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Once upon a time, there was a football team that only played defense, and another football team that only played offense. One of them wore blue jerseys, and the other one wore red jerseys. Guess which one won all the games?

Folks, look: Just being on the field doesn't mean you're winning. Winning games means enacting your policies into law.

Currently, the red team is winning the games, despite the fact that the blue team controls the Presidency and the Senate -- two out of three of the "fields" where the games are being played.

We have minority rule in this country. It's time to wake up. The Republicans have discovered how to achieve their policy goals without winning most of the elections.

The current Republican government shutdown has only shut down the parts of the government that Democrats believe in: things like support for the poor, education, scientific research, national parks, and other things that directly benefit the American people. Other parts of the government -- the parts that Republicans believe in -- remain funded and open: things like the bloated military and the domestic spying agencies and programs.

So, who's "winning" the shutdown? The red team, that's who. Forget about the polls. I'm talking about policy. Right now, the Republicans are getting exactly what they want from government -- a gigantic, well-funded military and "war on terror" apparatus, and little else -- while Democrats are getting almost nothing that we want from government.

But the government shutdown can't go on forever, right? That's when the Democrats will win -- after the shutdown ends -- right?

Well, let's think about that. Because of their outrageous demands -- their brilliant opening position in the inevitable negotiations -- the final outcome is likely to be a conservative-leaning budget. President Obama and the Democrats could be matching the boldness of the Republicans by making staunch ideological demands of their own: things like new jobs programs, major infrastructure spending programs, increases to spending on science and education, expansion of Obamacare, Medicare and Medicaid to cover more people, and so on and so forth. Instead, they are only playing defense.

I'm sorry to say, but in policy battles, just like in football games, it's hard to score -- and nearly impossible to win the game -- unless you get your defense off the field and play some good offense. The Democrats aren't even trying to play offense. It's all D, all the time.

Oh, but you CAN score on defense -- with an interception. The Democrats' strategy seems to be to count on the Republicans having such a reckless, inept offense that the defensive team can win just by taking advantage of the Republicans' mistakes. Theoretically, yes. In reality, it's not working that way. The field is slanted against the Democrats through gerrymandering. Even if Republicans are very unpopular, they can still barely hang on to the House in 2014. To continue with the football analogy, it's like they get to start their drives at the 40 yard line and we have to start at the 10.

Besides, if the final result of the Republican hostage-taking with the government shutdown and the debt ceiling is a budget that slashes the government -- in return for the Republicans "graciously compromising" by allowing the whole government to open for business and for the executive branch to pay all the government's debts -- then forget about getting the Democratic base to come out to the polls in 2014. Why should Democrats bother to vote for politicians who can only keep moving to the right, just a little less fast, a little less extreme in the austerity, than the Republicans?

We have a big problem on our hands. The Republicans know that all they have to do to keep the austerity train moving is to keep throwing sand in the gears of our democracy -- because whatever "compromise" that comes out of the eventual negotiations will be a compromise between a closed-down government and a threat of default, on the one hand, and a moderate austerity budget (as proposed by President Obama and the Senate) on the other hand. So Republicans win the policy game... as usual.

Things will continue to go this way until Democrats decide to play offense and make truly liberal opening bids in negotiations. Asking Republicans to kindly reopen the rest of the government in addition to the always-open, always grotesquely over-funded military, and to kindly stop threatening economic catastrophe through a first-ever default on the nation's debts, in exchange for agreeing to a "compromise" budget that will end up looking much like Paul Ryan's and the Koch brothers' fantasies, is just another example of conservative rule in America.

Sorry, but it smells like defeat for the left -- and it stinks.

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  •  Tip Jar (23+ / 0-)

    The most serious problem in American politics today is that people with wrong ideas are uncompromising, and people with good ideas are submissive and unwilling to fight. Change that, and we might have a real democracy again.

    by Eric Stetson on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 01:19:46 PM PDT

  •  Though I may be a minority around here... (13+ / 0-)

    I don't believe this is unintended.

    The right wing policies win because both sides want them and to think all democrats are some how inept and unable to negotiate, just means the game is working as intended.

