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After Jason Collins became the first not-retired male athlete in a major sport in the United States to come out as gay, the sports world reacted mostly with a collective yawn.  There were many positive comments from his colleagues.  I signed a petition of support sponsored by this very website.  There were, however, some media types who had negative things to say, and they mostly involved Christianity in their condemnations.

In a nation that believes in freedom of Religion and the separation of Church and State, Christians feel persecuted despite the fact that every single Chief Executive has been Christian.  The Irish Catholic President was also a Christian, and I say this for the simple reason that in the west, for the first 1500 years of Christianity, the only game in town was the Catholic Church.

In their perpetual effort to identify with their Savior, Christians are constantly crying persecution.  I'm sorry, but Purina Lion Chow is no longer made from Christians. In other words, It's simply not happening.

Now, there are several public universities in America where a Christian group wants to set up a club that will receive public funding for activities.  They are told that they cannot discriminate, meaning they have to accept gay people who want to join them. They ask why they are forced to accept people living an anti-Christian lifestyle, but liberals aren't  being forced to accept Christian values.

Liberals are fine with people who want to live by Christian values.  The problem is that some Christians try to force their interpretation of those values on others.  Unless a gay person is sexually forcing himself on a straight Christian male, how does that gayness affect the Christian?  While I'm on the subject, how is this a Christian thing?

There is nothing in the New Testament about homosexuality.  It comes from the Original.  It was also largely an afterthought.  Out of 613 laws, there is one against homosexuality.  Jesus was a teacher of Jewish Law.  He said nothing about it!  Why?  Because maybe he didn't care.  There is a law against wearing clothing made from 2 different fabrics.  So, we must be Homofashionable.

There s a law against eating milk with meat making cheeseburgers sinful.  Why aren't there protests against the anti-Christian Big Macs sold at McDonalds?  Touching the skin of a dead pig makes one unclean, but Notre Dame has a football team.  FYI the ball is often referred to as pigskin.

The first Christians were actually Jews.  Simon Paul was having a difficult time finding converts.  He decided that he would drop the requirements of circumcision and Kosher laws.  This turned out to be a successful marketing strategy.  If Christ were called before the Supreme Court to defend against gay, my bet is he would deliberately not show up.

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  •  Huh? (4+ / 0-)

    Unless there is some kind of historical record (meaning something beyond but also including the New Testament) I'm not finding a "Gays vs. Christ" theme.

    As for the rest of this incomprehensible post, I honestly don't know what your point is.

    Are all Xians LGBT haters?  Did Jesus hate LGBT?  Was Simon Paul actually Paul Simon and had a long running personal issue with Art Garfunkle?  Is it almost time to plant seeds in Connecticut considering climate change?

    " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

    by gchaucer2 on Thu May 02, 2013 at 06:06:46 PM PDT

  •  Actually... (8+ / 0-)
    There is nothing in the New Testament about homosexuality.  It comes from the Original.

    I think you're confused.

    There's nothing in the Gospels about homosexuality.  Jesus, as seen in the Gospels, seems to not think homosexuality is a problem he needs to talk about.

    On the other hand...

    Paul appears to loath Tuh Gayz just as much as he Hates Women.  Hence the citations in works that are associated with him.

    My general thought has always been Baby & Bathwater.  Jesus is the Baby.  Paul is the Bathwater... a pretty cold and putrid and dirty batch of bathwater when one thinks about it.  I've always felt comfortable tossing the Bathwater that is Paul, and instead giving thought to the philosophy of Jesus.


    You might want to correct the piece before scholars of the bible far more knowledgeable than me shred it.

    •  you did a good enough job (1+ / 0-)
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      no need for me to step in

      signed, TBM, Bible Scholar   :-D

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      by TrueBlueMajority on Thu May 02, 2013 at 06:40:18 PM PDT

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    •  Which philosophy of Jesus? (1+ / 0-)
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      Assuming there was a Jesus, we have four objectively contradictory accounts of who he was, what he did, and what he preached.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Thu May 02, 2013 at 06:54:28 PM PDT

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      •  The First 3 Disagree Mainly in Editing; The (2+ / 0-)
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        teacher was consistent in a number of ways across all three books and their underlying sources.

        Soft evidence of one historical figure. No evidence for the magic.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Thu May 02, 2013 at 07:17:42 PM PDT

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    •  What am I missing (1+ / 0-)
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      If Christians follow the teachings of Christ, and Christ said nothing about Homosexuality, and the Gospels say nothing about Homosexuality- then what was inaccurate about my post?

      Someone who was not Jesus said something Jesus never said and Christians need to follow it why?

      •  You seem to have confused the Gospels (3+ / 0-)
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        with the New Testament in your post.  There's nothing on homosexuality in the Gospels.  There is definitely stuff on homosexuality in the New Testament.

