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Senator Orrin Hatch (R-UT) talks to reporters during a series of votes in Washington December 17, 2011. The U.S. Senate voted on Saturday to extend a payroll tax cut for two months in legislation that also attempts to force President Barack Obama to appro
Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT)
Guest worker visas are resurfacing as one of the most contentious parts of immigration reform negotiations. Despite the compromise deal between the Chamber of Commerce and the AFL-CIO that went into the bipartisan Senate proposal, there are a number of Republican efforts to increase numbers of guest worker visas or weaken oversight of the programs.

The Senate bill increases the number of H1B visas for higher-skilled workers from 85,000 to 135,000, but pairs that increase with a requirement that companies actually try to find workers in the U.S. before recruiting abroad. It also includes a 15,000-worker cap on construction visas. Republican senators are planning to offer amendments weakening the limits on both of those. Texas Sen. John Cornyn will try to lift the construction-worker cap, while Utah's Orrin Hatch is focused on H1B visas:

One of Hatch’s amendments would require employers to show a U.S. worker wasn’t available only when a foreign employee is initially hired, not with each visa extension. Another would allow individuals who intend to immigrate to the U.S. to be counted as U.S. workers under certain circumstances.
Because to Republicans, regardless of what unemployment looks like in the United States, companies should still always be able to shop around for the cheapest worker available in the entire world. If you're not sold on the degree to which expanding guest worker programs is a problem for workers who are in the U.S. to stay, consider this juxtaposition: Republicans want fewer immigrants with the opportunity to become citizens, and more guest workers. That's not random coincidence.

Meanwhile, despite these and dozens of other Republican efforts to weaken or outright kill immigration reform in the Senate, somehow it's Democratic Sen. Patrick Leahy's amendment to bring marriage equality to immigration, allowing U.S. citizens to sponsor their same-sex spouses, that keeps being labeled a deal-breaker.

Republicans do have a couple unions on their side in opposing immigration reform, though. While the AFL-CIO and SEIU have been pushing hard for meaningful reform with a path to citizenship, the unions that represent immigration and customs workers are vocally opposed to the Senate bill.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Mon May 20, 2013 at 07:46 AM PDT.

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  •  amurikans are too stupid and lazy to work...n/t (1+ / 0-)
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    ''A conservative is a man with two perfectly good legs who, however, has never learned to walk forward.'' FDR

    by lostinamerica on Mon May 20, 2013 at 07:50:38 AM PDT

  •  It is a travesty that Americans have not (17+ / 0-)

    put 2 and 2 together and have not begun chasing republicans down the street.

    For that is what truly should happen to them for working SO FUCKING HARD to KILL our jobs.

    These motherfuckers whine and howl about immigration but they want to keep Americans OUT OF WORK by bringing in people from OTHER COUNTRIES?

    I hope each day Americans connect the dots and do the right thing.

    •  I am losing my job - for the 6th time in 20 years (12+ / 0-)

      on Friday the 31st.

      I share the outrage of others who struggle to work in this country while republicans are fully focused on screwing it blind and then calling us "moochers" because we will have to rely on unemployment.

      Until this country is regularly disrupted  a thousand times per day for months on end, nothing will change because nothing will FORCE the necessary changes.

      And those changes will either be FORCED or they will never occur.

    •  These kind of sentiments really scare me (0+ / 0-)

      I'm sure it wasn't your intention, but IMO it's not very far from this kind of comment to move to attacking those evil "foreigners" to move to "keep America American."

      When my ancestors came to the US around the turn of the 20th century they were poor. They didn't have great skills. They weren't "white American" (Jews weren't really considered white from what I understand). Now that I'm American, how can I turn around and say "THEY WANT TO BRING IN FOREIGNERS?!?!"

      I understand H1B isn't for immigration. I also understand that the H1B system has a lot of problems. But this country was built by foreign workers since the day it was founded.

      Oh, and I know a lot of H1B recipients (not even in computer science fields). They work hard, pay taxes, and usually just want to stay here at least another year. Many of them eventually want to stay here, although many don't. I'm not going to blame 85,000 people for the massive unemployment in this country.

      When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

      by PhillyJeff on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:29:51 AM PDT

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      •  They want to stay... (4+ / 0-)

        I don't think the poster is trying to say something negative about the guest workers on the H1B visas. I think he's pointing out that at every turn, Republicans seem to be trying to hurt our economy. On one hand, they complain about people too lazy to find work at the same time that these "small businesses" are lobbying to allow them to insource workers that are doing the higher wage jobs for less than Americans that are here and out of work. Even still, can you honestly say there are more high paying jobs that are going unfilled than lower? Why else are they looking for 85k workers for H1B but only 15K as the limit for construction? Through both scenarios, they want those people contributing to the economy but never getting to become citizens and vote. Wrong on every level.

