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The LA Times reports today that Palestinian leaders have announced they cannot bless the USA effort led by Secretary Kerry to re-start the peace process with Israel.

After an urgent meeting in the West Bank city of Ramallah, Palestinian leaders from the major political factions expressed doubt that the new initiative would be enough to entice them back to the negotiating table.

After a late-night meeting, Palestinians were preparing Friday to demand stronger, clearer assurances from Israel, particularly concerning the proposed borders of a future state of Palestine.

It is regretful if the Palestinian leadership continues to hold this position as pre-condition demands by both sides in the past have derailed efforts at reaching a peace treaty between the sides.  The insertion of such preconditions now, by either side, will not be helpful in moving the process forward.

The point of negotiations in a peace process is to negotiate. This is especially true when it involves issues at the heart of the conflict.  Setting barriers to negotiations will only serve the goal of those whom would prefer violence to peace and given the process has already been endorsed by the Arab League this setback is very disappointing.

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  •  Seems Haaretz disagrees, and has published that (5+ / 0-)

    Kerry will indeed begin talks with both sides.

    "Israeli officials: Kerry likely to announce renewal of direct Mideast peace"

    http://www.haaretz.com/...

    "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

    by David Harris Gershon on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 11:29:39 AM PDT

  •  So the Palestinians continue refusing (4+ / 0-)

    to surrender?   Even their Pu Yi pseudogovernment refuses to surrender? Well, that's their right.

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 11:38:12 AM PDT

    •  guess they don't see it as 'surrender', since it (0+ / 0-)

      looks as if they're going to talk.

      •  or maybe they do. (1+ / 0-)
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        JesseCW

        See the Pu Yi reference above.

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 12:26:33 PM PDT

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    •  It is their right to talk instead of fight or to (0+ / 0-)

      fight instead of talk.

      I think most would agree there has been enough killing.

      But I am sure some would prefer the deaths to continue.

      •  False binary, unless (1+ / 0-)
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        JesseCW

        you mean to say that Israeli settlers won't stop attacking WB Arabs unless there's a "peace settlement."  Forget about Gaza; Abbas has no power to negotiate on behalf of Hamas.

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 02:20:25 PM PDT

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        •  Um, take another look over there. (0+ / 0-)

          There has been attacks by both sides, not just one.

          Hamas has been reduced to begging Egypt to keep their illegal tunnels open. The Gaza strip will one day be part of Palestine.

          •  There will be no Palestine. (1+ / 0-)
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            Surely you know that by now?

            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

            by corvo on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 02:33:41 PM PDT

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              •  Haven't been wrong yet. :-) (0+ / 0-)

                Of course, the nice thing about dealing with the corrupt and pliant Abbas is that Israel has a chance of getting what it wants: a territorially undefined collection of Bantustans with no defenses, no foreign policy, and no water or other resource rights.  

                But wait -- that's what Israel already has.  So whatelse does Israel want?  Abbas's cooperation in convincing the world that the status quo is a "state" and not what it really is, namely -- let's put this mildly -- a colonial protectorate.  

                Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                by corvo on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 03:39:35 PM PDT

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                •  Israel wants peace and security with all of its (0+ / 0-)

                  neighbors. It has successfully negotiated peace treaties with two so far.  The rest will come about as well.

                  •  Ah, yes, but Palestinians aren't neighbors. (0+ / 0-)

                    Their status seems to be somewhere between "enemies" and "squatters."  When of course not "dogs."

                    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                    by corvo on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 05:05:51 PM PDT

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  •  Talking for the sake of talking serves only (5+ / 0-)

    to maintain the status quo and legitimize ongoing settlements.

    The insistence on continuing to expand those settlements is as much a pre-condition as the demand that they cease.

    Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

    by JesseCW on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 11:59:56 AM PDT

    •  Talking about an issue has the potential (2+ / 0-)
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      to solve it.

      And no one, other than yourself, is suggesting the talk be for talks sake.  Before you can make such a characterization the negotiations must at least begin.

      And of course, in order to sign an agreement you do have to begin discussing it.

      All of which serve to show that talking is indeed what is needed now rather than not talking.

      •  Israel has pretended to negotiate for 20 years (2+ / 0-)
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        while using discussions as cover to steal about a quarter of the West Bank.

        They've made it clear that they, in fact, talking for talks sake.

        The US has made it clear that we intend to fund and enable their ongoing theft, and that we are involved not as honest brokers but solely for the purpose of assisting them in said theft.

        Until that theft stops, there's nothing to talk about.

        You're insisting that "Ongoing theft is acceptable" is a precondition for talks.  That's not a path to peace.  That's not even an effort to think about finding something that might be a path to peace.

        Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

        by JesseCW on Fri Jul 19, 2013 at 03:06:17 PM PDT

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        •  You know better than that to make such a (1+ / 0-)
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          Kane in CA

          sweeping statement when discussing a conflict that has more than enough blame that can be assigned to both sides.

          Your position is at a dead end.  The only way out is to negotiate.

          Israel is not going to disappear from the map and refusing to negotiate only exacerbates the suffering.

          And thanks for attempting to frame my argument for me but how about you argue your position and I argue mine?  You do a very poor job when you stray from your own.  I believe I can speak for myself quite ably.

    •  Refusal to talk (2+ / 0-)
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      JNEREBEL, Egalitare

      guarantees nothing will change.  Both sides can bring up their current and past grievances as a reason not to talk.  Which they're entitled to do, but nothing will change.

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