    The Democratic Party itself (not all individuals with D before their name though) is trying to achieve many of the same goals as the Republicans, they just have to look like they aren't.

    Its not Democrats that are the problem its the party apparatus thats been corrupted as much as the Republicans.

    The greatest shortcoming of the human race is our inability to understand the exponential function [Albert A. Bartlett]

    by fToRrEeEsSt on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 01:31:56 PM PDT

  •  Irony can be pretty ironic sometimes (7+ / 0-)

    considering that the whole shutdown-default-burn it all down brawl is about a policy enacted into law by Democrats

    Folks, look: Just being on the field doesn't mean you're winning. Winning games means enacting your policies into law.
    but I'll most likely be told that one doesn't count, because it's not bold enough or because conservatives came up with the initial idea, and never mind that they all disown it now.

    Guns don't kill people. It's impossible to be killed by a gun. We are all invincible to bullets, and it's a miracle. -- this message brought to you by the Night Vale chapter of the N.R.A.

    by tytalus on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 01:33:05 PM PDT

    •  I don't think the shutdown is about Obamacare. (7+ / 0-)

      I think that is simply a ruse, because the Republicans have known all along that Obama would never agree to defund his signature policy achievement.

      The shutdown is Republican leverage to try to force Obama to agree to something like the Ryan budget. And frankly, I suspect they will get their wish. The shutdown will work. Obama will sign an austerity budget, because he hasn't shown the spine to put a liberal budget on the table in the negotiations (or he simply doesn't believe in such a budget).

      The most serious problem in American politics today is that people with wrong ideas are uncompromising, and people with good ideas are submissive and unwilling to fight. Change that, and we might have a real democracy again.

      by Eric Stetson on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 01:37:21 PM PDT

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      •  Question: (5+ / 0-)
        he hasn't shown the spine to put a liberal budget on the table in the negotiations
        Which negotiations?

        There is no existence without doubt.

        by Mark Lippman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 01:53:20 PM PDT

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        •  Exactly! What is the poster talking about? (2+ / 0-)
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          •  Obama has already proposed a budget. See above. (2+ / 0-)
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            The negotiations are the discussions between politicians, and in the media, about the budget. And that has already been going on for quite a while. I'm not talking about only the "formal" negotiations to end the government shutdown. I'm talking about discussions about what the next budget should be like.

            The most serious problem in American politics today is that people with wrong ideas are uncompromising, and people with good ideas are submissive and unwilling to fight. Change that, and we might have a real democracy again.

            by Eric Stetson on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:03:15 PM PDT

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            •  I mean see comment below with link. n/t (0+ / 0-)

              The most serious problem in American politics today is that people with wrong ideas are uncompromising, and people with good ideas are submissive and unwilling to fight. Change that, and we might have a real democracy again.

              by Eric Stetson on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:05:47 PM PDT

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        •  Obama has already proposed a budget. (5+ / 0-)
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          And a rather conservative one:

          In his most recent budget plan, [President Obama] proposed reducing Medicare spending by $371 billion over 10 years by taking money from provider groups including hospitals, managed-care plans and nursing homes.
          Source: http://www.bloomberg.com/...

          The most serious problem in American politics today is that people with wrong ideas are uncompromising, and people with good ideas are submissive and unwilling to fight. Change that, and we might have a real democracy again.

          by Eric Stetson on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:00:22 PM PDT

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          •  I say the same thing about offense and defense and (2+ / 0-)
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            I think I commented about that yesterday.  The Democrats would improve their game by turning the tables on Republicans.  

            The budget process falls under the Congressional Budget Act of 1974. It requires the President to submit a budget each year in the first quarter.  It's a recommendation only since the Constitution is clear on the separation of powers.  Only Congress can authorize spending.  

            I wouldn't make a mountain out of Obama's 2014 budget,  since it's the one passed by the Senate that matters and reflects Democratic policy.  I have to point out that the Medicare item in Obama's budget totals $7.046 trillion for the period 2014-2023.  The Ryan budget in the House totals $6.556 trillion for the same period.

