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On the night of July 30, 2010, Anthony Weiner caught my attention. It was during an impassioned moment on the House floor, when the Congressman railed against Republican efforts to squelch a bill that would have provided health care to 9/11 first responders suffering mightily from their exposure at ground zero.

Here it that video and that impassioned moment:

His emotion, as well as the obvious rightness of his position, made me inch forward in my seat and consider this politician in ways I had not previously. And when he put Peter King in his place on Fox News the next morning, using that same fire, I filled out my official Anthony Weiner Fan Club postcard (for I didn't fully understand his politics or his nature).

However, a year later, on March 3, 2011 – over two months before his first 'sexting' scandal – Congressman Weiner lost me completely.

It was during a debate moderated by Roger Cohen of The New York Times between Weiner and former congressman Brian Baird. Hosted by The Nation Institute, the two men had gathered to debate the recently-issued Goldstone Report, commissioned by the U.N., which chronicled alleged war crimes committed during Israel's 2008 military invasion of Gaza.

During that debate, Weiner said something that stunned everyone in the audience for its absurdity and for its idiocy. It was the first moment I realize that Weiner, while passionate, was also a) not a particularly astute individual, and b) was the type of politician just as willing to sling falsehoods to support extreme positions as his Republican colleagues.

Here is that stunning moment, followed by its transcript:

WEINER: You can see a difference in the development in the West Bank with 11 percent year over year growth, with no Israeli occupation there either, with increasing access to checkpoints —

COHEN: What about area C, D,

WEINER: Hold on, maybe this would be helpful

COHEN: No occupation in the West Bank, did I hear you right?

WEINER: Yes.

COHEN: Have you been to the West Bank lately?

WEINER: Yes.

COHEN: You didn’t see the IDF there?

WEINER: In Ramallah? No. In Nablus? No. Now can I tell ya there might be some people in this room who think Jerusalem is occupied.

COHEN: Well hold on a second there, let’s stick to the West Bank. You’re saying there is no IDF presence there?

WEINER: Yes.

Nobody on either side of the Israeli-Palestinian issue denies that Israel occupies the West Bank. It is a simple reality, one supported and opposed by those on opposite sides of the divide. It is not an issue contested by anyone with a stake in the conflict, including those most extreme.

Weiner's statement, which he amazingly reiterated again last month, made me question not just the sharpness of his mind, but the content of his character.

As brooklynbadboy and LaFeminista have since pointed out, Weiner's lack of legislative accomplishments reveals that perhaps his mind is not so sharp, and that his harassment of women reveals the content of his character is very much at issue.

But it was on March 3, 2011 that those two realities became painfully clear when Roger Cohen responded, "Did I hear you right?"

Unfortunately, we all have. Many times. And in my view, it's time to cease listening to what Weiner has to say.



Originally posted to David Harris-Gershon (The Troubadour) on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:07 PM PDT.

Also republished by Writing by David Harris Gershon and New York City.

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  •  Tip Jar (146+ / 0-)
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    "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

    by David Harris Gershon on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:07:00 PM PDT

  •  Well, that's a failing Weiner has in common (8+ / 0-)

    with 100 of the members of the United States Senate (yes, that includes Saint Bernie Sanders) and about 433 member of the United States House of Representatives.

    So yeah, while that makes Weiner either ignorant or loathsome and probably both, it isn't as if he weren't in lots of company.

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:19:53 PM PDT

    •  I think you're giving Weiner too much credit (19+ / 0-)

      and the likes of Sanders not enough on this.

      This is not relative ignorance. This is willful idiocy for a cause.

      While it's right to critique Sanders along with every other politician, there's no nuance to lump them all together.

      Weiner does not deserve as much.

      "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

      by David Harris Gershon on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:21:58 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Ever seen Sanders's record on Senate votes (2+ / 0-)
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        regarding I/P?

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:22:34 PM PDT

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        •  I know what you're referring to, and we (8+ / 0-)

          are in agreement per that record.

          However, Sanders has never before a crowd tried to justify such votes with this type of willful nonsense.

          "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

          by David Harris Gershon on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:29:58 PM PDT

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          •  Of course not. (8+ / 0-)

            Sanders is shielded from such questions, as anyone who's ever suffered through Thom Hartmann's interminable sentences knows only too well.

            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

            by corvo on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:32:58 PM PDT

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            •  *grin*....okay, you got me. (3+ / 0-)
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              "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

              by David Harris Gershon on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:36:44 PM PDT

              [ Parent ]

            •  Yeah, TH is one smart guy, but even I - Mr (1+ / 0-)
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              Irrelevant Tangent King (when speaking, not typing) - end up hollering "Get To The Point!" at the radio.