      •  We still had a frontier back then (4+ / 0-)

        There is one big difference between now and then.  Yes, my ancestors came from Norway and settled in Iowa.  But guess what, Iowa was empty then.  (Well, emptied of Native Americans).  Be that as it may, when my great-great grandfather came here, there was empty land waiting to be farmed.  Imigrants at that point were doing new work, and building communities.

        But there is no frontier today.  There is no empty land with no one living in it.  Today when an imigrant comes and takes a job, he gets that job because a corporation is exploiting his desperation and uses that to pay the imigrant less money than a US citizen demands.

        And you are right, we've outsourced far more than 85,000 jobs, and at least H1B jobs are here.  But at this point in time, there should not be any H1B jobs as long as there is massive unemployment.  Because you do understand that no one will hire an American so long as they can get an H1B for less?

    •  Just "republicans"? (3+ / 0-)
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      Hell, every time anyone tries to bring the subject up here at DK, they get accused of being racist.

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      by raboof on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:30:01 AM PDT

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  •  BIG Business (13+ / 0-)

    The Republicans (and ThirdWay/DLC Dems) push to expand guest worker programs to help big business, very big businesses, which have the resources and cyclical demands that can handle the initial investment of bringing on foreign workers. It's an unfair advantage over the rest of the nation's  businesses. Republicans are not being business "friendly" but colluding with a few big money interests in actions that hurt American businesses and workers over all.

  •  Republicans like guest workers (18+ / 0-)

    easily exploited labor who cannot vote.

    An illusion can never be destroyed directly... SK.

    by Thomas Twinnings on Mon May 20, 2013 at 08:43:41 AM PDT

  •  minority view (3+ / 0-)
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    I know someone who works for a very large tech company--he has been told to hire the cheapest competent engineer regardless of location.  The internet has made such a position sensible and easily doable.  With the increase in work at home jobs, many of these visas are yesterday's news.  Let everyone in--that's what made America a success.  Unionize everyone will keep us middle class--that means unionize foreign workers also.

    Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. John Kenneth Galbraith .

    by melvynny on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:02:31 AM PDT

    •  hiring restrictions don't work either (4+ / 0-)

      I can't tell you the number of interviews I went on where I felt like it was just a formality.  It was pretty obvious that they just needed to interview a certain number of people so they could hire who they wanted.  It could have been a buddy, or an imported worker, or an internal hire that did not have the formal requirements.  To a firm, requiring to show that no competent local exists just adds to costs, it is not a real roadblock.

      Requiring everyone to be part of a union could be a solution.  One big problem that some guest workers have is that they are dependent on the firm.  They are, to a degree, indentured servants.  They can be sent home if they complain, and they don't necessarily have freedom to change jobs.  A union rep to make sure they know their rights could be helpful

      But it is true that very soon that  advanced communications and a generation that has been raised on it will mean that face to face contact is going to be less important for many professions.  The top 1% in less developed countries are  going to be willing to do this work for a price less than the top 10% requires in the US.  It is an inevitable progression that made the scribe a niche position.

  •  Photo caption (1+ / 0-)
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    "Yes I was just asking this man here, does he thinkee his people likeee idea?  Like-ey like-ey? No spikka da English? Well--hey, where did everybody go?"

  •  More H1B=> fewer American IT grads (9+ / 0-)

    The number of Americans with CS majors mirrors the job market demand pretty well.  So increasing H1Bs really doesn't really fix problems with supply of America IT workers.

    However, an H1B worker is tied to an employer and can't negotiate a fair wage.

    Therefore, I support giving GREEN CARDS to people with in demand skills rather than H1Bs.  Allow them to work here and compete for their wages.

    However, businesses really just want the under-priced labor.  They won't support green cards for tech immigrants, because they know they'll just push down the supply of CS grads.

    •  Most people who are opposed to H1Bs are even more (2+ / 0-)
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      opposed to giving people green cards. Dirty foreigners and all that.

      •  Citizenship or nothing. (1+ / 0-)
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        I am opposed to H1-B visas, and I say no green cards.

        If this foreign person is so fabulous, they should be a full citizen. This means that they can vote, and they can leave their employer whenever they wish.

        Americans aren't afraid to compete with anyone in the job long as the playing field is level. But we cannot compete against Indentured Servants.

