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WAPO has a pretty good article tonight discussing the sense of urgency among Republicans (well mainly Senate Republicans + Boehner and about 20 House GOPers in blue states) to end the shutdown and lift the debt ceiling.

Here is a brief summary and some observations:

- Obama rejected the latest House proposal which offered up an end to the shutdown (CR through Thanksgiving) a 6 week debt ceiling increase, a repeal of the sequester and medicare cuts.  1 guess on who came up with that crappy guessed it, Paul Ryan!  Jay Carney indicated that the short length of the debt ceiling/CR and the extortion were problems (go figure!). Ryan has been busy trying to scuttle deals. I believe he wants to push this into default to further test Obama's mettle.  The man is a dangerous sociopath and every Democrat should contribute to Rob Zerban, and every Democrat living in Wisconsin should rent a PO box in Janesville and register to vote there.  

- Obama has been more welcoming of the Senate GOP's ideas.  Susan Collins is credited as the original drafter, but the real work seems to be happening through Lisa Murkowski and Lindsay Graham.  Graham has reached out to Boehner and urged him to support a Senate GOP proposal as a joint offering.  It would reportedly raise the debt ceiling through Jan 31, 2014, end the shutdown and pass a 6 month CR at sequester levels but allow departments more flexibility to allocate money.  In return the GOP wants some fig leaf concessions from the WH. Ideas on the table include a 2 year delay in the medical device tax, a change in the ACA definition of full time worker to 40 hrs per week, and income verification (already exists).

Graham and Obama also discussed repealing the entire sequester and replacing it with a tax on repatriated corporate profits.  (I find this idea interesting).

I will give the Senate Republicans credit for showing some respect to the White House.  Their asks really don't qualify as ransom demands, but their gives are not quite generous enough.  I would want a 1 year extension of the debt ceiling (settle at 6-8 months). I also think keeping the sequester for another 6 months is a problem.  If Obama can get rid of it now, great. Do it.  It will provide a boost to the economy just ahead of the holiday season. As for the medical device tax, that tax would probably be eliminated in any budget negotiation, so a delay now doesn't mean that much. The issue is going to be how to replace the lost revenue. The income verification thing is a joke.  The definition of full time worker is actually a constructive suggestion that Obama was probably considering anyway.

The Senate GOP has given Boehner a limited window to figure something out in the House but they won't wait long.  Their goal is to get a deal done this weekend before the markets open (yes, WIC recipients are ignored but everyone jumps where the markets (i.e., banks) are concerned).  The Senate GOP will cut their own deal with Obama and force the House to deal with it.  

I don't see any deal getting through the House without Democratic votes.  The Ryan wing wants more extortion and the tea party wing won't vote for anything.  They are still in shock and awe at what happened to their effort to repeal Obamacare.  They might not even show up to vote.  That's how despondent they are.

Boehner himself has seen his standing improve relatively speaking. This is due in part to the tea party crashing and burning with Ted Cruz driving the bus and Obama's kneecapping of Paul Ryan's extortion strategy.  Boehner is now free to talk to Obama and is being encouraged by the 20-30 GOPers he represents to push ahead without the tea party.  However, Paul Ryan looms large and I don't think he will provide the votes for anything close to a majority of the House GOP caucus.

Harry Reid is cautioning Obama against giving too much to the Republicans and Obama appears to be heeding his warning.  

With the tea party reps now having been abandoned by the Koch brothers, Paul Ryan, John Boehner and manipulated and misled by Ted Cruz, one wonders if some might wake up from Obama derangement syndrome (read: racism) and realize that they might actually have some common ground with Democrats, especially on entitlement protection and public works spending issues.  

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  •  Tip Jar (23+ / 0-)

    Global Shakedown - Alternative rock with something to say. Check out their latest release, "A Time to Recognize": Available on iTunes, Amazon, Google Play, Spotify and other major online music sites. Visit

    by khyber900 on Fri Oct 11, 2013 at 11:01:49 PM PDT

  •  Clean is the starting point and the ending point. (5+ / 0-)
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    Jeff Y, Pluto, davidkc, annominous, 3goldens

    This should never happen again.

    The ONLY thing Obama should ask for is once the clean CR and Debt ceiling pass, then the budget conference gets appointed with no conditions and no objections and they reconcile the two budgets.

    Let the conference committee deal with it.

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Fri Oct 11, 2013 at 11:19:59 PM PDT

    •  I can't believe this (4+ / 0-)
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      kurt, reflectionsv37, Pluto, 3goldens

      Democrats continue to give up leverage by opening up gov't services that Republicans want opened back up.

      You don't give up leverage like this when you're dealing with terrorists. Pretty soon Republicans won't have any reason whatsoever to open up the gov't again.