              Some version of brain-full-o-facts ADHD tangentinitis?  Whew.

              In all seriousness, I perceived TH's stream-of-recollection tangentocity increased dramatically starting @ 8-10 months ago - after his health emergency.  I hope he is ok.

              Finally, I was somehow on Weiner's email list for this mayoral run.  I unsubscribed from that in a NY minute!

              The GOP says you have to have an ID to vote, but $ Millionaire donors should remain anonymous?

              by JVolvo on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 08:44:49 AM PDT

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              •  The more ashamed he is of the shit he's trying (0+ / 0-)

                to excuse himself for supporting, the longer and more multilayered his tangents get.

                You know it's bad when he starts out talking about what needs to be done to address this or that horrid abuse by the Administration, and winds up going on another 45 minutes history lesson on corporations, eventually to come around to some argument that we can't stop droning kids in Pakistan until we have corporate charter reform.

                The guy is on KPFK now for reasons I don't understand.  He's got no place on the Pacifica network at all.  

                Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

                by JesseCW on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 10:01:08 AM PDT

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      •  And in terms of morals and consequences (8+ / 0-)

        there's no difference, none whatsoever, between willful ignorance and "willful idiocy for a cause."  They're the same damn thing.

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:24:51 PM PDT

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        •  I agree with you on this. (3+ / 0-)
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          "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

          by David Harris Gershon on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:30:22 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  unless you mean to imply (2+ / 0-)

            that Weener is just some dumbf**k who doesn't know any better.  In which case he would be less reprehensible than those who do . . .

            Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

            by corvo on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:31:56 PM PDT

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            •  You'd be right to suggest he'd be less (3+ / 0-)
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              reprehensible if he did this out of pure ignorance.

              But no -- on this issue, he is stupid for tactically thinking that denying Israel's occupation would help from a hasbara perspective, and he's reprehensible for trying to make the argument in public.

              All around, he just sucks.

              "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

              by David Harris Gershon on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:35:08 PM PDT

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              •  I don't give points to the others (1+ / 0-)
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                for their higher level of proficiency, sorry.

                Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

                by corvo on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:36:38 PM PDT

                [ Parent ]

              •  He's been denying it for years, and he's (0+ / 0-)

                been corrected many times.

                It ain't ignorance.

                Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

                by JesseCW on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 10:01:52 AM PDT

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    •  Except that the population of NYC, at 8.2 million, (8+ / 0-)

      is larger than all but 11 states.

      The job of NYC mayor is more complex and has more responsibility that 39 governorships.

      Weiner would have been in over his head at City Hall, even if he had never sexted anyone.

      "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

      by LilithGardener on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 09:42:12 PM PDT

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    •  That unconditional support of Israeli Right by the (1+ / 0-)
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      US Congress is the biggest reason the new peace talks are likely to fail. US aid to Israel only buys us Bibi's intransigence.

      "If Wall Street paid a tax on every “game” they run, we would get enough revenue to run the government on." ~ Will Rogers

      by Lefty Coaster on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 08:05:28 AM PDT

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    •  Inaccurate. (0+ / 0-)

      Please provide the quotes that show these members of Congress denying the existence of Israel in the West Bank.

      You may disagree with their (and the majority of the American people) their support for the state of Israel but you cannot logically extend this to Weiner's denial.

      Unless you can provide quotes from each to support.

  •  I agree with this completely (5+ / 0-)
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    The anguish over some internet sexytime, short of a legal complaint, means shit to me.

    This Rover crossed over.. Willie Nelson, written by Dorothy Fields

    by Karl Rover on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:27:15 PM PDT

  •  Is weiner jewish? (3+ / 0-)

    just wondering

    •  I almost took your question as satire. (12+ / 0-)

      But that's just because I'm Jewish.

      Yes, he is.

      Unfortunately for my tribe.

      "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

      by David Harris Gershon on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:37:22 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  But Huma? (3+ / 0-)
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        It's one thing to put up with sexting, but for a Muslim woman who spent her childhood in the Middle East (though not Palestine), and can't pretend to know different, to listen to that amount of white-is-black?

        •  Um. She was Hillary's bestest girl. (0+ / 0-)

          When, you know, Hillary voted to butcher a couple hundred thousand Iraqi's.

          Some folks are masters at compartmentalization.  Beside, I don't think Weiner hates Muslims so much as he hates Arabs in general and Palestinians in the specific.

          Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

          by JesseCW on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 10:04:08 AM PDT

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    •  Wrong Question (3+ / 0-)
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      The right question is: was his district Jewish?  In fact, his district contained some of the most devout Jewish communities in the city.  It made for complicated politics and especially politics regarding US foreign policy.

      "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

      by PrahaPartizan on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 11:43:29 PM PDT

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    •  Ethnic politics (1+ / 0-)
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      NYC is famous for its ethnic politics.

      So in this election we have
      Bill Thompson, former comptroller, a black of West Indian background;
      John Liu,currently comptroller, of Asian ancestry;
      Christine Quinn, city council head, an Irish lesbian (Oy vey!);
      Bill de Blasio, city ombudsman, of Italian ancestry with a black wife (Oy vey!);
      and
      Anthony Weiner, former Congresscritter, who if he were not Jewish, wouldn't have ever been mentioned in this race.

      The characteristic ethnic politics in NYC seems to embarrass each ethnic group in turn, and this year it's the Jews turn. (See the very embarrassed David Harris Gershon, for example. LOL.)

  •  Here's Juan Cole with his 10 reasons (44+ / 0-)

    I've posted this a few times but maybe it will add to this diary some things I think also shouldn't be ignored.

    by Juan Cole.http://www.juancole.com/....

    The real scandal surrounding Anthony Weiner is that he is bigoted against Palestinians and used to misuse his position in Congress to support punitive policies against them. Americans appear to be bored by policy, titillated by private peccadilloes [well, OK, years later it is clear that these are a mental problem, not just peccadilloes]. But it is the policies that are important. Mahatma Gandhi was once kicked out of a brothel in South Africa. No one judges him by his lapses. Weiner, in contrast to Gandhi, has not worked for peace but has rather given knee-jerk support to the worst policies of the most far rightwing parties in Israel toward Palestinians. A social liberal in American terms, Weiner is so blinded by his allegiance to Israel and so studied in his ignorance of the Middle East that he . . . played a uniformly sinister role in that aspect of foreign policy [when he was in Congress] . . . And no one, not Chris Matthews or anyone else, ever called on him to leave public life for this inhumanity.
    Weiner:

    1. Called for Columbia University professor Joseph Massad to be fired for being critical of Israel; Weiner thus spearheaded a new McCarthyism.

     2. On the Israeli attack, in international waters, on the Mavi Marmara relief ship, Weiner sputtered: “”If you want to instigate a conflict with the Israeli navy it isn’t hard to do. They were offered alternatives. Instead they chose to sail into the teeth of an internationally recognized blockade.” The blockade of Gaza civilians is a breach of international law; it is not internationally recognized and has on the contrary been condemned by almost every nation and human rights organization.

    3. Alleged that the New York Times is anti-Israel:  “Amnesty International in particular, has always had bias against Israel, and frankly I would argue that in many cases, the New York Times has, as well.”

    4. Alleged that the Palestine Liberation Organization is still listed by the US as a terrorist organization. It was dropped from the list over 2 decades ago.

    5. Tried to bar the Palestinian delegation to the United Nations from New York.

    6. Alleged that Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestine Authority, is not the head of the PLO. He is.

    7. Refused to condemn the use by Israel of cluster bombs on the civilian farms of south Lebanon in 2006.

     8. Alleged that the Israeli army does not occupy the West Bank and that there is no Israeli Army presence in the West Bank.

    9.  Called Israel’s war on Gaza a “humane” war. 400 children were killed.

    10. Voted for Iraq War authorization in 2002, before later turning against the war.

    (all emphasis mine)

    without the ants the rainforest dies

    by aliasalias on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:35:59 PM PDT

  •  Understatement perhaps. (5+ / 0-)

    ...perhaps his mind is not so sharp...

    Maybe alarmingly so.  

    I'm not always political, but when I am I vote Democratic. Stay Democratic, my friends. -The Most Interesting Man in the World

    by boran2 on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:37:05 PM PDT

    •  New Yorkers talk fast (spoiler alert: I grew up (0+ / 0-)

      about twenty miles from NYC). Within a given population bright people tend to talk quickly. The fast speech of New Yorkers can give a sometimes spurious appearance of being on top of things.

      What I find funny for myself is that my rate of speaking has slowed down here in Iowa. If I find myself with several auslanders or very excited I rev back up to NYC speeds.



      Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

      by Wee Mama on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 07:25:18 AM PDT

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  •  Agree on the substance,not sure about the politics (1+ / 0-)
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    IMO it may not be realistic to expect a Congressional representative from Queens to be an unbiased honest broker with respect to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

    We should be able to get the rest of the Democratic Congressional delegation who doesn't represent these heavily biased areas, to be on the side of peace, progress and human rights in the Middle East -- and if we could do that, it would be enough, because it's the bulk of Congressional Democrats.

