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Here is an idea that would, I think, kill three birds with one stone. The immigration issue, the (so-called) voting fraud issue and national security from terrorists. Bare with me.

a. Almost immediately after the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act of 1965 by striking down the sole method of enforcing the intent of the law, some states began to move to make it harder for their citizens to vote.

b. The Real ID Act of 2005, which forces states to comply with federal standards for state-issued driver licenses and non-driver identification cards is languishing and, in fact, half of the states have passed, or are actively working on legislation to try and block the federal law from being enacted.

c. Even though there was a return to some bipartisanship in the Senate to pass a comprehensive immigration bill, the House of Representatives, mired in ideological stupidity, will almost certainly kill it.

So here is my proposal. Repeal and replace the Real ID Act, but keep the data requirements in it, to create a federal ID card law for every natural and naturalized U.S. citizen. The IDs would be issued and administered by the Department of Homeland Security. They would replace passports, green cards and would serve as valid voter identification in any state or national election. Those that cannot afford the cost of obtaining a card will be provided one with a subsidy from the federal government. The fed ID card would not replace state driver licences but would eliminate the need for non-driver identification cards issued by the states.

What do you think? Where am I going wrong?

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  •  It Still Comes Down to Ease of Access for the Poor (4+ / 0-)

    the infirm and the homeless. And I doubt it could replace passports because those are the subject of international laws and practices. There might be a way to incorporate the function of green cards.

    Not to say it's a bad idea.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 11:26:33 AM PDT

    •  We Ought To Be Able To Figure Something Out (2+ / 0-)
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      Amber6541, OooSillyMe

      when my phone knows where I am down to a few feet and I am in LAX with 47 other people. That I can send and receive large amounts of money via PayPal and then move that money to a bank account or ATM card, well it would seem we ought to be able to come up with something.

      I am not saying technology can solve everything, but I have to think somebody smarter then myself could solve this problem in a relative quick manner.

      •  Already done (1+ / 0-)
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        webranding

        From Africa:

        Launched in 2007 by carriers Safaricom and Vodacom (VOD), M-Pesa’s success is based on its simplicity. Customers buy credit on their mobile phone accounts to pay bills or buy products. To transfer money to a person, merchant, or government agency, all they need is the creditor’s related phone number. The debits are deducted directly from the mobile phone account, with no need to fuss over a bank account. Customers give debtors their mobile number to use in settling up; when a debt payment comes in, their mobile phone account is credited.

        Mobile phones have spread faster than bank branches. Mobile money accounts outnumber bank accounts in Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda, and Madagascar. In just one month last year —June 2012—the value of Kenya’s mobile money transactions equaled 60 percent of the country’s gross domestic product, according to a new study by telecoms trade group GSMA.

        http://www.businessweek.com/...

        We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear.

        by Lib Dem FoP on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 12:01:56 PM PDT

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        •  I Saw A Report The Other Day (0+ / 0-)

          that there are more mobile phones in the world than toilets.

          Now I realize not everybody has a mobile phone, and since I am a tech geek I tend to look at problems by how technology can solve said problem.

          I've found that is not always the best way to look at and solve problems. Phones are my knee jerk reaction here, but maybe not the best idea.

          •  Of course they aren't the best idea, do you know (2+ / 0-)
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            Amber6541, Greenfinches

            how easy it is to get into someones phone even remotely and then steal their identity "card" information"?  Just use one of the many known NFC or browser vulnerabilities and read the National ID information from /data/app and it's game over because I am now you.

            You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

            by Throw The Bums Out on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 12:14:47 PM PDT

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            •  And That Conversation Should Be Had (1+ / 0-)
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              Greenfinches

              I guess it comes down to the debate about how much info folks want to share with Facebook, Google, et al. Heck a few years a school district gave all their students laptops that had remote access software on them. Some pervert used it to turn on the cam to watch young ladies get dressed and sleep. People will ALWAYS abuse technology.

              •  The point is, do you really want your entire (2+ / 0-)
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                Sue B, Greenfinches

                identity to be nothing more than a single easily accessible data file that pretty much anything can copy at will and that mere possession of said file is more than enough to prove that it is you?  Because that is what you are talking about with your idea, making 100% foolproof identity theft as easy as "adb pull /data/app/com.government.identity/idcard.dat".

                You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

                by Throw The Bums Out on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 12:48:15 PM PDT

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    •  This is something that I have advocated (0+ / 0-)

      And my suggestion is to make it fully subsidized by the government.

  •  Cough. (3+ / 0-)

    Draft Card

    The reverse:

    Draft Card Back

    This man was so scared of serving in Viet Nam he enlisted in the National Guard.

  •  Just Happy You Proposed An Idea (2+ / 0-)

    When I see the large percentage of Americans that don't have IDs it makes me sad. I mean that is just a world I don't live in. I wonder how they cash a check or open a bank account. I mean the payday loan places just use the lack of an ID to gouge folks that really, really can't afford the fees.

