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U.S. House Speaker John Boehner (R-OH) speaks during a news conference on Capitol Hill in Washington, November 28, 2012. Boehner voiced optimism that Republicans could broker a deal with the White House to avoid year-end austerity measures, saying on Wedn
D'oh.
Maybe House Speaker John Boehner made his whackadoodle list of demands for the debt ceiling today to distract us all from the fact that he has no idea how in the hell he can avoid shutting down the government next week while simultaneously keeping his job.

First, he told reporters Thursday morning that it was too soon to speculate on what the House would do when the Senate sends them a "clean" continuing resolution bill, without the Obamacare defunding language the House included, followed immediately by saying the House wouldn't accept the Senate's bill.

Boehner (R-Ohio) did say that he would not accept the Senate’s bill, which extends government funding until Nov. 15, but keeps Obamacare in tact.

The House-passed bill extended funding until Dec. 15, but stripped out funding for Obamacare. If Boehner sends a bill back to the Senate with changes, it would raise the chances of a government shutdown on Oct. 1. Senate Democrats would likely reject any legislation that tries to chip away at Obama’s health care law. Both chambers might agree to a one-week government funding measure to avoid a shutdown and allow for some more wrangling.

Despite the differences—and lack of an articulated plan—Boehner said he did not “expect” a government shutdown to happen.

How can he be so sure? Probably because he's betting that he'll be bailed out by a Senate that is responsible, and when push comes to shove, they would very likely be willing to do very short term extensions—several days or a week or two—that would give Boehner more time to flail around in his conference.

Harry Reid shouldn't do that. It's back to the fiscal cliff brinksmanship of last December. Let them fall off the cliff, let them refuse to act to fund the government and put the government shut down on their heads. Stop playing the game and force Boehner to deal with the disaster he created. The fall-out from that might be enough to force him to cut loose the teabaggers in his conference in order to avert the real disaster he's setting up with the debt limit.

Stand with Daily Kos and the Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee in denouncing Republicans who would completely shut down the government just to destroy Obamacare.

Originally posted to Joan McCarter on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 10:25 AM PDT.

Also republished by Daily Kos.

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  •  Tip Jar (31+ / 0-)

    "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

    by Joan McCarter on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 10:25:45 AM PDT

  •  it would be unreasonable (5+ / 0-)
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    jennyp, Aunt Pat, JeffW, JerryNA, eparrot

    to deny a short term extension and that would be used against us.  If Boehner wants to flail around for another week, or month, or whatever, that's fine - he is only delaying the inevitable.

    •  if they do a weeklong extension, (9+ / 0-)

      at the end of the week, the Republicans will simply hold America hostage yet again and reiterate their crazy demands in exchange for yet another week to think about it.

      The shorter the extension, the more opportunities there are for the GOP to engage in hostage taking.

      The more opportunities for GOP hostage-taking, the more cuts. The more cuts, the better for the austerity fetishists--which is nearly everyone in Washington, President Obama included.

      This is why the intervals between the budget "negotiations" will start to get shorter and shorter, because both sides are getting impatient and want more cuts than they've been able to get thus far.

      Each time they "negotiate", they cut a little more. And each time, the Democrats refuse to end this state of perpetual crisis because they want political cover to push for more cuts.

      Given that all players involved want more austerity, there are two ways out of this vicious cycle. Either Obama gets his Grand Bargain, which will blow up the economy and destroy the Democratic party, or the GOP forces Obama to agree to big cuts in other things, which will blow up the economy and destroy the Democratic party.

      Either way, we lose. We've been stuck in this austerity death spiral for two and a half years now, and they're running out of things to cut. The damage is cumulative; each time they cut it hurts more. So pretty soon the real hemorrhaging will start. And it won't be pretty, whatever form the cuts take.

      "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

      by limpidglass on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 10:45:33 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I don't know (8+ / 0-)

        if I'm quite as pessimistic as you, but that's a pretty good synopsis of how it's been working.

        "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

        by Joan McCarter on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 10:57:19 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  the only way out is if the Democrats (5+ / 0-)

          stop supporting austerity, lay out an agenda that undoes the cuts and increases public spending on social services, and force the Republicans to back down decisively.