    As much as I agree Rep. Wiener was terribly wrong and hypocritical on this issue, if he is with us on everything else -- and he mostly has been -- I would say he would be worth supporting.

    And aside from that, the Mayor of NYC doesn't have any power to affect the course US foreign policy anyway.

  •  Weiner lost support because he wasn't wearing cup (1+ / 0-)
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    When Weiner Lost My Support

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    by annieli on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 06:50:05 PM PDT

  •  I knew him way back when. (3+ / 0-)
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    He's pretty goofy.  A poseur.

    •  You just described 99% of the politicians (3+ / 0-)
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      who ever ran for anything.

      :)

      You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

      by Eric Stratton on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 07:09:08 PM PDT

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      •  Sadly, true, but there was a time when (1+ / 0-)
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        they were goofy poseurs, but also committed to some sort of concrete political and policy principles.  Those people scarcely exist inside our political machines at this point.

        •  I don't care if they're into weird shit, honestly. (1+ / 0-)
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          As long as they set up sane, humane policies... they can jerk off to donkey porn all day long as far as I'm concerned.

          He's probably going to lose, though.

          You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

          by Eric Stratton on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 11:37:57 AM PDT

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          •  I'm not so sure he would have been (1+ / 0-)
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            the guy who would set up humane policies, though.

            Again, my visceral reaction to the guy was that he was pretty fake and super awkward.  Many politicians share those qualities in their own ways, but he didn't have much core beyond his own ego, iirc.  I haven't seen him do much - actually in terms of accomplishing much - that would make me think thatI under estimated him at the time.  On some level, his story as it has unfolded since has reinforced my initial take on him.

            The thing about the game of democratic politics (with a little "d") is that politicians have to build consensus around their causes with their colleagues.  Whether that consensus is built through fear tactics (a la LBJ) or smarts about how to create quid pro quo deals or through shaping and enlisting the electorate to push your agenda or through collegiality - it is an unavoidable reality of politics that allies must be enlisted.

            Weiner wasn't good at that, ever.  He was a decent foot soldier, but didn't create leagues of followers.  The bottom line is that he would not make a good mayor for NYC now that he's lost so much credibility.  While NYC is a far more powerful unit in and of itself than DC is, trust me when I tell you that you don't want a Mayor who is on everybody's shit list.  We lived through that here and it wasn't fun for a whole host of reasons.  And just to be clear, if I thought that on the politics he'd be really great for NYC, I might suggest that you guys take the leap, but in this case, I really think that the guy is way more trouble than he's worth.

            •  I'm not disagreeing. (1+ / 0-)
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              The whole Carlos Danger thing makes him look incompetent if nothing else. I've been thinking about Bill Clinton alot since this story broke, and as infuriatingly stupid as the "bimbo eruptions" were, I don't recall Bill ever looking as foolish as Weiner does now.

              He's probably just not cut out for politics. Remember Mark Foley? I remember thinking back then that the guy would probably have been fine if he had just left DC and gotten into show business when he had the chance. He was supposed to have wanted to join to the music industry lobby after he retired from Congress. As weird and sleazy as Foley was, he would have fit in fine in the music industry. I feel the same about Wiener, he should have taken his act to Hollywood.

              You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

              by Eric Stratton on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 12:07:25 PM PDT

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              •  Bill Clinton was not the one who (1+ / 0-)
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                asked that the lurid details of his private affair be published in the Time and the Post - the fact that he lied, IMO, was actually honorable.  Weiner, OTOH, seems to revel in exhibitionism which is just fine if you're a porn star, but not so helpful in a life of politics.

                As for Mark Foley, his perversion was double-trouble.  He wrote the laws that could have landed his ass in jail for communicating with minors over the internet about sex.  However, he seemed to have the smarts to wait to do that until they hit their 18th birthday - but in person in the District anyone over 16 was considered of legal consenting age.  He was freaking creepy to say the least.

                Anyway, I don't think of this as a Bill Clinton thing as much as others do.  I think that Weiner blew it when he resigned from Congress.  If he wanted to continue to have his internet trysts, the best thing he could have done was kept his seat and told people to mind their own business.  When he recanted, retreated and said he was sorry, people believed him.  When it recently became clear that he didn't stop and didn't really feel regret, he got clobbered.  That's a normal and completely predictable outcome.  The fact that he didn't anticipate the response, shows him to be just as obtuse as I remember him being a million years ago now.

