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The fallout from the Republican shutdown continues, this time according to a new CNN/ORC International poll:
According to the survey, 54% say it's a bad thing that the GOP controls the House, up 11 points from last December, soon after the 2012 elections when the Republicans kept control of the chamber. Only 38% say it's a good thing the GOP controls the House, a 13-point dive from the end of last year.

This is the first time since the Republicans won back control of the House in the 2010 elections that a majority say their control of the chamber is bad for the country.

There's no word on what America thinks about Ted Cruz being in control of the chamber.

And with Republicans in the House having pledged their fealty to Speaker of the House John Boehner in the wake of their shutdown:

And the CNN/ORC International survey also indicates that more than six in 10 Americans say that Speaker of the House John Boehner should be replaced.
... proving once again that Republicans are out of touch with most Americans.  

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  •  That explains why Ted Cruz is now claiming he had (25+ / 0-)

    nothing to do with the shutdown...oh, and DEATH THREATS!

    Hey asshole, if you're gettind death threats, they're probably from your base.

    Once in a while you get shown the light, in the strangest of places if you look at it right.

    by darthstar on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 06:38:41 AM PDT

  •  gerrymandering (15+ / 0-)

    This would be a great time to advertise the fact that most Americans voted for Dems to represent them in the House--time for a groundswell against gerrymandering.  Right now it is an issue few people understand and never gets major reportage.  

    Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. John Kenneth Galbraith .

    by melvynny on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 06:40:52 AM PDT

    •  And a great time for Democrats to NOT be talking (20+ / 0-)

      about "fixing" things Medicare, Medicaid or SSI as part of budget negotiations.  Which is exactly what Dick Durbin is doing already, even before negotiations even start.  Idiot!  NOT touching SSI is yet another example where Dems have puplic opinion overwhelmingly on our side, and yet we have leadership saying stupid shit like this:

      "Social Security is gonna run out of money in 20 years," Durbin said. "The Baby Boom generation is gonna blow away our future. We don't wanna see that happen."

      Not even close to being in the vicinity of the neighborhood of being accurate.  And this is OUR team saying this!

      http://www.huffingtonpost.com/...

      •  fix (6+ / 0-)

        The fix is simple--and is needed--eliminate the income cap on FICA.

        Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. John Kenneth Galbraith .

        by melvynny on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 07:16:08 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, if we "give up" entitlement cuts, the GOP (0+ / 0-)

        translation of that is that it was our idea in the first place, and really, given the president's repeated public offering of the sacrifice, I can't say with a straight face that they aren't right.  This is the one thing that can make or break the Democratic party in the 2014 elections.  

        If the Democrats are deemed responsible for damaging entitlements, it will be the death blow that Republicans have been waiting to deliver, and all they have to do is hand us the sledge hammer.

        Blue, blue, my world is blue... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6cPXvTqasg

        by ZedMont on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 07:38:57 AM PDT

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      •  Gerrymandering very popular explanation here, (1+ / 0-)
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        but comports poorly with reality.  There most definitely are Republicans who might not be in their seats were it not for gerrymandering and ditto for Democrats.  I would even believe that, thanks to the falloutof 2010, that gerrymander-dependent Republicans outnumber gerrymandered Democrats, but that is insufficient to explain the makeup of the House.  More important is that we are not one giant national election, but a collection of states and cities.  New York's huge Democratic majorities, for example, do not spill into New Jersey.

        Democrats get huge wins in urban areas, but those "extra" voters can't be siphoned off to win races in Indiana, etc.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 07:52:50 AM PDT

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    •  All you have to do to get the idea of (1+ / 0-)
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      "gerrymandering" across is to display a map of Texas congressional districts.  People may not understand the finer points of redistricting, but they can recognize districts shaped like rattlesnakes.

      Blue, blue, my world is blue... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6cPXvTqasg

      by ZedMont on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 07:35:08 AM PDT

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      •  gross numbers (0+ / 0-)

        Dems got over 1 million more congressional votes--and more than 10% less seats.

        Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. John Kenneth Galbraith .

        by melvynny on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 07:40:01 AM PDT

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        •  Means nothing. We do not run single national (1+ / 0-)
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          election and apportion votes.

          You can't take "extra" votes from an 80% win in a Chicago districts and use them to turn a race in Iowa

          LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

          by dinotrac on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 07:54:24 AM PDT

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          •  actually (0+ / 0-)

            Gerrymandering apportions/concentrates those "extra" votes.

            Under capitalism, man exploits man. Under communism, it's just the opposite. John Kenneth Galbraith .

            by melvynny on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:05:17 AM PDT

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            •  Geography concentrates those votes in Chicago (0+ / 0-)

              And you may have missed an important detail: Illinois remains a state run by Democrats, even after 2010.

              And -- A complete absence of gerrymandering could not deliver extra Democratic votes from Illinois to Iowa.  Districts stop at state lines.

              There will always be places that will vote massively for one party over the other. How many Republican votes are there in Manhattan, San Francisco, Chicago, and Seattle?

              No gerrymandering needed to make those places Democratic strongholds.

              That doesn't mean gerrymandering doesn't exist and doesn't change the map.  It's just a smaller impact than people like to believe.

              LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

              by dinotrac on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:16:14 AM PDT

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  •  Those polls are skewed! (11+ / 0-)

    If they had polled only Real Americans they would see the Republicans are hugely popular.

    "That capability at any time could be turned around on the American people and no American would have any privacy left, such is the capability to monitor everything ... There would be no place to hide." - Senator Frank Church

    by jrooth on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 06:41:09 AM PDT

  •  Sorry, this doesn't cheer me up. (9+ / 0-)

    Over one third of Americans are glad the House is in the hands of people who don't believe in Constitutional government.  Over one third of Americans believe in dumping majority rule and allowing a minority (THEIR minority) to blackmail the majority into enacting the laws they cannot get through a vote of the people's representative.

    From my cheap seat, it doesn't look like the American Experiment is going very well.

    "If there are no dogs in heaven, then when I die I want to go where they went." - Will Rogers

    by Kentucky DeanDemocrat on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 06:41:54 AM PDT

    •  Those people are unreachable (6+ / 0-)
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      It's going to be a matter of governing in spite of them, not according to them.

      •  Hey! I've got an idea! Let's stop having (0+ / 0-)

        elections. That way, we don't have to care what all the stupid people think.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 07:55:28 AM PDT

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        •  Defending stupidity is not (0+ / 0-)

          the way to improve/progress. Or would you rather have had elections decide the fate of all popular, if hideous, policies? We tried that in 1860, at the very least. That didn't work too well, either. Sometimes running roughshod over luddites/reactionaries/Tea Partiers is the only way to solve problems--especially ones they caused in the first place.

          "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

          by bryduck on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:44:00 AM PDT

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          •  So -- which is more stupid? (0+ / 0-)

            1. Ordinary everyday stupidity by stupid people, or
            2. Declared stupidity by those who don't like the way other people think and don't want to engage them?

            In this case, you are talking about a third of the population.
            In electoral politics, that is a pretty significant hunk.
            In reality, they probably aren't as stupid as you wish to believe.

            Those who can, do.
            Those who can't, call the others stupid.

            LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

            by dinotrac on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 08:59:57 AM PDT

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            •  If you think pols (and the rest of us) (0+ / 0-)

              haven't been trying to "engage" Republicans and their enablers for decades, you haven't been paying too much attention. And how has that worked out? They keep getting worse. Accommodation hasn't worked, compromise hasn't worked, and letting them fail hasn't worked. It's now time for moving forward without them, by any legal means possible.

              "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

              by bryduck on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 09:06:42 AM PDT

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              •  Hmm. 2006 and 2008 were very good (0+ / 0-)

                years for Democrats.  Remember Speaker Pelosi?