            There is no existence without doubt.

            by Mark Lippman on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:38:46 PM PDT

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  •  Asdf (11+ / 0-)

    As is often true, The West Wing said it best:

    "I'm tired of (liberals) cowering in the corner and saying, "please don't hurt me!".....

    Obama must stand firm that the CR must be passed and the debt limit raised BEFORE ONE SINGLE THING IS NEGOTIATED,

    Period,

    Anything else and the GOP recovers its numbers by next Fall and the tactic will have worked.

    The best way to tell a Democrat from a Republican is to present someone requiring food and shelter. The Democrat will want them housed and fed, even if they be faking need. The Republican will gladly see them starve until all doubt is removed.

    by GayIthacan on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 01:38:33 PM PDT

    •  Democrats bringing out their budget plans now (4+ / 0-)

      would be negotiating.  Maybe not in Congress, but in the media.  I agree - nothing with the government closed and nothing with the debt ceiling hanging over everyone's head.  The negotiations will be needed, but there's no reason to keep the government shut down while they go on.  The Republicans have refused to negotiate all year since they wanted the shutdown.  They're not wanting to give up that plum now, but they're hurting themselves and the whole country while the fiddle around with ridiculous negotiation demands.  Well, pass a clean CR and the clean debt limit increase and we can negotiate.  Offering them negotiations before that just rewards them for their actions.

  •  Harry Reid said this today: (8+ / 0-)

    http://talkingpointsmemo.com/...

    Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) dismissed Thursday the notion of negotiations with House Republicans before the federal government reopens.

    "Not gonna happen," Reid said in response to a reporter's question after Senate Democrats met with President Obama.

    Funny Stuff at http://www.funnyordie.com/oresmas

    by poopdogcomedy on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 01:47:42 PM PDT

    •  I'm glad. But when the negotiations happen (1+ / 0-)
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      what will really matter is the policy that comes out of that. Is Reid planning to propose a hard-left budget, just like how the House GOP has proposed a hard-right budget? What about Obama? If the answer is no, and the Democrats will open negotiations with a moderate austerity budget, then the Republicans will have already won.

      The most serious problem in American politics today is that people with wrong ideas are uncompromising, and people with good ideas are submissive and unwilling to fight. Change that, and we might have a real democracy again.

      by Eric Stetson on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 01:51:24 PM PDT

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      •  But even if they did propose a hard left budget, (1+ / 0-)
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        what chances would that even pass?  Especially with this House.  You have to remember some of these guys aren't safe from the Tea Party and will really come after any Republican for voting for a far left budget.  I get what you're saying but the way I see it, Republicans are losing here, especially from the polling.  To me, if it hurts them in next year's elections, it's a win.  Shit's really not going to get better until a lot of these clowns on both the federal and local levels are defeated.  5 Pennsylvania GOP Congressmen from swing districts signed on for a clean CR vote.  That shows that even a grossly gerrymandered map that favors you can't protect you.  Plus Democrats can remind voters about the shutdown and emphasize this point: "They did it before, they could do it again."

        Funny Stuff at http://www.funnyordie.com/oresmas

        by poopdogcomedy on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:25:09 PM PDT

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        •  The result of negotiation is usually the middle (4+ / 0-)
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          which is between the two opening bids. So if one side's opening bit is fanatical, the other side's has to be equally fanatical. Otherwise, the "middle" will be seen as in between a fanatical right-wing proposal and a centrist proposal, i.e. the middle, the "compromise" result of the negotiation, will skew to the right of center.

          The most serious problem in American politics today is that people with wrong ideas are uncompromising, and people with good ideas are submissive and unwilling to fight. Change that, and we might have a real democracy again.

          by Eric Stetson on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:34:18 PM PDT

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  •  the Repugs have already gotten most of what they (10+ / 0-)

    want.  The government has already been cut to the sequester level of spending (a little lower than Ryan's proposed budget, IIRC). And now the Dems are already talking "deal" on "entitlements".

    If this is our side "winning", I'd sure hate to see "losing" . . . .