                •  I wasn't going to say it... (1+ / 0-)
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                  but Weiner should totally become a porn star. He'd be happier, NYC would be better off and the tabloid editors would be in sleazy headline heaven.

                  You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

                  by Eric Stratton on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 12:53:51 PM PDT

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                  •  A win-win-win all around - lol n/t (1+ / 0-)
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                    •  You know what, I think there's something to this. (1+ / 0-)
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                      I'm starting work on a screenplay tonight, Carlos Danger: International Playboy Superhero. Kind of like Iron Man meets Batman... except he's actually the Mayor of Gotham. And he's got a big dick.

                      With De Blasio moving into 2nd place in the latest polling, I think Weiner might want to start thinking about life after politics. I'll wait until a few weeks after he drops out and have my people call his people.

                      You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

                      by Eric Stratton on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 06:14:54 PM PDT

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    •  How far back? (1+ / 0-)
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      "If the Jew who struggles for justice for Palestine is considered anti-Semitic, & if Palestinians seeking self-determination are so accused...then no oppositional move can take place w/o risking the accusation." - Judith Butler

      by David Harris Gershon on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 07:10:51 PM PDT

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      •  The late 80's in NYC when he was (0+ / 0-)

        just starting out in the political realm.  He's part of the reason that I didn't get involved in the NYC Democratic Party activities.  None of them seemed to have any soul - they wanted to be part of "the machine", but I didn't get the sense that any of them really wanted to do anything other than be part of a club and be powerful - or "important".

        I also do not remember him being all that liberal - this was a long time ago, but it was during the period of time when I realized that the Democratic Party machine was abandoning some of the key issues I always cared about and felt were critical to our platform including poverty.  I don't remember Weiner being very populist, liberal or particularly principled on political issues.  So, when he came out a few years ago sounding like a liberal on some issues, I was a bit skeptical - I thought that he could have changed and evolved, but it struck me as out of character - but I also thought at the time that I was glad that someone was saying what he was saying and that better some than none even if it was a political ploy on his part.

        Anyway, I'm amazed at how interested people are in this story.  It seems to just go on and on and on and I think it is pretty boring at this point.  Personally, I think people should do what I did when I met him which is to move on.  

        •  I think one of the reasons (0+ / 0-)

          Weiner has been doing so well is that he can't be considered part of the machine.  I really don't like what is going on with a lack of primary challengers in some races.

          Meanwhile, Vito Lopez will probably be elected to city council and Silver has covered up more scandals (Micah Kellner).

          •  I was talking about when I was familiar with (0+ / 0-)

            the NYC Democratic Party activities back in the late 80's.  I'm totally out of that scene now for two decades.  

            George HW Bush was president at that time and most people didn't have a clue who Bill Clinton was.  

  •  The 9/11 speech lost me, actually. (6+ / 0-)

    He came across as a charismatic preacher. It made me uneasy about him.

    I've been decidedly turned off by the prudish response to his extra-curricular activities, but I honestly don't care about the guy and if he loses I couldn't care less.

    As for the issue of Palestine, I'm sure I could piss off people on both sides very quickly by sharing my thoughts on the matter... but if there is one I can't fucking stand about discussing I/P, it's people who rant about it without understanding the basic underlying facts of the situation.

    No occupation? He really said that? Wow.

    You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

    by Eric Stratton on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 07:05:46 PM PDT

    •  "He came across as a charismatic preacher." (3+ / 0-)
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      That is exactly what I was thinking when I watched the "passionate" video above. I was also thinking that that is what some of us yankee gals called a "parking lot preacher" because you could hear him clearly from inside all the way across the parking lot. I don't respond well to getting yelled at.

      As far as the prudish response- if Weiner were my teenaged son, he would immediately lose all electronic privileges. And if he were my neighbor I'd have trouble dealing with that. Glad I'm not in his neighborhood. But since he's an adult (can't call him a grown-up) I guess he can do what he wants up until he breaks a law, and we citizens are responsible to shape the law and make sure it gets enforced.
      If his district wants a real dick to represent them, so be it. It's their spot on the map.

      I totally agree with you about the rest of your comment.

      We are all pupils in the eyes of God.

      by nuclear winter solstice on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 04:52:50 AM PDT

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      •  Well, the way I see it... (1+ / 0-)
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        the most effective politicians I ever supported turned out to be weird, narcissistic weasels in the end. I mean, Bill Clinton did a lot of good for this country. He was way better than GW Bush and, while I respect Bush41 as a person, his administration was clearly inferior to the Clinton Administration. But to say the Big Dog has issues in his personal life is an understatement. And the way he treated gays was really unforgivable. Andrew Sullivan still holds a grudge and I don't blame him.