                It's absolutely true that hard-core Republicans will not vote for Democrats any more than hard-core Democrats will not vote for Republicans.

                They are not worth considering except as potential coalition partners on some item of common interest.

                The most recent Gallup polls show only 20% of Americans identifying themselves as Republicans, compared to 30% who identify as Democrats. It's possible that the entire 20% is hard-core, but that seems unlikely.  The number doubles if you include "leaners", but "leaning" Republicans implies a less than hard-core set.

                LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                by dinotrac on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 09:23:59 AM PDT

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                •  I'd be very inclined to believe (0+ / 0-)

                  that 20% is hardcore, actually. Why wouldn't you also, given the extreme nature of their policies as stated by their highest profile members?

                  "Lone catch of the moon, the roots of the sigh of an idea there will be the outcome may be why?"--from a spam diary entitled "The Vast World."

                  by bryduck on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 09:39:54 AM PDT

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                  •  This may be a place where definitions aren't (0+ / 0-)

                    quite the same.

                    And my defnition may not be the right one.

                    I keep skating between hard-core as in out-there nutty and hard-core would never vote for a Democrat.

                    As a practical matter, "would never vote for a Democrat" is probably the correct definition and you are probably close to right.

                    I think most reasonable people who would have called themselves Republicans have migrated to independent.

                    LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

                    by dinotrac on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 12:06:39 PM PDT

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    •  Throughout American history (8+ / 0-)

      I think you'll find that there has always been one fourth to one third of America's citizens that are out of step with the rest of the country. Even during the Revolution, about 25% of the country remained Loyalists and supported the crown. At one point during the Revolution we waged a civil war that pitted Americans seeking independence against those who wanted to remain loyal to George III.

      That extremist 25-33% dragged us into Civil War and are trying to do just that again. The irony is, that most of those who fought to preserve slavery in the south were not slave owners and in fact were only a step above slaves in the antebellum plantation caste system. Now, that same third are again being used as tools, "useful idiots" fighting to preserve a modern plantation caste system.

      When I was in the military we used to say there is "always that 10 per cent who never get the word." In American politics, there is always at least 25% who will never wake up to the facts and will always be "true believers".

    •  Now is the time (2+ / 0-)
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      to drive a big ol' stake, again & again, through the T.E.A.=Terrorist Economic Agenda Party and rid our country of this scourge.

      Remember, roughly 25 % is the same number of wackos who believe the Moon Landing was staged on a Hollywood soundset, that Elvis is still alive and working at a Burger King in Grand Rapids, that Jesus rode a dinosaur thru Jerusalem, etc.

      They are unreachable as catnap1972 says. Let 'em go.

      'Bin Laden is dead and GM is alive' - VP Joe Biden

      by RobertInWisconsin on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 07:32:19 AM PDT

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    •  Just remember, though Kentucky DeanDem, (0+ / 0-)

      elections are rarely won by that margin.  And over a third of Americans are bat shit crazy, so the 38% is about as low as you can hope for.

      There are two things, though, that render this poll moot:

      1)  The fickle nature and short memory of the electorate
      2)  Unconscionable gerrymandering

      The Tea Party is controlling elections by ignoring the majority and concentrating their efforts on local and state elections.  That's where the power to rig elections lies.

      Blue, blue, my world is blue... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6cPXvTqasg

      by ZedMont on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 07:32:48 AM PDT

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  •  6 in 10 Americans includes Tea Party (4+ / 0-)
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    as well as Democrats I'm sure.  It may indicate he is out of touch with most Americans, but that includes those who think he should be replaced with someone more extreme as well as we Dems who'd like the gavel back.

