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I happen to believe what we're witnessing is the last desperate throes of this moribund beast known as the GOP.  I think that it's culminating towards a shutdown and/or debt default (one or the other or perhaps both) as a way for the GOP to fulfill their emotional need to inflict punishment on the country for rejecting them.  It's nothing less than lashing out in a last, desperate attempt to stop progress.

They must have their pound of flesh, and so I belive they will bring it past the brink.  I also believe that they will fail to achieve anything except causing pain and reaping the blame.

They will have their shutdown, or default, or both, and then, like in '96, they will have to relent, having achieved nothing.  Obamacare will not be defunded. Period. Despite the pain they will have inflicted on this country.  And when they wake up frome their rampage of destruction they have wrought, they will see what they have achieved, and look at their empty bloodsoaked hands, and then they will start to come to the crushing realization that they have less than nothing to show for their efforts.

The supporters, the rank and file will look up and see Obamacare enacted, and being implemented, and say "now what?"

They will be demoralized. Lost. Crushed and empty.

And then the finger pointing will begin.  And then the knives will come out. And then the cannibalistic feeding frenzy will start.

The internal bitter acrimony that will be generated by the GOP's failure to stop Obamacare from being enacted will reverberate through the GOP in the form of a cannibalistic backstabbing orgy the likes of which have never before been witnessed in the annals of political history.

The build up has been immense.  The expectations spectacular. The hyperbole profound. The rhetoric unmitigated and it's all culminating.

They are accelerating and careening towards this point, there's no let up, and they are going to fail, utterly. But they are ramping up the energy into very dangerous territory, because when they fail, this energy will need to be dissipated and directed. Directed right into a cannibalistic, backstabbing feeding frenzy of dashed hopes and bitter acrimony.

And lo, it will be glorious to behold, as long as you don't get splattered with the entrails, I suppose.

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  •  Tip Jar (30+ / 0-)

    Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

    by Gurnt on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 12:35:31 PM PDT

  •  And in a few years people will (21+ / 0-)

    be amazed at the lengths the Rs went to to stop a good program like the Affordable Care Act.

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 12:36:41 PM PDT

  •  this very much depends (3+ / 0-)
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    antooo, Stude Dude, WarrenS

    on how cleanly the program rollout is. If there are serious implementation problems, if millions of people are less happy with their insurance than they were in 2012, then those will be driving issues for the 2014 elections.

    •  The expectations are that there will be death (10+ / 0-)

      panels.

      That's the expecation that the GOP has given their base.

      If there's no death panels, they will be in for a serious letdown.

      Remember, this is not about your expecations, or my expectations.

      The GOP base is expecting THEIR leaders to STOP the absolute EVIL that is Obamacare.

      Their leaders WILL fail in stopping it. And in addition, there will be no death panels, no aboslute evil, nothing.

      You and I may not fully understand how someone would be disappointed with the absence of a death panel, but that's why we don't vote GOP.

      Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

      by Gurnt on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 12:45:42 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  there are many expectations (1+ / 0-)
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        That people can keep their doctor is they like them; that the cost curve will be bent down; that families premiums will decline; that the exchanges will work; that everyone will be able to get insurance.

        in summary, that things will be better. If they are not, expect the GOP to trumpet all the problems next year.

        •  The rollout of Medicare Part D was a disaster (7+ / 0-)

          And that program was far more unpopular than the ACA has ever been when it was rolled out.

          Satisfaction with Medicare Part D is now somewhere near 90%.

          Just sayin' - for good or bad, the American voting public's collective memory is poor.

        •  Things WILL be better, but against GOP baseline (2+ / 0-)
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          expectations, they will be astronomically better.

          Not only will there be no death panels, but people's premiums will drop, people without insurance before will have it now, etc.

          The disconnect between what their leaders told them and what happens will lead to an incredible amount of disillusion and cognitive dissonance and then anger towards those that mislead them.

          Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

          by Gurnt on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 01:22:18 PM PDT

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      •  Grunt - this is wishful thinking (3+ / 0-)
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        The GOP isn't going away or becoming irrelevant regardless of what happens to the ACA and its funding. They won't be crushed and all the signs are they will keep the House in 2014.

        Remember that the GOP has two very important attributes that will make it a viable party indefinitely, money and patience. This is party who went forty years without controlling the House and patiently knitted together a coalition to take control in 1994. That coalition will need to change, but they have the money and patience to change it and stay relevant in our two party world.

        "let's talk about that"

        by VClib on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 01:10:33 PM PDT

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        •  Perhaps, perhaps not, we shall see (4+ / 0-)
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          I don't think the house is such a lock, especially after Obamacare is implemented and the GOP's failure to block it comes home to roost.

          You can't build people's expectations to the level the GOP has, then fail, and think no one will notice or there will be no backlash.  That's not the type of animal the GOP and their base of supporters are.  They are cannibals at heart, and the recriminations and the necessity for a scapegoat will be impulses that they have no power to resist.  They will get vicious, and this will further demoralize and splinter them, going into '14.

          Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

          by Gurnt on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 01:25:06 PM PDT

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          •  Grunt - I think very few people (0+ / 0-)

            including passionate Tea Party advocates, think the ACA can be defunded with a Democratic Senate and President. So the fact that it won't be defunded will not be the crushing blow you think it will. The key to their constituents is that they gave it their best effort. The MSM will posture the ACA as a mixed bag, did some good, caused some problems. It won't be a win for either party.  All the GOP could do was vote to defund the ACA in the chamber they controlled. Their constituents won't be crushed, and neither will the GOP. Keeping the House in 2014 will be their most important goal and they will focus their time and money on it.

            "let's talk about that"

            by VClib on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 02:53:27 PM PDT

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            •  You overestimate the Tea Party base (1+ / 0-)
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              These are not sophisticated people, and they've been whipped into an hysterical frenzy over Obamacare, and their expectations are that it will be stopped.

              We are not talking about the general public, we are talking about the GOP base/Tea Party.

              YOUR expectations are lower rates, better coverage, etc.

              Their expectations are death panels and rationing and that it's unconstitutitonal (regardless of USSC decision) and must be stopped and congressmen x promised he'd do everything in his power to stop this grandma killing abominiation.

              It's a completely different set of expectations, a whole different reality of expectations. And they've been whipped into a frothing frenzy of rage over these expectations.

              You can't whip up your base into an emotional frenzy like that, then fail them, and expect no backlash.

              At the very least many of them will be demoralized and confused, if not furious. They will certainly not be very motivated to vote for the guy who promised to repeal the abomination and failed. Or the guy who said there would be death panels and rationing that failed to materialize.

              Imagine you're a Tea Party supporting loon who's been ranting and raving like a lunatic to anyone who will listen about the evil Obamacare death panels that are going to destroy America.

              And you've put all your faith in Cruz and Rubio etc. who have told you how awful this law is and that they are going to stop it and protect you.

              Now imagine all this energy, all this expectation all this anger they've built up in you. All the bottled up hate and fear of this law.

              Then imagine you're disappointment when the law is not stopped.

              They've failed you.

              Then imagine you're confusion, turned to rage, when your neighbors, who for years you've been ranting to about Obamacare, start getting health insurance for their family, and it's reasonable, and there are no death panels.  And they remember your rants, and they start laughing at you and mocking you behind your back (or so you imagine).

              Imagine your embarrassment, you're shame.   The confusion and cognitive dissonance.

              How will you feel? Who will you blame? Will you be motivated to vote?

              And all this will be happening to the GOP's base going into '14.

              Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

              by Gurnt on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 02:59:50 PM PDT

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              •  Grunt - like most here at DKOS (0+ / 0-)

                you have very little understanding of Republicans or Tea Party advocates. Do you come by your predictions by actually talking to Tea Party advocates or conservative Republicans or is your knowledge based on what you read on the Internet?