        But Clinton was way better than Bob Dole would have been. And that's all that mattered to me at the polls. Weiner is no Bill Clinton, though. He's gonna lose, I imagine. Now Spitzer, on the other hand... my inner pervert still has high hopes for him.

        You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

        by Eric Stratton on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 11:59:40 AM PDT

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        •  Spitzer at least wasn't outing himself. And I (1+ / 0-)
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          always saw his personal Valentine's Day massacre as an effort to throw smoke on his letter from the 50 Governors to Bush about the banking crisis. That's a loose description, it's been a long time, but there was a huge scandal of the Bush admin forcing the states to put up with bad banking and bad mortgages at that time and since we never found out who clients one, two and/or three were on that list I thought it was awfully fishy for it to come out the way it did.

          We are all pupils in the eyes of God.

          by nuclear winter solstice on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 05:42:06 PM PDT

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          •  It should be illegal (1+ / 0-)
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            to out anyone involved in either side of a prostitution contract. Think about it, prostitution is illegal, but pornography isn't. The only difference is that there is a camera in the room. That's it. Maybe a light and sound crew if it's a high end production... but all you need is a cheap video camera and you're covered.

            How stupid is that?

            You can do whatever you want to us, but we're not going to sit here and listen to you badmouth the United States of America.

            by Eric Stratton on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 06:23:23 PM PDT

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  •  well I guess you won't be voting for him in (0+ / 0-)

    the upcoming NYC mayoral democratic primary then!

  •  Weiner was a medicority (9+ / 0-)

    at best to begin with.  Now we know he's a liar and he has no impulse control.  Anyone who votes for him, for anything, has no standards to speak of.

    "Unrestricted immigration is a dangerous thing -- look at what happened to the Iroquois." Garrison Keillor

    by Spider Stumbled on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 07:43:47 PM PDT

  •  Compare and contrast with Alan Grayson... (4+ / 0-)

    ...yelling Democrat louts need not be dumb and troubled and ineffectual. Anthony Weiner needs to spend a long while in whatever sort of personally-effective ashram will lead to his healing as a person.

    it fitfully blows, half conceals, half discloses

    by Addison on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 07:58:03 PM PDT

    •  Alan Grayson is also a pretty nasty bigot (0+ / 0-)

      when it comes to Palestinians.  As far as I know, he's the only sitting Congressman to get a comment hidden here (I might be way off, just the only one I've seen), and that was because of a disgusting anti-Palestinian trope.

      Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

      by JesseCW on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 10:08:41 AM PDT

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  •  Of course it was a moment one might expect... (0+ / 0-)

    there to be a loss of support. This is how it works for those that lack ability to support that which is not anti-Israel in connotation.

    Most everyone else is looking at Weiner's character as disqualification, not his position, in essence, that the area involved is disputed territory and subject to negotiation by the parties, even as many wish to determine it for themselves.  

    •  The territory was occupied by military advance. It (1+ / 0-)
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      is occupied territory. What it should be in the future has not yet been settled but is it such a far stretch to describe it as occupied territory? I always thought that the term "West Bank" was a kind of weasel word to avoid saying "Occupied Territories."



      Is it true? Is it kind? Is it necessary? . . . and respect the dignity of every human being.

      by Wee Mama on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 07:28:54 AM PDT

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      •  It is militarily occupied. Everyone from (1+ / 0-)
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        the UN to the IDF to the US to the PA is in agreement on that issue.

        It isn't debatable.

        Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

        by JesseCW on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 10:10:16 AM PDT

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  •  Or, As Juan Cole Put It: (10+ / 0-)
    Top Ten Things Anthony “Carlos Danger” Weiner has said that are worse than Sexting

    Posted on 07/25/2013 by Juan Cole

    The real scandal surrounding Anthony Weiner is that he is bigoted against Palestinians and used to misuse his position in Congress to support punitive policies against them. Americans appear to be bored by policy, titillated by private peccadilloes [well, OK, years later it is clear that these are a mental problem, not just peccadilloes]. But it is the policies that are important. Mahatma Gandhi was once kicked out of a brothel in South Africa. No one judges him by his lapses. Weiner, in contrast to Gandhi, has not worked for peace but has rather given knee-jerk support to the worst policies of the most far rightwing parties in Israel toward Palestinians. A social liberal in American terms, Weiner is so blinded by his allegiance to Israel and so studied in his ignorance of the Middle East that he . . . played a uniformly sinister role in that aspect of foreign policy [when he was in Congress] . . . And no one, not Chris Matthews or anyone else, ever called on him to leave public life for this inhumanity.

