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This is what happens when a solid supporter of the left gets pushed over the edge by circumstances created by the right. Believe me, there really is an edge.

I've long been a supporter of progressive issues. I vote for them, I share messages of truth in e-mails and on my Facebook page, on Twitter, wherever I can. In the past, I have contributed to President Obama's campaign, Planned Parenthood and a few other organizations whose work I believe in.

But I've had just about enough of the begging - for my money.

I know that we're outgunned financially. The greed of the rich wanting to keep their filthy lucre from the teeming masses and all that. I get it, I really do, but enough is really enough already!

I've gotten DAILY emails from the DCCC asking for money. "You've contributed before, we miss you('re money), please make a donation now!"

Bite me already!

I've been unemployed since the recession started. I think a better name would be "The Great Depression 2.0" - let's call it what it is. I've been under-employed for a few years now. I've gone through 98% of my 401-K funds just to live on, and have resorted to selling off the few assets I have just to keep from becoming homeless.

Just this week, I was lucky enough to get my food-stamps reinstated; they were stopped due to a glitch in the system, and I have to say, the people of the DSS in Los Angeles County are absolutely one of the most caring groups of public employees (who absolutely deserve the raise they haven't had in 4 years) that I've ever dealt with. I'm a 57-year old white woman who has worked her entire adult life and doesn't have a clue how to matriculate through social services. The few employees I've had contact with have been true gems.

Ah, yes, the food stamps. Can I make a political donation out of my food stamps to get you vultures off my back? No? Let me tell you about what else I can't do with food stamps.

I can't buy cleaning supplies, personal hygiene supplies, laundry supplies, put gas in my car to get to my under-paid part-time job or any of the interviews I've gone on trying to get a full-time job or even another low-paying part-time job.

I can't afford little luxuries, like getting a haircut or going to the dry cleaner to look presentable and professional for the few job interviews that I've been able to get.

I can't pay my cell phone bill, which I need to keep active to field calls from recruiters and nine temp agencies I'm signed up with to report back to them after interviews. Oh, did you know the paradigm has changed and now even temps have to go on job interviews just to get a temp job? Yeah. Employer's market.

I can't pay my utility bills, to keep the gas on so I can cook, or the electric on, so I can get on the computer to apply for work. Oh, and then there's that Internet connection I need to do that pesky job search, too.

I can't buy the cardiac medications that my doctors have prescribed for me after a heart attack 8 years ago and for which the insurance I can't afford to get up to this point isn't paying.

I can't donate to charity like I used to and wish I still could. Gone are the days when I would travel with groups of friends to watch our favorite celebrity do a weekend event where we bought tickets to support some local charity to the tune of a couple hundred a weekend (not counting our expenses and travel).

I can't buy cat food, to take care of the 2 pets I have that were a Christmas gift and keep me grounded and sane and remind me that I am needed by someone. Their antics keep me from being suicidal. I never was a drinker, so there hasn't been a need to buy alcohol; they are my outlet.

Here's what little I can do: I can offer political support via e-mail and when I've got the time, show up at political rallies and sign petitions. I can make phone calls to Congress and the Senate to express my opinion and support for policies to help people like myself. I've gotten to the point now where I wonder why I bother - the GOP doesn't give a shit about poor people, no matter how many of us call them to tell them we're going to vote them out of office. Oh, that's right, they're working hard at taking away that right from us by stacking the deck at every opportunity. That's the ONLY thing they're working on cause they sure as hell aren't creating jobs!

Here's what I want to do: I want to kick Sen. Harry Reid in the butt to have him stop acting like Charlie Brown waiting for Lucy to stop taking away the football. Fix the damn filibuster already, Sir, and take control of your governing body! I'm sure it's too late for this, but I'd like to see the people of Ohio vote in an ethical person willing to do the right thing for people who aren't rich enough to buy and sell him. I doubt that's ever going to happen, so let's not even go there.

I want to tell everyone who is suffering in similar circumstances as mine to stop voting against their own self-interests and get the GOP cheaters out of office before you lose the right to vote completely.

This is what I'm tired of doing: I'm tired of explaining to fundraisers on the phone that I still do support them, but I've been out of work long enough that giving them even $.50 is a hardship right now, forget about the $50 or $100 they really want. While many of the callers are sympathetic, I had one this week that just pushed me over the edge. Let me give you a free clue callers: when the person you're trying to hit up for money tells you that the rent is late and they can't contribute to your political cause, QUIT WHILE YOU'RE BEHIND! Thank the person for their support and politely hang up.

The idiot who caused that reaction in me has opened my ire to the point where my frustration is boiling over. I don't want to be on food stamps. I have a college degree and have never not been able to work before in my life. I WANT to have a job again. I want that job to pay me a decent, living wage like I used to have, with benefits and the ability to once again pay my bills and my taxes and save for my retirement. As it is, I'm facing poverty and not being able to retire for at least 20 years, providing that I can even get another job. Right now, the reality is that I'm lucky if I get a barely-above-minimum-wage job at all. Before I got my last full-time job, I was temping for almost $17/hr - 13 years ago. Now, I'm gratefully lucky to be getting $15/hr - if I can get a job at all.

Lastly, here's what I won't and don't do: I won't go public with my name. I am one of many living in similar circumstances. Those I know like myself WANT to work; we want "to be self-supporting through our own voluntary contributions" (a phrase I heard somewhere) and we don't want to be treated like charity cases, pitied or looked down on by people who are in better circumstances.

I want to maintain the small amount of dignity I still have and manage to take care of myself. The Occupy movement gave me some measure of hope, but that has all but died out with the movement.

I'm an intelligent, articulate, professional woman who WANTS to work and contribute. I just want a chance to do that again.

Got HOPE? I used to.

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  •  I feel your pain, believe me. (75+ / 0-)

    I just don't answer the phone -- unless a real person speaks into the answering machine, I just know it's a call center trying to pull the cash out of my pocket.

    This much said, however, the DCCC is not repeat not a "progressive group."  Although sure enough, progressive groups do the same thing.

    In fact, it's kind of humiliating how each group that's raising funds uses exactly the same playbook.  Right about now all of those magic "matching grant" opportunities start flooding the mailboxes.  Strange how they're never combined with the annual membership renewals . . .

    But back to the poor hapless folks at the phone banks.  They're being monitored; they have to keep to script, or else they get written up or worse.  Back when I was in college, a friend of mine had the distinctly unpleasant job of working the phones for the university's foundation.  After delivering the spiel she was instructed to ask for $1K -- and most of the folks on her list were recent graduates, groaning under student loan debt.  When they invariably responded that they couldn't afford anything, the phone bankers were required to ask for . . . wait for it . . . $500.

    The nicest thing you can do for those folks is just not talk to them.  Never pick up the phone until after the fifth ring; most call center phone systems are programmed to hang up after the fourth ring.  Unless, of course, you have money to give.

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 03:33:45 PM PST

  •  I hate the overly aggressive dialers for dollars (43+ / 0-)

    What I hate more, however, is that many times they're being PAID to call based on how much they achieve in donations.  Yes, it's work for someone without a job, but when their pay is based on donations, they get far too aggressive, don't listen to the truly poor person they're talking to, and wait only to do more begging.

    My thoughts and prayers that your condition improves and that you find full time work with benefits and a decent salary.  

    There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

    by Puddytat on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 03:44:24 PM PST

    •  They have nothing on AT&T (25+ / 0-)

      Last week, I had three calls from them, including two in one day, wanting to upgrade me to a much more expensive "package" (i am in roughly the same employment situation as the diarist) and when I tell them I have no TV, won't ever pay for TV in my lifetime, and never watched TV when I had it, they start telling me about all the great programs I could be watching even though I told them I DON'T LIKE TO WATCH TV. And when I tell them I'm actually looking to CUT my bill, they tell me how I can get super-fast fiberoptic internet for only $30 more than I'm paying (plus a $150 installation fee, which is my grocery budget for six weeks). And they just went on and on, even though I told the second two callers they were telling me exactly what the first two callers did.

      Thanks to them, I am thisclose to eliminating my landline, especially since Credo debuted iPhones yesterday. (I have been getting pressure to get one from one of the editors I freelance for who said they'd pay for it. Part of the reason i was dragging my feet was that i wanted to stick with Credo)

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

      by anastasia p on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 05:12:28 PM PST

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      •  NnnnNNNnnnggGggg! (2+ / 0-)
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        especially since Credo debuted iPhones yesterday
        Gah! I have been waiting for this for four years! And, because I mangled my old phone beyond recognition two weeks ago, I replaced it with a spanky new 5s last week.

