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this afternoon, as we were moving stuff around the garage where i'm staying, my friend and i heard the tell-tale "POP POP POP POP - POPPOPPOPPOPPOPPOP  POPPOPPOP"

phone out, 911 called and reported - multiple shots fired - about a block away off gloria way and bay...  two distinct guns...  definitely shots...  yes, toward bay.  name?  edrie

"we'll get someone over there right away"  THANK you!  

more beneath the casings...

we stood for a few minutes to see if any cars came barrelling around the corner - whether or not it would continue as a running gun battle (gangs abound around here).

no cars fleeing - but no one was making a move toward the shooting area, either.  not until we heard sirens, knew the cops were on hand and established whether or not it was an ongoing, active shooting or if it was someone simply firing off to celebrate cinco de mayo (not likely - the double set of shots seemed to dispell any thought of celebration).

the first siren - within minutes (THANK you, e.p.a. police dept) - then the second - all stopping close by - within that two block radius.  not stopping near the school yard where the cinco de mayo celebration was currently ongoing - closer to university.  

more sirens.  another.  two more.  then the sound of the fire engine (paramedics travel in fire trucks around here - first responders - big rig rolling...)

more sirens blasting - another fire truck.  and another one.  

uh oh.  that means the bullets made their target.  damn.

THANK you, East Palo Alto Police Dept.
THANK you, Meno Park Police Dept.
THANK you, Palo Alto Police Dept.

more sirens.  more officers responding.

okay - the neighbor's sister walked over - came back saying at least three wounded in mcdonalds - MY mcdonalds - i know those kids who work there.  they greet me with a smile and my black coffee all the way up to the VERY top every day!  was it a robbery?  was it a shooting inside the mickey d's?  are they okay?  WHY would anyone be firing multiple guns on a sunny sunday at 2:45pm in the afternoon of cinco de mayo when so many kids and people would be out enjoying the sunshine?

no marathon explosions - just multiple shots fired... close to home... again.

one siren leaves - must be the ambulance.  why aren't others leaving?  are the people okay?

the newshound in me kicks in - go inside and call the local stations - ask if they know about the shooting.  no.  they don't.  give address.  tell info at hand and tell that it is unconfirmed.  they respond BREAKING STORY! to the people in the news room - i hear the urgency in andrew's voice.  "we'll call the E.P.A. police dept and get a crew over there!  Call us back if you have more info..."

okay - quiet enough now - it is the "mop up" so i head over for more info for andrew... if i can get it.

street blocked off - two officers directing all traffic to turn - no access on bay road between gloria way and university where the mickey d's is on the corner of bay.  

shooting two officers bay road

yellow tape.  police line, do not cross... it strikes me as odd that it is facing the wrong way - have to read it mirror image.  folks standing around watching, shaking their heads.  

shooting mcdonalds and tape

it is a pretty day - this is their front yard where shell casings are left across the street.  on the other side, kids are walking down to see if they can get any more info - is it someone they know?  is anyone dead?  how many shot?  inside or outside the mcdonalds?  everyone is worried.  the older neighbors, the priest, the single woman wondering how to get home through the tape.  the neighbors wondering if they can move their cars on the street. the customers in mcdonalds who can't leave.

everyone worries.

on the way back down the block, a group of four young men and a young woman stop and point - "there's a bullet casing" - i ask them to stand there to keep it from being disturbed while i told the officer nearby - another cone - another strip of yellow plastic tied to that car the owner wanted to move.  not now.  it is part of the crime scene.

five people shot, one 20 yr old male seriously injured.  a sixth victim, a six year old child, hurt by falling while running away. the victims all at the bus stop when two shooters started firing on a sunny, beautiful day full of happy people waiting for a bus.

fortunately, the other four injured were not life threatening - wounds to the lower extremities.  three ran into the mcdonalds to escape the gunfire.

the priest stood shaking his head - talking about how congress failed to pass gun legislation - how the nra was saying crazy things - how upset sen. feinstein was over the rejection of the assault weapon ban - how there is no reason for assault weapons.

the young folk who spotted the bullet casing - one was upset that the officer didn't say "THANK you" to them - so i quickly said, "THANK you" and when they were walking away, one of these young men quietly said "guns should be illegal..."

when the young people under fire in east palo alto say simply that guns should be illegal, the legislators should damn well listen.

when the priest of st. francis of assissi down the block is distressed over the failure of congress to address assault weapons and guns, the legislators should damn well listen.

and, when a community is under seige by a small group, a few people with such disregard for the grandmother and the six year old and the other four people who happen to be waiting for a bus, SOMEBODY should damn well listen.

it's about poverty. it's about anger. it's about guns.  it's about hopelessness.  it's about many things... and nobody is listening.

and, for the men and women who are out there trying to clean up this disaster in my community, THANK you, East Palo Alto Police; THANK you, Menlo Park Police; THANK you, Palo Alto Police; THANK you to the firefighters and paramedics who are there every time - we appreciate what you do to make our community safer in this suburban war zone.

shooting traffic control

THIS is why i object to so many of the distorted representations of the police because i see their faces, watch them work to protect those of us caught in the crossfire... and, around here, that happens all too frequently.

Originally posted to edrie on Sun May 05, 2013 at 10:28 PM PDT.

Also republished by Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA) and Shut Down the NRA.

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  •  when will it ever end? when will it ever (227+ / 0-)
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    EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

    by edrie on Sun May 05, 2013 at 10:25:30 PM PDT

    •  Love that song (15+ / 0-)

      I like this one too, it's one of my favorites of all time:

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      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Mon May 06, 2013 at 12:11:48 AM PDT

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    •  I was six when this song hit the charts (24+ / 0-)

      It had a profound impact on me. I was a Peter, Paul and Mary fan from that point forward. I was fortunate enough to be able to personally thank Peter Yarrow for all their music had meant to me when I met him at the King Day March in Atlanta something like a decade ago.  

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Mon May 06, 2013 at 02:02:00 AM PDT

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      •  they touched a generation, as did many of (17+ / 0-)

        the singers of the 60s... so much passion, so much grief, so much war...

        we need independent outlets again to hear new voices along side the old...

        EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

        by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 02:31:06 AM PDT

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        •  There was (21+ / 0-)

          this diary yesterday, about Bill Moyers' show this week. Peter Yarrow was on with two of the mourning parents from Sandy Hook. Yarrow talked about the healing power of music.

          •  Unfortunately, for healing to take place, (10+ / 0-)

            there has to be an injury first.
            When agents of government perceive themselves as "protectors," there has to be a threat from which people are to be protected, usually after the fact of an injury has occurred.
            Does the perception of protectors contribute to the injurious behavior? It obviously doesn't prevent the attacks. So, what would happen if, instead, agents of government were designated as providers of goods and services, including the restraint of abusive persons? Might injury actually be minimized? We won't know until we try.
            Would agents of government modeling respect for rights be move effective than coercing obedience and prompting resentment? We won't know until we try.

            We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

            by hannah on Mon May 06, 2013 at 05:06:09 AM PDT

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            •  it is an interesting concept. (19+ / 0-)

              years ago, where i bought my sani (horse), the owner of the barn had a horse that the grooms hated.  he was fractious, difficult to handle and groom - but beautiful under saddle.

              this was before robert redford made a mockery out of "horse whispering" (my opinion of his "moonfacing the camera") - anne had a british woman visiting who "read" horses.  while she stepped away, one of the grooms sneered, "what's wrong with THIS one?"

              the very proper british lady put a hand on him, then quickly was startled... she replied, "he thinks his name is SH*THEAD!"

              well, that's what the grooms called him while working with him.  they immediately stopped with the derogatory name and called him his given name - and, guess what!  he became a perfect dream to work with.

              people are what they are called (horses, too).  perhaps the motto "to serve" would better stead our purpose - leaving the "protect" part unsaid.

              it would be interesting to see how it works.  i believe there are several places where pd are called public safety officers - i'm curious if the crime rates dropped when the name/job description changed.  it would be worth the try...

              i think it is more than just respect of rights - it is the respect of persons and individuals - and to do that, we need to have mutual contact where EACH side gets to know the other instead of being faceless adversaries.

              thanks for a good post and food for thought here!

              EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

              by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 05:21:12 AM PDT

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              •  Servants can serve without being subordinated (9+ / 0-)

                or insubordinate. But, that's a concept that's hard to get across to people whose sense of purpose is dependent on feeling superior to someone else.

                Perhaps respect and compliance are antithetical concepts.

                We organize governments to deliver services and prevent abuse.

                by hannah on Mon May 06, 2013 at 05:45:31 AM PDT

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              •  First take away their guns (2+ / 0-)
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                Not necessarily all the time, but I don't see any duty that necessitated a gun that you described in this diary. You can't have an open diary with the threat of a gun being a part of it. That's not dialog. As long as they have the right to kill and kill with impunity then there can't be anything approaching a dialog.

