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Last night, Stephen Colbert laid into Fox News as only Stephen can do for trying to justify why women should pay more for health care in their attempts to attack Obamacare.

Nation, the big news continue to be the slow-motion train wreck that is the roll-out of the President's signature legislation, the Affordable Care Act, or as most people call it, Barackacare.  Everyone's getting screwed by the website, but the true victim of this health care disaster are America's most vulnerable — the men.

When it comes to medical care, men always get the short end of the long end of the scope.  You see, folks, up until now, health insurance in America has always struck a delicate balance.  Women paid higher premiums than men, and in return, men paid less.  (audience laughter)  The system worked.  But now, folks, all that's changing.

STEVE DOOCY (8/27/2013): Obamacare will have men and women paying the same amount for health care, but since women live longer and have babies, shouldn't they pay more?

DR. JANE HUGHES (9/24/2013): Under the new law, they're including essential health benefits.  And those essential health benefits include maternity, pediatric dental and vision, contraceptive services, and free birth control pills — none of which a young man needs or wants.

(audience laughter)

Did you catch that?  Under Obamacare, men will pay the same amount as women, and yet we still don't get to pass a cantaloupe with toenails through our genitals.  (audience laughter)

Fox Business host and Madame Tussauds' wax figure of himself John Stossel reminds us why the ladies should pay more.

JOHN STOSSEL (10/31/2013): You ought to be able to charge people who use the services more, more! ... Women go to the doctor much more often than men.  Maybe they're smarter, or maybe they're hypochondriacs.  They live longer, who knows?
(angry audience reaction)

Yeah, ladies, ladies, come on.  No, ladies, ladies love going to the doctor.  Who knows why?  Maybe they're pretending they're extras on Grey's Anatomy, I don't know.  They're suckers for that stuff.

And Fox News chief urologist Dr. David Samadi gives us a real world example of the ladies' doctor addiction.

8/27/2013:

DR. DAVID SAMADI: That's not a really fair system.  She sees her doctor all the time.  When was the last time you went to see your doctor?

BRIAN KILMEADE: Two years ago.

DR. DAVID SAMADI: Exactly.  And you?  Last week.

GRETCHEN CARLSON: I've had Lyme disease for the last 10 days, so....

DR. DAVID SAMADI: That's what happens.  So you're basically paying for her.

Yeah, that's what happens.  Women get bitten by an insect, they get Lyme disease.  A man gets bitten by an insect, he becomes a superhero.

It's not fair.  And folks, it's no wonder the brown-haired guy who's not Steve Doocy won't go to the doctor, he hates wearing that cone.

And folks, he's not alone.  The Fox doc explained the obvious reason why all men always go to the doctor less.

DR. DAVID SAMADI (8/27/2013): We're using the health care system much less.  You know, also, our bodies are completely different. ... We only have the prostate.  Women have the breasts, they have the ovaries, they have the uterus.  They get checked in every part.
Yeah, men only have the prostate.  Meanwhile, women are like the mines of Moria down there.  You got the tube, you got the doodads, you got the Chicago Bull, you know.

(wild audience laughter)

You know, you gotta squint.  You gotta kind of squint to make out what's really going on down there.  It's like one of those Magic Eye posters.  They say there's a little man in a boat, but I've never found it.  (audience laughter)

I tell you what, fellas, I tell you what.  As long as we're footing the bill for all this lady maintenance, I say we demand pap smears!  (audience laughter)  OK?  Hey, hey!  It's guy-necologist, not gal-necologist.  (audience laughter)  I say we make them find a place to stick that speculum.  They're the doctors.

Video below the fold.

Stephen then had a great Wørd segment about Hobby Lobby's lawsuit against Obamacare over birth control coverage.
He then noted how one of his writers has created a Twitter account to replace actual movie reviews with Fox News shows.
Meanwhile, Jon looked at all the news surrounding Toronto mayor Rob Ford, and had John Oliver report from the Bill de Blasio campaign.
Al Madrigal then went down to Virginia to look at how unpopular both candidates for Governor are.
Stephen talked with journalist David Folkenflik about Rupert Murdoch's media empire, and Jon talked with journalist Bob Woodruff about his veterans' charity.

Originally posted to BruinKid on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 05:00 AM PST.

