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I know there are countries that will suppress critical thought about anything considered taboo especially when it comes to their laws (written and unwritten) no matter how ridiculous they sound. If you venture into these uncharted waters (questioning validity) you might wind up in a field where you are stoned to death. But here in the United States of America with so many resources available to LEARN and THINK, we should be so far removed from such backwardness, yet we are not and that is quite troubling (and preposterously senseless). thinkingblue

   The Florida Atlantic University student who allegedly ran afoul of school administrators when he expressed discomfort with a professor’s assignment to stomp on a piece of paper bearing the word “Jesus,” has won in an absolute rout.

    As late as Monday, Fox News Radio was reporting that the student, devout Mormon Ryan Rotela, faced a litany of academic charges involving “acts of verbal, written or physical abuse” and could no longer attend class.

    These charges were perplexing because they appeared to come after FAU first attempted to apologize. (RELATED: UPDATE: Florida Atlantic University apologizes for Jesus Stomping 101)

    Before that apology, as UPI reports, school officials had sided with the professor, insisting that a university “is a venue for such dialogue and debate.”

    It’s unclear if the school was actually planning to punish Rotela before the incident became a national story.

    Whatever the case, the Sun Sentinel reports that Florida Gov. Rick Scott has now blasted FAU as “intolerant to Christians.” He called Rotela personally to praise his courage. He also asked Frank Brogan, chancellor of Florida’s public university system, to ensure that “this type of ‘lesson’ will not occur again.”

    FAU has come out with a second apology. This time, it’s in the form of this nearly-touching humble pie-eating video.
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  •  Tip Jar (1+ / 1-)
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    Clive all hat no horse Rodeo

    A search for truth will find injustice!

    by thinkingblue on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 08:02:54 AM PDT

  •  You are going to get into a shit-ton of trouble... (5+ / 0-)
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    ban48, notrouble, agnostic, irishwitch, Lujane

    if you don't edit this down to fair use guidelines, pronto.

    10% of the text is all you can take.

    'If you want to be a hero, well just follow me.' - J. Lennon

    by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 08:29:00 AM PDT

  •  I don't consider stomping on a flag or a piece (9+ / 0-)

    of paper with Jesus's name (or anyone else's) as critical thinking.  It is more like the mindless rebellion typical of 12-year-olds:  this pisses you off so I am going to do it....

    ... more reminiscent of limbaugh chopping down trees just to piss off environmentalists....

    To any wingnut: If you pay my taxes I'll give you a job.

    by ban48 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 08:34:02 AM PDT

    •  True that. (2+ / 0-)
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      happymisanthropy, Lujane

      And I'm thinking, what if the teacher asked them to step on a photo of Eleanor Roosevelt or a blue whale? So what's the point? Being  a jerk for the purpose of being a jerk?  I don't see the "thinking" part.

      " name something is to own it." Thomas L. Friedman. Pleonexia - Ruthless self-seeking; an arrogant assumption that others and things exist for one's own benefit. (I now own the Republican Party.)

      by Dave in Columbus on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 08:54:10 AM PDT

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    •  if you are dealing with ideas set in concrete (3+ / 0-)

      you have to start somewhere and I would guess many students would not stomp on a piece of paper with Jesus written on it because of fear of divine retribution.

      Now if the guy had folded the paper so it said Jesus and students refused to stomp it and then would unfold it so it said Jesus Garcia, to see if they would stomp it, he would have had the beginning of a discussion about assumptions we make in everyday life without all of the facts.

      I spent years dealing with such students who were smug and self satisfied and convinced they were the ones best suited to decide what should be taught.  For example, I once gave the class a treatise by D James Kennedy, supposedly disproving evolution and asked them to go through the pamphlet identifying various logical fallacies committed by the author.  The basic premise was there were fallacies in the text and this was the given in the assignment.  a significant number undertook to disprove evolution and to prove Kennedy right and me wrong  

  •  I dunno. (1+ / 0-)
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    If a teacher who was a Lou Dobbs fan stomped on a Mexican flag, I think some people here would want him fired.

    Your end of the Constitution is sinking.

    by happymisanthropy on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 08:51:21 AM PDT

    •  I think that context would be somewhat (0+ / 0-)

      different, giving rise to a different interpretation as flag burning has long been a tradition in protests for at least 50 years.  

      The tradition of burning the Mexican flag is  much more recent and is associated with various anti immigration militias and their ideals

      •  yes, quite (0+ / 0-)

        but if context matters, then the lesson that "it's just a piece of cloth" goes out the window.

        Context doesn't matter until it matters.

        Your end of the Constitution is sinking.

        by happymisanthropy on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 10:47:18 AM PDT

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        •  not really since in context it is a piece of cloth (0+ / 0-)

          which is disrespected by many of the teacher's critics, who fly the flag when it is tattered and torn and faded or at night or during inclement weather.  the message here de facto that it is OK to disrespect the flag casually but not to disrespect it on purpose

  •  irony here is that the same people who are (0+ / 0-)

    horrified by the desecration of the flag fly tattered and faded banners from their cars and homes, at night and during inclement weather.  Whenever they do replace the flag, they throw the old one in the garbage.

    Before these people are too upset over flag desecration, they need to review flag etiquette and correct their own desecrations which to  my mind are more egregious

    •  Intent is the message (0+ / 0-)

      War veteran supporting the current war wearing a flag shirt is a patriot, while a war protestor wearing he same flag shirt is Anti American and desecrating the flag.

      The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

      by nextstep on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 10:31:53 AM PDT

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  •  do not teach young people (0+ / 0-)

    to ungrammatically split infinitives.

    Light is seen through a small hole.

    by houyhnhnm on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 09:32:23 AM PDT

  •  The donut is for plagiarism. At the time of this (0+ / 0-)

    comment, you had not cut your quoted material back, and not commented in response to others, especially me.

    'If you want to be a hero, well just follow me.' - J. Lennon

    by Clive all hat no horse Rodeo on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 01:45:40 PM PDT

  •  Hey waitafugginminute (1+ / 0-)
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    It's impossible to fire teachers because of teh Unionz!

    Quidquid id est, timeo Republicanos et securitatem ferentes.

    by Sura 109 on Sun Mar 31, 2013 at 03:03:09 PM PDT

  •  Apples and Oranges (2+ / 0-)
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    A teacher stomping on an American flag and a teacher asking students to stomp on a paper with the word "Jesus" on it as part of a lesson is comparing apples to oranges.  When a teacher overtly or covertly requires a student to participate in a lesson and that participation goes against that student's belief system, the student might feel compelled to do that action since the teacher has an authority position over him/her.  If the teacher himself decides to stomp on it then he is expressing his freedom to do so.  So, in summary, if teacher does it it might be repugnant to others but teacher shouldn't be disciplined.  If he required student to do it or put student in a position in which student feels pressure to do it, either through peer pressure or through fear of teacher giving them a poor grade for the lesson, that is wrong and teacher POSSIBLY should be disciplined. And to me it would make no difference whether the word written was "Jesus," "Prophet Mohammed" or "Mom."

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