          Obama is not going to do that; he's angled for a Grand Bargain since the beginning of his presidency. So the beatings will continue until morale improves.

          Let me ask you: where do you think this is going to end? It's been going on for two and a half years now. The 2012 election, when the GOP lost House seats, didn't stop it. Obama's claims in January that "I won't negotiate" didn't stop it. Obama has not stopped it. What do you think will stop it, then?

          "In America, the law is king." --Thomas Paine

          by limpidglass on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 11:08:55 AM PDT

          [ Parent ]

          •  The Democratic Party leadership... (2+ / 0-)

            ...is all about austerity. Even after that austerity-pimping study by Rogoff and Reinhardt got thoroughly and embarrassingly debunked, the WH still hung out with Republicans to make the Grand Bargain happen.

            The President has been trying to get his Austerity Bomb passed since at least 2009. Rubin, Bowles, Simpson, and the other geriatric sociopaths want that Social Safety Net cut...and they've got the ear of the Democratic Party conservatives.

            After this, Obama's got what...at least 2-3 chances to get his "legacy" passed. An austerity legacy that will effectively cripple the party for a generation. No skin off his nose, though. He'll hit the speech circuit, write some books, and even might get to be the first billionaire president when he's out the door. Good for him, bad for the rest of us.

            The Grand Bargain must be stopped at all costs to protect the 99%.

            by cybrestrike on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 11:43:59 AM PDT

            [ Parent ]

      •  There is *always* more to cut (2+ / 0-)
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        JerryNA, Heart of the Rockies

        The Kochians want to cut all public expenditures. Eliminate (privatize) Social Security, Medicare/Medicaid, public Education, public highways,
        police, prisons, the military... Get rid of all those pesky regulatory agencies like the EPA and the FDA and the NIH and the whole of HHS. The Magic of the Market can solve all problems.

    •  agreed n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      wilderness voice

      Want a progressive global warming novel, not a right wing rant? Go to www.edwardgtalbot.com and check out New World Orders

      by eparrot on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 01:03:19 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$ (0+ / 1-)
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      wilderness voice

      my classmate's half-sister makes $79 every hour on the computer. She has been unemployed for nine months but last month her pay check was $19084 just working on the computer for a few hours. continue reading this..

      ---> http://www.works25.com

  •  Boehner has to let them close (18+ / 0-)

    the government.  They seek to punish America for re-electing the black president.  Demands are irrelevant.  This is a Republican orgy of hatred of America in action.  

    There will be a shutdown or the debt ceiling will be breached.  A shutdown is better.  But we may have both.

    And when there is a terrorist attack or something else that might have been prevented but could not be because of this crap, the Republicans will face a whipping of 1964 proportions in 2014.  

    Wall Street lost control of its Frankenstein monster.   The rs must go over the cliff.  The saner folks cannot control it.  

    Join us on the Black Kos front porch to review news and views written from a black pov—everyone is welcome.

    by TomP on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 10:38:55 AM PDT

  •  Boehner is such an uniquely ineffective Speaker (10+ / 0-)

    I could actually see the government shutting down.  I still don't understand how he has survived this long as Speaker.

  •  If it were up to me and the House sent me another (13+ / 0-)

    unacceptable bill, the only thing I would give back the 2nd time would be a CR that covers all of FY2014 at the pre-sequester levels and repeals the debt ceiling legislation entirely.

    Nothing temporary, nothing more to debate (until just before the 2014 elections!).

    Let them chew on that for awhile.

    Reid has a majority,  Let him show some leadership and push back just as hard as he is being pushed.  And do it with a 51 vote majority - not 60.

    Bullies & thugs (GOP) only respond to their own tactics.  So show some spin e & they'll back down.  Appease them and they keep going.

    •  I like the idea (5+ / 0-)

      behind it, but the politics are tricky. The big problem is that Dems have more or less let fighting the sequester go by the wayside. They haven't been hammering the awful effects of it and what it's doing to the economy. That's going to make it harder.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

      by Joan McCarter on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 11:02:21 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  fillibuster (0+ / 0-)

      Reid would have to go nuclear to get that out of the Senate.  