    "Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities" Voltaire.

    by JWK on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 06:42:06 AM PDT

  •  Every day someone here makes me learn a new word.. (8+ / 0-)

    Fealty:  

    fe·al·ty/ˈfiəlti/ [fee-uhl-tee] noun, plural fe·al·ties.  
      1. History/Historical .
        a. fidelity to a lord.
        b. the obligation or the engagement to be faithful to a lord, usually sworn to by a vassal.
      2. fidelity; faithfulness.
    Thanks for that.

    Out of context, people are crazy. Tralala...

    by darlalalala on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 06:46:15 AM PDT

  •  That last boxquote is why Dems should pour a (8+ / 0-)

    few million into challenging Boehner in OH-08.  This will be the best chance ever to unseat him.  Otherwise he's there til he dies.

    •  True of a lot of "safe" GOP seats (8+ / 0-)

      There's only one way to flip those seats, though: recruit credible Dem contenders who have local name recognition in safe GOP districts.  

      Most Dems who might be viewed as a "credible contender" to an incumbent GOP congresscritter won't run against them. Why?  Local, state, and national Dem party officials (those who fund the campaigns) feel like it's a waste of money and resources to mount a challenge.  So, the GOP congresscritter gets marginal Dem opposition (if any) when election time comes.

      I do agree that many heretofore safe GOP districts could be in play in 2014.  There is much anger against GOP reps even in those safe districts.  However, flipping those seats only becomes reality if the DCCC and local party officials choose to mount (read: fund) campaigns against GOP incumbents in those safe districts.  

      DCCC should make it clear today, right now, that there will be no cherry picking in 2014.  If local Dems can recruit a credible contender (and the locals get to decide the definition of "credible") the DCCC vigorously backs the campaign and provides support at a level appropriate to the district. Period. No cherry picking.

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      by Richard Cranium on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 06:55:05 AM PDT

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  •  I would bet (1+ / 0-)
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    ZedMont

    That if you asked most Americans to pick Boehner out of a group of photos, 6 in 10 couldn't do it.
    Show me similar polling of likely voters, then tell me if we can take the House back in 2014.

    Just another day in Oceania.

    by drshatterhand on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 06:46:58 AM PDT

  •  How would the GOPHouse go about reversing this? (2+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, ZedMont

    Do they cut the teabagger caucus loose and pass something popular?  Or do they keep obstructing everything and think that will win them support?  I think the WH/Dem renewed push for immigration reform now is done either to throw them another anvil or hope that they feel they need to pass something big with House Dems that would win them support back.  

    Or does the House GOP bank on America's short attention spans and even shorter memory and this this will fade and trend back to the pre-shutdown numbers with voters heading back to their "home team"?

    Is the Senate bill passed is good for another year until after 2014 mid terms or does it expire every year and if not passed by January the Senate bill is voided?

    Glenn Greenwald promotes far-right fringe extremist group The Oath Keepers - https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/statuses/377787818619064320

    by Jacoby Jonze on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 06:47:48 AM PDT

    •  Thihs is the play right now: (3+ / 0-)
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      Or does the House GOP bank on America's short attention spans and even shorter memory and this this will fade and trend back to the pre-shutdown numbers with voters heading back to their "home team"?
      This is probably the singular reason that I could get behind the short term solution to the government shutdown and default.  Punt the issue into early 2014, let the shrill media voices keep the issue in front of voters, and make the GOP play defense all the way through the midterm elections next November.

      That's how Dems re-took the House in 2006: perhaps not so much on their own merits, but more by self-inflicted wounds on the part of the GOP.

      Hey, whatever gets the job done.

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      by Richard Cranium on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 07:01:43 AM PDT

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  •  Based upon what I hear from my Republican friends (2+ / 0-)
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    more than six in 10 Republicans think that Speaker of the House John Boehner should be replaced.

    And the CNN/ORC International survey also indicates that more than six in 10 Americans say that Speaker of the House John Boehner should be replaced.

