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(CNN) - Sens. Joe Manchin, D-West Virginia, and Patrick J. Toomey, R-Pennsylvania, plan to announce a bipartisan deal on background checks for gun shows and Internet sales at an 11 a.m. press conference today, CNN's Dana Bash has learned.
The agreement, reportedly reached late Tuesday night, would also include exemptions for gun sales between family members, and will be announced Wednesday.
Support from the conservative Toomey, who also carries an A rating from the NRA, could give other, more moderate Republicans cover to vote in favor of a bill to expand background checks for gun sales beyond just those conducted through licensed dealers.

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  •  Tip Jar (9+ / 0-)

    "The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced." -Zappa My Site

    by meagert on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 06:46:46 AM PDT

  •  Devil in the details.... (5+ / 0-)
    Senators Joe Manchin (D-WV) and Pat Toomey (R-PA) have reached a deal allowing for background checks on gun sales online and at gun shows, NBC News reported Wednesday morning.
    I'm still not sure that they can mandate the check from the federal level rather than at the state level. Put another way, I think it has to be state law to be constitutional.
  •  used, same as new? (4+ / 0-)

    I'm betting the 'compromise' is that the background check records on ''used'' gun (show type) sales will be treated the same as new guns currently purchased, they are to be destroyed within 90? days.

    Originally Dem's had proposed making them part of your permanent file. Never to be disposed of.

    Who is mighty ? One who turns an enemy into a friend !

    by OMwordTHRUdaFOG on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 07:24:30 AM PDT

  •  I think response will depend... (6+ / 0-)

    ...on the actual compromise reached.

    At least one report is saying that it excludes "Noncommercial person-to-person firearms sales," but requires a check for Internet sales (which is already the case for buying from a licensed dealer) -- seems self-contradictory to a degree, but speculation is, at this point, moot.

    There is also the fact, of course, that a deal in the Senate may mean something or nothing at all when it comes to the House.

    Yes, I often dress as a pirate. Your point?

    by theatre goon on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 07:48:58 AM PDT

    •  private sales (3+ / 0-)
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      meagert, theatre goon, gerrilea

      are supposed to be non-commercial already, aren't they?  

      "with rights come responsibilities." Wrong. Responsibilities continue to exist even if you abdicate your rights.

      by happymisanthropy on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 08:57:30 AM PDT

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    •  The internet sales is a bit of a misconception (3+ / 0-)
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      Unless I am mistaken, in practice it already means all shipped firearms.   Unless the transaction is face to face, it would need to be shipped, which means UPS or FedEx (don't even try to ship a serialized part USPS), both of which have strict policies on the subject.  If my memory serves, both will only ship to the factory, to an FFL or from the factory back to the original shipper (e.g. warranty repair).

      •  It may refer to... (2+ / 0-)
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        gerrilea, meagert

        ...sales set up on the Internet but conducted in person, such as something advertised on Craigslist.  At least, this:

        ...over the internet and that involve advertising.
        ...might what this is referring to.

        I've seen nothing specific about that, however, but it would seem to be the only reason to include something along those lines because, as you point out, it already applies to shipped firearms and firearms purchased online from a licensed dealer.

        Even the write-up about the deal seems unclear on this (and I haven't been able to see the actual news conference).

        Yes, I often dress as a pirate. Your point?

        by theatre goon on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 09:35:47 AM PDT

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  •  The current theory is (5+ / 0-)

    that even if no legislation is passed, it strengthens the Dems in 2014. They'll be able to  call out the repubs for inaction. I'm not so sure that will be the actual scenario.

    "The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced." -Zappa My Site

    by meagert on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 07:55:47 AM PDT

  •  From MB's diary... (6+ / 0-)

    ...the deal has been announced:

    Two senators with "A" grades from the National Rifle Association announced Wednesday that they had negotiated a deal on expanding background checks to purchases of firearms at gun shows, over the internet and that involve advertising. Face-to-face sales, say those between neighbors, would not be covered.
    I'm not seeing anything to write home about on this one.  The only thing that looks new is the requirement at gun shows which, while rather pointless, is something that has been predicted for quite some time, even without the "this time everything is changed" rhetoric.

    In my opinion, "feel good" legislation which doesn't do much of anything -- a "compromise" for the sake of saying "we did something," even though nothing of substance was done.

    Yes, I often dress as a pirate. Your point?

    by theatre goon on Wed Apr 10, 2013 at 09:31:40 AM PDT

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