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There is an average of 30,000 gun related deaths every year in the United States and that number continues to climb. Most everyone accepts that guns are a part of America, thanks to the Second Amendment to our Constitution, which gives everyone who is not a felon a right to protect their lives and their homes.

However, thanks to gun rights advocates, especially the NRA, guns rights have become much more than just keeping a loaded rifle or pistol around the house, or keeping guns for hunting. Now some gun owners have semi-automatic assault rifles that can dispense 30 and even 100 bullets before reloading, within a matter of a few minutes. Any experienced hunter can tell you that you do not need that many bullets in a magazine to go hunting for wild animals.

Four mothers from Moms Demand Action for Gun Sense in America went to lunch together at the Blue Mesa Grill outside of Dallas to talk about organizational plans. Then members of Open Carry Texas, a gun advocacy group decided to show up with their guns, some of them semi-automatic assault rifles, strapped on, which appeared to be an attempt at intimidation. Perhaps I am wrong and the nearly 40 members of the group felt fearful for their lives from those four moms having lunch together and felt they needed some protection before showing up to stand in support of gun rights.

The organization the moms belong to was created after the tragedy in Newtown Connecticut, at the Sandy Hook Elementary school where 20 small children and 6 of their educators were gunned down by a lone gunman who unloaded an assault rifle on them, mowing them all down in less than 5 minutes. These mothers send their children to school 5 days a week and surely, it concerns them that their children could be the next in line for a crazed killer armed to the teeth with powerful weapons that do not belong in the hands of ordinary citizens because those types of weapons were made for war, not civilian life.

Sensible gun controls are all they want. They have no desire to take all the guns out of law-abiding citizens' hands, just laws that can help keep guns out of the wrong hands and guns made for war and with large magazine clips out of ordinary citizens' hands. Unfortunately, to gun rights advocates, like the people who showed up at that mall where the four women were having lunch that day, any gun control whatsoever is too much. They feel they should have the right to carry their guns wherever they wish without restrictions, any kind of gun, and no matter how inappropriate.

As far as the NRA and gun advocates in Texas and elsewhere, no one even has a right to talk about gun control, let alone actually enact gun control. Guns should be available upon demand and there should not be any background checks or any limits on how large the magazine clips, because any controls whatsoever would be blocking their constitutional rights. I am wondering how long it will be before they include grenade launchers and rocket launchers as protected by the Second Amendment.

I have a hunch that our founding fathers would be turning over in their graves if they realized just how distorted gun advocates have changed the very meaning of the Second Amendment to the Constitution. In those days, a weapon was a musket, which had to be loaded after every shot was fired.

Sure, there is a sensible understanding that this is a new age and having a handgun that can discharge perhaps 6 to 10 bullets is not unreasonable for someone to keep in a safe place in their home to protect against intruders. Even a rifle that can blow a hole wide enough to take down an elephant is somewhat understandable, but why does a civilian need an assault rifle that can unload a hundred bullets within minutes? The only reason I can come up with is for mass killing, as they would do on the battlefield.

Maybe some people view America as a battlefield and even four mothers meeting for lunch to talk about sensible gun control laws is a dangerous place to show up without being fully loaded to the hilt with assault rifles. Perhaps instead, this group of people feels the need to show some intimidation to these ladies, to let them know that they had better watch out when it comes to talking about guns. That is because this is America and the Second Amendment right to carry a gun, overrides the First Amendment right to meet and talk freely, that is unless you are talking about more guns. It is always, guns and more guns for this bunch of brave gun rights advocates who decided to show up one day to scare off four moms meeting for lunch. Real tough guys they are, don't ya think?

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  •  Guns have become a hazard to society. (13+ / 0-)

    A minority of Americans own guns (45%), but they own a lot of guns (300million). 6% of Americans hunt. I don't have a figure for sport shooting (as in competition range shooting) but it's not a huge number.
    The  rest are either criminals or people who think they are defending themselves from criminals.
    Proper registration of guns would effect only one of those groups: The criminals. And there's lots of them, considering how much crime is accompanied by guns, including ones where no shots are fired.
    As for those gunthugs in Texas, they should be tracked down, arrested, disarmed and banned from ever owning a weapon again. They have demonstrated, publicly, that they are not to be trusted with anything more dangerous than a butterknife. Pure bullying tactics, brandishing firearms, illegal and sickening.