    I try and use empathy and I have to think folks without an ID worry about it all the time. How will they cash a paycheck. Have gas or power hooked up. Heck just prove who they say they are.

    I have to think it is kind of taxing.

  •  you missed another problem it would solve (2+ / 0-)

    have to show your id to buy a gun.

  •  Seriously (7+ / 0-)

    Very carefully consider the implications of what you wish for. The Labour government attempted to introduce these - by starting with the foreigners resident in the country and issuing them with passports which many in the UK hold.

    I suggest you look at the experience and the evidence of the opposition to it before you decide on whether it has the utility you propose or would be a serious infringement of your right to privacy. Some are specific to the scheme it was attempted to introduce but these are general to any National ID scheme:

    "Papers, please" #

    ID cards in practice would provide a pretext for those in authority—public or private—to question individuals who stand out for reasons of personal appearance or demeanour. This is likely to exacerbate divisions in society. The Chairman of the Bar Council has asked, "is there not a great risk that those who feel at the margins of society—the somewhat disaffected—will be driven into the arms of extremists?"

    Third party abuse #

    The requirement that all those registered notify all changes in details risks creating the means of tracking and persecution through improper use of the database. A variety of persons have good reason to conceal their identity and whereabouts; for example: those fleeing domestic abuse; victims of "honour" crimes; witnesses in criminal cases; those at risk of kidnapping; undercover investigators; refugees from oppressive regimes overseas; those pursued by the press; those who may be terrorist targets. The seizure of ID cards (like benefit-books and passports now) will become a means for extortion by gangsters.

    Lost identity, becoming an un-person #

    By making ordinary life dependent on the reliability of a complex administrative system, the scheme makes myriad small errors potentially catastrophic. There's no hint from the government how it will deal with inevitably large numbers of mis-identifications and errors, or deliberate attacks on or corruption of what would become a critical piece of national infrastructure. A failure in any part of the system at a check might deny a person access to his or her rights or property or to public services, with no immediate solution or redress—"license to live" withdrawn.

    We will work, we will play, we will laugh, we will live. We will not waste one moment, nor sacrifice one bit of our freedom, because of fear.

    by Lib Dem FoP on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 11:54:15 AM PDT

  •  why would it cost anything? (5+ / 0-)
    Those that cannot afford the cost of obtaining a card will be provided one with a subsidy from the federal government.
    How about this? Forget the whole idea. It's a by-product of 9/11 fear, paranoia that there are enemies within.

    Looking at the photo included here, I think you know exactly where it could go wrong.

    Dear NSA: I am only joking.

    by Shahryar on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 11:56:59 AM PDT

  •  Never! (7+ / 0-)

    And they need to stop using our Social Security numbers for ID as well.

    No more Stalking, by government nor business.


    Actual Democrats is the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats

    by Jim P on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 12:05:15 PM PDT

  •  An excellent tool for a dictatorship. No papers, (9+ / 0-)

    no job.  No papers, no bank account.  No papers, no travel.  Right now we have some requirements for identification for various things, but they are not centrally issued for the most part, and those that are, such as social security numbers, are somewhat insulated from general governmental use.

    Once you create a central identification registration, the cards would be the equivalent of internal passports.  They could and probably would be made RFID readable, for example.  It would be possible to track the travel of persons on roadways and mass transit by installing RFID readers which could scan instantly the RFID chips of every person's ID card in a vehicle.

    I assume that it would or perhaps could be made illegal for persons over the age, of say, 14, to fail to keep this ID card in their possession at all times.  There might be some constitutional problems here, so it might be necessary to attack the "problem" (from the totalitarian point of view) by having people who can't present ID to be refused admission to public buildings, mass transit, bridges, museums -- everything that could be said to be a "terrorist" target.  As a practical matter it would then become almost impossible to leave home without the card.

    You have exactly 10 seconds to change that look of disgusting pity into one of enormous respect!

    by Cartoon Peril on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 12:11:38 PM PDT

  •  Gee, said all the old Republicans, (2+ / 0-)
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    who were when I was doing debating in high school, madly in opposition to all sorts of things because they might lead to the truly evil national identity card.

  •  I like the idea (0+ / 0-)

    It would not replace a passport...that is specialized for foreign travel and recognized by all nations.  It would not replace the Green Card, which is already a national I. D. Card for resident non-citizens.  An enhanced I. D. Card could be invented for nearby-foreign travel--Canada, Mexico, some Carribean nations.

    The cons want the benefits of a national I. D. Card without actually having the card.  That makes no sense.  

    The RFID tracking by the NSA...it would make their job easier, but I would'nt want to be tracked.  So...no RFID.  

  •  Some states (1+ / 0-)
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    ManhattanMan

    are likely to still require a "state issued ID." You know, so they could control who gets to vote.