      Deals struck to reopen Grand Canyon and other iconic U.S. sites:

      "I'd rather be hated for who I am, than loved for who I am not." - Kurt Cobain

      by Jeff Y on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 12:03:51 AM PDT

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    •  I agree with you generally (5+ / 0-)

      But if the GOP is insisting on getting a nominal concession, I think asking for a concession in return like ending the sequester would be a coup.  If the Democratic Party has the opportunity to extract a concession from DC elites to help average folks, I'm all for it.  I kinda like the idea of Obama turning the tables on the GOP and using the debt ceiling/shutdown to extract his own form of ransom in exchange for allowing the GOP to get out of the mess they made for themselves.  That might be even more of a deterrent to those who would try this again.  The GOP assumption has always been that the WH would give in because the President is the head of state and must consider the welfare of the people before his own political needs, whereas House members only need to consider the impact in their own districts.  Well, what if the President plays the same game?  In fact, the US Constitution gives the President de facto power in all budget negotiations.  The President does not have to introduce, negotiate or even approve a budget.  But the Congress cannot get anything done unless it has a veto proof majority.

      Obama is offering a principled stand but is not above playing political hardball too.  That is what will earn respect in DC.  

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      by khyber900 on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 12:19:41 AM PDT

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    •  Agree 100% (1+ / 0-)
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      But that doesn't appear to be what is going to happen. Obama is showing signs of caving, which means this WILL happen again in a few months. The Republicans have learned that holding the country hostage is an effective tactic to get what they want from the current Democratic leaders.

  •  Respect Senate Republicans, ha, ha. They saw (2+ / 0-)
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    that poll number the one that says the GOP is now at a historic low of 28% and falling.  No respect for the GOP from me, they have been mean, nasty, obstructionist, ever since Obama was elected and have clamored for his failure just like the House asses.  It is a mistake to give them anything from their gun to the head strategy because they will be back for more ASAP.  They do not like good only power is the thing they understand and the Democrats have the upper hand now to crush them and should use it on them.  They deserve no less for their over all intransigence and birther bilge at the least.

    •  I guess what I'm saying is that they seem less (2+ / 0-)
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      dim witted than Paul Ryan and Ted Yoho.  They at least understand the President has the upper hand; that is argument is the winning argument and that Republicans must do business with him because the people have willed it.  The House, even today, does not share that sentiment.  It's the difference between sane vs. insane, and the difference between a conservative and a right wing neo-fascist.  

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      by khyber900 on Sat Oct 12, 2013 at 12:21:30 AM PDT

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      •  You are a generous, probably kind person to be as (1+ / 0-)
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        nice to the GOP as you are.  Where you see nuance I see a crass drowning of our aspirations as a people of substance and creativity.  This is why I would like them gone from the body politic and let those who want to govern, lead, create and extend democracy like never before step up  and do so.  This is not who the GOP is or can be now. They are the 1% writ large on our politics and it is for the worse as they planned and schemed and created the right set of conditions to shut down not only the US economy but to start a world wide economic meltdown so they can save the day with their trillions in investment capitol they refused to spend on our economy because they are in a hate for the black guy in the White House.  Still fighting the Civil War, they splatter the Republic with mudd and call it their rights to deploy money to influence politics as they see fit and screw the American people. Their days of obstruction and obfucation are at an end and I for one say keep our foot on the neck of this GOP, Tea Bagger, Koch addict snake until it gives up the ghost.  They are relegated to the ash heap of history as a warning to  the narrow minded, depthless, anti-science, hateful against immigrants, inventors of the forced vaginal probe for women (talk about facisim, that is the very definition of facism, state sponsored forced body control for the good of the GOP) climate warming deniers, and government hostage taking black mailers to shut down the services we Americans have created for ourselves.  No let them croak on their own hateful bile.  They have had their day.

  •  The only hope (1+ / 0-)
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    that Republicans have is to fund the government at pre-sequester levels and lift the debt ceiling beyond the next election, pass with a bi-partisan vote.

    Then Obama lets them take credit for ending this nightmare.  Then their numbers may return.  It's their only choice for the brand.  

    Then the transportation bill.  Only chance.

  •  Thank you for posting your observations and (12+ / 0-)

    I hope you'll keep doing this. I find your summaries the clearest and most concise of all the stuff out there. Much appreciated!

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    by jan4insight on Fri Oct 11, 2013 at 11:39:17 PM PDT

  •  Obama appears willing to reward Republicans (0+ / 0-)

    for holding the country hostage, and I find that to be really, really appalling. According to the New York Times, he's willing to compromise on the medical device tax and to commit to budget negotiations that will involve how to further gut social programs, all in exchange for short-term extension of the debt limit and short-term financing of the government. Given Obama's apparent willingness to once again cave to the Republicans, we're going to be right back here in a few months unless Obama holds firm.

    •  Can we wait until something actually happens... (0+ / 0-)

      before we all freak out about "caving"?

      Please understand I'm not singling you out. I keep reading diaries and comments about "step on their necks" and not giving an inch and I'm willing to bet my house that if you look at a Conservative web site you'd see the exact same sentiments just directed at our side.

      Aren't we supposed to be the intelligent party? The analogy of not negotiating with terrorists neglects one salient fact: when this is over, we can't just never see any of these politicians again or bomb their country or imprison them. The federal government is going to have to function and political parties are going to have to get things done.

      I guarantee you that Obama is going to "concede" something because that's how politics works. The Republicans are desperate to find something, anything to hang on to that might get their truck back on the road and no matter what happens, they're going to come out of this declaring that they won.

      But we don't have to believe the spin, either.

    •  With the damage already (0+ / 0-)

      Caused to the Republican brand, do you really believe the clowns in the House will be allowed to pull this stunt again when it's even closer to the 2014 elections?

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