        Talk about your lousy timing.

      •  AT+T's got nothing on Time Warner Cable (4+ / 0-)
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        Not only phone calls and relentless mailers, but every time you call when you have a problem (and wait endlessly after dealing with their robot menu of "options" which exists to confuse you), they try to sell you additional services, cable phone, extra packages, and their internet service.

        They keep on pushing, too.  You can't just say "no", you have to hang up on them because their low paid call staff in India or Viet Nam just keeps on pushing.

        There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

        by Puddytat on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 10:15:31 PM PST

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        •  After several (3+ / 0-)
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          well, 3, survey responses to TWC, letting them know I had to return 6 DVR's in 13 months, because they were used, supposedly refurbished, but essentially unusable, they stopped bothering me.  If their DVR boxes are junk, why would I want any other unreliable tech services from them?

          "The light which puts out our sight is darkness to us." Thoreau

          by NancyWH on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 04:27:28 AM PST

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          •  Ugh - the "refurbished" boxes (2+ / 0-)
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            I've had too many of those and NONE of them were DVR boxes.   The big problem is that they're always sent out with their "private contractors" for service calls.

            I now have a good box that is outstanding, works very well, but it didn't come from their cable servicer.  It came with a service call from their internet tech who needed to troubleshoot my malfunctioning internet and ended up replacing my malfunctioning cable modem.  

            On his way out, he passed by my TV and cable box and asked if everything was working.  As I recounted my daily several "reboots" of the box to get it to work and told him of the series of boxes that have led to more of the same, he said he would "fix that".

            He went to his truck, brought a new cable box inside an actual box (rather than the plastic bag that is the "home" of the refurbished ones), installed it, set it up and it works!  Imagine that, the computer guy actually fixed my cable box problem.

            He solved a problem that multiple service calls didn't - by installing and setting up a brand new box.

            Considering how much we pay, month after month, the service and equipment should be much better.  Just the cable box itself is around 10 bucks a month and, as I have told TWC in the past, I'm just paying for junk.

            There ought to be a law, but there isn't.

            There already is class warfare in America. Unfortunately, the rich are winning.

            by Puddytat on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 11:26:49 AM PST

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      •  Don't you need you land line (1+ / 0-)
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        To get internet connection?  
        I have century link for $32/ mnth but don't use a phone.
        I was told I can't stay with earthlink which I love but would have to change to them.
        Is there another way?  

        Passing a law that the Constitution doesn't allow does not negate the Constitution, it negates the law that was passed. Secret courts can't make up secret laws. SORRY FOR THE TYPOS :)

        by snoopydawg on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 11:18:41 PM PST

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  •  I've unsubscribed to so many orgs asking for $$$.. (31+ / 0-)

    and yet they just keep coming. It was a great rant and I hope your situation changes soon.

    Arrogance is ignorance matured.

    by jennyp on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 04:10:27 PM PST

  •  Absolutely beautiful, righteous rant of a diary. (56+ / 0-)

    You have spoken for a lot of us, I'm sure.

    I hate it when -- after telling a phone banker that I never make pledges on the phone to contribute to anything -- she/he continues reading through their script. I get it that they're "supposed" to do that - and I'm glad (I guess) that they have a job. But dammitall, enough is enough is enough. I'm retired, get SS and a small state retirement, and have enough obligations to deal with.

    I hope things turn around for you - it was a great read, your diary, and I wish you well.

    Being the single intellectual in a village of 1,100 souls ain't much fun, especially when 1,099 of those don't think you're all that smart.--Lucy Marsden

    by Miniaussiefan on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 04:12:11 PM PST

  •  It's easier to get off those phone/e-mail lists (26+ / 0-)

    than you might think.  I'm living proof that this works.  

    Phone calls:  simply say "remove my phone number from your list."  That usually does it.  On the few occasions that I've received another call from the same organization (and this is usually just a screw-up), I've said that same sentence again and reinforced it with this:
    "if I get another call from you, I'll stop all donations to you."

    E-mail:  simply unsubscribe.  There's usually an unsubscribe link at the very bottom of the e-mail, though sometimes you have to look closely for it.  It's really rare to find a solicitation e-mail that doesn't have it because it's required by law (I believe).   For the rare one that doesn't have it (and I got one recently), hit reply and type "Unsubscribe" in the subject line.

    During the presidential election of 2004, I donated a fairly substantial (for me, anyway) chunk of change to John Kerry.  That seemed to have put me on a special list and, in fact, one caller even mentioned the amount.  While that may be understandable from a fund raising point of view, it pissed me off and set me on my path of absolutely refusing to do any donating to telephone solicitations from anyone.  Period.

    I still donate (and frequently) but it's all via the internet and on my schedule.

    Please do this and never feel you owe anyone an explanation of why you aren't donating money.  

    I wish you the best of luck and hope your circumstances improve soon!

    It's not a question of whether our founding fathers are rolling in their graves but rather of how many RPM they're clocking.

    by Eyesbright on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 04:35:46 PM PST

    •  I've always had this policy (16+ / 0-)

      I tell all callers "I never subscribe, pledge, donate or purchase over the phone."

      I'm REALLY sick of the constant calls trying to get me to install a home alarm system. I never realized how often they called until I started working at home. And I am on the Do No Call list.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

      by anastasia p on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 05:16:25 PM PST

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    •  However keep in mind that the unsubscribe link (2+ / 0-)
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      only works temporarily as they share lists and will just re-add you in a few weeks from another source.  

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 09:02:17 PM PST

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      •  I use my spam blocker (2+ / 0-)
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        I can block email addresses so they never come to even my spam folder.
        And I used to tell them that since so many coorstions buy their loyalty, they don't really need my money.
        That diary from Sacramento the other day whete the fracking industry took Congress out for a $13,000 dinner so thatbthey would change their vote pissed me off.
        Can't remember who wrote it.
        Congress WAS going to vote againstbthe bill until they were wined and dimed.

        Passing a law that the Constitution doesn't allow does not negate the Constitution, it negates the law that was passed. Secret courts can't make up secret laws. SORRY FOR THE TYPOS :)

        by snoopydawg on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 11:37:39 PM PST

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    •  Re unsubscribing to email (0+ / 0-)

      Besides solicitations from the DCCC and every other group from center to left, I get junk commercial emails as well. I'm have a MacBook Pro running Maverick, using Safari for email. I have begun the "unsubscribe" routine, and I have found that for some emails (usually commercial, not political ones) it SAYS "click here" to unsubscribe and it LOOKS like a link, but it is not active. You could click tell the cows come home and nothing happens.

      Anyone know, is this a Safari problem or are people who send these emails doing it deliberately?

      New signature coming soon!

      by NYWheeler on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 09:23:57 PM PST

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      •  It is possible that the unsubscribe link is create (0+ / 0-)

        created via javascript.  Of course, since just about every email client disables javascript in email that means it won't work unless you deliberately use an older email client (like netscape 4.x) and turn it back on.

        You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 10:21:36 PM PST

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    •  I Learned The Hard Way (5+ / 0-)

      I learned the hard way to never answer my phone at all anymore if I can't recognize the number showing on Caller ID. It's almost invariably a fund-raiser call. The worst of it is, after picking up once or twice over the years, I had tried to say that I couldn't afford to donate anything at the time - to no avail. The caller(s) simply wouldn't give up, no matter how dire I explained my financial circumstances were. And because I ended up donating anyway, I was particularly resentful for having given money that I really couldn't afford to give.

      As a rule, I now only donate via the Internet and on my schedule.

      Regarding fundraising emails:

      The emails that so many have spoken of here and in other well-written rants/diaries, do keep coming. It is really getting out of hand. I, too, subscribe and get emails from the several Democratic and  progressive groups that I've donated to in the past, so I easily get 10-12 emails per day about any one important occurrence/bill in Congress/the latest right-wing outrage. Especially when getting emails that start with: "We wanted to make sure you saw this", I end up yelling at my computer screen, saying things like: "Yes! yes, I saw this latest nonsense that T&d Cr&z said!", etc. etc. (I think, "I follow D-Kos and so many other blogs; how can I not have seen it?")