        •  It's not the green card (0+ / 0-)

          I think the usual approach for immigrants is to get a green card so that they can stay here legally, then after 5 years they can apply for citizenship.  Some proposed versions of the immigration "reform" possibly would grant permanent residence to illegal aliens while permanently denying them citizenship (sounds like a very "moderate GOP" solution).  

          My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.—Carl Schurz
          "Shared sacrifice!" said the spider to the fly.—Me

          by KingBolete on Mon May 20, 2013 at 11:00:57 AM PDT

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        •  You have no idea what you're talking about. (0+ / 0-)

          And people like you dominate this debate.

    •  We pay our H1B workers competitive salaries (0+ / 0-)

      and help them all get green cards and become US citizens.

      •  No you don't. (5+ / 0-)

        You don't pay your H1-B workers competitive salaries.

        If you did, you would not need to hire H1-B workers. American kids would be knocking on your door.

        The fact that no Americans wanted the job is irrefutable, market-based, empirical proof that your wages are too low.

        •  They aren't paid the industry wage scale... And.. (1+ / 0-)
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          this also places downward pressure for lowering the wage scale for these jobs for everyone as well.  I know as I have seen decent Middle Class IT jobs now paying hourly in the $10 -$15 dollar and hour range.


          “The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor.” - Voltaire.

          by LamontCranston on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:36:20 PM PDT

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    •  Average IT salaries down 3% (0+ / 0-)

      Many H1B are recruited for IT.  IT salaries are down,  If there were a shortage of IT worker salaries would be increasing not decreasing.  Conclusion:  we do not need more H1B visas.

  •  Cornyn and Hatch (5+ / 0-)

    If Cornyn and Hatch are behind it, you know we are about to get screwed.

    "We must hang together,...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately."

    by GreatDane on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:16:15 AM PDT

    •  Being an old and smelly fart from Texas (4+ / 0-)
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      Cornyn remembers all (or at least was taught in Texas History class) about the Bracero program, with fondness.  When you hear "guest worker program," go read the Wikipedia entry on the Bracero program again.

      I don't know what Hatch's problem is, but he's had it for a long time.  And to think he used to be relatively sane.  Tsk.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:51:04 AM PDT

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  •  I've posted this same comment here 100 times B4 (15+ / 0-)

    I'm a high tech worker w/ 30 years experience, w/ a great resume, and references. I can't find a decent position to save my soul because I'm 50yo, and actually would like to get paid for my experience.

    Why not hire an indentured survant for pennies on the dollar and tell me to go eat cat food. That's the new American way! Also increase the retirement age to 70, and cut all benefits, so I can live in a box behind the 7/11 for the next 20 years, or some other utterly demeaning thing, instead of having any form of dignity remaining.

    You served your purpose, now go die quietly please!

    You have your right to your opinion, I will grant you that, but do not denigrate my right to mine!

    by MrQA on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:21:13 AM PDT

    •  Too close to home (5+ / 0-)

      I really hope I don't have to look for work any further.  :(

      "People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V

      by MikeTheLiberal on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:24:36 AM PDT

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    •  Me too: 59 with 20 plus years in the IT field. I (0+ / 0-)

      now started my own little construction niche building company that will never pay me what I was ever making before, but at least it's something to do, I work outdoors, and it keep me from going totally bonkers and over the edge as to just what is happening to this country.  

      I feel for all of those (myself and my wife as well) that have put in "their time", went on to further their education and skills in the professional world as well as in the trades other than high school, kept their noses clean and have followed the "rules" we were all taught in our lives of work hard and the rewards follow.

      Many of us all now know the results of that load of BS.

      It's time for third party - A Labor Party for of those of us that really do the work that gets done and supports others in their jobs.

      "We, the people...."   have no voice anymore, and many of us are getting just plain tired with age.

      “The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor.” - Voltaire.

      by LamontCranston on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:50:30 PM PDT

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  •  It's half the business, ... (8+ / 0-)

    ... and half us.  Well, sort of us.

    We really, really, really need to restore the strength of American unions.  I'm not opposed to foreign workers, because some of them are bright, and many minds make a great workforce.  

    OTOH, they probably have the same ratio of bright to not-so-bright as the US. There are lots of people who want the middle-class life, but we're letting the gap in both resources and education erode the American value that a person can attain a middle-class life through hard work, consistent work, and his or her personal desire. Not everyone is "management material", but that doesn't make him or her any less of a person.  

    So, this is a bad idea, because it does nothing for Americans, but a lot for "American" business.

    "People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." --V

    by MikeTheLiberal on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:21:29 AM PDT

    •  Rec'd for your referral to the need for unions. (3+ / 0-)
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      I wouldn't mind any number of new immigrants if each one were handed a union card upon being hired.  It wouldn't take care of the unemployment problem with 40, 50 and 60-year-olds, but nothing is going to address that problem until older people are protected by unions and the economy is sufficiently robust that they're not laid off in the first place.