        This is one of the pet peeves of our side's arguments against conservative Christians, by the way: the jokes about shellfish and stoning adulterers in Leviticus.  Yeah, that's stuff's in Leviticus, and yeah, the fundamentalists really like the strong language there ("abomination"), but it's that bastard Paul who's the reason so many Christians consider homosexuality antithetical to their faith, not Leviticus.  It's particularly evident in his letter to the Romans, and shellfish isn't on the menu.

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        by pico on Thu May 02, 2013 at 08:41:28 PM PDT

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      •  There is no Christ vs Gays (0+ / 0-)

        You are conflating Christ with Christians.  Jesus of Nazareth never used the word Christ and may never even have heard it in his life.  It is the Greek term given to him by the Roman citizen Paul who believed that, in a vision, he had been given the commission to carry the son of God's message to the gentiles.  He didn't drop anything since gentiles were never required to follow the kosher laws.  He also didn't drop the circumcision requirements for Jews.  The Jewish followers of Peter and the original disciples continued to be circumcised and considered Jesus to be the messiah of the Jews. Paul was not a favorite of the Jesus' original followers. There are still Jews for Jesus by the way and I presume they are circumcised and may choose to keep kosher I suppose.  

        But I digress.  Jesus, who wasn't a Christian, said nothing about Gays.   The gay stuff in the New Testament was inserted by Paul who was a Christian.  Got it?  Since Jesus, who may or may not have been the Christ, said nothing about Gays then there is no Christ vs Gays.  However there are Christians who follow the teachings of Paul as their basis for opposing gays.  Paul didn't say that the Christ told him to oppose homosexuality.  If you actually read the New Testament you will see that the statements are made on his own authority.

        Your last statement is a grammatical nightmare and is just silly.  

        If Christ were called before the Supreme Court to defend against gay, my bet is he would deliberately not show up.

        A bad idea isn't responsible for those who believe it. ---Stephen Cannell

        by YellerDog on Thu May 02, 2013 at 11:03:21 PM PDT

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    •  How nice for you. (0+ / 0-)

      Tired of bigotry being hid behind 'real' xristianity

      Democracy, if done properly, is rude, messy, and loud

      by allensl on Thu May 02, 2013 at 09:22:28 PM PDT

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    •  Which Paul? (1+ / 0-)
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      The real Paul, the Paul of Acts -- after he got over Christian killin and tax collectin and hit the road proselytizin -- seemed from his writings to be remarkably egalitarian, as was the early church. Women figured prominently and participated at every level, and there are more than a few suggestions in early Christian writings that gay men were among the early faithful. Later authors who wrote in Paul's name became increasingly socially conservative, judgmental, and proscriptive.

      Fight them to the end, until the children of the poor eat better than the dogs of the rich.

      by raincrow on Thu May 02, 2013 at 11:32:26 PM PDT

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    •  By the way, it's not really clear what Paul was (0+ / 0-)

      talking about. The word that is now translated as "homosexuals" by some in the Greek is androkoiti, which etymologically is something like man bedders. But etymology is not meaning (check out "understand") and the frustrating fact is that Paul is the first use of this word and most subsequent ones are quoting him or included in long lists of Bad Stuff.

      Going by context it seems to mean something that combines violence and injustice, so some speculate it means something like "seller of male sex slaves." What we can't say with confidence is that it means homosexuals.

      Paul had plenty of words to talk about homosexual relationships and participants - Greek is rift with them. He didn't use any of them.

      Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

      by Wee Mama on Fri May 03, 2013 at 07:41:38 AM PDT

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  •  Who won? n/t (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Thu May 02, 2013 at 06:51:57 PM PDT

  •  your statement on Hebrew bible incomplete (4+ / 0-)

    the Levitical statement is only about males lying with other males as if with a woman

    as the Orthodox Rabbi who taught the advanced Talmud class I attended pointed out, the Hebrew Scriptures and Talmud are both silent on lesbianism.

    "We didn't set out to save the world; we set out to wonder how other people are doing and to reflect on how our actions affect other people's hearts." - Pema Chodron

    by teacherken on Thu May 02, 2013 at 06:55:15 PM PDT

  •  Like the Cubs and Madonna....... (1+ / 0-)
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    It's the fans that just ruin Jesus for me.......

    Damn it, I would've been the Simon Cowell of death panelists!

    by OneCharmingBastard on Thu May 02, 2013 at 10:43:43 PM PDT

  •  This is what comes when people (0+ / 0-)

    regard mythologies as a source of authority.

    Put the book down people, please, and lets concentrate on dealing with societal issues by using our BRAINS. We waste an incredible amount of time arguing over what those texts meant. They mean nothing. They are not relevant, and if they are a "divine" source, then that says all you need to know about that particular deity.

    Here's the difference between gay people and "Christ". Gay people exist, "Christ" never did.

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