      At which point the Republicans would have made such a stink about "raising spending at this time of Record High Deficits(tm)" that Fox News/CNN would sell the shutdown as entirely justified and in the face of the Democrats rapacious need to spend-spend-spend.

      Pretty much guaranteeing a shutdown and then hitting the debt ceiling.  Banana republic, here we come!

  •  I don't think that he's capable of preventing (10+ / 0-)

    a shutdown at this point. He will get a clean bill form the Senate and won't be able to get it through his caucus. His only hope is to commit political suicide and throw out Hastert, passing the Senate bill with Democratic support. That would set the TeaBaggers against him so virulently that his days in the House would be short. He's not strong enough to stand up to that reality.
    But he has no other choice, no Plan B and no time to develope one.
    I don't think it's wise to give him a week extension to work it out, make him work it out with the Govt in shutdown, with his phone ringing off the hook, his eMail jammed, his staff in revolt, his mailbox stuffed with constituents screaming at him, at all of the GOPjerks.
    Among other things, that will chastise him from repeating the bullsh!t in two weeks over the debt ceiling.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 10:53:20 AM PDT

    •  The only way he's capable (5+ / 0-)

      of avoiding it is through really short-term extensions. But that's not going to resolve any of his problems.

      "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

      by Joan McCarter on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 11:00:23 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  I think there are better options (0+ / 0-)

        For example, there is the platinum coin option. But that's not the end of the list. Here is a link which describes some of the others:

        http://neweconomicperspectives.org/...

        I am worried that the Grand Bargain may arise as the administration's proposed solution, allowing the President to be "forced" into cutting Social Security and Medicare.

        Carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is now 400ppm. That is "Climate Cluster Chaos". (hat tip to JeffW for CCC)

        by Zinman on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 11:37:46 AM PDT

        [ Parent ]

        •  Platinum coin (2+ / 0-)
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          Zinman, cybersaur

          is the possible answer by the administration to the debt ceiling--that's to cover debts already incurred. It wouldn't keep the lights on in the government starting next week in the new fiscal year.

          When we do get to the debt ceiling, though, I worry about those same GB concerns.

          "The NSA’s capability at any time could be turned around on the American people, and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything. [...] There would be no place to hide."--Frank Church

          by Joan McCarter on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 01:06:35 PM PDT

          [ Parent ]

  •  So despite the proclamations of MSNBC (4+ / 0-)

    Ted Cruz actually accomplished something, he burned up 21 hours on a drop dead clock.

    I want 1 less Tiny Coffin, Why Don't You? Support The President's Gun Violence Plan.

    by JML9999 on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 11:05:15 AM PDT

  •  One thing we know about Boehner (4+ / 0-)
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    Stude Dude, JeffW, JerryNA, cybersaur

    is that given the choice between preventing an entirely self-inflicted global economic calamity and keeping his Speakership, he'll opt to keep his job.

  •  The challenge (2+ / 0-)
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    erratic, JerryNA

    If they let the government shut down, they get all the blame and it mounts up fast.

    The debt ceiling has more serious implications.  If you have a money market fund, it's probably in treasury instruments and they need to maintain a cash reserve.  Since the government is not servicing them, it all goes into the secondary market, which will charge a premium.  The question is how the rest of the world reacts.  If the reaction is, "it's just the teabaggers, nothing to worry" those risk premiums will go away fairly quickly and the position of the US dollar as the preferable reserve currency and the position of T-bills as zero-risk investments will stay.  If not, in the current economic environment, interest rates will jump by several points and keep climbing until it's resolved.

  •  Somebody call the FBI..Boner is being held hostage (0+ / 0-)

    by terrists......again.

  •  This is no way to run a lemonade stand (6+ / 0-)

    much less the government of the world's largest economy.

    “Americans are fighters. We're tough, resourceful and creative, and if we have the chance to fight on a level playing field, where everyone pays a fair share and everyone has a real shot, then no one - no one - can stop us. ”-- Elizabeth Warren

    by Positronicus on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 11:08:50 AM PDT

  •  Remember how we had an election (3+ / 0-)

    and health care was a big part of it and how the American people elected the GOP to ... wait, no, that's not what happened.

    US taxpayers pay over 70m a year for the House of Rep's salary.  That doesn't include their pensions, family health care and other freebies - (free parking, discounted housing etc).  We should get a house that actually takes care of the people.