      "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

      by SueDe on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:58:31 AM PDT

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    •  Can't do that without tariffs (2+ / 0-)
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      The problem with simply calling for unions is that corporations have shown zero hesitation to fold up a company and ship it overseas or to a "right to work" state.  See Hostess.  Did they even bat an eye at shutting everything down?  No.  And the reformed Hostess will be non-union.

      There's no leverage.  Can't call on everyone to unionize when it gets everyone fired the next day.  Now if we had tariffs or other fair trade legislation then corporations couldn't outsource to China or Bangladesh at the drop of a hat.

  •  I know someone who is an IT recruiter- he (0+ / 0-)

    handles a lot of programmers working on H1B as well as Americans.  The low end for either is 60-80$ per hour and the normal range is more like $125 per hour.  Clients are mainly financial institutions looking for things like Java developers, Salesforce CRM etc.  When he tells his friends about his job, they ask- "Why didn't anyone tell me when I was in high school how much money I could make as a programmer?"  I know a lot of people who graduated high school within the past 10 years and they just not being guided towards the high demand (and high paying) jobs of the future.

    •  What's noteworthy here (1+ / 0-)
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      is that it sounds like your friend only wants to recruit people who graduated high school in the last 10 years.

      If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

      by Major Kong on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:56:02 AM PDT

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      •  I don't see any connection in my comment between (0+ / 0-)

        the people he recruits and the people I know who graduated high school.  The candidate's resumes are first pulled by a screening program-  he doesn't know any of them and although he conducts a telephone interview to decide whether they move to the next level, he never actually meets them.  

        He wants to recruit people who will get hired by the client because he gets a commission for that.  He couldn't care less when they graduated high school.  And why it sounds like that to you is beyond me!

        •  Because I'm over 50 (1+ / 0-)
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          and I worked in IT and I know who they like to hire.

          If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

          by Major Kong on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:52:26 PM PDT

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  •  The H1B program actually is THE path to (3+ / 0-)
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    citizenship for research faculty at universities such as mine. International graduate students get faculty jobs using H1B visas and we get them green cards as quickly as we can. My Academic Division basically would not exist without the H1B program. We have not hired anyone born in America in ten years, and she, the only other American born faculty member was born to immigrant parents. Americans just aren't going to grad school in my field in sufficient numbers.

    But then again, with the damage the sequester is doing to scientific research, it soon won't matter whether we have H1B visas or not.

  •  Who the hell do these politicians work for? (3+ / 0-)
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    Guess what voters, you're paying the salary plus benefits for these miscreates you elected and yet they appear to work for other governments. At least as far as job creation goes. Throw them out of office. All big business wants is to hire specialists and pay them cheap, cheap, cheap so they want to hire outside the U.S. Are you're representatives kissing their asses and passing laws to placate them?

  •  Democrats should push for Green Cards not H1B (2+ / 0-)
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    visas for foreign nationals graduating from US universities in select fields.

    Having inferior ability to change jobs, those on H1B visas can depress pay in the market quite a bit.  However with a green card they would have an equal position with US citizens.

    The most important way to protect the environment is not to have more than one child.

    by nextstep on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:33:51 AM PDT

  •  There was a brilliant comment several months (9+ / 0-)

    ago on this issue.  In theory, an H-1B visa holder should only be hired if there is no American citizen to take the job, (supporting the myth/lie of a shortage of American high tech workers).  Since this  hot shot is so damn important we should demand a minimum wage of 150 K/ year for any H-1B visa holder.

    The original comment is here.

    The sun's not yellow, it's chicken. B. Dylan

    by bgblcklab1 on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:34:47 AM PDT

  •  The labor organizations opposing the senate bill (2+ / 0-)
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    are correct that the USCIS is more a rubber-stamp agency for immigration applications than a true investigative agency.  The problem is the USCIS is woefully understaffed and under-resourced, like most agencies tasked with enforcing federal regulations.  Republicans want to "crack down" on federal employees not fulfilling their mandates, then refuse to give them the money to do so.  

    Now THERE is a real D.C. scandal.

    "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for; as for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." - H. L. Mencken

    by SueDe on Mon May 20, 2013 at 09:39:22 AM PDT

  •  the gop says (1+ / 0-)
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    we will get rid of those undocumented illegals as soon as the dems get the minimum wage raised to a livable figure, which will be over our dead bodies.