      In the end, I had to unsubscribe to DCCC ("D-Trip"), DSCC and so on.  It gets to be just way, way too much.

      So, as to telephone calls, for me, the long and short of it is I never even pick up the phone any more if I can't recognize the Caller ID number - it's almost always a fundraiser and they don't take 'no' for an answer.  

      Left Coast Resident, I want to send my best wishes to you for your employment and health situation. It is indeed very hard out there. I wish you well.


  •  Oh yes! I've also unsubscribed from every (20+ / 0-)

    political mailing list. I'd be much more receptive if I thought there was even a slim chance even our best progressive politicians were trying to move away from the trickle down, neoliberal economy. It ain't happening.

    I'm a Vietnam Era vet. I'm also an Erma Bombeck Era vet. When cussing me out and calling me names please indicate which vet you would like to respond to your world changing thoughts.

    by Just Bob on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 04:44:52 PM PST

    •  They are. (5+ / 0-)

      But you don't know because you're not on their lists. And some of their emails are enlightening and/or amusing. Alan Grayson's is definitely worth putting up with a few that ask for money. I would never unsubscribe from great progressives like Bernie Sanders, Kirsten Gillibrand, Jeff Merkley and my own senator, Sherrod Brown. Or my great progressive congresswoman Marcia Fudge.

      Ed FitzGerald for governor Of Ohio. Women's lives depend on it.

      by anastasia p on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 05:18:16 PM PST

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      •  You make a good point, but... (4+ / 0-)
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        I've been on nearly all the mailing list you mentioned except Marcia Fudge.

        They all share news I've already seen and ask for money. I have no money so it's a waste of time. I do admire your taste in politicians.

        I'm a Vietnam Era vet. I'm also an Erma Bombeck Era vet. When cussing me out and calling me names please indicate which vet you would like to respond to your world changing thoughts.

        by Just Bob on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 05:26:22 PM PST

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      •  I have to keep unsubscribing from them (12+ / 0-)

        because I don't live in their districts. Until we have a parliamentary system, my representatives are mine, and yours are yours, and I'm not going to pester yours to represent me when I'm not their constituent, and I'm also not going to contribute money to a campaign in a district I don't live in. And it drives me crazy that I should end up on, say, Sherrod Brown's campaign mailing list just because I signed a Daily Kos petition, for instance. Hint, hint.

        "The great lie of democracy, its essential paradox, is that democracy is the first to be sacrificed when its security is at risk. Every state is totalitarian at heart; there are no ends to the cruelty it will go to to protect itself." -- Ian McDonald

        by Geenius at Wrok on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 06:22:24 PM PST

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    •  Yea...I donated to 3 or 4 political campaigns (4+ / 0-)
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      last year, and I ended up getting several emails about the latest thing the Republicans have been up to a week (Most were from 1 or 2 sources - MoveOn was particularly bad, and I've never even donated to them).  Fortunately, was easy to get off of the most aggressive lists.  I don't mind once every month or two (Emails, I have no tolerance for phone calls), but getting daily rants coupled with pleas for money is just annoying.

  •  A righteous rant! and so very articulate. (36+ / 0-)

    I don't know which way to go with it.  I don't know whether to suggest that you apply to LIHEAP for utility assistance or if I should just shut up and let you know that I hear you.  So I guess I'll go with this --

    I hear you.

    As for the fundraising calls, I'll share my methods of dealing with this kind of call (although I don't get them any more).

    After I was injured and became unable to work I found that one of the most distressing, depressing, and draining things I had to do was to tell my story over and over again, feeling smaller and weaker and more worthless with every explanation I had to give about why I couldn't to the things I had done before.

    Then slowly I realized that I own my own story, that I don't owe my story to anybody, and no means no.

    Before I tell you my methods, I'll warn you of something you already know:  Fundraising callers (who are really tele-marketers) are required to very persistent, to keep to the script, and to return to the script if you try to stop them.  You can also recognize a fundraising call instantly -- and you own your time, and owe them none of it.

    Here's how I handled these calls -- this is the script I used, you can make up your own if you prefer.

    The goal is to get them off the line as fast as possible, and secondarily to get them to take you off their call-list.

    Okay, here we go.  You answer the phone, recognize that it is a fundraiser, immediately say -- firmly and strongly, as though you are a busy executive who refuses to waste her time -- immediately  with 'Excuse me: this sounds like a fundraising call, and I don't take fundraising calls.  Please take me off your calling list.'  The caller will try to jump in or interrupt.  Don't let them.   If they start jabbering again, immediately repeat that first statement, or say "Excuse me:  I told you I don't accept this kind of call, and I told you to take me off your calling list.  I'm hanging up now.' and hang up.

    That second version -- 'I don't accept this kind of call' -- is especially helpful when they say, 'Oh, but this isn't a fundraising call' but you know that it is.  Interrupt immediately with 'Nevertheless, I don't accept . . ..',  hang up.

    You may shake during or after doing this; you may find yourself flooded with emotion (mine was rage); you may find that your throat  broadens and your voice deepens and the sound comes from your belly in a way that amazes you.  This is because you are fighting for you.  All the emotion you vented in this diary will come to your aid.

    If you get another call from that orgazation, immediately say: 'Excuse me:  I got a call from you people [three days ago, a while back] and I clearly demanded that you remove my name from your calling list.  Please connect me with your manager now."  If they hem and haw about 'managers not here' and ask you to call back (or similar diversions) interrupt them with 'I don't have time for this.  Just put me through, now, to the highest-ranking person available.'  Someone will come on the line.  Take control of this interchange, too.

    Briskly, brusquely, make her give you her name, and her job-title; then the company/organization's name, street address, phone number, and the name of the owner/manager.  Write these things down, getting spelling correct and spelling back everything to her, so she knows you're writing it down.  When this is done (and keep pushing her forward, don't let her slow you down or distract you) say:  'Now.  [Name], I'm very angry.  I told the forst caller from you company to take me off your calling list, and it's obvious that wasn't done.  I am now instructing you, in your capacity as [job title], to take my name off your calling list.  If you don't have the authority to do that yourself,I'm sure you know who does have the authority, and I expect you to take responsibility to see that this is done, and done right away.  If I ever receive another call from your [company/organization], I will have to take action, and when I take action I'll refer to my notes about this call and include my conversation with you in my letters.  Now: is it clear to you that I want my name taken off your list, and that I never want you people to call me again?  Good.  I'm hanging up now.'

    After treating a second call in this way, I have never, ever received a third call.

    I have life-experience that makes it possible for me to speak in the brusque, forceful way I describe.  Many women do not have that experience, or would not want to be 'not nice'.  If you don't think you can do the quality of the presentation I described, I don't see any reason why the same script couldn't be run from a fainting couch, as in --

    (feebly) 'Excuse me?  Excuse me, please let me speak.  I have heart problems, and I'm feeling very frail, but before you waste your time, I should tell you that I don't accept this kind of call.  I just don't.  They're bad for my heart.  Please take me off your calling list, I don't take this kind of call, and you'd only be wasting your time'

    In both styles of presentation (or something  in between), the important factors are:  I don't take this kind of call; take me off your list; control the call; hang up.

    Hope my technique helps.  After you've done it a few times, it will be easy and you won't shake.  Back when I was still getting these calls, I could do the first-call routine without  getting distracted from my book.

    And if you do the first style of presentation, and your cats are sleeping in the room, they'll give you feedback.  The fierce brusque tone should make them perk up their ears, maybe rotate them toward you.  When you emphasize a word -- like now -- they may even open their eyes and turn their heads to see if you're talking to them.  If so, you're probably doing it right.  Good luck.

    •  Good point. You don't owe anyone an (6+ / 0-)

      explanation, a life story, an excuse.  You owe them nothing at all.  If it makes you feel better to explain your circumstances, go for it.  If not, don't.  (And, they'll probably take any ongoing conversation as a chance to keep pitching.)

      My method is different, but it does seem to work.  I just say "No no no no no no no" in a loud tone until they stop talking.  Then I tell them never to call again.

      I've also taken to answering the phone with an unusual greeting -- not "hello" or "hola" or anything like that.  What I'm using doesn't trigger the computer to think a human has answered the phone, so I get neither a human nor a robot in response.  But humans get it just fine.