                If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

                by AoT on Mon May 06, 2013 at 08:53:43 AM PDT

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                •  i understand where you're coming from - but, (0+ / 0-)

                  unfortunately, the officers are outgunned by friggin lunatics now.  when an officer is gunned down for a traffic stop, something is very very wrong with society.

                  i WANT the chp and the pd out there to stop the crazy drivers who put so many at risk and kill many more.  i appreciate that they get the DUI's off the road - there's been many a time i have wished that for just one day i could do traffic duty.

                  as for dialogue - when there are people out there who have little or no regard for human life, the police are there to make sure that more people aren't injured or die.

                  look at why i wrote this diary - two people drove by a bus stop and opened fire on the people sitting there - one was a 6 yr old child, the other was her grandmother.

                  it was only the sheer ineptness of the two shooters that prevented people from dying.  when the police go after these two people, i don't want them going unarmed.

                  e.p.a. has already lost one decent officer on jan 7, 2006.  officer may responded to a disturbance - two men fighting.  he was an awesome guy - he cared deeply about the people in this town.

                  when he answered the call, he had a young police explorer (14 yrs old) on a ride along - something the pd does here to let the kids know what the officers do in the community.  it's bridge building.  

                  when one of the men tried to run away, officer may tried to stop him.  the man turned around and gunned him down with a semi automatic.  officer may fired back to stop him - but the suspect (now convicted) turned and shot him point blank and killed him.

                  this goon was on the streets for hours before he was apprehended.  

                  i don't want to see decent people killed - ever.  officer may was a decent man and a damned good police officer who was outgunned and murdered.

                  this town turned out in force to honor someone who had made a significant difference in this town - a dedicated officer who left behind his wife and three daughters - and he left this community poorer for his loss.

                  sadly, AoT, we live in very violent times - and you can't fight bullets with bare hands.  the number of semi-automatics, the number of guns in this town rival a small army unit.  our police force does an amazing job of keeping people safe as possible with as little use of that "force" as is necessary.

                  i wish times were different.  i wish we lived in a "bobby" world - yet, even now, the british bobby carries a gun.  the world has changed.  why?  it's profitable for the makers of killing instruments, so they flood the world with weapons and then instigate conflict to make people need more.

                  i wish i never had to read another "tribute" like this one... but, sadly, it isn't going to change in our lifetimes, i fear.  

                  EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                  by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 12:25:39 PM PDT

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                  •  Then there can't be a discussion (2+ / 0-)
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                    It's as simple as that. The police have all the power. That's not a discussion and pretending it is helps nothing. What we are talking about is a situation where being a police officer means enforcing racist laws and supporting a racist system. Sure, individuals might do good sometimes, but pretending that the massive prison population doesn't exist or isn't related to the police is absolutely absurd. They are an occupying army enforcing the rule of the few. Whatever the individuals may want or desire when they sign up means nothing to the institution. They will be forced to secure a racist system.

                    As for officers getting killed, yeah, it happens. Do you know why all those guns are on the street? Do you know the history of gun control and the history of racism in this country? Because the police are the primary enforcers of the racist system we have and you're gung ho in support of them. That means you're supporting racism. Plain and simple. Officers get killed because the government has started a war with people of color and the officers are on the front line.

                    If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

                    by AoT on Mon May 06, 2013 at 12:39:00 PM PDT

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                    •  the police don't have all the power - they simply (1+ / 0-)
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                      detain people - the power lies within the courts. that is where the focus should be - on the laws and those who make them.

                      the police officer does NOT have the "luxury" of choosing which laws to enforce or not - and you keep saying "racist laws" - could you please give me an example because i'm not following you here.

                      the prison system and it's population isn't the result of the police - it is the result of biased laws - made by lawmakers who are elected by biased people.

                      this is one of the reasons i harp so much on holding the republicans accountable - they are responsible for many of those same racist, mysogenistic laws.

                      you ask if i know the history of racism?  well, yes, actually, i do.  i come from the segregated south - went to segregated schools where the worst white high school was like college compared to the best black school.  it was a system of diminishing returns for the blacks.  the universities were segregated, leaving only black colleges that were the equivalent of a good white high school - so the ability to obtain a high quality education already was stacked against blacks.

                      the year after i graduated high school, charlotte had the first integrated classes.  my college admitted the first black students my sophmore year - they were welcomed in a college that didn't see the "color" of one's skin - we only saw classmates.

                      but, that said, it doesn't mean i didn't see that color barrier my entire life.  as a child, taking a drink from the barrel that was marked "colored" - i didn't understand because both barrels had water that was clear.

                      i grew up playing with the little girl who was the daughter of our cook.  never thought about her color other than she had a better tan than we did.  ours was a family that didn't see "color" - but as i got older, i saw the discrimination and fear that many southern whites had toward the "unknown".

                      i saw it first hand.  when i moved to ny - again, i never noticed skin color - i saw the person - their minds, their dreams, their passions AND their pain.  i have stood beside more people than you can imagine to fight prejudice - so don't ask me if i understand racism.  i've been fighting bigots my whole life - even to this day.  so, six decades (almost seven) - i've watched, observed, fought racism.  i think my opinion is well qualified based on those facts.

                      as for gun control - the history... i am too tired to list my bona fides on that, but it is nearly equal to the ones on racism.  i'm tired - been up all night - going to sleep now.

                      i'll be back online later, if you want to keep this going - i think it is a good discussion and worth continuing, if you'd like to.

                      catch you later,

                      e

                      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                      by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 01:25:44 PM PDT

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                      •  First - Racist laws are the laws (0+ / 0-)

                        that put huge numbers of people of color behind bars. Black American men make up about .5% of the world population and about 15% of the world's prison population. You don't get that without a racist system of laws.

                        the police officer does NOT have the "luxury" of choosing which laws to enforce or not
                        Exactly. They have to enforce unjust laws as they would enforce just laws. And you have no problem with them doing so. You fully support them. Not only that, but if this is true then how can you claim they're all individuals. They are all required to act in the same way by the institution they have chosen to be a part of.
                        the prison system and it's population isn't the result of the police - it is the result of biased laws - made by lawmakers who are elected by biased people.
                        So the people in prison just got their on their own? I mean, someone had to capture them and put them there. That's the job of the police, they enforce laws by capturing people and forcing them to do things. They are the most immediate manifestation of the violence of the government in our day to day lives. Because it's their job to be violent. That's the primary reason for having police. Sure, they do other things as well, but when you look at why they exist, it's to do violence.
                        i grew up playing with the little girl who was the daughter of our cook.  never thought about her color other than she had a better tan than we did.  ours was a family that didn't see "color" - but as i got older, i saw the discrimination and fear that many southern whites had toward the "unknown".

                        i saw it first hand.  when i moved to ny - again, i never noticed skin color - i saw the person - their minds, their dreams, their passions AND their pain.  i have stood beside more people than you can imagine to fight prejudice - so don't ask me if i understand racism.  i've been fighting bigots my whole life - even to this day.  so, six decades (almost seven) - i've watched, observed, fought racism.  i think my opinion is well qualified based on those facts.

                        First, once you were older I'm sure you knew their race. I see what you're trying to say, that you didn't judge them on their race, but I guaranteed you actually did see their race. Which isn't to say you judged them on their race, I'm sure you didn't. I know you well enough to know that you treat people like that. The problem is that not all racism is that sort of explicit bigotry. It's systemic. It's deep and institutional. We can't just act like race doesn't matter because outright bigotry is condemned, we have to focus on the systemic racism that afflicts this country. And the police are on the front line of enforcing that racism.

                        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

                        by AoT on Mon May 06, 2013 at 01:55:18 PM PDT

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                      •  Also, rest up! Get your energy back. (1+ / 0-)
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                        Don't get sick or anything.

                        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

                        by AoT on Mon May 06, 2013 at 01:56:40 PM PDT

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                        •  still not coherent - will maybe do another diary (1+ / 0-)
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                          tomorrow to carry this conversation forward.  but i'll get back to you on this one, too - just not for a while.  am crashing out again fairly soon.

                          not quite the spring chicken i used to be - these all niters aren't as easy as they used to be...

                          8^)

                          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                          by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 09:38:32 PM PDT

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          •  music doeth soothe the savage breast... (2+ / 0-)
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            (not beast, as is often misquoted, btw)...

            music heals - emotions AND it helps speed healing of physical wounds.

            got to go look at that show - thanks for the heads up...

            EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

            by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 05:22:21 AM PDT

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      •  I was another generation, but my mom (5+ / 0-)

        played piano and taught me this song as a kid. It had a profound impact on me even though it was decades old by then.

        The words hit me in my tiny little gut- they paint such a vivid picture. Music can teach really powerful lessons, and Yarrow was/is a great teacher. We need to teach children  these lessons so that human suffering is not a distant concept to them as adults.

      •  Another Peter, Paul, and Mary fan here. (4+ / 0-)
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        I still have some of their vinyls.