    (sigh)

    •  And their latest move is so predictable... (0+ / 0-)

      offering to raise the debt ceiling while the government stays shut down. To me that means: the 'market' will see gains for the 1% as trading and stability resume, while those eating cat food can still go without. Yep, so typical. If we take this 'bargain' we are toast. If we take anything they offer, EVER, even if the government reopens, we are toast.

  •  Typical defeatism from the Left. Can't you wait (2+ / 0-)
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    until it's over to say "I told you so"?

    You left out one big part of the problem, either Democrats won't come out and vote consistently, r the voters aren't so keen on the ideas you think should be enacted.

    "Because I am a river to my people."

    by lordcopper on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:13:34 PM PDT

    •  Or, could it be that voters are being betrayed by (5+ / 0-)

      the people they elect to office? I doubt very much that the average voter wants the kind of austerity budgets that the government has been enacting in recent years, yet no matter who people vote for, that's what we keep getting. I think it's because politicians are too comfortable due to gerrymandering and receive too much of their money from corporate lobbyists.

      The most serious problem in American politics today is that people with wrong ideas are uncompromising, and people with good ideas are submissive and unwilling to fight. Change that, and we might have a real democracy again.

      by Eric Stetson on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:21:26 PM PDT

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      •  Don't kid yourself, austerity sells. Now when the (1+ / 0-)
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        effects of austerity hit home, nobody likes it very much.  But by then, the smart politician is already telling them who to blame.  It's even easier if the average voter is predisposed to a certain conclusion.

        You figure out a way to communicate a primer in economics/history/law to the average voter, and you just may solve this nation's problems.  Until then, let's see if we can "maintain order and discipline in the ranks", at least until the first shot is fired.  Then everyone can break ranks and run for their lives.

        "Because I am a river to my people."

        by lordcopper on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:29:42 PM PDT

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    •  So you're saying... (0+ / 0-)

      It's better to keep quiet and deny reality, then?

      Because keeping quiet, and "maintaining order and discipline in the ranks," as you say in another comment, will have as much of a positive impact on this situation as not doing so will have a negative impact, or something.

      This, too, is a typical response.




      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

      by DeadHead on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 03:36:53 PM PDT

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      •  Look, there are only two appropriate courses of (1+ / 0-)
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        action when the "ship of state" is taking on water,  Either grab an oar and row, or grab a bucket and bail.  Wait until you're on dry land to start the finger pointing and second guessing.  

        Is that typical enough for you?

        "Because I am a river to my people."

        by lordcopper on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 04:13:53 PM PDT

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        •  Yes. It's typical enough for me. (1+ / 0-)
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          It's the "now's not a good time, because [excuse]" argument in slightly different packaging.

          Thanks for clearing that up.




          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

          by DeadHead on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 05:19:02 PM PDT

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  •  The discussion about policy ended (7+ / 0-)

    ...the moment the GOP House imposed their rule and went into a shutdown.

    There are only two issues right now:
    (1) Avoiding a trainwreck from the debt ceiling
    (2) Restarting the government and resuming normal operations.

    Which means an unconditional increase in the debt ceiling to cover the time during which the Democrats and Republicans can have orderly negotiations.

    And a continuing resolution authorizing expenditures to continue during that same period.

    After the end to the freeze on the debt ceiling is in place, the first order of business is ending the possibility of that ever being used again as a tactic.  The way to pretend there is still a debt ceiling is to reinstitute the Gephardt Rule on the Congressional budget.  The way to fix it is to repeal the debt ceiling law completely.

    The next move is to pass a law that continues appropriations at existing levels until a new appropriation law passes.  That takes away another possible shutdown.

    The GOP should not get out of this without punishment.  There should be an appropriation to make whole all those who suffered from the shutdown.

    Then, the Demcratic demands should be:
    1. Financial transfer tax
    2. Increase in Social Security benefit payments
    3. Increase in minimum wage to $15/hour
    4. End to the sequester.

    To the extent that the empty policies of the House Republicans are being exposed to their constituents along with the fact that they have been lying about Obamacare for three years, the Democrats are "winning" the shutdown.  The Democrats really don't have to do anything but keep their mouths shut in order to do that.