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  •  One of Colbert's best- (4+ / 0-)
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    tardis10, jayden, Yoshimi, IdaMena2

    thanks BruinKid!

  •  funny but it (1+ / 0-)
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    LookingUp

    didn't actually mock the logic behind the position. Teenagers pay more for auto insurance because they have more claims. Smokers pay more for life insurance because they die at younger ages.

    People who consume more of a service normally pay more for access to the service.

    •  And look how much... (9+ / 0-)

      we're spending on pediatrics! These children are getting a free ride on my dime!

      The underlying logic of the system is that health care is still considered a commodity in this country, rather than a human right. This logic is ugly and its mother dresses it funny.

      Consider the logic mocked.

      One good thing about music, when it hits you feel no pain -Bob Marley

      by Darwinian Detritus on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 06:42:08 AM PST

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    •  Who goes to the emergency room more? (4+ / 0-)
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      My guess is that it's us men.

      Women get health care, and men get emergency care.

      Which really costs more?

      You're correct in that this wasn't addressed.  If it was, we'd have another fight over why men don't get charged more than women.

      "Trust only those who doubt" Lu Xun

      by LookingUp on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 06:43:51 AM PST

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      •  instead of guessing (0+ / 0-)

        maybe getting some data would be helpful. I imagine that the insurance companies have the information as to whether one gender is more expensive to cover.

        •  There are whole ad campaigns out there (5+ / 0-)

          accusing men of being too stuborn to go to the doctor. Those idiots (I'm a man so I can call these idiots "idiots") are dragging the whole healtcare system down.

          Why Men Don't Go to the Doctor

          Avoiding the doctor means that many men miss out on catching problems that could be prevented with early intervention. So experts say don't wait until it's too late.
          Those problems that are caught too late are VERY EXPENSIVE to treat.
        •  Since the meme is "women go to the doc more" (4+ / 0-)

          Then I would say the insurance companies have already said who goes to the doctor more often.

          However, it doesn't take a rocket scientist (and I'm not) to realize that a simple test is a wee bit cheaper than cervical cancer.

          For insurance companies, the ideal would be that no one goes to the doctor and they get to charge whatever they damn well feel like.

          But what is ideal for the insurance company is not what is ideal for the patient or, for that matter, health care in general.

          We have to get over the whole notion that insurance companies have our best interest in mind.

          They don't.

          Republicans who fear the US turning into Greece want to implement austerity measures... like Greece.

          by feloneouscat on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 08:32:11 AM PST

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        •  I don't trust insurance companies (6+ / 0-)

          However i did some quick searching, and it turns out that women do spend more than men on total health costs.

          Until age 18 there is little difference.

          From age 18 to 64 women spend significantly more per capita, and this is dominated by issues related to reproduction.

          After age 64, there is again little difference in costs per capita.

          About a year ago i saw a study that indicated that women getting free birth control services, as could happen under the ACA, would greatly reduce health costs.

          What it comes down to is that to the extent that health costs for women are higher, it is because they contribute disproportionately to continuing the species.  They shouldn't get penalized for this.

          "Trust only those who doubt" Lu Xun

          by LookingUp on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 08:44:30 AM PST

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      •  That's an excellent point because (4+ / 0-)

        when I get sick, I go to the doctor. Usually pretty quickly, too. Being sick sucks. My husband, otoh, got sick in January and did the manly thing. Went to work, refused otc meds, and ended up in the ER in March with what turned out to be pneumonia. And sepsis. Our insurance co (his work plan) doesn't cover our local hospital, so there was an ambulance transfer and ultimately over $20,000 in costs. For something he could have cured in January with a $20 antibiotic.

        And his brother? Is even worse.

        So, yeah, women may see doctors more often, but who really costs more? The statistics on that would be fascinating.

    •  And every child who has a mother who has used (6+ / 0-)

      Maternity benefits also has a father.....to say that maternity benefits only apply to women and don't have a good impact on child and men ~ Sheesh! On the level of selfishness.....

      Context: doing genealogy research last night....upper middle class family. Wife and child both died in the 1880s from medical issues that are usually fixable but expensive now. Guessing my couple greats uncle would have loved for his wife to not only have modern medical care but also maternity coverage.....

      and the fact that the cost is now distributed to fathers as well as mothers seems fair to me ;-)

      The worst sin - perhaps the only sin - passion can commit, is to be joyless. (Gaudy Night, Dorothy L. Sayers)

      by mayim on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 06:51:52 AM PST

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      •  healthcare is a service for a person (0+ / 0-)

        If i have a heart attack, the healthcare services are performed on me. They may also benefit my wife/children should i survive in a secondary sense as i will still be around to take out the trash and kill bugs.