        Their album, "Peter, Paul, and Mommy", the one with Puff the Magic Dragon was downloaded for my Grandson within the first week of bringing him home from the hospital.

        In the time it took Adam Lanza to reload, eleven children escaped. What if...

        by Sixty Something on Mon May 06, 2013 at 09:14:03 AM PDT

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  •  I mentioned Friday night that (36+ / 0-)

    someone was taken away across the street. It is a sadly all-too-common sequence: Man drives erratically/recklessly, attracting attention of police. Fails to stop, attempts to evade police. When car is stopped, at his house, there is an open container of alcohol in the vehicle and searching the vehicle reveals meth. And just to put the cherry on it, he tried to punch one of the cops.

    And I wouldn't have known anything was going on if all the lights hadn't attracted my attention.

    Turned out in the paper he also had an unregistered handgun which, as a felon, he wasn't supposed to possess.

    Well, I feel better knowing he won't be living across the street from me for a while.

    When you come to find how essential the comfort of a well-kept home is to the bodily strength and good conditions, to a sound mind and spirit, and useful days, you will reverence the good housekeeper as I do above artist or poet, beauty or genius.

    by Alexandra Lynch on Sun May 05, 2013 at 10:39:32 PM PDT

    •  are you in a suburban or urban neighborhood? (39+ / 0-)

      it's funny here in e.p.a. - everyone keeps track of what is going on - we know our neighbors and we know who is "trouble" - AND we watch out for each other.  news spreads like melted butter around here - we have the perfect "social media" - news from our social contacts on the ground!

      this is like nyc - and it is like the old south where everyone knew what everyone else was doing.  it actually builds community - and when we lose one of our own.

      mary, across the street, passed last week and the entire town is in mourning.  she was 70 - the family is struggling to find a venue large enough to hold all those who want to say goodbye - we're all bringing food in the tradition of sharing after the service.  our block will ALWAYS be known as "mary's block".  all you had to do was say that was where you lived and everyone knew exactly where to find you!

      small town hopes and dreams - and struggles with poverty, gangs, young people who are lost - and those who are finding their way.

      in e.p.a., ikea built a large store - hired locally, as did home depot and several other businesses.  the mcdonalds where the shooting took place is staffed by the local young people and some older folks - all who live here.  i go there for their beautiful smiling greetings as much as for the "senior coffee" - they brighten my day.

      i was so worried that the folks that work there had been injured.  it is bad enough that anyone was hurt, but the idea of MY mcdonald's kids being hurt was unbearable.

      tonite, the news said that it appears to be gang related - that two of the injured are known gang members.  

      the rest - caught in the crossfire from a car driving by and shooting at other kids.  it breaks my heart...

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Sun May 05, 2013 at 11:17:54 PM PDT

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      •  I'm just glad you are safe. I used to live (22+ / 0-)

        in E Palo Alto when I tutored at Stanford. I remember hearing "POP-POP" there. Apart from that I loved it. Now I live in Richmond/San Pablo. I love it here also, but still there's "POP-POP."

        I'm not shy about calling the police when there's a problem in hood. Around here they've always been professional (courteous, brave, honest, etc) in the interactions I've had with them. Sadly, some of my neighbors had different experiences with them. I know I have at protests where police were used in force. Many times.

        You can palpably feel the difference in communities where the police have the trust of a community vs communities where people don't trust the police. Sometimes just 1 or 2 bad officers can cause a lot of loss of trust, especially if the dept doesn't self-correct.

        If community members are afraid to call police (fear of deportations or arrest on unassociated charges) with tips, the police are ham-strung.

        Yesterday, 2 officers stood around for 30 minutes ensuring the daughter of a family across the way got her stuff out of the house without any more physical abuse from the dad. That was excellent work.

        Hope to see you at the Powwow.

        America's greatest political dynasty...the Kaan

        by catilinus on Sun May 05, 2013 at 11:51:45 PM PDT

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        •  ah, what part of epa were ya? ursula here... (7+ / 0-)

          the police dept does a great job here - both in working with the gang task force and in community relations.  the entire town was grief stricken when officer may was killed.  he was such a part of the community - the impromptu memorial was huge near the police dept.

          they've got their work cut out for them - as you well know.  it is getting better, but it's an uphill battle.

          richmond is no picknick, either...  

          you're right about a few bad apples - sadly, many don't realize that those apples turn bad when overwhelmed by so much violence and unnecessary death and injury - the emotions have to be shut down to survive - and that's when it gets bad.

          ny is another example - in the bronx, in areas that are war zones, the pd have more ptsd to deal with and it affects them, after a while.

          it's hard to see so much that is bad without losing faith in humanity - cynicism sets in and then the trouble follows.

          fortunately, here, the police force is so small and is so community involved, they are too connected with everyone to turn sour... from the elderly who've been here their entire lifetimes to the new shining faces of the kids at ceasar chavez - there is still a belief in this little town.

          good for the two officers yesterday - those are the ones who are there when the situation is hot - and, sadly, they sometimes end up shot for it.  folks need to understand that any group is made up of individuals - can't put all of them in the same bucket.

          there are good and there are bad - get rid of the bad but give the good credit where it's due!

          am planning on going to the pow wow - what days are you going and what time?  km me and i'll give you my number so we can meet up, if you like!

          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 02:39:01 AM PDT

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    •  where would you prefer... (0+ / 0-)

      that felons with alcohol/drug problems go?

      would you rather they go off to an island? or should be incarcerated forever?

      did you ever wonder for a second how it feels to be a convicted felon? how you're cast aside by so much of society that all you have left is drugs and alcohol to get through the day?

      this kind of dismissal of humans who make mistakes and suffer with legitimate life problems, who are then oppressed by the police-state instead of given the help they need, sickens me.

      Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

      by aguadito on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:15:04 AM PDT

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      •  um, you make a lot of assumptions here... (32+ / 0-)

        so let me offer a bit of insight.

        two of the housemates (there are four of us total in this house) are convicted felons.  both for drug use.

        one comes off parole in a few days - the other in a few months.  one is actively working her program and is active in counselling young high school students on how drugs can REALLY screw up one's life and goals and future.

        the other one, he isn't working a program - he is biding time - whether or not he stays clean is a toss up.  he just had a major cancer scare - four tumors removed from his stomach - had a stroke, has high blood pressure and had two additional stints added to the one he already had within the last two months.

        my friend who rented them rooms at incredibly low rent to give them a stable drug free environment to try to get their lives together (yes, she really IS a saint, btw), gains nothing from helping.  the rent?  they don't pay for utilities, toilet paper, soap, etc... so the rent is negligible.  they have been given a chance.

        this is east palo alto.  the place where people help each other if the ones being helped are really trying.

        so, no one is thrown off this island.  they may LEAVE the "island" if they don't want to help themselves - and it may be involuntarily... but watching my neighbors who have battled with addiction and overcome it is watching people at their worst AND best.

        so, don't give me that "police-state" crap, either.  the cops here are the first to try to help the overdose - are the first to try to give people who are trying all the help they need.

        your view of the world is distorted - come live in MY neighborhood for a while - and, yes, i have been pulled over for the legendary "light over the license plate is out" routine - why? because i am driving a 97 red mustang convertible whose white top looks like tan ( barn dust) that matches the red mustang convertible with the TAN top that is driven by a possible drug dealer around the corner.  did i mind?  nope.  

        and did i enjoy teasing the young cop who was startled to see this 67 yr old face and who then asked whose car it was.  when i pointed out that the car is mine and that i am the ham operator belonging to my specialty license plate, we talked yaesu handheld radios cuz he's a ham, too.

        he's out there trying to deal with a town with a major drug problem - a major gang problem - a major GUN problem - he's doing his job to make the neighborhood safe for the rest of us at risk to his own life.

        so, again, don't hand me that police state crap.  and don't hand me that "did you ever wonder for a second ..."  that answer is no, because i can just ask either of my housemates or the neighbor down the block when i want to know.

        so there...... my advice to you is "don't assume..."

        EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

        by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:30:15 AM PDT

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        •  is this some kind of joke? (3+ / 0-)
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          read your own comment:

          "two of the housemates (there are four of us total in this house) are convicted felons.  both for drug use."

          Don't you see something obviously wrong with people being felons for DRUG USE?! And how is that NOT a police state? They drown people with drug problems with legal fees and push them into the whole prison-industrial complex from the lawyers to courts to private prisons.

          Obviously cops do some good every now and then, but the larger system is completely corrupt, demonizes people with drug addictions by criminalizing them instead of helping them, and all the while you sit here and talk about these evil "drug dealers" and "convicted felons for drug use".

          It's absolutely absurd that you would claim my view is distorted while you're praising a corrupt police-state for pulling you over for a license plate light because your car looked like "a possible drug dealer around the corner"?

          What on earth is the matter with you people, DRUGS are not the problem, the judicial system and greater police state which creates the cycle of criminalizing addicts, harassing them, and putting undue pressure on them which leads them to go back to using because the stress of being a felon and having everyone hound you with court fees and other nonsense is too much to handle.