                I think you have a completely unrealistic view of how the ACA will impact the GOP in 2014.

                "let's talk about that"

                by VClib on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 03:49:57 PM PDT

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                •  GOPbags are spittle-spewing racists (1+ / 0-)
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                  ... who would vote to gas every puppy in the nation if they could somehow hang it on Obama.

                  And THAT is the truth. From talking to them in their floppy, flabby, flaccid aging old flesh.

                •  I know the cannibal by the species of flesh (0+ / 0-)

                  he consumes.

                  Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

                  by Gurnt on Wed Sep 25, 2013 at 07:36:55 AM PDT

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                  •  That's what I thought (0+ / 0-)

                    Last year Bill Moyers had a guest, Jonathan Haidt who has written a book that all students of politics should read, "The Righteous Mind". Haidt is a political science professor and does not write from a liberal or conservative perspective, he does research to try and understand why people hold certain political views. The book is the best I have read in describing why we have become so politically polarized.

                    One chapter deals with a research case study where he interviews three sets of participants self described liberals, moderates, and conservatives. He presents hypothetical situations and asks three questions, how do you react and how do you think the other two groups would react. The conservatives were very accurate in how they thought the liberals and moderates would react and the moderates were very accurate in how they thought the conservatives and liberals would react. The liberals were reasonable accurate in how they thought the moderates would react, but were completely clueless in how the conservatives would react. I see that same pattern here at DKOS every day. People write diaries proclaiming the ten or twenty things that Tea Party or conservatives believe. I know lots of conservatives, not so many Tea Party members, and frequently that list of ten or twenty doesn't include one correct view of what conservatives actually believe. Living in information bubbles, that reinforce existing views, is one of the reasons politics are so polarized.  

                    "let's talk about that"

                    by VClib on Wed Sep 25, 2013 at 08:59:08 AM PDT

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                    •  One only has to observe past performance (0+ / 0-)

                      to know where this passion play is going.

                      Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

                      by Gurnt on Wed Sep 25, 2013 at 09:04:44 AM PDT

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  •  I have been predicting this for years (10+ / 0-)

    and it keeps almost happening.
    I no longer put a date on it. It's inevitable but just when I think they've reached the final nadir they find a way to keep going lower and uglier.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 12:46:37 PM PDT

  •  Show me... (1+ / 0-)
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    That anything hurts the GOP more than an election cycle.

    After them bounced back four years after Watergate  to dominate the '80s way back then.

    After them bouncing back so fast after the '08 crash with the '10 Tea Bagger wave.

    I sadly think that they got too much inertia and gerrymandering, and too many billionaires, bigots, businessmen, bible-beaters, rednecks, Rush and Ruperts propping them up.

    "If this Studebaker had anymore Atomic Space-Age Style, you'd have to be an astronaut with a geiger counter!"

    by Stude Dude on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 01:31:58 PM PDT

  •  Ted Cruz knows that in order to build something (3+ / 0-)
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    new, the old must be totally torn down. So what he's trying to do is completely kick apart the old GOP structure so it totally collapses, and then he can ride in like their White Knight and Chosen One, and rebuild an entirely new GOP from the scraps - into the kind of Party that he and his nutjob followers want it to be.

    I'm not locked up in here with you. YOU'RE locked up in here with ME.

    by Fordmandalay on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 01:43:17 PM PDT

    •  A regional, irrelevant, rump party (3+ / 0-)
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      Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

      by Gurnt on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 01:57:38 PM PDT

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      •  "It is better to rule in Hell, than to serve (1+ / 0-)
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        In Heaven" Thats been co-opted by the Republicans as their party slogan. That's why they only care about pandering to the Teahadists - it may only be less than 10% of the population, and they don't do any actual GOVERNING, but at least they're SENATOR (or Congressman) Leghorn!