        But the healthcare benefit goes directly and exclusively to me.

        •  Um.... no. (7+ / 0-)

          There is also a societal cost to illness (see CDC). My spouse is a public health professional for the state and gets seriously annoyed at people who go to work sick.

          What is problematic is people such as yourself believe it is all about you. However, when you get sick, trust me, your employer loses money.

          Now, multiply this against all employers and you will see there is a real cost to illness (the CDC has a very nice web page instructing you on it).

          It's not all about you.

          It never was.

          Republicans who fear the US turning into Greece want to implement austerity measures... like Greece.

          by feloneouscat on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 09:04:16 AM PST

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    •  Bullshit logic. (5+ / 0-)

      Not everyone drives. Not everyone smokes. The logic fails because being male or female is not equal to being a driver, smoker, or whatever.

      There are only two sexes. You are either male or female. And like it or not, we're in this together.

      •  not everyone drives (0+ / 0-)

        but among people who do drive, and who therefore buy auto insurance, young drivers are charged more because they (on average) incur more claim costs.

        Not everyone smokes, but those who smoke are more likely to die young and incur a claim cost.

        insurance premiums are tied to the expenses likely to be incurred.

        If there is a gender difference in insurance costs, then it makes economic sense to have a difference in healthcare premiums.

        If there is a smoking difference in insurance costs, then it makes economic sense to have a difference in life insurance premiums.

        If there is an age difference in costs, then it makes  economic sense to have a difference in auto insurance premiums.

        •  NO. (9+ / 0-)

          It does not make economic sense. You simply cannot apply the same rules to everything every time in some wishful one-size-fits-all free market agenda. There are times when society has to look at the greater good and this is one of them. Forcing women into situations where they are financially victimized and punished simply for being female is unacceptable in a modern first-world society.

          And your economic argument fails even more when you consider that if women are required to pay higher premiums just because they have lady parts then more women will be unable to pay those higher premiums and thus will be eligible for federal subsidies. And who pays for those health insurance subsidies? We all do.

          Your logic fails again.

          I would expect to read such thoughtless misogynistic "free market" bullshit on a conservative website but not here.

          •  I have to agree with Jayden (2+ / 0-)
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            The argument boils down to "men go to the doctor less, so incur less of a yearly cost to insurance companies".

            What?

            Women get pap smears and boobs mashed not because they're keen on it, but because cervical cancer and breast cancer are horrible and there is a societal cost to it.

            If you look at it from the insurance company's perspective, the CHEAPEST is to let the people die. THAT is the ultimate resolution of this stupid, stupid argument.

            Insurance companies will not lose money. This is just another attempt to victimize women. Hell, I expect next week the insurance industry will call women takers.

            These pseudo-intellectual arguments that try to compare health care to auto insurance is a) simplistic b) wrong and c) fails on so many levels.

            Rather than say it "makes economic sense" please put forth an economic justification. So far, the ONLY justification is a minor gilding of the insurers pockets.

            But it does NOT make economic sense.

            Republicans who fear the US turning into Greece want to implement austerity measures... like Greece.

            by feloneouscat on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 08:51:03 AM PST

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          •  Why then age discrimination? (0+ / 0-)

            If it is not okay to set insurance rates based on the higher use by women please explain why it is okay to set rates 3 times higher for older persons.  Or in your language forcing the older into situations where they are financially victimized and punished simply for being older.  And don't use the answer that the system wouldn't have been able to enroll younger healthier people if we had one rate for all ages as that would be using a market agenda.

    •  Then the wealthy should be paying more - (0+ / 0-)

      not because they can afford to -but because they are able to afford to partake in  riskier activities. I can't afford to ski - so I'll never break a bone skiing. They fly their own airplanes - that's worth several thousands more in premiums. Those speedy ferraris ? Kidnapping for ransom? I can think of a few dozen more reasons. Yep, those lucky 2%ers should be paying oodles more than the rest of us.