          So no, your view is the one that is distorted, not mine.

          Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

          by aguadito on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:36:42 AM PDT

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          •  "you people"???? (21+ / 0-)

            dear, i've got a helluva lot better handle on reality than you do, based on this post.

            this conversation is now over... unless you can come back with less hysterics and more facts.

            good night

            EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

            by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:48:51 AM PDT

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            •  you degraded the tone... (2+ / 0-)
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              ...when you called my worldview distorted.

              own up to your rhetoric and your ridiculously illogical train of thought.

              enjoy getting pulled over and thanking the cops for mistaking you for an "evil possible drug dealer around the corner".

              and enjoy tacitly endorsing your fellow citizens becoming felons because of drug use -- really logical and civil society that you're working to foster.

              tootles.

              Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

              by aguadito on Mon May 06, 2013 at 04:07:55 AM PDT

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            •  oh and (0+ / 0-)

              insulting my handle on reality?

              lol, you're the one who seems puzzled that young people around you are suffering economically and socially, all the while cheering on the police-state and the drug war that marginalizes your fellow citizens. oh yes, it's the drugs fault! not the fact that casual drug users (or even addicts) are being labeled as felons which limits their potential in society. but no, i get it, blame the victim, blame the addict, blame personal responsibility -- whatever helps you sleep at night.

              i'm surprised you can even wake up and make breakfast with such a tenuous grip on morality and reality, frankly.

              Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

              by aguadito on Mon May 06, 2013 at 04:10:54 AM PDT

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          •  Stupid fucked-up drug laws (6+ / 0-)
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            ..do not a police state make. Nor is enforcement of existing law, which has some seriously stupid areas, tantamount to corruption.

            Cogito, ergo Democrata.

            by Ahianne on Mon May 06, 2013 at 07:23:54 AM PDT

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            •  where are you from? Somalia? (2+ / 0-)
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              Your standard for a police state must be really low -- we're spending over $200 billion now on the whole police-courts-public prison complex (almost half of what we're spending on the military-industrial complex!), pre-Reagan that was under $20 billion -- the population growth and inflation have NOT accounted for a 10 fold increase.

              and wtf, "enforcement of existing law" ? lol do you realize how absurd some of the laws are that are being enforced?

              All those lawyer/cop/bondsman/prison workers -- there's such a corrupt for-profit industry in the whole chain.

              And now after PATRIOT ACT and this continuation of NDAA, our civil liberties are being stamped on and they're wiping their ass with the constitution, killing Americans abroad with drones, spying on our communications.

              I'm amused you simply refer to drug laws as stupid while ignoring all the evidence of our over-imprisoning, over-spending, the entire for-profit industry within the corrupt complex.

              I guess it's hurts more to acknowledge the truth that we're an oligarchical police state and people with money generally are insulated enough to put up with the occasional run-in with the law. Eventually it will catch up to most of us.

              It reminds me of the Republicans last year -- "what polls saying Obama is leading? Obama isn't leading."  Denial of reality doesn't make reality go away.

              Here's some required reading for you to help you get informed:

              1st - It Can't Happen Here by Sinclair Lewis -- this is just to get your juices flowing, to make some basic theoretical connections.

              Sheldon Wolin's Democracy Inc.

              And Mike Gray's "Drug Crazy" (a comprehensive study with all the facts you need to learn).

              And if you don't believe in the corruption going on? Boy I got news for you. Have you not read Lawrence Lessig's book Republic Lost? Or Bartels' Unequal Democracy?  

              There are judges who have gone to prison for participating in scams to send kids to private prisons for kickbacks.

              The corruption is pathogenic, endemic within our society -- you have to really have a narrow media absorption to not know about the systemic corruption.

              Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

              by aguadito on Mon May 06, 2013 at 10:26:17 AM PDT

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            •  and here's (2+ / 0-)
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              a piece Chris Hedges wrote that I was trying to find before:

              http://dprogram.net/...

              The Shame of America's Gulag

              Ignore all the data on how we incarcerate over 20% of the world's prison population but have only 4% of the world population.

              Ignore the expenditures on police/judicial complex that exceed third world war-torn nations.

              But read the damn article and at least try to find the human within you that can understand what's happening in your own country to your neighbors who don't have the privilege of trying to "wish away" the police-state out of existence.

              Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

              by aguadito on Mon May 06, 2013 at 10:30:57 AM PDT

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      •  oh, and you must have missed the point in my (7+ / 0-)

        diary where i speak of the poverty, the lack of hope, the bleak future many young people have in my town...

        EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

        by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:31:07 AM PDT

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        •  that's because you endorse the criminalization... (0+ / 0-)

          ...of their health problem (addiction, depression, anxiety).

          you're part of the problem.

          Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

          by aguadito on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:37:21 AM PDT

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          •  that seems unlikely (15+ / 0-)
            We need to help stop the war on drugs

            Which would stop those kinds of shoot outs.

            Make them legal, treat them like alcohol is treated = stopping the violence....

            by splashy on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 01:36:40 PM EDT

            i totally agree - but the sad reality is that if

            that were done overnight, economies of many nations would collapse!...

            the  "war on drugs" is all about money - that hidden empire built on the backs of the users....

            by edrie on Thu Sep 06, 2012 at 05:20:40 PM EDT

            Election protection: there's an app for that! -- and a toll-free hotline: 866-OUR-VOTE
            Better Know Your Voting System with the Verifier!

            by HudsonValleyMark on Mon May 06, 2013 at 04:35:21 AM PDT

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            •  wow - you remember that? (14+ / 0-)

              thank you for linking that comment - i suggest everyone read james mills book "the underground empire" - he is an investigtive reporter who went into the undergound to examine the impact of drugs on the economy of nations like mexico and other nations.  the total economic impact of ending the "war" would be to bankrupt many of these nations because the bulk of their gdp comes from the monies laundered by drug cartels.

              the real problems that arise, the violence, the wrecked lives, the crimes commited because of addiction (both from the use of pharmaceuticals and alcohol) is devastating to those who are addicted.

              i have NO problem seeking the removal of the dealers from neighborhoods... most are not users - they are abusers AND they are violent.

              the shooting today is thought to be gang related - many of the gang turf wars are over drug distribution.  the "business" of illegal drugs is destroying entire generations of young people.  there is no simplistic answer to this problem. legalization and control is one option, but implementing that solution won't happen overnight.  turning a blind eye to the side effects of drug addiction (thefts, break-ins, violence and abuse) won't solve the problem, either.

              what really worries me is the new generation of drugs available are so much more dangerous than in the sixties and seventies.    some of the pharmaceuticals produce bizarre and psychotic reactions (the incident of the man who tried to "eat" the face of another in l.a. while on bath salts comes to mind).

              yet, our friend above wants to simply "legalize" drugs without considering the consequences?  that same poster admits to be registered as a libertarian - no government - no regulations?  isn't that the mantra?

              i'm tired.  a grandmother and 6 yr old were hurt today along with 4 other young men - one seriously.  gunfire is common around here.  a few houses down, a neighbor was shot and killed in front of his own home - no one knows who did it or why.  another man was shot sat. nite in front of his house.  a van pulled up and someone inside shot him.  he's in serious condition.

              so, do i mind the occasional "tail light is broken" stop?  not at all.  it is a game of cat and mouse around here because of the dealers... and the meth users (like the one who set fire to the house next door while squatting after the house was foreclosed.  why was it foreclosed?  because shorty was in jail for dealing meth.

              so, who's the victim here?  i say there are enough victims to go around... i have sympathy for those who are trying to get their lives back on track.  i don't have sympathy for those who don't care enough for others around them and themselves to take help when it is offered.

              we all make choices - some better than others...

              james mills - underground empire- should be required reading for all!  register for a virtual library card and it's a free download....

              EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

              by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 05:12:03 AM PDT

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              •  evidence that you really still don't get it (0+ / 0-)
                the shooting today is thought to be gang related - many of the gang turf wars are over drug distribution.  the "business" of illegal drugs is destroying entire generations of young people
                blah blah blah, blame the drugs, etc.

                the illegalization of drugs is what is destroying the generations. demonizing users of drugs, addicts is what causes many in our society to be marginalized.

                you refer to people who "deal meth" as if they are child rapists, it's your thinking that is warped. and your (and others) willingness to give up basic rights for a false sense of security is what has led us to develop into a disgraceful police state.

                so while you're worried about "new drugs", i'm worried about the complacency and lack of understanding of the system, as represented by your ill-informed opinion, which is incrementally giving more and more of our rights away.

                side note: while I'm a registered Libertarian (something that I've merely just not changed since I registered in 2008) -- it's not indicative of my views if you would actually view past diaries i've written about my views on things.

                Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

                by aguadito on Tue May 07, 2013 at 02:36:03 AM PDT

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                •  you come into this diary repeatedly to make (1+ / 0-)
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                  spurious claims.  you have repeatedly said i made statements i have not made, you try to assign motivation to the comments YOU state that i made (but never did) and you try to stir controversy.

                  either you have difficulty with reading comprehension or you are only here to stir up trouble (choosing the nicer word here).

                  what ever it is, you are seriously out of line and you need to stop being a dick in someone else's diary.  every other person here has shown respect and has discussed ISSUES.  you have chosen repeatedly to make personal attacks and have furthered nothing in this discussion.  

                  either you choose to participate in a discussion of the issue at hand or get the hell out of this diary!  your immature insults are childish and non-productive - unless your goal is to try to start a fight... and, frankly, it won't happen with me because i will not respond to your lies and distortions again.

                  EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

                  by edrie on Tue May 07, 2013 at 11:43:41 AM PDT

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                  •  wrong (0+ / 0-)

                    I've repeatedly put forth quantitative and qualitative arguments against your opinions.

                    Obviously you were shellshocked to see that someone wasn't cheering on your police-state-worship, but that's no excuse to:

                    1) Avoid responding to my points made (and i've put forth numerous in the comments to this diary).

                    2) Playing the victim by insinuating that I've falsely quoted you or mis-represented your opinion (at just the right time too -- when you're put on the spot to defend your views).

                    It doesn't really matter, in the end you're part of the Boomers, or as they're going to be referred to in history The Worst Generation.  The people who didn't have the intelligence or the guts to fight the drug war, neo-liberalism, and the police-state and military-industrial complex. Essentially, you can't really be reasoned with, you were raised in a two-party system and so you have two-party mindset.

                    Eventually the wrong-headed people from your failed generation will be gone and one can only hope it will usher in a new age of enlightenment.

                    Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

                    by aguadito on Tue May 07, 2013 at 02:00:58 PM PDT

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            •  WA and CO doing our part (8+ / 0-)

              by decriminalizing marijuana last fall. It is absurd to ruin people's lives and fill prisons around pot possession. Legalization can also boost local economies and spur new businesses.

  •  This.... (27+ / 0-)
    when the young people under fire in east palo alto say simply that guns should be illegal, the legislators should damn well listen.

    when the priest of st. francis of assissi down the block is distressed over the failure of congress to address assault weapons and guns, the legislators should damn well listen.

    Glad you're ok edrie! This fight isn't over. It's just beginning.

    if a habitat is flooded, the improvement for target fishes increases by an infinite percentage...because a habitat suitability index that is even a tiny fraction of 1 is still infinitely higher than zero, which is the suitability of dry land to fishes.

    by mrsgoo on Sun May 05, 2013 at 10:56:59 PM PDT

  •  Talk to the boss. (14+ / 0-)
    when the priest of st. francis of assissi down the block is distressed over the failure of congress to address assault weapons and guns, the legislators should damn well listen.
    Talk to his superiors, too many of whom are shills for the GOP because of its position on contraception, abortion and marriage equality trumping all.  They bear some responsibility (not all) for the GOP success in 2010.

    I'm glad that you're safe, and hope that your neighbors never have to go through that again.

    "Politics should be the part-time profession of every citizen who would protect the rights and privileges of free people and who would preserve what is good and fruitful in our national heritage." -- Lucille Ball

    by Yamaneko2 on Sun May 05, 2013 at 11:18:21 PM PDT

    •  this particular priest is not the problem - he is (15+ / 0-)

      the one who ministers to these troubled kids and their parents when they have to bury one they have lost.

      he is with us - he is upset and quietly angered at the rejection of the gun legislation.  he is upset about assault weapons - he questions why they are made and says to me that it is all about money and profit for those who make them.

      he is on our side of these issues - and he is on the ground on the forefront of these problems.

      sadly, we will go through this again - over and over, until the real issues of poverty are addressed.

      these kids see no future other than the "now" - they don't see a society that will allow them to grow and flourish - they only see dead end of prison or dead, so they live for the now.

      their "families" are the gang members who look out for them.  no one else does.  the families can't - they are trying so hard to make the rent, pay the bills, put food on the table.

      the gangs around here are either latino or african american - and they fight each other - when they are not fighting among their own little groups.

      last night, another man was shot in e.p.a. - the neighbor who spoke of it said some speculated that this might have been retaliation for that shooting.  the police said they don't have enough information yet to confirm that - but it is part of the pattern... one gang shoots someone, the other gang retaliates - then the first one responds to the second.

      this reminds me so much of the mafia wars when i lived in ny.  i lived 4 blocks from where joey gallo (gambino family) was shot.  the social club next door to my building became the drive by target for his gang coming to fire on the genovese "family" members in the club.

      joey flaunted his "power" by celebrating his birthday at umberto's clam house on mulberry st., well inside the genovese turf - not a smart move for crazy joe.  it was his last move.

      up until the gallo murder (at umberto's clam house on mulberry st), little italy was the safest place in the city to live.  not afterward.

      i moved within the week.

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Sun May 05, 2013 at 11:42:08 PM PDT

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  •  I've had good and bad experiences with police (9+ / 0-)

    Have you ever had a bad experience? I've had a lot of contact with police due to my activism.

    The problem is when police abuse the authority with which they are trusted. And the problem is when officials such as mayors or the executive branch use the police force for political purposes.

    And yes, sometimes they really do help. But that does not justify the harassment and persecution of people due to political beliefs.

    When they do good things, that should be recognized. But when they get off track and hurt people, or suppress dissent, that should be recognized as well.

    "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

    by ZhenRen on Mon May 06, 2013 at 12:05:54 AM PDT

    •  yep. when i travelled in my rv, was repping (16+ / 0-)

      MoMA, and would have hotshots come and try to bully me to move immediately (with the engine running, lights on and sitting very visible while sorting greeting card stock to show the next day).  seaside, ca.

      called his watch commander who tried to tell him to ticket me for "sleeping" in an rv  (with the engine running, lights on and sitting very visible while sorting greeting card stock to show the next day).  when i asked him if he REALLY intended to ticket me for "sleeping" under those circumstances (sitting in kmart parking lot while it was open) - he snarled that i had one hour to move.

      i did, next door to a privately owned gas station who "invited" me to stay the night - then threw the cop off the property when he tried to make an issue of my parking there overnight.

      that night, i called bernie ward's show to talk about the incident, where he then called the seaside cops "jackbooted thugs" and told everyone not to shop or stay in seaside!

      the next morning, i immediately went to the police captain's office, patiently waited until he saw me and told him of the incident.  he had heard about the kgo coverage already.  he apologized profusely and told me not to worry about being stopped again.  told him i didn't trust his "officers" not to try to pull something in retaliation.  he gave me his personal telephone number and said if i EVER got stopped again, call him - at any hour.

      i don't take crap from anyone.  i do it "legally" but i make an issue out of abuse.  a BIG issue.

      polite, courteous and legal - i fight back with intensity.

      that isn't the only time... btw.

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 02:45:00 AM PDT

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    •  Yes, as I read I was pondering the difference (4+ / 0-)

      between the heroes in Edrie's neighborhood and the police state evidenced by those responding to Occupy protests.

      Cats are better than therapy, and I'm a therapist.

      by Smoh on Mon May 06, 2013 at 07:09:29 AM PDT

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      •  In a police state the police do much the (2+ / 0-)
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        same type of good things as the police do here. They are just also responsible for a lot of bad things as well. And they are lionized by the press and the government just as here. The police in the US are the front line of the incredibly racist drug war and are responsible for the largest prison population in the world.

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Mon May 06, 2013 at 09:11:09 AM PDT

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  •  I am an extremist when it comes to guns. (16+ / 0-)

    I think the government has the right to know anything they want about any weapon within its borders, that whole well regulated thing.  What it is, where it is, and who has it.  That would be my starting point in negotiations

    It is hard work being in law enforcement or as a first responder.  They are people who never get paid enough by virtue of the fact they are the ones who will run into a buring building to save my sorry butt and I can't say I would do the same.  (I do recognize police issues with abuse of authority and civil rights abuses does knock them off the pedestal I may put them on)

    To not know me but still be willing to put your life on the line for me, I want you to have a raise and then another one.  Anything you want I want you to have, just to say thank you.

    Being against gun control makes it really, really, hard to believe you are a prolife family values kind of person..

    by fromma on Mon May 06, 2013 at 12:13:08 AM PDT

    •  the priest was supportive of registration - i (5+ / 0-)

      suggested serial numbers and registering bullets to track them back to the purchaser.  there is no reason "lot numbers" or sku numbers can't be added to boxes of rounds and then the purchaser has to sign for them, much like controlled prescription drugs.

      if we have to register a friggin' car - we should have to register a gun and its ammo - AND there should be mandatory licensing and training thrown in.

      for assault weapons, perhaps a visit to the morgue would be included!

      i feel as you do about officers... even those who have soured on the job... look at WHY they are so cynical.  shutting down feelings is the only way to cope when faced with the horrific situations they face (same with firefighters and paramedics).

      these are the true heros - imho - those who are willing to die to protect others... so i am willing to cut a whole lot of slack in some cases.

      now, the jackass who pepper sprayed the sitting davis students?  not so much.