      © cai Visit to join the fight against global warming.

      by cai on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 06:20:20 PM PST

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    •  This is an EXCELLENT method (6+ / 0-)

      for handling these calls.

      The other way they will try to get their nose into the door is to say they are taking a survey.  After 3-5 questions, if they think you are interested in the topic...... let's say starving children in Inner Wikiville ...... then they start with the plug for money.  

      Another word(s) to add to your vocabulary such as the ones CroneWit has given to you such as "I don't accept"  &  "Take me off your phone list"  is the word "require".  

      For example in this phrase:

      I got a call from you people [three days ago, a while back] and I clearly demanded that you remove my name from your calling list.
      Instead of the word demanded, say "I clearly required that you...."; or 'I clearly told you to'

      One threat we use, is here in NYS if you are harassed by callers for debt collection, telemarketing calls, etc and you  told them to stop, then obtain the type of info CW has suggested (name, organization, etc with date & time) will be forwarded to the NYS Attorney Gen'l in a letter.  Then do it.  But in most cases when you mention the AG's office, that will be enough to stop the calls.  "I require this information for use in my letter to the AG's office."

      BTW - when we shed our land-line and went to cell only, the calls went down immediately.  Only 3 people have my cell phone number, and I only get the calls which are randomly dialed.  Caller ID seems to come with the cell phones, so that makes it easier to pre-screen calls.  We don't answer, if we don't recognize the number.

      This is clearly adding to your stress, and although being tough may not be your style, the calls are adding more angst to your life than being a firm supporter of YOU!

      For once follow the advice of Nancy Reagan - Just say "NO"!

      CroneWit and cal are right - take control of your time, your money, your well being.  It's your phone you are (trying) to pay for - not theirs.  

    •  CroneWit (3+ / 0-)
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      My compliments for naming the game and suggesting our stories are our own - and regardless of our situation or circumstances - they have no right to our reactions, tastes, goals, reaasons, responses inherently unless we give it up

      We owe no one - especially strangers - any explanation

      I ran into this in a car dealership once.   The dealer asked my husband a question he said no - no undercoating on it or something.    The dealer kept at him - demanding his reasons etc.

      I stopped the conversation with the phase:  The man said no - I heard him - no means no - move on or we will -

      I never answer the phone around here -

      we make donations in cash at the food pantries

      we haven't found a way to support the candidates without being abused so the rule is - no money unless we initiate the call.    

      •  Donations to food pantries are great and (2+ / 0-)
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        blueoasis, CroneWit

        appreciated, but consider also donating non-food items if they will be accepted. Like I mentioned above: shampoo & hair care products, personal hygiene items: toilet paper, razors and shaving products, toothbrushes & toothpaste, soaps, feminine hygiene products, diapers; household cleaning items such as dish soap, paper towels, trash bags, aluminum foil, sandwich bags, plastic wrap, drain cleaner; laundry soap and fabric softener; hand and body lotions; shoelaces and polish; etc. If you happen to donate to a women's shelter, think makeup and possibly hair color (I know I can't go on job interviews with grey roots, but hey, that's a personal problem).

        Think of all the things you use on a daily or weekly basis that if you had to buy ONLY FOOD, you might have to do without. If your local food bank or pantry will accept them, those are good items to donate.

        •  Pantries can buy 10 pounds of food for $1 (3+ / 0-)

          according to my pantry's website.  Pantries and kitchens purchase food from a Food Bank, which purchase food from a group like Feeding America.  That makes enormous economies of scale possible.

          Check with your local Food Bank or pantry and find out what your local rate of exchange is.  Then (unless prevented by poverty) start setting aside your pennies, and ask or organize others to do the same. Donate those pennies (or an amount equal to them) to your pantry EVERY MONTH.

          If my '$1 for 10 pounds' ratio is correct (the info may be a little old), ten people giving $.10 per month can provide twenty pounds  of food every month.

          REGULAR giving, even of small amounts, can add up to provide your pantry with a steady stream of purchasing power, even in the months that aren't Christmas.

          Holiday turkeys are great, but bread and veggies in Winter is better; if you can, give your pennies to purchase pounds.

  •  I'm happy to donate... (5+ / 0-)

    here and there, but I definitely agree the requests have got out of control.
    Asking more times doesn't put more in my pockets.

    "People are more than the worst things that they do,"--Chris Hayes

    by chicating on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 04:53:12 PM PST

  •  But here's the problem... (16+ / 0-)
    Here's what I want to do: I want to kick Sen. Harry Reid in the butt to have him stop acting like Charlie Brown waiting for Lucy to stop taking away the football. Fix the damn filibuster already, Sir, and take control of your governing body!
    The system IS working for the democratic politicians. Remember John Kerry's farewell speech to the Senate. He wept while urging his colleagues to keep the Senate rules.

    John Kerry from BLUE Massachusetts finally felt free of electoral politics to show his true self. He likes the filibuster. He wants it to continue. Don't assume all the Dems are frustrated by the GOP obstruction.

    Sorry about the rough patch you're going through.
    We need better dems. PRONTO.

  •  I wish we had a bi-monthly yeast diary (8+ / 0-)

    Just managed to give $5 to Rob Zerban. Gave recently to Wendy Davis and Battleground Texas.  About the only organization I can stand the thought of giving money to is DLCC. I have so little discretionary $$ and giving is always accompanied by real fear. I often think about supporting Grayson and Grijalva. I sure hope to give money to Alison Lundergan Grimes and Mary Burke. I know giving money early has the whole RISES LIKE YEAST thing going for it. I wish we had diaries on the 14th and 29th summarizing the important candidates/races that we as a community are especially OK with. I want my pitiful $5 or sometimes $10 donations to make a difference or why bother.

    I feel for your hurt. My life is so much more comfortable than yours. Yet it's still a struggle all the time. SOME giving helps me feel connected, both to the world out there and the things I believe in and pray for.

  •  progressive groups are very inefficient w/donation (7+ / 0-)

    s of money and activist time.

    there is NO organized response to the right's best weapon- RW radio, outside of the specifically targeted rush boycott.

    any progressive effort that makes headway is targeted for well-designed propaganda responses for which RW radio (1200 coordinated  radio stations) is the main driver- because it is ubiquitous, not readable (invisible), and unchallenged.

    that's why progressives have been so ineffective

    This is a list of 76 universities for Rush Limbaugh that endorse global warming denial, racism, sexism, and GOP lies by broadcasting sports on over 170 Limbaugh radio stations.

    by certainot on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 05:15:22 PM PST

  •  Agree 100% (9+ / 0-)

    Me making an online donation does not give you license to call me and solicit more.

    The more you call, the less likely you will see another dime.

    You can bomb the world to pieces but you can't bomb it into peace - michael franti

    by FarmerG on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 05:16:15 PM PST

    •  Right that is the part that irritates me (2+ / 0-)
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      The more I give online the more calls I get!  Now that is stupid.  The reason I hate getting these calls is that I work from home most of the time and they are damn disruptive.  I hate to ignore my phone completely but sometimes there is no choice.  I tell these folks that I don't contribute over the phone.  It seems to slow them down a bit but they don't go away.

      "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

      by noofsh on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 04:20:23 AM PST

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      •  Um, why is it stupid from their POV? (1+ / 0-)
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        You've already jumped through the narrowest hoop of fire in their selection algorithm: You've demonstrated by your previous contribution(s) that you are willing (or can be manipulated) to donate to a Democratic political campaign.

        Prior contribution history is almost certainly the best predictor of getting money from the person called. I would guess that the cash per call they raise from folks who meet that criterion is at least 100 times what they would get from calling phone #s at random.

        It may be irritating, it may be mercenary, it may be cynical--but it is not stupid for an organization whose sole goal is to raise money.

        The greatest trick the GOP ever played was convincing the devil they had a soul to sell.

        by Uncle Cosmo on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 05:37:18 AM PST

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  •  Constant fund raising calls and emails (18+ / 0-)

    For emails, I now print them out, write a note stating that I can no longer contribute because Nancy Pelosi is supporting the chained-CPI along with a request to cease sending me emails. Then, I support the USPS by sending this copy of my edited email in a stamped envelope to the DCCC or DNCC, whatever.