  •  Try to find US workers at what wage? (9+ / 0-)
    The Senate bill increases the number of H1B visas for higher-skilled workers from 85,000 to 135,000, but pairs that increase with a requirement that companies actually try to find workers in the U.S. before recruiting abroad.
    I call bullshit on this.  All the companies will do is advertise the job at the same low wage they plan to offer the H1B visa holder.  That wage won't pay off student loans.  It won't pay for a decent home.  It won't pay enough to support a family.

    And so when a US worker dares to say "No, I can't live on that shit wage, I need more money than that", then the corporations will say "See!  We can't find any US workers who will take the job, we need more H1B visas".

    Then the corporations are free to exploit the desperation of imigrants who are willing to work for next to nothing for the chance to live here.  And I don't blame them, but a race to the bottom will mean exactly that.  The standard of living for 300 million Americans will fall to the level of the other 7 billion on this planet.  Wages will be set by what the most desperate person is willing to work for.

  •  Since Republicans' owners (business people) (1+ / 0-)
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    are the biggest beneficiaries of cheap labor (Uncercutting living wages for citizens) it is very bizarre how they howl about undocumented workers

  •  H1B Bogosity (0+ / 0-)

    The H1B system ought to include a fair system for determining the market value of positions that are to be filled using it.  Then the company should be required to pay 25% above that to the worker and another 25% or so to the government to be put to use in education or training programs to create more of those workers in the future.  To put some teeth into the law the worker (or co-workers?) should have standing to sue if the compensation requirements are not met (e.g., employer writes job description for a significantly lower-level position than the work that is actually being performed), maybe with treble damages.  

    If people believe in the the "free" market, there can never be a shortage of labor, only a shortage of "affordable" labor.  If they offered $25 an hour and reasonable working conditions to farm laborers, they probably wouldn't have trouble finding Americans to work the fields and if they offered $100 an hour with good benefits to software developers, there would likely be few development jobs staying open for any length of time.  

    My country, right or wrong; if right, to be kept right; and if wrong, to be set right.—Carl Schurz
    "Shared sacrifice!" said the spider to the fly.—Me

    by KingBolete on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:39:29 AM PDT

    •  It's called the "free" market (1+ / 0-)
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      because they expect you to work for free.

      If the pilot's good, see, I mean if he's reeeally sharp, he can barrel that baby in so low... oh you oughta see it sometime. It's a sight. A big plane like a '52... varrrooom! Its jet exhaust... frying chickens in the barnyard!

      by Major Kong on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:57:16 AM PDT

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  •  I'm proud of the AFL-CIO (3+ / 0-)
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    for providing principaled support for immigration reform.  

    Then I read that there will be 15,000 visas for construction workers.  But there's close to one million "known" unemployed construction workers right here now.  Why allow any imported workers?  That's just a bitter pill for domestic construction workers.

    Orly, it isn't evidence just because you downloaded it from the internet.

    by 6412093 on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:45:49 AM PDT

  •  RE: No Jobs For Americans; Foreign Workers Go Hom (2+ / 0-)
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    One in four on some form of government assistance.

    Over one million children homeless for the first time in history.

    Half the country is under or unemployed despite the happy fun time claims of the corporately consolidated media to the contrary.

    Why the hell would we need to import guest workers again?

    I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. -Thomas Jefferson

    by Zen Warrior on Mon May 20, 2013 at 10:49:17 AM PDT

  •  Companies claiming they cannot find help (3+ / 0-)
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    only have to fill out a form.  They are not required to advertise the positions! I can't support an immigration bill that hurts so many unemployed Americans.

    The NYTimes has had several articles about specific Countries lobbying Congress,the President, and Vise President directly for these additions to the immigration bill.  

    Linkto times artlcle

    Yesterday another article about how the high tech industry is pushing amendments for nonimmigrant visas.

  •  It's very easy to demonstrate that an American (1+ / 0-)
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    worker wasn't to be found for any position that is listed open.  The ads for many technical employment positions are tailored and ginned specifically for the predetermined foreign worker's skill set that cannot be matched by most, if not all.  Even then I question if the foreign worker that is in mind for the position has all of the experience, as well as the laundry list of skills with only requiring 2 - 5 years of work experience...  Nobody can gain that much knowledge about such a very broad range of software and hardware hands on technical ability in 2 to 5 years.....

    Nobody, period.  

    I know this as I have been in the IT "biz" for over 20 years and "understand" the technology pretty well, and how long it takes to master many of software and hardware functions.

    “The comfort of the rich depends upon an abundant supply of the poor.” - Voltaire.

    by LamontCranston on Mon May 20, 2013 at 01:31:49 PM PDT

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