    Weiner:

    1. Called for Columbia University professor Joseph Massad to be fired for being critical of Israel; Weiner thus spearheaded a new McCarthyism.

    2. On the Israeli attack, in international waters, on the Mavi Marmara relief ship, Weiner sputtered: “”If you want to instigate a conflict with the Israeli navy it isn’t hard to do. They were offered alternatives. Instead they chose to sail into the teeth of an internationally recognized blockade.” The blockade of Gaza civilians is a breach of international law; it is not internationally recognized and has on the contrary been condemned by almost every nation and human rights organization.

    3. Alleged that the New York Times is anti-Israel: “Amnesty International in particular, has always had bias against Israel, and frankly I would argue that in many cases, the New York Times has, as well.”

    4. Alleged that the Palestine Liberation Organization is still listed by the US as a terrorist organization. It was dropped from the list over 2 decades ago.

    5. Tried to bar the Palestinian delegation to the United Nations from New York.

    6. Alleged that Mahmoud Abbas, President of the Palestine Authority, is not the head of the PLO. He is.

    7. Refused to condemn the use by Israel of cluster bombs on the civilian farms of south Lebanon in 2006.

    8. Alleged that the Israeli army does not occupy the West Bank and that there is no Israeli Army presence in the West Bank.

    9. Called Israel’s war on Gaza a “humane” war. 400 children were killed.

    10. Voted for Iraq War authorization in 2002, before later turning against the war.

    This aggression will not stand, man.

    by kaleidescope on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 08:29:39 PM PDT

  •  I don't care what anyone says (1+ / 0-)
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    that first video was and is great.  Doesn't matter who did it.  Truth to fucking power.  At all times by everyone.

    He who would trade liberty for security deserves great customer service.

    by Publius2008 on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 08:55:14 PM PDT

  •  Agreed (1+ / 0-)
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    I predict, perhaps prematurely, that this is going to hurt Hillary's bid, perhaps fatally. The "I married a shitbag who thinks with his dick and doesn't respect women" connection via Huma is going to be too hard to avoid.

    At least Bill isn't a moron.

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 08:56:58 PM PDT

    •  GOOD. Because I thought she should have had more (0+ / 0-)

      pride and stuck up for the Truth in her relationship. She didn't and she went on to continue accepting false information and thus choose a war she knew was wrong because she's a politician not a great Statesman. I certainly hope people make this association when considering her, and have second thoughts.

      And just like the discussion above about which is worse, total cluelessness or willful ignorance- yes, "Bill isn't a moron." Exactly. That's what turns him into a deliberate sleazebag liar. The best thing I ever saw on TV in those days was the day Bill had to give a news conference and apologize for breaking his contracted vows and he had such a bruise the make-up crew couldn't even cover it. I heard she threw a lamp at him. The rest of their relationship is none of our business, but the knowledge that he can't control himself in the name of love only means he'll have even less control in the name of hate.

      And Monica may not have been a genius, but the next Mata Hari to sashay through the oval office might have been a whole lot swifter and tech savvy.  I said that then, long before the whole NSA spying thing could be talked about, and I maintain it now.

      But of course we knew all about Gennifer Flowers in plenty of time, but instead we chose Slick Willie and got NAFTA'd.

      We are all pupils in the eyes of God.

      by nuclear winter solstice on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 05:06:59 AM PDT

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  •  That is not why you should not support him. (2+ / 0-)
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    The mayor has absolutely nothing to do with foreign policy.  Every candidate for Mayor will be just as strident on Israel (which you may see as a good thing or a bad thing depending on where you stand) and a good deal of it is posturing and pandering.  Which is silly since the Mayor of New York has absolutely positively no influence on what happens in the Middle East.  An annoying idiosyncrasy of NYC politics that we even ask candidates for local office about it.

    Whether he likes to be a salty online pen pal (and photo mate) with different women perhaps should not matter.  Though is lack of self-control even after losing his congressional seat is worrisome.  And it does make him a national joke that reduces the respect people will have for him as mayor and thus his effectiveness once in office.

    The real reason you should not vote for him is the policies which he has power over that he espouses.  For example supporting Bloomberg's policies of co-locating charter schools within public schools.  Next to Christine Quinn he is the most conservative candidate running for Mayor in terms of city, not national politics.