    •  Unsafe driving and smoking are choices. (0+ / 0-)

      And being a teenager is a transitional stage before being an adult.  But being a man or a woman is a biological accident, except for transsexuals (who, ironically, have to spend TENS OF THOUSANDS out of pocket to make that "choice" actually take effect, yet since they do not have the "insides" of their new gender, have about the same maintenance costs afterward).

      And women not only have to use more medical services, they earn less than men on average.  But a woman who needs medical treatment may very well have a man or boy (husband/lover or one or more sons) to whom her health matters a great deal!

    •  Gee, my husband (a MALE) (0+ / 0-)

      sees a doctor more than I do...and I have all 'those female parts'.  And, he obviously forgot about all these guys that are having 'trouble getting it up' so they have to have pills... so that their poor psyche's don't get hurt..because then they will need to see a psychiatrist.  HMMMM Seems about equal to me...

    •  So being a woman is hazardous to one's (0+ / 0-)
      health.
      Maybe men should pay full-freight for boner pills, using that logic.

      BTW, I'm male and don't feel like I need Viagra nor Cialis. I also apparently don't have all the gratuitous sexual encounters that the males around me have!

  •  Holy crap, I never realized the Bulls logo (0+ / 0-)

    looked like that!

    "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." --M. L. King "You can't fix stupid" --Ron White -6.00, -5.18

    by zenbassoon on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 07:15:49 AM PST

  •  It's clear there are people who don't (5+ / 0-)

    understand the concept of insurance.  I teach my students about insurance.  In Ancient China, farmers who had to cross a river to bring their crops to market banded together so that they could share the risk of taking crops to market.  If the boat sinks for the person raising rice but doesn't sink for the person raising corn, the rice and corn people banded together and put rice and corn on the same boats (say 10 boats).  If one boat sinks, you only lose 10% of your crop and have 90% to sell.  You are SHARING THE RISK.  Men must share the risk with women.  Get it?

    11:11 being mindful and keepin' it real

    by Raggedy Ann on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 07:38:35 AM PST

  •  I just checked something. (1+ / 0-)
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    Friend caldera signed up last Thursday.  I wonder what fun we'll have when s/he actually starts posting diaries.

    Strength and dignity are her clothing, she rejoices at the days to come; She opens her mouth with wisdom, and the law of kindness is on her tongue.

    by loggersbrat on Tue Nov 05, 2013 at 08:22:52 AM PST

  •  Insurance Prices (0+ / 0-)

    Men pay more for life insurance, and women have paid more for health insurance.  Insurance cost used to approximate risk of having to pay benefits.  Of all the changes Obamacare has made this one makes the least sense to me.  

  •  Inconsistency in Gender-as-Actuarial-Criterion (0+ / 0-)

    I have observed that there is an anti-male bias in applying gender neutrality as an actuarial criterion.  Whenever considering gender would benefit males (retirement annuities, health insurance premiums), it's ignored;  whenever it benefits females (automobile insurance premiums, life insurance premiums), it's considered.

    I could go either way on whether to consider gender, but I'd like the decision to be applied consistently.

  •  This is more of a question but (0+ / 0-)

    why are pediatrics attached to women's health insurance costs? Pediatric dental and vision and such should be attributed to both parents, making it equally a male and female issue. Or, if you want to be really picky, divide it between the expenses of male and female children.

  •  FOX NEWS CONTINUES TO INSULT WOMEN EVERYWHERE... (0+ / 0-)

    John Stossel is a fucking tool and a turd. Is Fox News the cable station where washed-up reporters and news show hosts go after their contracts aren't renewed by real TV networks? (Geraldo Rivera, John Stossel, Gretchen Carlson, to name a few.) But I digress... Stossel says that women are "hypochondriacs," and then some quack doctor who's an "expert" on women's health issues and medical insurance implies that females love running to their primary care doctors and OB/GYNs all willy-nilly at the drop of a hat. Now, I can't speak for every woman, but I've sure never scheduled an appointment with my OB/GYN and skipped to his office, whistling and strewing daisies at the thought of getting my annual mammogram and pap smear. Fucking morons.

    Also, Fox News' Gretchen Carlson should be ashamed of herself. Not only did she fail to take umbrage when John Stossel said that women are "hypochondriacs," she actually SIDED with the men on this issue. She is a traitor to the female sex.

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