        I'm not locked up in here with you. YOU'RE locked up in here with ME.

        by Fordmandalay on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 02:50:49 PM PDT

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  •  The GOP ACA problem (4+ / 0-)

    Republican lies only really work when they can't be verified up close and personal.  That's why birtherism is still around today - without the ability to actually touch those documents, there's still a chance to perpetrate that fraud.

    Not with ACA.  It's your insurance, which you didn't have before and got for the first time for years for cheap.  Up close and personal, and there's no lying about it anymore without provoking the ire of the newly insured.

    So far, the GOP has figured out a way to lie about just about anything.  ACA might prove to be the exception that proves that rule.

    When they call roll in the Senate, the Senators do not know whether to answer 'Present' or 'Not guilty'. --Teddy Roosevelt

    by thenekkidtruth on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 02:09:41 PM PDT

    •  Yup, imagine you're a Tea Party supporting loon (3+ / 0-)
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      Who's been ranting and raving like a lunatic to anyone who will listen about the evil Obamacare death panels that are going to destroy America.

      And you've put all your faith in Cruz and Rubio etc. who have told you how awful this law is and that they are going to stop it and protect you.

      Now imagine all this energy, all this expectation all this anger they've built up in you. All the bottled up hate and fear of this law.

      Then imagine you're disappointment when the law is not stopped.

      They've failed you.

      Then imagine you're confusion, turned to rage, when your neighbors, who for years you've been ranting to about Obamacare, start getting health insurance for their family, and it's reasonable, and there are no death panels.  And they remember your rants, and they start laughing at you and mocking you behind your back (or so you imagine).

      Imagine your embarrassment, you're shame.   The confusion and cognitive dissonance.

      How will you feel? Who will you blame? Will you be motivated to vote?

      And all this will be happening to the GOP's base going into '14.

      Imagine the most profound idea ever conceptualized occupying this space. Now expect exactly the opposite. You'll never be disappointed.

      by Gurnt on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 02:33:28 PM PDT

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  •  No it won't; they have no emotions because (1+ / 0-)
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    They are monsters. They aren't going anywhere because they serve the evil 1%. Their racist base turns out & votes for even more evil monsters.

    Hell is too good for them.

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 02:23:46 PM PDT

  •  "As long as you don't get... (1+ / 0-)
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    ...splattered with the entrails."

    This line necessitates this clip:

    Freedom isn't "on the march." Freedom dances.

    by WarrenS on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 02:24:15 PM PDT

  •  you can't crush a persecution complex (1+ / 0-)
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    Every defeat only validates their worldview.

    Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

    by Visceral on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 02:37:44 PM PDT

  •  awesome. this reads a lot like (1+ / 0-)
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    the conclusion to my Tea Party/Hysterical Right MA thesis, where I finally let loose and unleash a polemic. I called this whole GOP Obama insanity the South's last stand in a "civil war grudge re-match,

    but this time, it's for keeps. Whichever side prevails will claim the ultimate prize of the American self.
    Self-indulgent and lofty, perhaps. But allowing Obama to win on the ACA would amount to a massive blow to GOP white privilege in the twenty-first century. Fatal? Until recently, I thought not, but these new developments with Cruz and defunding Obamacare and the shutdown are indicating some serious cracks in the party. There's also a certain destabilizing structural effect going on as well, with GOP Senators speaking against one of their own and their House colleagues. And the RNC has to fit itself in there somewhere. Put this against the backdrop of imminent ACA implementation, and we have quite the tragedy playing out.

    I researched the Hysterical Right for four years from a political sociology persepctive, and the progression to what you discuss matches exactly with my calculus of the GOP's downward trajectory. Essentially, this is the kind of piece I would write; I see a lot of my own critical thinking and conceptualizations in yours.

    Well done. I will follow you!

    What do we want? Evidence-based change! When do we want it? After peer review!

    by puckmtl on Tue Sep 24, 2013 at 05:31:19 PM PDT

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