    And another good one is his lack of any substantive accomplishments in terms in any position he has held.

    And there is the problem.  Some might know him from appearing on MSNBC or C-SPAN and giving a good interview or speech.  Some might like his strong defense of Obamacare.  Some may or may not like him on Israel.  Or global trade.  Or because they feel sorry for him for being hounded by the media.  Or he is a "famous" celebrity.

    None of that has anything to do with the fact that regardless of his personal problems there is nothing in his public record or the substantive city policies he espouses that indicates he'll be a very good mayor.

    The lady was enchanted and said they ought to see. So they charged her with subversion and made her watch TV -Spirogyra

    by Taget on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 09:04:17 PM PDT

    •  Every Arab American who lives in NYC deserves (0+ / 0-)

      a Mayor who doesn't hate them because of their heritage.

      Just like every other ethnic group.

      Mr. Universe is a known degenerate Robotophile, and his sources include former Browncoat Traitors. What is their agenda in leaking top secret information about the Reavers and endangering us all?

      by JesseCW on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 10:12:09 AM PDT

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      •  John Liu has been heavily courting the muslim vote (0+ / 0-)

        and is the only candidate to come out against Bloomberg's monitoring of mosques.  Which probably is far more pertinent than what is going on in the middle east.

        Here in Staten Island I found it rather suspicious that it was only the Albanian mosque (which is by far the most moderate of the mosques in Staten Island).  And I suspect it was targeted not because of anything to do with terrorism but because an Albanian gang was suspected of a recent bout of home invasions and they wanted to get around legal niceties (ie the constitution) in their investigation.

        The lady was enchanted and said they ought to see. So they charged her with subversion and made her watch TV -Spirogyra

        by Taget on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 07:42:28 PM PDT

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  •  As bizarre as Weiner's comment is... (3+ / 0-)

    He is speaking for a lot of people. I was sturnned in an argument with a hardcore relative of the Israel-is-always-right-even-when-its-wrong camp some time back when she made exactly the same claim. I can't remember the logic, but it was basically a technicality which I didn't find to be important, but she did.

    So, as dumb as it might seem to us, Weiner is clearly playing to a specific audience here. Of course, many of them refuse to believe the Palestinians even exist as a people.

    Now residing in Van Nuys, but "LaBobsterofVanNuys" isn't funny and besides, Van Nuys is really part of Los Angeles

    by LABobsterofAnaheim on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 09:46:50 PM PDT

  •  i hadn't been aware of it (7+ / 0-)

    until denise and some other kossacks told me about it, but weiner launched his political career with race-baiting. kornacki at salon explains:

    http://www.salon.com/...

    The cold passion for truth hunts in no pack. -Robinson Jeffers

    by Laurence Lewis on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 09:49:29 PM PDT

  •  Where would he have gotten such an idea? (0+ / 0-)

    I haven't heard people even among defenders of the right wing in Israel make that claim. Is this a common claim?

    Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

    by AaronInSanDiego on Sun Jul 28, 2013 at 11:17:45 PM PDT

  •  He lost me in June (2+ / 0-)
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    BroadwayBaby1, Woody

    When he continued to pursue the signature of a woman that had called Christine Quinn a "dyke."  When your ambition blinds you to bigotry I can't vote for you.

  •  There are too many attractive candidates (1+ / 0-)
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    competing for Mayor of NYC.  No need to settle for someone who spouts lunacy, passed only one House bill in 12 years, and is prone to serial embarrassment.

    I wish him well, but I'll vote for someone else.

    Bad news about that fire emergency, George. It was in Newark, NJ, and Corey Booker already got it.

    by thenekkidtruth on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 03:16:08 AM PDT

  •  Two words come to mind after reading this.. (1+ / 0-)
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    "AIPAC" and "pocket".

  •  I'd like to see a few (0+ / 0-)

    diaries on Quinn and her anti labor positions, anti worker positions, and basically rubber stamping anything Bloomberg has wanted - including voting himself a 3rd term. (Maybe I'll write one)

    If the choice comes down between Quinn and Weiner - the obvious choice (as a native New Yorker) would be Weiner.

    Weiner might accurately reflecting the views of his heavily jewish/Hasidic district and I find his positions on this issue to be willfully obtuse - but Quinn is anti everything progressive.

    Would Quinn have been for the evictions of Occupy if she were in office?

    Yes.

    Would Weiner?

    I'd like to say No.  

    “The further a society drifts from the truth, the more it will hate those that speak it.” George Orwell

    by Tool on Mon Jul 29, 2013 at 07:51:24 AM PDT

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