there was EVER a rape in the 2001 incident. Seriously. Just a little glimpse into the kind of pathology we are dealing with here (may be triggering)

    Like seriously, this is how absurd and grotesque it gets, I have to spell it out and offer to draw them freaking diagrams:

    To which the response is...

    My response:

    He ignored that. Still arguing that this rape was "impossible" to this day, as they all are. I'm sure Sandusky will do the same. It makes me SICK.

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    by SwedishJewfish on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 11:43:22 AM PDT

  •  Invitation to House of LIGHTS (6+ / 0-)

    (Loving Inspiration, Giving Hope To Survivors)

    A place for survivors of physical, sexual, psychological, and emotional abuse, assaults, and bullying.

    A place for the people who support them.

    A quiet place for all voices to be heard.

    A safe place where we can learn to educate, support, and protect our children and each other.

    If you would like to join House of LIGHTS, please let us know.

    The core of the House of LIGHTS is our frank, supportive, and private group discussions. Once you join, we will send you an invitation to participate in the group kosmail ("Editor" status), but you must check your DK messages regularly. (DK4 groupmails do not announce themselves in your Welcome Back box.)

    [Trigger Warning] If you have been raped or abused and have never talked about it, we encourage you to call the RAINN Hotline at 1.800.656.HOPE. (Rape, Abuse, & Incest National Network.)


  •  This one: (10+ / 0-)
    Victim #2-The little boy who was pinned against the wall of the shower, being raped by Jerry Sandusky. Who looked up and saw a man who was there to save him-"He looked up at me, like he was surprised to see me in there" Mike McQueary said. But then he walked away.
    Makes me more crazy than the rest make me crazy.

    Mike McQueary deserves to be in prison too.

    What kind of human being witnesses a child being raped and just walks away?  A dirtbag, in my book.

    He deserves to be locked away and shamed when he gets out. Coward.

    "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

    by YucatanMan on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 12:32:29 PM PDT

  •  NBC - Anything for a buck. (2+ / 0-)
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    Nothing's too low if there's profit to be made.

    Maybe an outpouring of anger will help them work that equation again.

    Shame and decency don't seem to be able to do it.


    The Fail will continue until actual torches and pitchforks are set in motion. - Pangolin@kunstler.com

    by No one gets out alive on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 12:33:19 PM PDT

  •  Sent an email (2+ / 0-)
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    Checking to see if they have a Facebook page too.

  •  My comment to The Today Show: (6+ / 0-)
    I have heard that you plan to air an interview with Jerry Sandusky on Monday. This pains and disturbs me deeply; there is no need to give this man a platform to continue his deceptions, and this interview will likely be harmful to his victims' efforts to heal from the damage he caused over several years.

    I ask you to please reconsider.

    Mr. Scribe's comment: "Screw NBC."

    That's why I do the letter writing in the family.

    ;-)

    There's only one rule that I know of, babies -- goddammit, you've got to be kind. -- Kurt Vonnegut

    by Cali Scribe on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 01:29:52 PM PDT

  •  Done. Thank you for the info and link. (4+ / 0-)
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    Can you please tell the public why you are giving a platform to serial child rapist Jerry Sandusky to whine about the grave injustice he has had to suffer? I hope as he whines and justifies himself and tells the world what he thinks of Mike McQueary, you will fade him away from time to time and bring to the foreground the accounts at trial of the boys he groomed and then sodomized; the boys he conned into trusting him, then raped until they bled from their anus; the boys he enticed with material surrounding they could never enjoy in their poverty, then pinned down and ass-fucked until they tried screaming, hiding under pool tables, anything to be rescued.

    You could instead interview sociologists, therapists, counselors, lawyers, etc., on the prevalence of male rape, its effects on the victims according to their age, the sex of the rapist, the rapist's relationship to the victims, the rapist's social standing/authority in the community, the degree of violence and injury perpetrated on the victims, the number of years the rapist went undetected or detected but unpunished, etc. You could look at the depression, suicide attempts and successes, difficulty maintaining mature intimate relationships, substance abuse. You could string together footage of all the narcissistic, sociopathic, delusional, and sometimes even prideful rationalizations given by the men and women who have been convicted of raping boys and young men to drive home to your audience how selfish, merciless, diseased, and untreatable the offenders are.

