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It seems that a "bipartisan" presser between West Virginia Senator Joe Manchin and Pennsylvania Senator Pat Toomey is set to occur tomorrow to announce a background check piece of legislation.  

I guess I will use this space to update it periodically but contrary to my belief when seeing these two names, this deal doesn't involve cutting Social Security and Medicare.

I'm assuming that the deal will be similar to the comments Manchin made this week per NBC News:

Manchin told reporters Tuesday that the compromise would close the gun show loophole by mandating background checks for those transactions and also require background checks for all Internet gun sales.
UPDATE #1:

Just adding some more information expect this "deal" to continue having loopholes that ruin the effectiveness of the deal.  Per Greg Sargent:

But — and this is the compromise part — all private sales not done through a commercial venue would get a background check but a record would not be kept. This would mean records wouldn’t be kept for acquaintance-to-acquaintance or friend-to-friend sales.
I assume this will be the main item to takeaway from the press conference tomorrow.

Originally posted to RVKU on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 04:36 PM PDT.

Also republished by DKos Pennsylvania, Shut Down the NRA, and Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA).

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  •  Tip Jar (7+ / 0-)

    #ConstructNotObstruct My personal (political) blog is at http://polliticstoday.wordpress.com

    by RVKU on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 04:36:54 PM PDT

  •  Leaving perhaps half of private sales... (11+ / 0-)

    ...uncovered.

    Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

    by Meteor Blades on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 04:38:29 PM PDT

    •  That's "bipartisan" for ya (5+ / 0-)

      it seems . Take the most conservative Democrat and a Club for Growther and put them in a room together and you get this.

      #ConstructNotObstruct My personal (political) blog is at http://polliticstoday.wordpress.com

      by RVKU on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 04:40:10 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  These are two Senators with "A" ratings from (1+ / 0-)
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        Andrew F Cockburn

        the NRA. Hmmm.

        Without recorded keeping how can it be confirmed that a background check ever happened - scouts honor?

        If you're a selling and you know you are not required to create and file a record of the check, what's to stop that person from not performing one if that check would stop a sale?

        Honest question?

        The record of sale? Is that required to be kept and audited? The NRA passed legislation saying dealers weren't subject to inventory checks, so it seems they can make up their inventory.

        Without a record of the check it seems it leaves it to the discretion of the seller to run a check or not.

        Am I right? Or am I wrong?

    •  MB: does this weak BC bill + NRA inventory rider = (3+ / 0-)
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      LinSea, Andrew F Cockburn, Losty

      meaningless legislation?

      These riders stop ATF from effectively enforcing our existing laws in a number of ways, including:

      •     Blocking ATF from requiring gun dealers to check their inventory. ATF finds that for the 20 percent of gun stores they have the resources to inspect, about 20,000 guns disappear from their inventories each year. An NRA rider now blocks ATF from requiring the other 80 percent of gun dealers to check their own inventories and report back.

      •     Preventing ATF from computerizing records already in their possession. An NRA rider forces ATF to store certain records in boxes and microfiche (who uses microfiche anymore?)—and prevents those records from being computerized. This restriction waste resources and make crime gun tracing harder and slower.

      •     Trying to prevent ATF from catching straw purchasers working for the Mexican drug cartels. In 2010 the Obama administration put forward an order requiring gun dealers in the southwest border to flag bulk purchases of assault rifles to ATF. This measure has proved effective in catching straw buyers who are buying guns on behalf of the Mexican drug cartels. So, of course, the NRA is pushing a new rider, which has passed the House but not the Senate, to override the reporting requirement for bulk purchases of assault rifles.

      http://www.thedailybeast.com/...

      It seems a BC without a record hinges on the seller to honor that law - but there's no way to enforce/penalize those that don't. If you don't have to keep an inventory of your stock, what's to stop an unscrupulous seller from making up what ever they need to make up in order to cover sales that didn't go through a background check?

  •  Obama would probably (0+ / 0-)

    consider it bipartisan - not sure about anyone else though.

  •  Um, that compromise is fine with me. (1+ / 0-)
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    Andrew F Cockburn

    The purpose of background checks isn't to keep records, it's to have background checks.  I'm willing to be talked out of being OK with this, and I hate both of them with a passion, but why would we have a problem with this?

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Tue Apr 09, 2013 at 05:01:49 PM PDT

  •  Before this whole thing is over (1+ / 0-)
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    Andrew F Cockburn

    there will be loopholes in this legislation big enough to drive an 18-wheeler through.

    •  Without a requirement to keep inventories of (2+ / 0-)
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      Andrew F Cockburn, Losty

      their stock, how can anyone know what the hell is going on in their shop:

      These riders stop ATF from effectively enforcing our existing laws in a number of ways, including:

      •     Blocking ATF from requiring gun dealers to check their inventory. ATF finds that for the 20 percent of gun stores they have the resources to inspect, about 20,000 guns disappear from their inventories each year. An NRA rider now blocks ATF from requiring the other 80 percent of gun dealers to check their own inventories and report back.

      •     Preventing ATF from computerizing records already in their possession. An NRA rider forces ATF to store certain records in boxes and microfiche (who uses microfiche anymore?)—and prevents those records from being computerized. This restriction waste resources and make crime gun tracing harder and slower.

      •     Trying to prevent ATF from catching straw purchasers working for the Mexican drug cartels. In 2010 the Obama administration put forward an order requiring gun dealers in the southwest border to flag bulk purchases of assault rifles to ATF. This measure has proved effective in catching straw buyers who are buying guns on behalf of the Mexican drug cartels. So, of course, the NRA is pushing a new rider, which has passed the House but not the Senate, to override the reporting requirement for bulk purchases of assault rifles.

      http://www.thedailybeast.com/...

      They sale whatever the hell they want to say about where their guns are going and how can you force the sellers to run a background check if there is no record kept AND they can make up their inventory?

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