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 02:49:19 AM PDT

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    •  There are some places where the public (1+ / 0-)
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      pension obligations of fire and police are pushing the city towards bankruptcy.  This going too far, IMHO, but I get your point.  Also agree that registering guns ought to be part of the well regulated.

      •  btw, did you know that the average life (1+ / 0-)
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        expectancy of a fire fighter is 50?  why? because of all the noxious chemicals and fumes they breath in - even with respirators.

        i don't think the pensions of firefighters will break any budget since there aren't a whole lot of 90 yr old retired firefighters around.

        where did i get my info?  from a firefighter who was sadly pointing out the shortened life spans of those who do this job out of passion.  they pay a heavy price.

        for the police officers and other first responders - we seldom address the ptsd these folk experience from situations like the one that occurred two days ago on the san mateo bridge.

        a limo carrying ten nurses to a bridal shower for one of them caught fire - by the time the driver stopped, he pulled four women through the privacy screen - one got out by the door - five died - including the bride.

        the firefighters and police and first responders said it was the worst they'd ever seen - theirs are the nightmares... as are the first responders in newtown, aurora and everywhere there are horrible incidents of natural disaster or man-made ones.

        we can't give them enough, imho.  would you do the job for that pension?  i know i couldn't.

        EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

        by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 01:36:49 PM PDT

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  •  Thank you for this informative diary, edrie. (10+ / 0-)

    I hope all those who spend so much time here complaining about the "police state" (including someone who has a diary up mocking the officers profiled on 60 Minutes this week for their efforts to address gang violence in Springfield, MA) will take a moment to read and reflect upon your words.

    It would be nice if there were no need ever for SWAT teams and such, but reality is reality.

    •  thank you - there is always another side to every (6+ / 0-)

      coin - and we're one of those sides.  nothing is ever so cut and dried to make every situation comparable.

      it was in this vein that i wanted to do this TTP diary - because i really DO thank them profusely for being there so quickly when we need them.

      i told every one of them i talked to today that very thing:  THANK you for being here for us!

      oh, and i also tell our firefighters that when ever they are in the area.  can't say it enough, imho.

      the paramedics i don't see that often, except for the firefighter ones.

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 02:51:26 AM PDT

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  •  East Palo Alto is an island (14+ / 0-)

    It's getting better.

    17 Years ago, I had a job selling direct mail advertising in Palo Alto (before Ikea and Home Depot). The part of Palo Alto that contained Stanford University. These folks had money. An 800 square foot house would sell for $900,000 back then. In East Palo Alto, across the freeway, an 800 square foot house would sell for $60,000. You could hit a 6 iron between the two houses. Unreal. It was literally the richest Bay Area market right next to the poorest Bay Area market.

    I had a client, a carpet cleaner, who asked if we could advertise to East Palo Alto. He was the only guy who ever asked to advertise there. We didn't serve that market. I told him that those folks tended to not have the disposable income to make it worth while compared to the regular Palo Alto market. After all, we were trying to support businesses that sold dry cleaning, pizza and auto repair. Rich folks needed that kind of stuff. East Palo Alto was considered the murder capital of the Bay Area.

    He said that he had gone into the East Palo Alto market and had done quite well. Those folks also needed dry cleaning, pizza and auto repair. The difference was that the East Palo Alto homeowners tended to own their homes outright. No mortgage. They had an unexpected disposable income that no one knew about. He was right.

    What it came down to was, who was brave enough to venture into this town and service their community? This particular client was a white immigrant from Germany and didn't listen to the media reports about the bad neighborhoods of East Palo Alto. He just went in and did his job and made his living.


    i just baptized andrew breitbart into the church of islam, planned parenthood, the girl scouts and three teachers unions. - @blainecapatch

    by bobinson on Mon May 06, 2013 at 01:06:08 AM PDT

    •  he was a smart man! did you know that there (9+ / 0-)

      was NO grocery store in the entire neighborhood until a few years ago?  when circuit city went bankrupt, a large spanish market moved in - they are gorgeous - great food, great prices - a hot table service in the store with great offerings!

      we got our first branch of a bank about the same time - it has now gone big bank instead of little local one that supported local community members who couldn't get a regular checking account because of being on check systems.

      we're growing - we've got condos, we've got new houses going up - but the old guard still lives here with really neat houses from the 60s that are under $250,000 still.

      people take pride in their yards, their houses - they take pride in their neighborhood - and in OUR neighborhood.  i've been staying in this area on and off for the last 16 years - it's still one of my favorite in california.

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 02:56:15 AM PDT

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      •  Talk about gentrification (2+ / 0-)
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        That little part of EPA that is on the west side of 101 was once called Whiskey Row. It was a city block made up of nothing but dive bars and liquor stores. When I say dive bar I mean a real one. Not one of these trendy hipster places that the college crowd hangs out at to be cool. It was rough.

        Now, it has been torn down and filled with high rise offices and, I shit you not, a Four Seasons Hotel.


        i just baptized andrew breitbart into the church of islam, planned parenthood, the girl scouts and three teachers unions. - @blainecapatch

        by bobinson on Mon May 06, 2013 at 09:12:28 AM PDT

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        •  yep - and that four seasons hired locally - the (1+ / 0-)
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          idea was to replace the strip that was part of the fire-fight zone with something that would benefit the community.  it isn't gentrification so much as adding a tax base to provide for better services for the residents of epa.

          there are now low cost housing units - not filled with the "new" "harlemites" that are taking over upper manhattan - rather, the people who stuck it out here in epa when times were horrid - these are the people filling those affordable units.

          this neighborhood is truly a mixed neighborhood - from african american, to latin, to tongan, to caucasian (my housemate has lived here 18 yrs - long before one would say it's "fashionable"... and, the majority of newcomers are minorities.  there are asians who bought the house across the street as an investment and rent it out to section 8 - not to the "gentrified".  this neighborhood is now and will remain for a long time one of the few last refuges for those of us who prefer a diverse living experience.  

          the ikea (diagonally across from the 4 seasons over 101) won out over a car dealership because of the number of people who would be employed.  ikea is an amazing employer - they offer full timers health care and part timers also a health care plan.  they pay higher than minimum wage and have given many in this town good jobs - not just on the bottom level, but managerial, as well (as has home depot).

          we now have a nordstrom's rack, sports authority, our mcdonald's and more - and the locals are the customer base.

          for those who are "business owners" who thought epa was a good investment, they are being proven right.  new restaurants, new shops, new services... including bus service that used to be spotty at best now runs overnight.

          what makes a town turn around are services that are provided for the residents - that builds the tax base and gives the means to provide that library, that fire dept with extra trucks and fire fighters, extra police who work the gang task force and the police explorers to counter the gang influence.

          epa is a town that is doing everything right - and the town will come out so much stronger for it - still with it's original residents sticking by the place where they've vested their lives.

          if i had money to buy a place, this is where i'd buy.  i like the spirit of epa - and i believe in the people who live here and are trying to make it better!

          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 12:36:18 PM PDT

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  •  Excellent diary--thanks for writing it (7+ / 0-)

    I just saw this! Damn scary stuff, edrie, good grief. Glad to hear the injured weren't too badly hurt, that your McD.'s personnel weren't in the line of fire at all, and--most of all--that *you * are okay, lady. Oy vey! (check your kosmail when you have a chance. ;))

    God bless our tinfoil hearts.

    by aitchdee on Mon May 06, 2013 at 02:06:25 AM PDT

    •  thanks, aitchdee - sorry about not catching this (4+ / 0-)

      earlier - got sidetracked watching the lausanne international ballet competition tape - then started reminiscing about the days i was one of the four tutu makers in ny....  

      saw some really talented young dancers on that video - think i'm gonna start going back to see performances again... even wanted to start sewing tutus (teh HORROR!!!!! AIIIEEEEEIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeee!)

      so, i rushed back to the diary before i did anything drastic - like ordering reams of tulle and net...

      heh heh heh ---- NO!  smack!  NO!  NO! NO!!!

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 02:58:46 AM PDT

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  •  Glad you're safe (9+ / 0-)

    I hope the young man who was seriously wounded will recovered.

    I've actually heard every one of the gunshots you list. When I first moved to my current address over ten years ago, the neighborhood was a drug war zone. A night didn't go by without gunfire. I witnessed a shoot out in the street in front of my house. Idiots spraying bullets wildly, blowing out car windows and flattening tires. One bullet penetrated the trunk of the car I'd parked in front of the house. I could hear the bullets whizzing through the leaves of the trees while I was face down hugging the floor in my living room. Thankfully, that was the sum total of the damage down.