  •  Will veterans and SS receipents get (1+ / 0-)
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    paid ?   I think checks are delayed?  Am I right on that?

    We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

    by Vetwife on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 11:10:11 AM PDT

  •  Surprised no one is challenging Boner in primary (0+ / 0-)

    John Boner has been in the U.S. House of Representatives since the early 1990's but considering his reputation now has thereby been shot, it would be interesting to see a Tea Party candidate to issue a primary challenge to Boner.

    I know as far as a Democratic candidate, Andrew Hounshell ended his campaign a couple months after he announced his run and from what I've come to understand, it ain't easy being a Democrat in OH-08 as the local parties there don't seem to be well-organized and the Congressional District is deep red.

    Now maybe an Independent would emerge.  If he/she would be caucusing with the Democrats, why not vote for him/her?

  •  Progress sometimes requires failure (2+ / 0-)
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    Sometimes the only way to properly fix something is to let it fail catastrophically first.  This is true when management doesn't actually believe your predictions of failure.  In this case, the Dems should do what's right and let the Repubs blather all they want to.  The Dems can just wait patiently for the Repubs to throw their temper tantrums and once they run out of steam and vote for a reality-based budget the process can move forward.  It's time for the Dems to grow some spine and let the Repubs dig their own grave without any help.

  •  One interesting "tell" here (2+ / 0-)
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    is that to my knowledge, there hasn't been much official discussion of what would actually happen in a gov't shutdown. Certainly not like what we saw last time.

    That suggests to me either that they key players know how this is going to play out, or that there's some way to finesse the situation, leaving Boehner some additional time to dangle while making it clear that Republican intransigence is to blame.

  •  Discharge petition (0+ / 0-)

    The simple solution is for the Dems to get about 20 sane
    republicans to sign a discharge petition on the
    senate bill. I know they couldn't find 10 honest men in Sodom, but there have to be 20 sane gopers in the House.

    It would save Boehner's ass because he wouldn't have to make the decision.

    •  I dunno... (2+ / 0-)
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      highacidity, JerryNA

      ...20 seems like a high estimate.  And it's still not a guarantee that a clean bill makes it thorough the House.  The Republican machine dislikes aisle jumpers even more than unions dislike scabs, and the blowback would be significant.  Only the GOPTurds that felt really REALLY secure in their jobs would dare cross Reince that way.

      But for the Dems there's not really a lot to lose.  Either the discharge petition succeeds, in which case you have a chance at passing the CR with the help of a few less-crazy R's, or it fails in which case there's still a shutdown, but they can point to the petition as an attempt to avert it.  Better still Boner is exposed as the ineffectual turd he is.

      I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

      by mojo11 on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 11:48:28 AM PDT

      [ Parent ]

    •  Can a discharge petition be filed in this case? (0+ / 0-)

      My understanding is that it can only be used when something has been held up in committee for 30 days. I don't think you can force discharge when there hasn't been a certain amount of delay.

      I could be wrong about that, though

      Want a progressive global warming novel, not a right wing rant? Go to www.edwardgtalbot.com and check out New World Orders

      by eparrot on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 01:11:04 PM PDT

      [ Parent ]

      •  Another option (0+ / 0-)

        For the debt limit, if I were Reid I'd just write a one sentence bill 'Under article ... of the constitution the President is authorized to encumber debt to pay all legally enacted obligations..." and send it to the House, daring them to vote against the Constitution.

  •  Sir John of Orange's job is safe (1+ / 0-)
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    CTMET

    He could lose his job? How? Who would want it? Anyone who might follow him will wind up with the exact same problems he has with a totally dysfunctional House. Would the new speaker be able to do anything that Boehner hasn't tried? I'd be very surprised. I'd think everyone in his party is happy just to watch him drown in his own muck.

    On the other hand, it doesn't say anywhere in the Constitution that the next Speaker has to be a member of Congress. Any suggestions? Kos perhaps?

    "Reality has a well-known liberal bias." - Stephen Colbert

    by Rob Dapore on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 11:29:35 AM PDT

  •  Signed. I've signed so many petitions, I hope (0+ / 0-)

    I didn't already sign this one.