    The last communication via U.S. mail was received yesterday from President Obama asking my support. I replied in a letter stating that I cannot afford to send dollars on my limited income and refuse to do so because he put the earned benefit programs up front on the negotiating table and is pushing for the chained-CPI. Additionally, he should be aware that I object stongly to his secret dealings with corporations to make trade treaties that will destroy all the hard earned protections for American citizens such as safe working places, healthy food, EPA, jobs in America, etc. while creating corporate courts that will supercede our U.S. constitutional rights.
    I just mailed that today. Oh, I did remind him that he had been to a fund raiser on my block just recently with people who definitely were more well off than I on my Social Security income. I suggested that he ask these people for monetary again rather than sending me such useless pleas.

    Byrnt, an old lady in Greenwich Village, N.Y.C.

  •  I think it's ok to hang up (10+ / 0-)

    I've started with a 2-nos-then-hang-up policy. I just say, "I can't give at this time, sorry," give them a chance to politely say good bye, then if they don't, say no again, then if they continue, just hang up. No need to tell your story, they don't seem to believe it anyway.

    And if they've been so impolite as not to accept your answer, that's their problem, I believe. I felt tremendously relieved when I started doing this. I think it's fair.

    Practice Vipashyana- Occupy Awareness

    by cantelow on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 05:34:10 PM PST

  •  What pisses me off is that I can't even sign ... (25+ / 0-)

    a petition for a cause I believe in without suddenly being added to email lists, and then flooded with requests for money from progressive organizations every time I open my inbox.

    I think it would be only respectful to ask if people would choose to be added to their mailing lists ... and for me at least, the disrespect only leads to bad feelings toward their organizations.

    They are only shooting themselves in the foot because at some point I stop even signing their petitions.

  •  Don't give to the DCCC or DSCC anyway (22+ / 0-)

    They're incumbent protection rackets... They do things like hold off on attacking Republicans that are convenient for them to go soft on (e.g. Chris Christie) because their "resources are better spent elsewhere."

    If you have the clams to give, give to actual liberal and progressive groups, or directly to candidates.

    Government and laws are the agreement we all make to secure everyone's freedom.

    by Simplify on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 05:49:40 PM PST

    •  And -- since they sacked Howard Dean -- they (7+ / 0-)

      are entirely comfortable with "writing off" large swaths of the country.

      We have a good Democratic candidate in West Virginia who might win the upcoming senatorial contest, given even a modicum of support from the national party.

      But I don't expect this to happen.

      Any money I might give "The Democrats" will be pissed away in DC.

    •  "Fundraising deadline" emails (3+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
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      are what sets me off.  Yeah, they have a goal for the month, quarter, whatever.  I do too!  My goal is to be able to keep the lights and heat on during the long winter nights.
      Every email asking for $3 from one of our causes reminds me of what I've lost since I became disabled. Frequent reminders of failure that suck the joy right out of me.  
      This diary was very helpful to me.  
      Sending Light and good fortune to the writer!

      Reach out your hand if your cup be empty, If your cup is full may it be again,

      by VPofKarma on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 05:51:31 AM PST

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  •  I'm in a similar situation (17+ / 0-)

    Age 56, and I went through nearly all my savings after my freelance editing work dried up to a slim trickle early in the "recession," after having had so much work coming to me from the same 3 publishers for 20 solid years prior that I was always having to turn down projects. Luckily for me, things have finally picked up again this year, but not before my savings were nearly depleted (and $10,000 of those savings were spent on health insurance premiums before I finally had to cancel entirely, as it dawned on me that at that rate I'd have no savings left at all). Meanwhile, my retired aunt was buying stuff at estate sales and reselling it on eBay to augment her SS payments, and she taught me the ropes, so that has helped me make ends meet during the slow weeks or even months. I don't qualify for any kind of public assistance whatsoever for one reason or another, and being self-employed, unemployment is out of the question.

    Anyway, the telemarketers and fund-raisers have been driving me crazy, with 6 to 8 phone calls from these people every single day disrupting my work, until I finally had an idea a couple weeks ago. I set my printer's fax machine to answer on the 4th ring, before the voice mail picks up but usually giving me enough time to check the caller ID to see if it's someone I know. I figured they'd think they got a fax number, since the fax answered before a person did, and the majority would take me off their list. This has worked like a charm! The calls have diminished to a max of 2 a day, and some days I don't get any at all! And I've never, ever given out my cell number to anyone but friends and family, to make sure I won't be hounded on that phone.

    •  I get hounded on my cell phone (8+ / 0-)

      several times a week.  Fortunately only businesses that are blind- and robocalling; like you, I don't hand out my cell # to anyone but close friends.  

      I think we're the only country on the planet that allows cell phone companies to charge their customers for calls they RECEIVE.  That's not only a guarantee for abuse; that delliberately writes abuse into the system.

      Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

      by corvo on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 07:04:06 PM PST

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      •  And even worse the only way to effectively block (2+ / 0-)
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        VPofKarma, corvo

        them is to get a smartphone and root or jailbreak it so you can install something like Call Master which lets you automatically reject any caller not in your address book.  That's right, you have to hack your own phone in order to stop them from getting through (non-root solutions don't stop the phone from ringing, though some can make it so it only rings once or twice).

        You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 09:11:02 PM PST

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  •  If all we can do to advance progressive causes (4+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
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    is measured in monetary terms we are, not to put too fine a point on it, screwed.

    One thing I do have a bit of an issue with was this sentence:

    I'm a 57-year old white woman who has worked her entire adult life and doesn't have a clue how to matriculate through social services.
    Mentioning your ethnicity in this way makes it sound as a typical 57-year-old woman of color either wouldn't have worked her whole adult life, or would have more familiarity with social services.

    I'm sure you didn't mean it like that.  I suspect you brought up race because you were thinking that other people make assumptions about race when they hear about someone who needs food stamps.  But the way it was phrased just struck me a bit off, and I thought I'd mention it because this diary seems to be getting a bunch of attention.

    © cai Visit to join the fight against global warming.

    by cai on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 05:55:19 PM PST

  •  And with the emails ... (7+ / 0-)

    Although this wasn't as successful ... Right after the 2012 elections, I was tired of having my inbox constantly full of political and fund-raising emails; I also used to belong to several nature and environmental orgs. back when I used to have money, so they hound me too. So I decided to do a purge, and I went through and spent the time unsubscribing from almost all of them except a few I really wanted to hear updates from. So here it is, almost a year later, and all the places I unsubscribed have me back on their lists and are emailing me again! I think it's because of petitions I sign, where your email always has to be part of it.

  •  I feel for you & I'm in the same position (8+ / 0-)

    I got rid of my land line not only to save money but because of these calls.  Now if I get a call on my cell I do the following:

    1.  If it's not a # on my call list I don't answer it but wait to see if they leave a message since most organizations solicating contributions don't leave messages and if they do leave a message I delete it.

    2.  If I do accidentially pick up a call and they start to speak I cut them off at the start by telling them I'm unemployed and can't afford to send any donations thank them and hang up.

    Good luck in your job search, it's so hard especially for us older workers.

    Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011) Voting is a louder voice than a bullhorn.

    by Rosalie907 on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 06:16:35 PM PST

    •  I've started using a similar strategy (2+ / 0-)
      Recommended by:
      NoMoreLies, Shahryar

      If the caller has an 800 or 888 number, I just don't pick up. This does have the unfortunate effect of ignoring legitimate calls (e.g. from my bank's fraud unit, telling me someone had hacked my debit card account and I had to get a new debit card), but usually the legitimate ones leave a message that I eventually find.

      When I pick up by mistake, I've gradually learned to become more aggressive in saying no. If the caller keeps babbling on anyway, I just hang up. Before I learned to do that, I once told a caller about all the bills I could not pay at that time, and that the bank was threatening foreclosure on our house -- and the caller said every bit counts for the cause, and surely I could afford $5 or $10?

      Sometimes, though, if you don't answer or hang up, you get called many times over a period of several days. Quite annoying.

      New signature coming soon!

      by NYWheeler on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 09:37:06 PM PST

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      •  Well just wait until they start spoofing the (1+ / 0-)
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        caller ID numbers of your friends and family members, thus defeating your strategy of not answering (and mine of using an app that automatically sends callers not in my address book to voicemail.  oh, and that app requires that you "root" your phone for it to work).

        You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 10:24:31 PM PST

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        •  Damed if you do and (0+ / 0-)

          Damed if you don't.  FYI, I no longer even forward emails sent with petitions because of this.

          Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011) Voting is a louder voice than a bullhorn.

          by Rosalie907 on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 09:56:41 PM PST

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      •  Callers like the bank (0+ / 0-)

        Will leave you a mesage and you can call them back.  I got an important call from an 800 # while driving but they left me a v.m. and I listened to the message when I had stopped and called them back.

        Never be afraid to voice your opinion and fight for it . Corporations aren't people, they're Republicans (Rev Al Sharpton 10/7/2011) Voting is a louder voice than a bullhorn.

        by Rosalie907 on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 09:53:16 PM PST

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  •  I would love for there to be a diary (2+ / 0-)
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    SuWho, VPofKarma

    recommending the 10 (or however many) most essential recipients for donations, for those who can afford to donate something. (And diarist, I hope your fortunes change.) I am not knowledgeable enough to write such a diary myself. I don't know who to give to and who to ignore and would appreciate some guidance from, say, a front-pager at DailyKos. As it is, I feel that money is flying around in thousand of directions and some of it has to be wasted money but some of it may be actually accomplishing something. Who are the most effective progressive organizations we should be supporting?

  •  i only donated to actual candidates who I KNEW (2+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    corvo, Chi

    were working for democracy and we the people.  Even then I've been fooled a couple of times.     I have donated to LWV and ACLU a few times and once to Amnesty.

    Unfortunately I can't donate for at least the next year until my finances figure out where they stand...going thru transition now.

    I don't donate to the big Democratic  orgs.  

    Dollarocracy is not Democracy

    by leema on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 06:39:50 PM PST

  •  I'm sorry for what's happening in your life... (6+ / 0-)

    but let me give a view from the other side.

    The debacle that is Wisconsin has caused my spouse and & to get politically active. She ran for state Assembly in 2012 and nearly outraised her incumbent Republican opponent. (Still lost.) Since then we've been active in fundraising for some candidates and for causes (primarily getting women elected).

    The republicans have it easy. They put the word out, and 50 old white male 1%'ers and their trophy wives each donate $5K - $10K. Or whatever the maximum is. Then they each donate another $5K - $10K or more to some nameless PAC whose office is just down the hall.

    We - Democrats and progressives - have to scrape together nickels and dimes to try to get the word out to counter them. And that means a lot of calling.

    Even if you tell one group that you're unemployed, they can't tell others because that would be collaboration, which is not allowed under the current system.

    It's an imperfect system, and the table is slanted towards those who want to make your life worse, not better. Please don't be too judgmental towards those who are working on your side.

  •  i never answer the phone (4+ / 0-)

    and all fundraising emails go into the spam folder. It's a process that takes about 3 minutes every month.

    especially Credo, MoveOn, Progressive Caucus, Democratic Party, CodePink...I'm simply not interested anymore.

    Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility- LutherCEO

    by terrypinder on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 06:57:16 PM PST

  •  I've said this before, once (5+ / 0-)

    and I'll say it again, now:
    this diary belongs on a super all-time list of greatest diaries ever.
    The problem that is American politics, summarized.

  •  I feel Your Pain (6+ / 0-)
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    3goldens, cai, jan4insight, PinHole, VPofKarma, Chi

    I really wish we could pass a Constitutional Amendment on campaign finance.

    I don't know what is worse: that $6 Billion was spent on Presidential Campaigns in 2012 or that those in the middle class and working poor Americans like use are expected to pay for it!

    God only knows how much will be spent in 2016! I wish you the best and hope things turn around for all of us soon.

  •  Outgunned? (2+ / 0-)
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    TXdem, blueoasis
    I know that we're outgunned financially. The greed of the rich wanting to keep their filthy lucre from the teeming masses and all that.
    Not sure if I agree with this? For eg. in the 2012 elections, the POTUS probably raised and spent as much money as Romney. I didn't see any outgunning. In Virginia now, McAuliffe outgunned KenC comfortably as far as money is concerned. Obama was the first Major presidential candidate to opt out of public funding ever.

    Under these circumstances, how can you say we are outgunned?

  •  In the past few days, I've been (3+ / 0-)
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    SuWho, Chi, DemInSeattle

    unsubscribing from every progressive site and Democrats' emails I signed up for with two exceptions:  Senator Sanders and Representative Grayson.

    My inbox is getting unmanageable.

  •  Bravo! (3+ / 0-)
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    SuWho, VPofKarma, Chi

    This so needed to be said.  I haven't answered the phone in months because so many are just relentless (do they graduate from bill collecting to fund raising?).
    I gave til it hurt in the 2 elections that have occurred since I lost my job and many who I supported won, but precious little has changed and all the promises translated into the worst Congress ever.  Yes it could have been worse and I like to think I helped prevent Armageddon but the well is empty and I'm pretty much convinced that everyone who calls and sends e-mails begging for bucks really doesn't give shit anyway.

  •  Just a suggestion (8+ / 0-)

    And everyone should have this...

    Create a "throw away email address" then sign up for everything and do all your shopping using that email address. I have a hotmail account I've used for almost a decade. I get all my spam there. I check it once a day because I get some legitimate stuff there too, but all the companies that spam me with info/requests because I signed up through that edress go straight to the spam folder. I clean it out daily when I check the inbox. If something is a new registration that I want to see regularly I unspam it and then it goes to the inbox from then on. When I shop with a new company I always go right to the spam folder on that account and check for my receipt.

    Nice and simple and I don't have to worry about my regular email address getting flooded with requests.

    Voting straight party D 'til there's no GOP...

    by jusjtim35 on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 07:38:22 PM PST

  •  I have/am living in the same (7+ / 0-)

    frustrating place.

    And I am tired to death of explaining WHY I don't have money to donate. And also why I can't come out to volunteer like I used to (gas costs money, and I can't afford to waste it.)

    I wish you well. I also wish there was an end in sight to this mess.

    You hear about crazy, but it's rarer than you think. -Jon Stewart 1/10/2011

    Help Me Find Mister Boots

    by lcork on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 07:41:02 PM PST

  •  This is the way we win (2+ / 0-)
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    TXdem, jan4insight

    Definitely I understand it annoys you.
    It annoys me too, and I'm not in the financial difficulties you are.
    It annoys everyone.
    And yet it kind of works. Because of us, Obama had enough money to win. And we have a Democratic senate.
    Say what you want about them, but life would be a whole lot worse without them...

    Obama 2012...going to win it with our support!!!

    by mattinjersey on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 08:18:52 PM PST

  •  We make $200k+ and... (0+ / 0-)

    Democrats can fuck off for future political contributions!

    I donated around $400 to Obama and even some to other elections posted here in the past few years.

    No more.

    I'm sick of Democrats running from the ACA, filibuster reform and for speaking out on progressive issues.

    Fuck you guys, seriously, I'm almost a Republican if only for lower taxes.

    The only thing that keeps me voting Democrat, aside from, you know, imploding the government, is that the stock market is doing pretty damn good.

    Pretty demoralized otherwise...any conservatives that want to quote this can suck my ass.

  •  I have no money. I don't want phone calls. (0+ / 0-)

    I'm not registered.

    I don't trust the "srus ppl" to leave me be.

    Righteousness is a wide path. Self-righteousness is a bullhorn and a blindfold.

    by Murphoney on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 08:19:58 PM PST

  •  With you 100%, and in midst of this TPP fiasco (9+ / 0-)

    I've become far less willing to open my wallet for "progressive" groups chiming in for donations. I've donated a good deal of money and effort to the DCCC and specific Democratic candidates in the past, and now in return for all our efforts, far too many Congressional Democrats are lining up to support this atrocious, secretive "fast-track" push for the Trans-Pacific Partnership that President Obama's been so gung-ho about, all but handing over US sovereignty on a platter to the multinational corporations and oligarchs.  Along with his proposed budget that forces "tough choices" on Social Security- tough choices only for the already-suffering poor and elderly, of course, while the Pete Petersons and fellow oligarchs would make out like bandits.