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:23:36 PM PDT

    •  Good comment. I'm not sure I agree with all of it (1+ / 0-)
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      but I think something like what you're suggesting would make a lot of sense.

      I think the area where I'm most uncertain is whether the Democrats will be able to get away with not negotiating at all while there's a government shutdown, if the Republicans agree to raise the debt ceiling but keep the government shut down. I suspect the media will pressure "both sides to come to the table" to reach a budget deal and end the shutdown, after the debt ceiling issue is no longer in play.

      We'll see. In any case, what really matters in the end is whether the Democrats are willing to give away most of their preferred policies, and bow to Republican policy demands on most budgetary issues, in exchange for reopening the government. I am worried that they will. Because I truly think the Republicans are willing to keep the government shut down for months and months, since their precious military is still being funded. We have to remember that the only thing the average Republicans wants the government to do is the military -- all the other stuff, they'd just as soon do away with.

      The most serious problem in American politics today is that people with wrong ideas are uncompromising, and people with good ideas are submissive and unwilling to fight. Change that, and we might have a real democracy again.

      by Eric Stetson on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:31:24 PM PDT

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      •  The Republicans shut down the government (3+ / 0-)
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        Their name is on that.  They have to take the action to deal with that.

        The first task after they provide breathing room for the debt ceiling is negotiate the end of the debt ceiling.  The fact that the government is still shut down puts pressure on the GOP.  Unless they want to pass a clean continuing resolution to take that pressure off.

        That's how that plays.  The House GOP is still trying to maneuver a win out of a failed suicide mission.  If Democrats focus on disarming them of their weapons as a precondition for anything else.  The "hostage-taking" frame on what the GOP has done resonates with the public, even in GOP strongholds.

        What deals with their military over-emphasis is peace.  McCain and Graham, and today Flake, are deathly afraid of peace breaking out and taking away the logic for large military spending.

        The GOP might be willing to keep the government shut down for months and months, but their constituents who have just rediscovered what parts of the government they depend on won't allow them that privilege.  If they persist into next year, the voters will destroy the Republican Party.  And there are GOP politicians smart enough to understand that.  All it takes is for 16 or 17 of them to break ranks, or if Boehner won't allow a vote, change party, to move legislation through the House with the help of Democratic votes.

        50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

        by TarheelDem on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 02:49:36 PM PDT

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  •  I disagree, we ARE winning on policy (2+ / 0-)
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    I disagree, we ARE winning on policy--because Obamacare is rolling out.  The exchanges have rolled out, providing badly needed healthcare to millions who need it.

    This is HUGE.  And it is a huge win, over and above everything else going on with the shutdown.

    To see how big, you have to compare it to the signature domestic policy "achievements" of the previous Presidents.

    President George W Bush - His signature achievements would have been privatizing Social Security and immigration reform.  Both went down in flames.

    President Bill Clinton - His signature achievements would have been Hillarycare and the Assault Weapons Ban.  The former went down in flames.  The AWB cost him as much in Congress as Obamacare cost us in 2010...but this was a longer lasting defeat.  The AWB itself was undone, and with it any hopes of any more gun control legislation.

    President George HW Bush - His signature achievement would have been a ban on flag burning.  Seriously.

    President Ronald Reagan - His signature achievement was firing a bunch of air traffic controllers.  Other than that, his Presidency is more about a bunch of things he DIDN'T do rather than what he DID do.

    Other than President Reagan, all of the above Presidents paid a political price for their first term.  Clinton and Dubya at least did so while trying to do something "big"...but they failed.  Obama did so while trying to do something big...and succeeding.

    Make no mistake, Obamacare is not going to be taken away like the AWB.  It directly benefits too many people...if it goes away, it will be because it's replaced by something better.

    •  Winning a battle is not winning the war. I'm (1+ / 0-)
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      much less concerned with Obama's legacy as I am about the actual impacts policy is having on the American people.  While the ACA is a positive step, it's far from what it should have been.  When coupled with all the devastating cuts and the increased transfer of wealth to the 1% from the 47%, no, we're not winning.