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    by JamieG from Md on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 03:23:37 PM PDT

  •  hell no- and if i am issued one i will destroy it. (1+ / 0-)
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    boophus

    "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

    by thankgodforairamerica on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 03:24:30 PM PDT

  •  voter fraud is a nonexistent problem (1+ / 0-)
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    it is a fiction.

    what exists is election fraud. dirty motherfuckers try to prevent people from voting, through hurdles and intimidation and disinformation.

    national id, voter id, whatever you want to call it helps the dirty motherfuckers who don't want the "wrong" people to vote.

    who are the wrong people? the ones who are likely to vote democratic.

    our last names may change from time to time (women.) our addresses may change frequently (economically disadvantaged/ renters.) we may not have photo id (too broke to own a car- don't need a driver's license.) I could go on.

    are you going to pay the fees for every piece of paper I need to get my unnecessary ID? like birth certificates, marriage certificates, divorce papers? are you going to pay me for the time I miss from work going to the offices and court houses? are you going to pay the sitter or do I have to drag my kids w/ me?

    are you going to pay my gas and tolls and parking or bus and train fare?

    people act like it's so fucking easy. these people are usually men who have the same last name cradle to grave.

    I am sick and tired of liberals/progressives/democrats who want to do the republican job of voter suppression.

    if those dirty motherfuckers want to STEAL MY VOTE then fine- let them try. but how dare you help them?

    "...i also also want a legally binding apology." -George Rockwell

    by thankgodforairamerica on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 03:58:30 PM PDT

  •  Funny how the GOP fights the idea of National ID (2+ / 0-)
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    ManhattanMan, Chas 981

    But at the same time wants to make everyone show ID to vote or get a job.

    Or better yet, the national "e-Verify" database that requires anyone trying to get a job "prove" they are allowed to work.

    They want a national ID but don't want it.

    Stupid question hour starts now and ends in five minutes.

    by DrillSgtK on Sat Jul 06, 2013 at 05:37:40 PM PDT

  •  It could be a good thing (0+ / 0-)

    1) As others have said, it can't replace a passport for various reasons.

    2) Everyone gets one, FREE, at age 16 or so, and it is replaced every five years until age 30, then every ten.  Again, no charge.  Under age 16, I'm not quite sure...just seems unnecessary for kids to have one.

    3) They are distributed via the postal system.  For those who cannot go to a post office, mobile vans will go to various other places like senior residences, etc.

    4) The card would have our name, photo, date of birth, maybe a couple of other descriptive features- height for example.

    5) The card would have a chip that had other information- citizenship status, current address for voting purposes, contact information in case of an emergency, and instead of a social security number, the person's fingerprint.  Changes to things like addresses would be handled by a visit to one's local post office.

    6) At age 18, you would automatically be eligible to vote.  There would be no more need for voter registration.  Yes, would need to have the card with you when you went to vote so it could be scanned as would your fingerprint to see that they match.

    7) When ever you applied for public assistance, college financial aid, and even private work, the card would have to be presented and scanned to show citizenship status for eligibility.

    8) There would be no RFID that could actually track where a person was as such a feature just isn't needed.  The chip is just a way of encrypting information.

    9) In case of loss, the card is replaced for free.  Also, if a lost one is found, it just need be tossed into any mailbox and the post office will be able to return it to its owner- no postage required.

    That's it.  A little card for everyone.

  •  I've always found it odd (0+ / 0-)

    that the English-speaking world has such a problem with national i.d. cards.  I've lived in several non-English speaking countries and in each I have had to have residence cards of some sort.  They actually do make life a lot simpler.  With my Omani Residence Card, which, by the way, looks and works just like an Omani's national i.d. card, I can access my telephone, internet, water and gas accounts online.  Also, I can walk into any branch of my bank anywhere in the country and make financial transactions of any sort. And, oh yes, I can use the fast thumb-reader immigration turnstiles at the airport, both when leaving or returning to the country, thereby avoiding the sometimes long and very slow lines at passport control.  The smart card on it includes all my personal identity details including name, birth date, nationality, passport number, residence visa number including its expiry date, a facsimile of my signature, a digitized version of my photograph, my fingerprints, my blood type, and whether I'm an organ donor or not.  No muss, no fuss.  And no, I do not feel my "freedoms" are being infringed.  

    -7.13 / -6.97 "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -- Edmund Burke

    by GulfExpat on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 02:46:20 AM PDT

    •  Well you will once such id card readers are (0+ / 0-)

      installed in every doorway and it is illegal to use a metal lined wallet to prevent anyone and everyone from being able to read your card at will from 30 feet away.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Sun Jul 07, 2013 at 05:45:16 AM PDT

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      •  Paranoia is not something I indulge in. (0+ / 0-)

        I'll worry about that if and only if it ever happens.  I still stand with the utility of a national i.d. card.

        -7.13 / -6.97 "The people never give up their liberties but under some delusion." -- Edmund Burke

        by GulfExpat on Tue Jul 09, 2013 at 01:53:13 AM PDT

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