    And it's not only the usual DLC corporate, Wall St, authoritarian sell-outs like Sens. Schumer and Feinstein pushing the TPP insanity, it's even more "reliable" progressives like Sen. Gillibrand. Oh, and all this after they go and push for $4 billion in cuts to Food Stamps. Yeah, so rather than doing the right thing and standing up to the GOP wingnuts by pointing out how government assistance is really, desperately needed in this bullshit "recovery" we're in from the Great Recession, the Dems in Congress and Obama justify their own pissing on the working poor and unemployed as a "kinder, gentler" form of fascism. (Oh, but there's still plenty of extra billions of $$ for corporate welfare, the banksters, the MIC and big Ag firms) All this while the corporate Dems team up with the GOP to scuttle minimum-wage boosts and cut worker protections, esp. in guest-worker visas designed to screw over American and migrant workers alike. The most maddening part about this is that the USA is not a "center-right" country in any way anymore, not since trickle-down was shown by be the the unmitigated disaster it is in the Great Recession. The vast majority of people in the USA support more FDR-like programs, that's where the Overton Window should be and that's where Dems should go, not trying to become a "softer" version of the looney Right in this country.

    And the DCCC expects us to contribute to this? Yes, the GOP and Tea Party are obstructionist assholes, but you solve this problem by getting in their face, fighting them and sticking to your FDR pro-worker and economic progressive credentials, not following the Chuck Schumer/Joe Lieberman/Amy Klobuchar/Max Baucus model and selling out. The few liberal-ish crumbs they toss at us on social issues just don't work anymore, nobody cares about that crap when they're broke and drowning in student debt or medical bills. Not when the USA is suffering from some of the highest levels of poverty (not to mention incarceration as the poor get tossed into jail as they struggle for food) in our own history or in the Western world. Not one more dime in donations until they reject this DLC Third-Way bullshit and show they're truly economic progressive, otherwise another party will take their place.

    •  Ask yourself this: (0+ / 0-)

      Would the world be a better place with Nancy Pelosi as Speaker?

      I donate to the DCCC because this organization is  the engine that will power a retaking of the House in 2014. (Very possible outcome this time)

      I'll stop calling him Boner when he stops saying I belong to the Democrat Party.

      by al23 on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 06:55:22 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  I am 28, i have 2 degrees and haven't been able to (7+ / 0-)

    find work for 3 years since graduating, i'm over skilled for grunt work, and i don't get call backs from jobs that need my degrees because they want people with higher degrees.

    But i'm lucky to have an understanding family, still i'd love to find work.

    So i know yer pain


    •  Recommended... (3+ / 0-)
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      Tweedledee5, ladybug53, DemInSeattle

      ...because it matches my situation almost exactly (though I'm a few years older).

      I rarely get calls; all my solicitations are email.  I'm tempted to unsubscribe, but occasionally there's useful info.  Two pet peeves I have: the ones that say "supporter record - contribution to date $0, please pay $5".  It sounds too much like they are checking up on me and sending me a bill.  The other thing I don't like are the forwards that start, "Did you see so-and-so's message?" or "I just wanted to make sure you saw this."  OF COURSE I SAW IT THE FIRST TIME; YOU SENT IT TO THE SAME ADDRESS!  OFA also did way too much solicitation when they could have leveraged our support to contact Congress to lobby for the President's agenda.

  •  For me, it's not even completely about the (6+ / 0-)

    money - I could give the 20 or 50 or whatever they're asking for and be fine financially. I don't donate when they call because of security - I don't know if they're really from the DCCC or whichever group or some random scammer who's going to take my credit card number on an Amazon shopping spree. There's enough public information out there - voter registration, social media, etc, that if you have someone's name, you can easily find out what causes or parties they're likely to support and call them pretending to represent that party and get credit card info.

    My rule is I don't give out personal info to people who call me, whether it's political groups or charities or anything, because I have no idea who the hell they really are. I donate on my own terms through more trustworthy channels.

    "How come when it’s us, it’s an abortion, and when it’s a chicken, it’s an omelette?" - George Carlin

    by yg17 on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 09:02:31 PM PST

  •  Amazing coincidence: (6+ / 0-)

    After receiving no less than 75 email solicitations a day, I finally decided just this morning to unsubscribe from the whole lot of them.

    My rationale? If people living in a district 3,100 miles away from me lack the personal intellectual bandwidth to vote against their own best interests or - worse - don't participate in the management of their own country at all, no amount of money I will ever throw at a campaign will change one person's mind. All I can do, hoping to have some impact on the quality of our country as a middle class guy in his 60s is offer my opinions in a public forum like this, talk with my fellow citizens locally and stay informed.

    Occasionally I may cause someone's blood pressure to rise; that usually means that some of that blood is flowing up to their brain and they're starting to think.

    The diarist's anger is aptly directed at a govenment in which she has invested her taxes - and for her investment she has received what the one percenters would characterize as "diminishing returns". May she try to remember an old saying attributable to George Burns: "Experience and treachery will always trump youth and skills."

  •  Also, never donate to a charity. (0+ / 0-)

    I donated 15$ to a major charity and foolishly gave them my real information and since then, I've received at least a couple calls every day. Within a few months, my number was also put on a commercial call list as well.

    Since I work at night, I have to unplug my phone when I got to bed. I would change my number, but a few cell phone numbers I've had had the same problem.

    And the do not call list is a joke; I wouldn't be surprised if some places compared their number list to that list to confirm useful numbers. After all, if agencies like the FDA and USDA are rendered corrupt and useless, how much power do you think something like the DNC list has?

    If you must donate to charity, lie about who you are or do so anonymously.

    "...So the world might be mended"

    by Cofcos on Sat Nov 09, 2013 at 10:26:35 PM PST

  •  My strategy about money for campaigns (2+ / 0-)
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    Chi, Swamp Cat

    is to pick the key races we need to win.

    I donate to those races.

    When the other callers make their plea, I feel good to say,
    "I have many of the same ideas and have contributed. Thank you!"

    It ends all the angst on both ends of the line instantly.

    (Imagine if people were NOT calling and we were losing elections left and right for lack of support.
    Stop complaining about our fellow warriors fighting the battle they participate in. They're on OUR side!)

    Enagaged activism wins elections. 100 million words on liberal/progressive websites gets beat by one new GOP voter casting their vote.

    by Nebraska68847Dem on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 02:58:45 AM PST

  •  I have a cell phone instead of a land line -- (3+ / 0-)
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    Dvalkure, blueoasis, greengemini

    and I hate these calls too.

    So what I did was create a new contact in my phone, "Spam Don't Answer." Now, when I get one of these annoying calls, I hang up and then add the number to my existing contact Person Spam Don't Answer.

    And when/if they ever call back, I know not to answer.

    It's a small thing, but gives me a tiny bit of pleasure. And a tiny bit of control.

    •  Though doesn't it suck that you have to (1+ / 0-)
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      hack your phone (through "rooting" or jailbreaking) in order to automatically reject such calls?  Though you can always set the ringtone to silence if you aren't willing to root/jailbreak or you don't have a smartphone.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 04:17:49 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  The money calls have gotten out of control (1+ / 0-)
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    I agree with you completely.  I really hate getting calls for contributions.  I can understand your position completely.

    "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Riane Eisler

    by noofsh on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 04:16:40 AM PST

  •  Your diary says it all. (6+ / 0-)

    My tip about the phone calls is as soon as you realize it's a telemarketer of any kind, interrupt immediately and say, "No thank you, and take me off your calling list".  

    As a polite person, I had to white knuckle my way through doing this quite a few times, but guess what?  These calls have almost completely stopped.  If you can afford caller id on your phone, that makes it even easier.  Just don't answer those calls with no id on them from some far away area code you don't recognize.

    Another tip:  Stop signing all those petitions.  I've come to see them as a way to get me on the money donation train.  I sign one, and in come 10 emails from politicians asking for money, most of which whose names I barely recognize, and who represent a district halfway across the country somewhere!  If it's a politician or cause I wholly support, I sign up with an email I set up for that purpose only.  I check it about once a month and just delete everything.

    I'm tired of all of this, too.  If we keep going like this we'll all be bled dry as the money rises to the top.  We have one hope:  Get the damn money out of politics!  Otherwise, no matter what we do we're screwed!  Nothing else matters, really.  The rest is just a bandaid on gaping, bleeding wound.

  •  the DCCC asking for money (8+ / 0-)

    DCCC is NOT a progressive group.  It is the Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee, and there isn't a damn thing progressive about the Democrats.

