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I have the same feeling in hearing of his suicide as I did when I heard of his crime...creepy.

I work with people that have spent long amounts of time in prison for a variety of offenses.  I do work with people that have committed sex offenses like rape and other crimes like kidnapping and murder.  

I've never come across someone that has done something crazy like he did but I'm not supposed to.  Those people don't normally make it out of prison.

So when I heard the news last night the first thing that popped in to my head was...

That didn't take long.

I did the obvious check of the story to see whether he was in an altercation but I knew in my heart that he was not without doing the fact check.  

Pardon my language but to inmates at what I assume are all prisons across the country Ariel Castro is a Chomo.  It is "short" for Child molester but you can tell by the spelling that there is some homophobia going on there, otherwise it would be Chimo.  

At any rate this means you are going to be abused by your fellow inmates for as long as any number of them see fit.  Many of these men are not sex offenders 90% or more in most facilities.  Many of these men have children and some of them have daughters.  This turns your average known sex offender in to a target for abuse.  

The kind of abuse they face is not unlike the abuse they give out, rape, beatings, isolation, more rape, and more beatings for an extended period of time.  

Ariel Castro was a special case.  The inmates in his facility know who he is, they know his crime, and they know he is coming to live with them.  Strangely enough or not depending on how you look at people in prison, his presence among their ranks, is offensive.  His living where they live, sharing their space, eating their food, to a lot of them makes him their equal.  It is a fact that is not overlooked or taken lightly by the inmates and the staff at the prison.  

Upon conviction, Ariel Castro was sentenced to life plus 1,000 years in prison.  The part of the sentence that the judge didn't read or didn't have to was the part about him being sentenced to experience every bit of the abuse that his victims faced for the rest of his natural life.  Any inmate with access to Castro was a potential abuser, there is no way he could have known who or when he would be attacked aside from the fact that they would be telling him and they would certainly do so.  

Had he been held in the general population of the prison it is likely he would have been dead already and if not he would have eventually been killed by an inmate within the prison.  Prisons are full of people who were victims of sexual abuse and if one of them is not getting out of prison for the rest of their lives, exacting revenge on a sex offender is simply not that big of a deal.  

My assumption is that Ariel Castro was exposed to the inmates in the prison or he was somehow made to be painfully aware of what he was about to endure once released in to the general population and that was enough for him to take his own life.  Obviously he was able to comprehend the level of abuse he could face as he had himself imprisoned and tortured three women for more than a decade, he now had time to think about how wrong that was and in his final cowardly but probably most honest act he has committed in a long time he took his own life.  There are many people in the world who would have taken their own lives faced with decades of unrelenting and unpredictable abuse.

I am not happy to see him dead and I am not sad.  I don't see it as a failure of the justice system that he killed himself instead of facing his sentence.  I see it as the reality one faces when they have done the things that he has done.

Twenty years from now he would have been used to the rape and the beatings and they wouldn't bother him so much and because of that it wouldn't happen as often and he would eventually be just another inmate.  

I have a saying for people like this who lose their lives.  The last time I used it was when we dispatched of Osama Bin Laden.

"It is a lot easier to rest in peace if you live in it first." - Mim5677

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  •  What I really really really love is the sure and (5+ / 0-)

    certain knowledge that "someone like this"  would of course be persecuted and abused in general population.

    Because THAT's how we run our prisons.

    Not that EVERY human monster has a rough time of it.  

    It's the sex offenders (and of course the weak and friendless) that suffer rape and mutilation at the hands of people SO wise and virtuous ... that the rest of us  don't want them living among US anymore.

    Let's be really really clear ... it's not so much that there's some Higher Morality that even the Worst of the Worst submit themselves,  to so they shoulder the moral duty that limp-wristed, rule-bound courts will not ..

    It's that the guards and administration of prisons make it very clear which convicts they will not protect, and whose deaths will not be seriously investigated.

    The Screws pick them, the Cons kill them.

    Nice system.

    And it's much easier to ignore than the old In-Public style of lynching.

    Of course "This Guy" really really deserved it.

    And think of the money we all saved.

    •  The money saved (0+ / 0-)

      is icing on the cake

    •  Whether they like it or not (1+ / 0-)
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      prison staff have a vested interest in keeping people alive and safe within the prisons.  

      There is no doubt that this case was among the most extreme of situations.

      Like I said it depends on how you look at people in prison but a moral heirarchy among inmates is a real thing and in any society, the people establish rules outside of the perscribed rules in place. Prisons are no different.  

      Prison staff can't watch all people 24 hours a day and 30 minutes is certainly enough time to kill yourself.  

      His time was not going to be smooth and he made a choice.

      Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

      by mim5677 on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 10:10:49 AM PDT

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  •  Well.... (4+ / 0-)
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    Ever seen the old German movie 'M'?
    The child killer didn't have a chance.  
    From anyone.

    I think, therefore I am........................... Plus ca change, plus c'est la meme chose....AKA Engine Nighthawk - don't even ask!

    by Lilyvt on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 06:47:21 AM PDT

  •  Can you handle the truth? (1+ / 0-)
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    Don't say I didn't warn you: link.