    A man who just realized that I am as dispensable as the rest of you. Party time.

    by SpamNunn on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 06:52:12 AM PDT

  •  Not to worry GOP.....Limbaugh Hannity Levin got (3+ / 0-)
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    drmah, a2nite, ZedMont

    yer back.

  •  I hope Democrats take advantage of this. (8+ / 0-)

    I intend to keep talking to my friends and neighbors.  My formerly waffley friend sat me down on Saturday and asked me many pointed questions, ended by saying she'll never vote for another Republican again.  She's been pretty convinced both sides are useless, the unity of the Dems in Congress with Obama was a turning point for her.  Obama's speech with "you get the privilege of serving the American people" knocked her socks off.  Plus her D-I-L in Kentucky will have health insurance for the family for the first time ever.  Very important the way personal stories change things.  

    I've been reposting revelations that Sean Hannity's "3 families hurt by Obamacare" was a lie, and the most recent one, which included the real cost of care for those people seems to have gotten traction with the clueless.  Few families couldn't find a good use for an extra $6500 a year.  It resonates.

    I'm not looking for a love that will lift me up and carry me away. A love that will stroll alongside and make a few amusing comments will suffice.

    by I love OCD on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 06:57:53 AM PDT

    •  These are Great real life stories, OCD. (2+ / 0-)
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      Affordable health care seems to be the long awaited catalyst that will finally wake up those who have been foolishly believing the lies from the GOP and voting against their own best interest these many years.

      Thanks for sharing these ;-)  Brightened my day!

      As we express our gratitude, we must never forget that the highest appreciation is not to utter words, but to live by them. John F. Kennedy

      by JaxDem on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 07:02:58 AM PDT

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    •  I think the president's showing a stiff backbone (2+ / 0-)
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      has resulted in increased respect for him in Congress -- even that part that despises him.  They still hate the rattlesnake, but they now know that getting right up in his face and daring him to bite is not as predictable as they once thought.

      Blue, blue, my world is blue... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h6cPXvTqasg

      by ZedMont on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 07:50:00 AM PDT

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  •  Rep Tim Griffin (R-AR2) NOT running again ... (4+ / 0-)
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    This morning, Arkansas Times reported:

    U.S. Rep. Tim Griffin, a Little Rock Republican,
    will not be seeking re-election in 2014.
    http://bit.ly/...

     

    *Austerity is the opposite of Prosperity*

    by josmndsn on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 07:08:50 AM PDT

  •  The fact that........... (1+ / 0-)
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    we are not hearing calls from the most ardent of House Teahadists to replace Boner; tells me that they all knew the Shutdown/default fiasco amounted to pissing into the wind. Apparently even they don't believe their bullsh*t.

    I wonder going forward if the Haslert "suggestion" (can't be a "rule;" Boner breaks it when his feet are held to the fire) will continue to be used the tool to insure that the Dems vote never counts. Did Pelosi get any promises/concessions from Boner in trade for delivering her caucus for the vote to end the crisis?

    The mass of men lead lives of quiet desperation--HDT

    by cazcee on Mon Oct 21, 2013 at 07:17:55 AM PDT

  •  If only the elections... (0+ / 0-)

    Were this year...

    Hopefully the big money people and Chamber of Commerce have a longer memory than the average undecided voter.

  •  While we're preening and strutting (1+ / 0-)
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    Sherri in TX

    the GOP n is going to work 48/7 to take advantage of the miserably stupidly inept digital incompetence of the digital ACA rollout--a rollout by the very administration who a year ago whipped the crap out of the GOP with the smartest campaign in online history. What is anybody doing about it? Besides gloating over how we sure kicked their asses last week, I mean?

    This is serious shit, folks. They could hurt us. Hurt us really bad.

  •  This is the first really encouraging election poll (0+ / 0-)

    I've seen for the House next year. We actually have one of the major components for a wave election (a clear majority of the country wants the Republicans out of the House).

    Now we have to get the other components, which are a clear majority wanting Democrats in and a clear majority wanting to vote their own representative out

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