    What we need is a Democrat in the White House. Warren 2016

    by dkmich on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 05:00:13 AM PST

  •  Pretty simple (3+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Chi, Swamp Cat, greengemini

    Be very nice to the person on the phone (who is either a volunteer or a person working at barely above minimum wage, and who didn't write the script). Just interrupt them early in the first sentence, and say "Stop. I'm sure you're doing good work, but I have a policy of never making donations over the phone. Please mark my record 'no phone calls.' I'd be happy to look at anything you send me by mail. Thanks, and I'll let you get on to the next call." Then you hang up.

    I do this consistently and get very very few phone calls from reputable left-wing organizations. I think if they trade lists, the "no phone calls" mark must show up on the new one.

  •  The DCCC ? (6+ / 0-)

    I thought this was about Progressive groups, not water carriers for the status quo.

    Any of the D*** groups that call me get the same response - call me back when you are ready for serious campaign finance reform, because until then, you asking for MY money is just insulting.

  •  Okay but this is why conservatives win (1+ / 0-)
    Recommended by:
    Swamp Cat

    their people participate, donate, work.  Our people don't.  I see it everyday at my non-profit job.  People are always asking why we can't do more.  And I always point out we only do as much as our money allows.  

    I'm sorry for your circumstances but the person calling/mailing doesn't know.  And the only way a group like Planned Parenthood, the ACLU, the EFF, etc. survive is through donations.  They HAVE to ask, or else they will be gone and then what?  If there is no planned parenthood or ACLU or NAACP or Move On, what lefty infrastructure is left?

    Just hang up the phone.  Most people calling for money DON'T consider it rude.  It actually makes their job easier - higher number of calls made increases the chance of receiving a donation.  

  •  I'm a pretty frequent contributor (1+ / 0-)
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    to progressive causes and do get maybe 5 to 10 calls per month from organizations I have contributed to and others I have not.

    Sure its annoying sometimes, but its what needs to be done to defeat the right wing beast.

    I'm always polite when I decline and wish them success, and almost always invite them to call again. About 95% of the time this works well.

    I'll stop calling him Boner when he stops saying I belong to the Democrat Party.

    by al23 on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 06:36:54 AM PST

  •  DCCC is the worst (4+ / 0-)

    And they are misleading.  I pay attention so when they cherry pick their polls, and use a poll that everyone here recognizes as unreliable, as part of their pitch drive I get deeply offended.  And they do it all the time.  I just took myself off of their lists not too long ago.  If you can't fundraise ethically, i'm not confident that you can organize ethically.

  •  Rec'd X a gazillion=I feel your pain (1+ / 0-)
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    Other than being born with a different set of plumbing and a prostate, and popping into existence a few later I could be you.

    Glad you vented. I suspect we are legion.

    It's not just the Republicans to blame for this bag of nasty ridiculous.  I'm piss-poor tired of Democrat's platitudes too.

    And their begathons.

    I'm looking forward to being so poor that I lose an address, Internet access and my land-line. Maybe then they'll stop asking me for money.

    It ain't me. It ain't me. Ain't no Fortunate Son - John Fogerty Don't get me started on Rain on the Scarecrow, Blood on the Plow - John "Cougar" Mellencamp What went so terribly wrong!? I want to blame something, someone.. A focus for my rage.

    by Anthony Page aka SecondComing on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 07:58:03 AM PST

  •  I have started sending back their emails with a (1+ / 0-)
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    note saying that I am poor, on SS, have had cuts to SNAP, had my pension "not funded since 1974" by AT&T, have a shut off on my electric and no longer have cable TV but I would love to have them send me a check from which they may deduct my $3.00 donation.  Perhaps if they were flooded by those emails daily they would stop.....

  •  calling at a bad time. goodbye. click (0+ / 0-)

    is all you have to say.

    "Take me off your call list." or
    "I have already asked to be taken off your list and will file a Federal complaint" is good to throw in if you feel it appropriate .

    You are doing all a favor if you get rid of them quickly.  

    Don't forget to register on

  •  I know what you mean... (2+ / 0-)
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    greengemini, buddabelly

    ...the other day I broke down crying contemplating the sad fact that if it wasn't for my mother I would be homeless now.  And I am dragging her down with me.  I have only 1000 left on the IRA, which if I hadn't been unemployed underemployed for so long would be probably be at 500K by now.  I wouldn't be driving a car, and I know I am lucky to have it, that the instrument panel freaks out occasionally and overheats if I turn on the AC.  I would have a working TV and a computer of my own and I would fix that leak in my tubs overflow drain and the small leak in my washer.  I would have seen a doctor in the past 2 years, or when I stubbed my toe so bad I am sure it was broke.

    And the sad thing is I know I am much better off than others.  And that even if I had stayed employed I would still be a fat, depressed single male without kids and no purpose in life but at least I would worry about dragging my mother down with me.

    Ah fuck why do I post this.

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Sun Nov 10, 2013 at 10:40:35 AM PST

  •  Don't Call Me. I'll Call You. (0+ / 0-)

    I have a policy of giving to those candidates or groups I see doing things to move the progressive agenda forward. They don't need to call me. All they need to do is implement a liberal idea or get progressive policy enacted. If they do that, I'll send them money.

    They are totally wasting their time calling me, sending me messages or mailing anything to me. And, they're wasting my time in the bargain.

  •  Send the DCCC a Message (2+ / 0-)
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    Dvalkure, Slightly Wobbly

    Got mail? I have a policy for any mail I receive from the DNC, DCCC, or DSCC. I write on their return slip the following message:

    I need to see action. Increase benefits for retirees. Increase wages for workers. Increase the top rates for income taxes. You know, implement Democratic policy. Then, I'll send you money.
    Then I put it in their SASE and post it back to them. I'm sure they want feedback.

    Call it "pay for performance".

  •  DCCC is pretty bad. Sorry to say so is Sierra Club (0+ / 0-)

    I did contribute to DCCC once or twice but I got turned off because they will support candidates that are out in a wing of the party I don't care to encourage.

    I also used to be a Sierra Club member. But they outsource their fundraising to third-party professionals. So you get called up by somebody who's not a member, with a set spiel, asking for your $$. They are very persistent, to the point where I just signed off and went away, and gave my donations to other environmental organizations and causes. I'm sure they do good work, but they treat their members like ATM machines.

  •  get out of LA if you can. (1+ / 0-)
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  •  Phone soliciting contributions (0+ / 0-)

    Anyone who calls is politely told " that since I don't know who you really are I do not give out any information over the phone" closed...thanks for coming...enjoy your dinner and have a glass of wine

  •  Don't be rude (1+ / 0-)
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    As somebody active in a small county Democratic party, I just have to ask ... please don't be rude. I ask people for money, send mail, occasionally make phone calls, send e-mails. I don't have much choice. I'm not getting anywhere with traditional media, and it's a rural county, a hard place to get much traction. Occasionally, somebody whose time is VERY precious gets very self-righteous and rude in DEMANDING to be left alone. All I need to do is check off a box for "do not contact" in my database so that I never get in touch again--and all it takes to make me check that box is a simple request. No shouting, no blowing air horns into the phone, no long notes shoved in a reply envelope, no long-winded rants telling me why correspondence is no longer welcomed.

    (I'm not directing this at the diarist--just at the general frustration that is legitimately felt at the individuals doing the thankless jobs, often volunteer, to keep Democratic and progressive organizations afloat.)

    •  We only get rude when (0+ / 0-)

      callers are rude, too persistent and nosy.

      What really gets me is when the 'campaign professionals' expect us, the lowly volunteer foot soldiers, to do their dirty work for them.  On house to house canvasing we are told to try to get cell phone numbers and email addresses.  Same with phone calls.  

      No   We will not do this.  We will not collect the information which is too often used to hound people.

      We also live in a rural area.  Communication is really a problem.  The first thing to go from the household budget under stress is the regional, local weekly newspapers.  

      As for your 'do not contact' list notation - those do not exist for the lists run by professionals.  And those calling on behalf of a local mayor/supervisor candidate are lumped in with the robo calls and those from 'call centers' in the minds of most.  

      I don't know what the answer is, but the whole mess is very stressful and a major reason politics & government is a major turn off to many people.  The Tea Baggers & Repigs seek to get around this by making people angry so they will want to at least vote.  

  •  Next time try this.... (0+ / 0-)

    Do not give them your phone number. Look up the local Democratic party office number and use that...(or Republican)

    Molon Labe...

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