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Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD)
Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD)
The Republican budget rests on a particularly brazen sleight of hand, Rep. Chris Van Hollen pointed out on ABC's This Week: At the same time as Republicans have voted dozens of times to repeal Obamacare, their budget relies on it to be balanced.
Republicans "have to explain to the American people how they voted for a budget that includes all of the Medicare savings from Obamacare, that includes the same level of revenue generated from Obamacare and, in fact, would not even balance in 10 years, if not for the Affordable Care Act," Van Hollen said.

"That's misleading and that's a hoax," he added.

Van Hollen's Republican counterpart on the show, Georgia Rep. Tom Graves, followed his party's strategy and tried to change the subject, as if he could magic away the conflict between the budget and all those repeal attempts.
"I mean, it's clear that I was in my district during August, listening to my constituents -- " Graves began, but was interrupted by Van Hollen.

"I asked a question about the budget, Tom," he said. "You guys passed a budget that assumes big parts of Obamacare are kept."

Ah, but Graves' constituents don't know that, so they're a safe topic for him to try to talk about.

This is a great measure of how totally unserious Republicans are about governing. Perhaps their signature ideas (at the federal level, anyway; at the state level the transvaginal ultrasound might get that title) are mutually exclusive. And yet each, in isolation, tends to be treated by the media as a real idea, something Republicans are actually trying to accomplish. These people are not serious. They are not sincere. They are nothing but vandals, even though they come in suits and ties, bearing charts and jargon, rather than on skateboards carrying spray paint.

Originally posted to Laura Clawson on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 11:53 AM PDT.

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  •  Chris is really good at what he does. (5+ / 0-)

    I only wish he were more on our side.

    I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

    by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 12:41:11 PM PDT

    •  Perhaps a Poor Example (2+ / 0-)
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      SouthernLiberalinMD, elwior

      This particular verbal exchange just might be a poor example of how effective Van Hollen is, since he, as the saying goes, clearly came to a battle of wits against an unarmed opponent.  In fact, it would appear the Graves was totally unarmed since he, as a good Southern gentlemen, didn't immediately begin to smear and shout down Van Hollen as so many of the Republican bloviators would have done.  Clearly, though, the lies are starting to pile up around the Republican caucus like the fagots around an auto-de-fe.  May the government shutdown be the spark lighting the tinder?

      "Love the Truth, defend the Truth, speak the Truth, and hear the Truth" - Jan Hus, d.1415 CE

      by PrahaPartizan on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 01:07:19 PM PDT

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      •  I hope so, but I'd sure like to know (2+ / 0-)
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        barbwires, PrahaPartizan

        what side Chris has finally come down on in re: to the Grand Bargain/Social Security Cuts/Chained CPI.

        Basically, there's people on both sides of the aisle that benefit from this constant government shutdown/fiscal cliff/budget nonsense. I hope Chris' appreciation for good governance is strong enough that he is willing to fight this fight the right way, as opposed to giving up earned benefits cuts to get the Republicans to stand down, which is what not only Republicans, but some Democrats want as well.

        I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 01:11:44 PM PDT

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      •  Wait, wouldn't a Good Southern Gentleman (0+ / 0-)

        have challenged Van Hollen to a duel?

        "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

        by Subterranean on Wed Sep 25, 2013 at 08:26:17 PM PDT

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      •  Democrats need to keep asking opponents... (0+ / 0-)

        "What is your alternative to Obamacare?"

        Because the GOP doesn't have one.  They are so focused on getting rid of Obamacare that nobody seems to be pointing out that they simply have no alternative.

        Before Obamacare, people were being denied coverage because of pre-existing conditions, could not afford soaring premiums, could not get routine checkups, faced economic devastation if hit by a catastrophic illness, used emergency rooms for primary care, and the system had no competitive forces to reduce costs or systems to aggressively pursue fraud.

        Obamacare does that.  "Kill Obamacare?"

        And just what will you replace it with?

        And does it reduce government spending for healthcare?

        Ask, ask, ask....and when they have no answer and/or try to change the subject....ask again.

        Free markets would be a great idea, if markets were actually free.

        by dweb8231 on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 03:08:43 AM PDT

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  •  So, let's get this straight... (7+ / 0-)

    Even though they know that they don't stand a snowball's chance in hell of accomplishing it, the Republicans say they will repeal Obamacare because they don't want the People to come to like it once it's fully implemented.

    Then, fully knowing that repeal will not happen, they concoct a job-killing, economy-draining budget that Ayn Rand would heartily approve of -- secretly using the savings from the very program that according to them won't even exist -- and they wonder why even people in their own party don't take them serious?

    Ted Cruz isn't the only snake oil salesman in the GOP. Their entire party consists of carnival barkers and third-rate scam artists.  