    You could actually do a service to society by focusing on the culpability of the rapist, by making it plain in no uncertain terms that rape is always wrong. ALWAYS WRONG.

    Somehow I don't think that will be the upshot of Monday's perverse celebration of Jerry Sandusky.

    End of message; I have to go puke.

    YES WE DID -- AGAIN. FOUR MORE YEARS.

    by raincrow on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 03:33:01 PM PDT

  •  email sent (2+ / 0-)
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    it said "PLease, don't (like what the kids said)

  •  Oh hell to the yeah, right on that! What I wrote: (2+ / 0-)
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    How dare you give that child rapist Sandusky any credibility by interviewing him!  Just because he was once a high-and-mighty football coach, that makes what he did okay? As a survivor of sexual abuse, I DEMAND you not air any interview with him.  Listen to me, someone who has been there: child abusers LIE.  There's no point in hearing "his side of the story" because, based on my experience, he'll not take responsibility.  You are pouring salt by the pound into the wounds of men and women who were put through hell as children by having him on TV like he is someone who matters.  He's in prison due to his own actions.  Let him rot there and rather do a show on someone who is researching how to stop this horror from happening to any other kids! Now that would be a show worth airing!
  •  Maby they can ask him ... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... why Tom Corbett dragged his feet for so long in the criminal probe of Sandusky.

  •  I'm emailing NBC (4+ / 0-)
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    Since they want to know all about what rapists have to say, I'll give them a few quotes. Lets see if they will use them.

    ((Trigger Warning))

    "Shhhhhhh. Stop fighting it. Stop fighting it."

    "It always hurts the first time."

    -My best friends father. I was 10.

    "Was it good for you?"

    -35 year old man who raped me when I was 17. (I said "yes" so he would let me go.)

    "Oh shit, I think she's waking up"

    -One high school classmate to another, trying to pull my pants down while I was passed out drunk.

    "Why you even talking about this? That's disgusting."

    -Ex boyfriend

    "What the fuck are you crying about?"

    -Same ex-boyfriend, after he did it to me too.

    Some more from Project Unbreakable:

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    There, quote that shit NBC. There's your fucking interview.

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    by SwedishJewfish on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 05:40:28 PM PDT

    •  Promises... (3+ / 0-)
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      ....promises to kill my brother.  Promises to kill my sister.  Promises not to hurt my sister if I did what he wanted.  Promises that he would do exactly to my brother what he did to my sister and me.  He broke his promises when he didn't kill anyone.  But he lied every time.  

      I'm still not sure if he ever left my brother alone, since my brother grew up emotionally stunted from all the other crap we kids had to endure.  The worst of it all was how he delighted in letting me know he went back on his word.  It was actually funny to him that he had deceived me only to hurt my sister anyway.

      The only question I would ask Sandusky is to give me one reason why he thought it was acceptable to laugh and joke and smirk while the boys testified.  Why his smile was exactly the same smile my uncle flashed at me right after he raped my sister anyway.  I was eight and she was ten.  I'm sorry, but this is almost too much to bear.    

      Crying is all right in its own way while it lasts. But you have to stop sooner or later, and then you still have to decide what to do. ― C.S. Lewis Much Love, Andrea Lena.

      by Andrea D on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 07:26:05 PM PDT

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  •  Scott Paterno Tweets - denouncing Ziegler's info (2+ / 0-)
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    Scott Paterno ‏@ScottPaterno 3h
    @DCGSONS John has taken his project in directions we reject. John was aware of our position. He made a choice. Sorry.
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    Scott Paterno ‏@ScottPaterno 3h
    I am very calm. I am sorry that so many are upset, but we disagree with John and cannot be party to what he is doing.
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    Scott Paterno ‏@ScottPaterno 3h
    @Berkland4 I am sorry for that, but John is using our name in his website to say things we just flat disagree with. And he was aware of that
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    Scott Paterno ‏@ScottPaterno 3h
    @Berkland4 bottom line is John never has and does not now speak for my family nor do we endorse his actions.
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    by Roxine on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 06:57:44 PM PDT

    •  this is some really rough real. (1+ / 0-)
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      i don't think tv can to real this real.
      and do it right.

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      by greenbird on Fri Mar 22, 2013 at 07:52:38 PM PDT

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