    I really resent my tax dollars going to pay these assholes' salaries and bennies. I'd love to trade them in for working models.

    "The object of persecution is persecution. The object of torture is torture. The object of power is power. Now do you begin to understand me?" ~Orwell, "1984"

    by Lily O Lady on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 11:31:04 AM PDT

  •  I have been speaking with some of the locals (1+ / 0-)
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    around my town, which hosts a National Park as well as a Marine Corps base. Almost every one of them has been affected by the sequestration. The thought of the impact of a government shutdown on top of that is more than most want to consider.

    Especially since, in the past, when the GOP has shut the government down, the Congress has voted to back-pay federal employees their wages from the shutdown, it is unlikely that this tea party House will do the same.

  •  I will move forward all of my governing needs. (1+ / 0-)
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    mspicata

    I wanted to have my fall foliage vacation first and then invade Venezuela, but I guess I can switch them around.

    You know, I sometimes think if I could see, I'd be kicking a lot of ass. -Stevie Wonder at the Glastonbury Festival, 2010

    by Rich in PA on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 11:53:32 AM PDT

  •  So how many of those insane demands will be (0+ / 0-)

    Agreed to? Many of the pundits and 'experts' I've heard today say three or four, and blithely predict that the Keystone pipeline is the 'easy' one, in order to placate the R base. All I can say is it better be NONE, although I have nothing left to threaten with - I told the Dem committee that if Harry Reid didn't follow up on filibuster return in July, they could expect no further donations from me. And I guess you know how THAT turned out.

    I'm not locked up in here with you. YOU'RE locked up in here with ME.

    by Fordmandalay on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 12:04:32 PM PDT

  •  The GOP IS the party of entitilements.... (1+ / 0-)
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    Could you image if the Democrats tried a stunt like this.
    The media would crucify them as traitors and anarchist.
    To think they would use extortion and blackmail to hold our beloved democracy hostage for their own unpatriotic ends.

    •  This reflects a misunderstanding of anarchism (0+ / 0-)

      Anarchism isn't simply being "against government" but rather against unjust authority, including central government, hierarchy, oligarchy, an owner class, etc.

      Anarchists are thus anti-capitalist, since capitalism is based on an owner class which controls and exploits a working class.

      Tea Partiers and Republicans are against government only to the extent that it supports the working class and regulates the owner class. They support capitalism completely, and thus they support oligarchy and they support the owner class, and they support property rights, which includes state enforcement of private property rights (police), and they support the exploitation of wage labor.

      Anarchists would replace the state with federations of participatory communities on local, regional, national and international levels, would abolish private ownership of the means of production, and all "government" would be bottom up, and horizontal in organization.

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 05:49:57 PM PDT

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  •  - Photo Caption: (0+ / 0-)

    .
    After swallowing 3 of them, Speaker Boehner realizes those "Smart Pills" were actually rabbit turds.

  •  December 15 2013, then we do this Again??? (0+ / 0-)

    Notice: This Comment © 2013 ROGNM UID 2547

    by ROGNM on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 01:50:04 PM PDT

  •  I'm kinda thinking... (1+ / 0-)
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    ... No, it won't.  The Dems will cave - AGAIN!!! - and the Repukes will get whatever the hell they want "in the interest of bipartisanship."

    Our Dem politicos will tell us it was the best deal they could make under the circumstances (so STFU and go watch reality shows is what they'll add by implication).

    If it does not fall out that way, get me the smelling salts, I'll clutch my pearls in shock, and you can guide me to a fainting couch.

    I'm sick of attempts to steer this nation from principles evolved in The Age of Reason to hallucinations derived from illiterate herdsmen. ~ Crashing Vor

    by NonnyO on Thu Sep 26, 2013 at 04:52:15 PM PDT

  •  Make Cryin' John "SHIT OR GET OFF THE POT" (0+ / 0-)

    No extensions.

    No compromises.

    No negotiations.

    Up or down vote on the Senate version of the bill in the House.

    "The battle, sir, is not to the strong alone; it is to the vigilant, the active, the brave." -- Patrick Henry

    by BornDuringWWII on Fri Sep 27, 2013 at 01:16:40 AM PDT

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