    Things improved markedly after the Feds busted half the cops in our local precinct. Turned out they were thoroughly corrupt and up to their eyeballs in the local drug trade. Our streets were lawless for good reason. Our cops were just another drug gang, only worse because they abused their authority and betrayed the public trust.

    The trouble with police work is that it attracts both the best and the worst. Those who take "protect and serve" seriously and those only interested in serving themselves. Add to that the corrosive influence of the money generated by the misbegotten war on drugs and you have a recipe for disaster.

    Nothing human is alien to me.

    by WB Reeves on Mon May 06, 2013 at 02:37:13 AM PDT

    •  i know that diving to the floor routine. my second (5+ / 0-)
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      apt in the bay area was on o'keefe - and i was up a little bank in a two story - front door was sliding glass off the patio.

      when the automatic was going off, i was pinning the dogs to the floor to keep a low profile.  pinning four dogs isn't easy, btw, especially when they want to go SEE the excitement directly outside the entrance!  the slugs were on the sidewalk - but, fortunately for us, they weren't firing up - they were firing at someone in the next building.

      fortunately, too, they were terrible shooters... didn't hit anything.

      a few years back, a truck in front of this house ended up with bullet holes from a running battle.  fortunately, the folks who were the source have all moved now.  there are no more "crack houses" nearby - mostly families - working parents and young kids.  

      it's changing slowly... thankfully - and, our pd is very small and no chance of corruption.  they are very involved in making epa a really good place to live.  it takes a whole lot of effort, but they are doing it.

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:03:31 AM PDT

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      •  oh, okeefe was also epa but the OTHER side of the (1+ / 0-)
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        freeway... the supposedly "good" side.

        now, there's a huge luxury hotel on university on the west side of 101 and that helped clear out part of the troubled neighborhood on the west side.

        EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

        by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 03:04:41 AM PDT

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  •  Funny thing (4+ / 0-)
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    If you stop letting people walk around with guns ... it is safer for everyone, including the police. But then the police would not get to have all their fancy riot gear and high salaries.

    If you decriminalize drugs you don't need as many police or prisons or prison guards ... or guns.

    But heck all of that makes too much sense.

    Here is how to fix it:
    Legalize drugs, but tax them
    Ok guns, but tax the crap out of them (to pay for the real costs of guns - eg. police/emergency/medical/justice costs)

    If you can't get people to give stuff up, make it bloody expensive (kind of like smoking). Eventually the message gets through.

    There's room at the top they're telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill

    by taonow on Mon May 06, 2013 at 04:52:31 AM PDT

    •  i would be willing to bet you MY life that the (5+ / 0-)

      pd would gladly trade all that "fancy stuff" not to have to face the shattered bodies of young people on a regular basis.

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 05:13:42 AM PDT

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      •  Individual officers, some of them, perhaps (2+ / 0-)
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        But the police isn't just a bunch of individual officers, it's an institution led by people who are in that position because they were seeking power. Getting a person or a group to give up power is not that simple.

        If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

        by AoT on Mon May 06, 2013 at 09:14:18 AM PDT

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        •  that goes for any group identity - giving up (0+ / 0-)

          "power" - the folks of occupy are no different in that aspect.

          what makes society work is when we all talk with one another and try to find common ground.  simply labelling everyone with the same tag, painting everyone with the same brushstroke short circuits real and meaningful dialogue.

          and, i do disagree with your premise that the police isn't just a bunch of individual officers.  that's exactly what the "police" are - there IS not controlling body politic for it is the individual officer who is out there facing the semi automatic on that disturbance call or the shots in the dark from an unknown location.  it is one person who survives or who is wounded or who dies - not all in unison.

          and, the best way we can fight the worst ones in the pd is by eliciting the aid of once officer at a time.  there we can build enough support for those single officers to stand up against corruption within.

          officers do it - some openly and publically - others behind the scenes.  for those who don't stand up for the honor of their chosen profession, with OUR support, perhaps they will.

          but if the FTP crowd is the only voice heard, then what incentive do the good ones have to try to drive out the bad ones.

          not disappearing on you but have been up all night and need to crash out for a while.   catch your reply later...

          e

          EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

          by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 12:42:45 PM PDT

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          •  No, it's completely different (2+ / 0-)
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            The police are a formal institution given the right to kill by the state and given legitimacy by the same. I'm not labeling people, I'm pointing out that they are part of an institution that is racist, regardless of what their personal beliefs are. The difference between that and occupy is immense and comparing the two is absurd.

            and, the best way we can fight the worst ones in the pd is by eliciting the aid of once officer at a time.  there we can build enough support for those single officers to stand up against corruption within.
            Sure, that will help with corruption in the department. But that means they're still jailing huge numbers of people of color. Which you can't seem to talk about. They are bad because they support an institution that's bad. I'm sure they love dogs and are nice and all that, but then they enforce racist laws and support a racist institution. But you want to sweep that under the table and pretend like they are all just individuals.

            If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

            by AoT on Mon May 06, 2013 at 12:49:48 PM PDT

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            •  AoT, i think that by making these types of (0+ / 0-)

              generalizations and accusations, you are unfair to those who put their own lives on the line to protect yours.  did you see the picture of otteray scribe's daughter?  

              do you know the makeup of the epa pd?  how can you sweep everyone out the door because you mistrust (and mislabel) the police.  they are not a "formal institution" - the police are citizens within a community that are hired to keep the law... and it is by the law that we have civilized society.

              when the law is wrong, work to change it - but you cannot equate the police with unequal law.  they do not have the luxury of choosing which laws to ignore (although they do on occasion).  theirs is a sworn duty to uphold the law.

              without order, without enforcement of laws that prohibit violence against another, theft, even traffic - there would be chaos in society.  we no longer live in villages where shunning is sufficient to bring those who would do harm to account.

              when you state the police enforce "racist" laws - please be specific.  the police are enjoined to enforce ALL laws - it is up to the citizens through their votes to elect people who will appoint the legislature to alter those laws.

              it is easy to blame the police but it is wrong.  that people of color are prosecuted and meted harsher problems is not the responsibility of the police - it is the responsibility of the voters who elect prosecutors, d.a.'s, state representatives, governors and even presidents.  it is the responsibility of the jurors who mete out different verdicts for crack than cocaine because of who is doing the using.  it is a societal problem, not a police problem.  until people recognize this, nothing is going to change.

              the police are not those people and the police are NOT the problem.

              EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

              by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 01:11:21 PM PDT

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              •  They are a formal institution (1+ / 0-)
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                How can you even say otherwise? If you're willing to ignore that basic fact then there isn't any conversation to be had.

                it is easy to blame the police but it is wrong.  that people of color are prosecuted and meted harsher problems is not the responsibility of the police - it is the responsibility of the voters who elect prosecutors, d.a.'s, state representatives, governors and even presidents.
                So blame every single person except the people who are actually capturing and assaulting people? That makes no sense.
                when you state the police enforce "racist" laws - please be specific.  the police are enjoined to enforce ALL laws - it is up to the citizens through their votes to elect people who will appoint the legislature to alter those laws.
                Exactly, the police will enforce any law. They're just following orders and you will give them a pass for that. Yes, individual officers are individuals, but they are a member of a formal organization that has rules and requires that they do immoral things. It requires that they enforce racist laws as well. If they were merely individuals they wouldn't have the right to threaten my life for breaking the law. But they do have that right.
                the police are not those people and the police are NOT the problem.
                Yes, I know you think that. But I hold people to what they do. I don't just let them off because someone else told them to do it. You want to let them off the hook because they were told to do bad things by other, I don't.

                If debt were a moral issue then, lacking morals, corporations could never be in debt.

                by AoT on Mon May 06, 2013 at 01:27:20 PM PDT

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                •  bravo (0+ / 0-)
                  I don't just let them off because someone else told them to do it. You want to let them off the hook because they were told to do bad things by other, I don't.
                  Nice to see at least one other person in this diary who posesses the level of morality on par with the Nuremberg Trials.

                  It seems our post-9/11 torturing and dismantling of civil rights has desensitized people like the diarist whose standards are so low that they actually think people who "just follow orders" are innocent in this all.

                  This doctrine of "I'm just a soldier" is unacceptable. All stakeholders in the policestate and military-industrial-complex are responsible for the corrupt system.

                  Deficits don't matter, jobs do.

                  by aguadito on Tue May 07, 2013 at 02:28:41 AM PDT

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    •  Taxing guns (5+ / 0-)
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      as a defacto method of banning them will not pass constitutional muster. Allow only the rich to exercise an enumerated right?

      "A lie is not the other side of a story; it's just a lie."

      by happy camper on Mon May 06, 2013 at 05:49:11 AM PDT

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  •  "How many guns? All the guns in the world." (1+ / 0-)
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    London Bridge is Falling Down.

  •  okay - gonna be missing for a while - (4+ / 0-)

    been up all night and have a phys. therapy appt in a couple of hours.  have to decide whether to try to kick back two hrs sleep or stay awake al night.

    decisions, decisions....

    nite all - thanks for being here - it helps to have folks to talk with when something like this hapens...

    EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

    by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 05:41:38 AM PDT

  •  Thanks for posting this story. (18+ / 0-)

    I have a personal interest in this. I get damn tired of "all police are pigs and just want to hurt people" meme.  Of course there are a few bad apples, but all most officers want is a quiet uneventful shift and to go home to their families at the end of the shift. Some don't have that luxury.

    When my daughter puts on her duty belt and heads off to work in her red pickup truck, I don't rest well until she comes through the back door twelve hours later. For an officer, the worst day is one involving kids. Any time there is an auto crash and a Code Three comes over the radio, every officer says, deep down, "Please God, don't let there be kids in it."

    The worst call of all is, "Officer down."  

    This is my personal interest. She is 24.

    Rudeness is a weak imitation of strength. - Eric Hoffer

    by Otteray Scribe on Mon May 06, 2013 at 05:59:21 AM PDT

  •  TTP? glad it wasn't Thrombotic thrombocytopenic (3+ / 0-)
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    purpura...plasma exchange is so time consuming

  •  Thanks, edrie, for your words of compassion (4+ / 0-)

    for your community and for the police who are doing their damnedest to protect all of you.

    It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

    by Radiowalla on Mon May 06, 2013 at 06:46:26 AM PDT

    •  i hoped that this would help folks realize (2+ / 0-)
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      that the police are people who are in our community - they are our neighbors, our family, our friends.

      and they risk their lives to make ours safer.

      yes, there are a few who abuse the position, but most are decent people with a difficult job to do...

      and, i thank them for that.

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 01:44:21 PM PDT

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  •  "6 People Wounded in Shooting Outside.... (5+ / 0-)

    East Palo Alto McDonald’s

    Five people were shot and a young girl was injured in East Palo Alto Sunday after gunshots were fired into a crowd of people at a bus stop near a McDonald’s restaurant, according to fire officials.

    The incident was reported around 2:45 p.m. at a bus stop in front of the McDonald’s at 2401 University Avenue, according to Menlo Park Fire Department Chief Harold Shapelhouman. Police said a pair of shooters opened fire on the crowd, but there was no indication yet as to why....

    •  heard the shots - was one of the first ones who (2+ / 0-)
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      called it in - they hadn't gotten many calls yet - still trying to coordinate where the shots were fired.

      they responded within minutes - i can't tell you how unnerving it is to hear the first siren, then another and another and another - all within two blocks of where you are standing.

      we've got an amazing police force here in palo alto and menlo park - they work in a very difficult environment...

      and, we appreciate them more than i can ever describe here.

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 01:46:49 PM PDT

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  •  Funny to see this diary today. (3+ / 0-)
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    As I had to call the cops twice this weekend for people being stupid in my neighborhood.  Saturday night was a group of about ten who were screaming at each other the moment they walked out of the bar at close.  I could hear them all the way as they walked down one street and turned onto mine, because my neighborhood is quiet.  By the time they got to their houses across the corner from mine, they were still screaming and it sounded like a fight would break out.  I called the police and they arrived a minute or two later and yes indeed, by then a fight broke out and a woman went to jail.  I was concerned somebody would pull a gun as they all sounded drunk and belligerent.  Thankfully no shots fired.

    Last night was more of a nuisance call.  Again, across the corner (but not the same houses/people as Saturday) some folks were drunk and shouting and blaring loud music.  I let it go until about 11:30pm (I'm usually in bed by 9:00pm because I get up so damn early) at which point I finally called.  I told the dispatcher what was going on and said "I'm not trying to get anyone in trouble, but can someone go talk to them?  It's Sunday.  I get that it's Cinco de Mayo, but some of us are trying to sleep."  Not sure if police did show up because I finally fell asleep around midnight but the music didn't wake me up later so I imagine they did.

    I too grow tired of all the police-hate on DKos.  They're not all bad and they do good things.  Granted my complaints are so minor compared to six people being assaulted with gun violence.  Thank you for this reminder about the good work that some folks do.

    "I don't want a unicorn. I want a fucking pegasus. And I want it to carry a flaming sword." -mahakali overdrive

    by Silvia Nightshade on Mon May 06, 2013 at 09:01:17 AM PDT

    •  i posted to AoT about our e.p.a. officer who was (2+ / 0-)
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      killed in 2006 while responding to a disturbance call.  one of the men fighting pulled a semi automatic and shot him - officer may fired back, wounded him in the leg - then he walked over to the downed officer and shot him in the head at point blank range.

      i grow very tired of the petulance over officers assigned to crowd control and then, when certain elements within the crowd try to provoke something, it is never the protagonists' fault - it is only the officers assigned to maintain order.

      i'm starting to push back - the TTP (Thank the Police) diary is an effort to bring balance into this discussion that seems so one-sided of late.

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 01:50:49 PM PDT

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  •  Thank you for writing this (3+ / 0-)
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    {{edrie}}

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    by remembrance on Mon May 06, 2013 at 09:32:47 AM PDT

  •  You missed off "All of the above" (2+ / 0-)
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    ...on your poll. Terrifying to think people need one. Sad that I do, considering where I hail from originally.

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    by Freelance Escapologist on Mon May 06, 2013 at 10:09:21 AM PDT

  •  Edrie, let's be really generous here and (2+ / 0-)
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    presume that 95% of the men and women in blue understand and respect our civil rights, never abuse their authority, extend the same deference and presumption of innocence to economically disadvantaged people-of-color as they do to white, well dressed businessmen, etc. Just for shits and giggles let's pretend that's true.

    One of the reasons why it's fair and accurate to describe our society as a police state is that this 95% "Officer Do-Right" is just as guilty of shielding the few bad actors from accountability as are the other bad actors. They all link arms to maintain the inviolability of the Blue Wall.

    Now, if you think the most effective strategy for bringing a halt to police abuse of power is to "balance" that reporting with the message that, "It's not so bad - most of them don't do that," go for it.

    But if that's the strategy you choose to employ, do so with the full knowledge that every fucking one of them is guilty of enabling and encouraging illegal, abusive behavior with their refusal to hold the bad actors among them accountable.

    WTFWJD? LOTE? I sincerely doubt that.

    by WisePiper on Mon May 06, 2013 at 10:50:43 AM PDT

    •  your post deserves more thought than i can do (1+ / 0-)
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      right now on no sleep - if you'll forgive me, i'll defer until later on today/tonite to answer you - because you deserve a lucid response.

      so, if you don't mind waiting, i'll be back later after i get a bit of sleep...

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 02:00:43 PM PDT

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  •  You can take (1+ / 0-)
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    the girl out of the newsroom, but it's a whole lot harder to take the newsroom out of the girl.

    I've been known to do the same thing, but not in an urban shooting zone. Good for you.

    Good reporting.

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    by Mnemosyne on Mon May 06, 2013 at 10:59:49 AM PDT

    •  one of my favorite news reporting was years (1+ / 0-)
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      ago in ny when i was watching the st paddy's day parade.  when the cops tried to let the traffic cross the parade venue, a dull grey pickup suddenly turned onto the parade route and started barrelling down INTO the marchers.

      only in ny will a full band just simply split into two units and march around a truck headed straight at them - then seamlessly flow back into one unit.

      i called it into cbs radio network news where i worked part time - they put my description of the event on air - made the national spot all day.  i ALMOST got paid as a stringer until they realized i wasn't a regular reporter.  darn!

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 01:59:26 PM PDT

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    I saw this story on last night's news. I really appreciated reading your diary about it!

    There are, in every age, new errors to be rectified, and new prejudices to be opposed. ~Samuel Johnson (1709-1784)

    by slksfca on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:05:11 AM PDT

    •  yep. the news had it because i called the three (0+ / 0-)

      major stations. none of them were aware of it being a sunday no-news type of day.  all of them, kron, cbs and abc had news crews and cameras here within 30 minutes.  

      the idea is to get as much exposure as possible to make these types of incidents very unpopular with everyone.  

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 01:56:44 PM PDT

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  •  applause, edrie (2+ / 0-)
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    for your conscientious reportage.

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    by BlackSheep1 on Mon May 06, 2013 at 11:08:25 AM PDT

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    the real protection will come if they can identify the perps
    and arrest them.

    Hopefully the witnesses will be productive.

    •  they have witnesses and a description of the (2+ / 0-)
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      car - two young latino males - not releasing the car yet.  also, there are video cameras and tapes that are being reviewed.  i'm guessing from the mcdonald's drive through which is directly behind the glass bus shelter where the victims were sitting.

      will update when there 's more news, but i'm quite sure our guys will find the perps.  folks are tired of this - and, as evidenced by the young man who said to his friends "guns should be illegal" - someone will drop a dime on these bozos.

      EdriesShop Is it kind? is it true? is it necessary?

      by edrie on Mon May 06, 2013 at 01:54:38 PM PDT

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