    'Cuz freedom can't protect itself ~~ EFF ~ EPIC ~ ACLU

    by markthshark on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 01:03:42 PM PDT

    •  You have explained GOP thinking perfectly. (2+ / 0-)
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      markthshark, elwior
    •  The amount of good faith in DC could be (1+ / 0-)
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      corwin

      measured in a thimble.

      I tried to go online to find a similar bear head...but when I searched “Big Bear Head” it gave me a San Diego craigslist ad entitled “Big Bear needs some quick head now” and then I just decided to never go on the internet again.--Jenny Lawson

      by SouthernLiberalinMD on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 01:13:27 PM PDT

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    •  It's easy (0+ / 0-)

      First, most people don't know the intricacies of the budget, so it's irrelevant.

      Second, when the exchanges are set up, people will like them and praise them, but will not realize they are part of Obamacare.  The GOP can take credit for them no problem.

      Third, it's already working.  Many Americans think Obamacare has been repealed.  The purpose of the House holding repeated votes on it's repeal is to reach the misinformed and subinformed majority of voters.  They will see over and over on the front page and on the TV Machine that the GOP voted to repeal Obamacare, and so they'll believe it's been repealed.  Remember, most people don't have any fucking clue how government works.  It's enough to tell them over and over that the House repealed it.

      Thus when the exchanges start to work at full speed, these same people won't credit Obamacare, in fact they'll think what they have is better than Obamacare, because it doesn't have any Death Panels and they get to choose their own doctors or even keep their own health insurance.

      The GOP are not stupid when it comes to media strategy.  They are masters of propaganda.  Expect them to benefit from "repealing" Obamacare, and then benefit from its enaction.  The key is all the misinformed and/or stupid voters who meekly respond to the GOP manipulation.

      "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

      by Subterranean on Wed Sep 25, 2013 at 08:22:50 PM PDT

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  •  But but but Chuck said it's not the media's job (3+ / 0-)
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    Gary Norton, NedSparks, highacidity

    to report the numbers don't add up, it's job is just to report two guys were arguing on TV.

    -1.63/ -1.49 "Speaking truth to power" (with snark of course)! Follow on Twitter @dopper0189

    by dopper0189 on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 01:14:14 PM PDT

  •  You insulted (0+ / 0-)

    skateboarders with spray paint.

    Blue is blue and must be that. But yellow is none the worse for it - Edith Sidebottom

    by kenwards on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 01:58:42 PM PDT

  •  Obamacare will not be defunded (0+ / 0-)

    This was no more than a cheap stunt ,that have real consequences for people that depend on governmental program,Republican leadership  know it ,but Republican voters are too stupid too know it

  •  If by "misleading" he means (2+ / 0-)
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    Cpqemp, Subterranean

    Mendacious, lying bullshit, then I agree.

    "Given the choice between a Republican and someone who acts like a Republican, people will vote for a real Republican every time." Harry Truman

    by MargaretPOA on Wed Sep 25, 2013 at 07:20:01 PM PDT

  •  Teabagger Paul Ryan is Synonymous with (1+ / 0-)
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    JeffW

    budgetary hoax -- he's the Party of Stupid's arithmetically-challenged budgetary guru.

  •  Another DKer late to the party (0+ / 0-)

    I can't help but LOL at DK front-pager who are now celebrating and supporting Obamacare!

    I'll never, ever, ever forget the poutrage and emoprog garbage that DK and Markos threw out there in 2009/2010 during the ACA law debates.

    Pathetic.

  •  Finally, a pol willing to fight. (1+ / 0-)
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    SottoVoce

    Please, dems, no more Mr nice guys. The gop are lying MFer's. CALL THEM OUT!

    What is so unnerving about the candidacy of Sarah Palin is the degree to which she represents—and her supporters celebrate—the joyful marriage of confidence and ignorance. SAM HARRIS

    by Cpqemp on Wed Sep 25, 2013 at 08:05:59 PM PDT

  •  Reminds me of my own rep, (0+ / 0-)

    Mike Rodgers.  That fucker brayed and squealed about the evils of the stimulus package back in 2009, then after it passed he took credit for all the road construction the bill funded in this district.  Not one local paper called his hypocritical ass out on it, either.  

    Republicans wouldn't get away with half of the sleazy things they do if the media did their job, and/or if the public payed attention.  Most people only hear little sound bites here and there, so they figure, hey, lower taxes and lower spending are great, and lots of new roads are great, too!

    "When I was an alien, cultures weren't opinions" ~ Kurt Cobain, Territorial Pissings

    by Subterranean on Wed Sep 25, 2013 at 08:14:37 PM PDT

  •  I enjoy a good magic trick. (0+ / 0-)


    Sand is nothing more than rocks that got tired of being what they were. - UID 16382

    by glb3 on Wed Sep 25, 2013 at 09:51:54 PM PDT

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