    •  This is a tough 8th amendment claim (1+ / 0-)
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      because of the suicide the State would have had to have known that he was contemplating suicide or that the mental health services failed to provide him the counseling if requested.  I imagine it was a quiet and uneventful death and not entirely expected or unexpected.  Plus who is going to bring a claim on the estate's behalf without getting besmirched by the man's reputation.  

      •  Cruel and unusual punishment is an open secret (1+ / 0-)
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        in our prison systems.  From the diary:

        The kind of abuse they face is not unlike the abuse they give out, rape, beatings, isolation, more rape, and more beatings for an extended period of time.
        •  The thing is that those are not punishments... (0+ / 0-)

          they are crimes with additional penalties inmates must face if convicted inside the prison.  

          A rule book I read showed 720 in segregation for murder.

          I see what you are saying but when you go to prison you are around bad people.

          Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

          by mim5677 on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 10:13:20 AM PDT

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    •  The punishment that Mr. Castro inflicted (2+ / 0-)
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      upon his innocent victims was most certainly cruel and unusual. He knew what he was doing to them, and didn't care.

      The law of karma, or cause and effect (which is independent of human law) says it's inevitable that evil actions eventually lead to their own punishment. Of course our cruel prison system had a hand in this, but I would not hold it primarily responsible.

      I'd say that Castro cast his own fate.

      •  absolutely (1+ / 0-)
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        With such a high profile the result was pretty much unavoidable.

        Who ya gonna shoot wit dat homie, you'd rather blast an original instead of a phony, true macaroni, you don't even know me, and why does your gun say n****z only?

        by mim5677 on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 10:50:12 AM PDT

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  •  It doesn't really matter. (1+ / 0-)
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    It's always sad when someone takes his own life. But this particular case, I can't get worked up about.

    Fuck me, it's a leprechaun.

    by MBNYC on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 07:02:39 AM PDT

  •  Agreed on this: (4+ / 0-)
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    I am not happy to see him dead and I am not sad.
    I simply don't care.
  •  I thought about a lot of what you note when I (3+ / 0-)
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    heard he offed himself.

    it also occurred to me that this whole case was

    like it came whole out of Stephen King's imagination.  down to the suicide.

    This comment is dedicated to my mellow Adept2U and his Uncle Marcus

    by mallyroyal on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 07:32:47 AM PDT

  •  The US Penal system is barbaric. (4+ / 0-)

    In the UK, sexual offenders are imprisoned in separate institutions,  and never in the general population, just to make sure that they avoid the treatment you describe.

    •  interesting observation (1+ / 0-)
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      but based on an internet search, it seems they put the worst of the offenders in a supermax, but that others are in the general population, where they can be abused, but the descriptions by one prisoner of what he had seen is nowhere near the level of abuse reported for US prisoners. IIronically, that prisoner pointed to a pilot program in California as being the ideal set up for sexual offenders.

      Still it seems that clustering the prisoners is not an endall of issues, lack of care,  disrepect and neglect by guards continues to plague these prisoners.

      The supermax also hold serial killers, and one notable case of a doctor convicted of about 20 murders and suspected of over 200 was that he too commited suicide in his cell after certain privileges were revoked and he became upset.

      One last point,  the difference in the english penal system, crimes against the crown, versus state law systems, makes it easier to maintain a separate facility.  One for the nation, not 50, one for each state.  Separate sections within a prison might be manageable and preferable.

      But I am not an expert on sexual molestors, etc., but to me they seem very predatory, much  like a serial killer.  Being deprived of their ordinary victims, will they adjust their predatory habits, are they safe among themselves if housed general population style? Or is their predation so specific that they won't prey on each other?

      •  On the contrary it would be easier in US (0+ / 0-)

        due to the number of prisons.

        Do not forget that the UK has a prison population of around 100,000 compared to the US with 2.8 million.

        Taking into consideration the Uk population is one fifth the US population, from our point of view you have 2.3 million prisoners too many.

        •  But if sentenced in California (0+ / 0-)

          for a California state crime, you go to a California prison, and statewide prisons are expensive, especially a maximum security prison so a totally separate facility not likely, but a wing within in general prison is more cost effective, but still represents a cost.

          Lots of prisoners is not the same as lots of prisons for certain state crimes per state.  There are numerous work release facitlitites, minimum security facitlities.

          That isn't to say that the US doesn't need to end the war on drugs and minority populations, etc., and cut back on prisons of all types.

  •  another possible factor in the suicide (5+ / 0-)

    The guy was a narcissistic sociopath. People like that never really believe that what they do is wrong and so they feel persecuted when punished and blame their victims for everything. He may have offed himself out of spite to deny the justice of his long sentence (with likely abuse) from his victims and society. He certainly didn't have anything to live for at that point.

    "Tell the truth and run." -- Yugoslav proverb

    by quill on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 08:42:50 AM PDT

    •  In checking the veracity of death report, I came (1+ / 0-)
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      across the narcissistic "victim" crap he whined at his trial: it wasn't abuse or torture, the women requested xyz, they had had sexual relations before him so it was ok.  PUKE

      Good riddance.  Enjoy the dry heat.

      As of 9pm 8/30/13: RETIRED Pie Warrior. Substance over Sh*t Flinging (as best as I am able) ~ JV

      by JVolvo on Wed Sep 04, 2013 at 12:49:46 PM PDT

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