  •  Oh god (4+ / 0-)
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    why is it that liberals can't just accept that they're winning sometimes?  There's always some evil machination going on behind the scenes and somehow we'll lose in the end.  What a loser mentality.  Oh Noz.  We're gonna lose, even though we're winning.  I just know our team is gonna fumble the ball.  I haven't seen such defeatism outside of Boston in October.  

    In the short term the GOP may have gotten more of their policies enacted and it sure seems like we're living in a conservative era where their policies dominate.  

    However, everything is cyclical and right now what we're witnessing is the end of the conservative era.  They're in their death throes.  We've seen their policies in action, they failed.  People are getting tired of their bullshit.  Even with the propaganda spewing from the MSM 24/7, people are seeing with their lying eyes the truth.  

    We're poised for a great progressive future but we're unable to see it because we're stuck in the daily gyrations of instant news.  if we just took a step back and looked at how things are unfolding we'd see that all we have to do is remain strong and steadfast.  They GOP is losing, the conservatives are panicking and for once Harry Reid has a fucking spine.  Last thing we need is this defeatist attitude.  We're winning politically.  Now's the time to step on their necks harder and break them for good so that we can win legislatively as well.

    This is your world These are your people You can live for yourself today Or help build tomorrow for everyone -8.75, -8.00

    by DisNoir36 on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 03:26:19 PM PDT

    •  Just WIN Baby!!! (0+ / 0-)

      _errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr......

      However, everything is cyclical and right now what we're witnessing is the end of the conservative era.  They're in their death throes
      Hah Hhahh hahh! Right. Unfortunately I've seen this movie before; i.e. when Obama won in 2008, "expert pundits" like James Carville were out there hootin' and hollerin' about a "40 year democratic dynasty".

      then came the shellacking in the 2010 midterm which saw the teabagger mob swept into office, and more than a few clownservative governors elected like Walker in WI.

      so what happened to the "democratic dynasty"??

      GOP arseholes trying to get rid of the social safety is net is nothing new.. they've been at it since FDR pushed thru the early programs.

      the notion the GOP is going to die and go away is laughable. they've been chipping away at middle class wealth for decades and now we see the result: record-breaking wealth inequity and a huge increase in the child poverty rate.

      FAIL.

      "The 1% don't want SOLUTIONS; they've worked very hard the last four decades to get conditions the way they are now".

      by Superpole on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 04:48:23 PM PDT

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  •  Obama capitulated on Monday (1+ / 0-)
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    when he told addressed FEMA employees that he and the Democrats were willing to funds government with Republican priorities:

    "The bill that is being presented to end the government shutdown reflects Republican priorities," Obama said, addressing federal employees at FEMA in Washington. "It's the Republican budget. The funding levels of this short-term funding bill, called the CR, is far lower than what Democrats think it should be.

    "Nevertheless Democrats are prepared to put the majority of votes on it to fund the government," he added. "When you hear government not compromising, we're compromising so much we're willing to open the government at funding levels that reflect Republican wishes, that don't at all reflect our wishes."

    Both sides are playing chicken with the debt ceiling but it is in the president's power to end it.

    I'm with Atrios: Mint the coin. Then negotiate

    If only to watch their heads explode.


    "Information is power. But like all power there are those who want to keep it for themselves" Aaron Swartz, 1986 - 2013
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    by TheMomCat on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 03:30:25 PM PDT

  •  The GOP is 'winning' themselves (1+ / 0-)
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    noreaster88

    into losing the House.

    I think you should reevaluate.

    Der Weg ist das Ziel

    by duhban on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 05:01:50 PM PDT

  •  Fucking (0+ / 0-)

    Outstanding analogy and analysis especially in light of the Ryan budget returning to the table as the carrot to compel Obama to capitulate to the Tea Party to preserve economic stability. Democrats and Obama are a joke. Last good Democrat was the 2004 era of Howard Dean.  

    I take political action every day. I teach.

    by jbfunk on Thu Oct 10, 2013 at 05:35:04 PM PDT

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