    If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

    by CwV on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:32:10 AM PST

    •  Absolutely. (13+ / 0-)

      How easily we accept bullying in this country.

      And worse---how easily we endorse it.

      "The people who were trying to make this world worse are not taking the day off. Why should I?”---Bob Marley

      by lyvwyr101 on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:45:09 AM PST

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    •  Today I went into Gander Mountain, because I (2+ / 0-)
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      wanted to see what a "Firearms Superstore" looked like.

      Oh.  my.  God.  

      Now I see why these teabag militia types think they can fight a civil war.  I have never seen so many guns in my life.  I guess they require a special permit, but there were what looked like Thompson submachine guns with drum magazines, there were sniper rifles which I suppose were .50 caliber, but they looked like 20mm to me.  There was one that was $10,000.  There were assault weapons of every conceivable configuration that looked like they had noise suppressors on them.  There were pistols that looked like they needed an extra person just to hold them up.

      Then there was every other sort of lesser imp and demon you can imagine.  They lined about 50 yards of wall with glass cases for handguns in front and they were muzzle to muzzle.

      If that wasn't enough, there were signs all over the place notifying customers that they were limited to TEN (10) boxes of ammunition per person per day, so that everyone could get their fair share.  Cripes.

      And there was no shortage of ammunition on the shelves.
      Row after row after row.

      And. this. was. one. single. store.

      God help us.

      Ted Cruz president? Pardon my Vietnamese, but Ngo Pho King Way.

      by ZedMont on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 02:26:39 PM PST

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  •  Is the same story that Josh Marshall TPM walked (3+ / 0-)
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    back yesterday?

    Notice: This Comment © 2013 ROGNM UID 2547

    by ROGNM on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 08:43:48 AM PST

  •  I don't want people carrying rifles to be accepted (10+ / 0-)

    I'm a gun owner and all myself.

    But I don't want somebody carrying a a so called assault weapon to be accepted walking down a street.

    Many times people have carried guns into malls and other places fairly openly, even climbing stairs and then opened fire.

    I'd much rather have somebody carrying an assault weapon cause me to put something solid between me and them!

    If you have all kinds of people carrying them just to show off then you run the risk of people thinking a mass shooter is not a danger and then he opens fire.

  •  fidlerten - do you not understand the difference (4+ / 0-)
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    between automatic and semi-automatic rifles? In your second and third paragraphs you use the term "automatic" when you should be using the term "semi-automatic". The ownership of fully automatic weapons is highly restricted in the US. The overwhelming majority of rifles sold in the US are semi-automatic weapons, meaning that as each round is fired with one trigger pull a new round is entered into the firing chamber. To fire that next round requires the shooter to pull the trigger. One trigger pull for each shot fired. This is a technology that is more than 100 years old. An automatic weapon will fire all the rounds in an attached magazine with one trigger pull.

    In your second paragraph you state "Now some gun owners have automatic assault rifles .............." That should read "have semi-automatic rifles". If they were actually automatic rifles they could shoot 100 rounds in a manner of seconds.

    In the third paragraph you state that the members of Open Carry Texas were holding "automatic assault rifles". Given that the ownership of automatic rifles is highly regulated and bringing an automatic rifle to such an event could cause an owner to lose the ability to retain an automatic weapon, that 99%+ of assault weapons are semi-automatic, and given that there is no way to tell from a picture the difference between an automatic assault rifle and a semi-automatic assault rifle, you should refer to those as semi-automatic rifles, not automatic rifles.

    Two small edits would fix the problem.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:12:17 AM PST

    •  Long guns (4+ / 0-)
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      Shannon Watts talks

      Shannon Watts stated the OCT has been harassing MDA. The meeting was a membership drive announced on face book.

      I don't even think you can use the OCT photo shoot outside an abortion clinic in Texas.

      Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

      by 88kathy on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:22:47 AM PST

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    •  Got $6,000? (4+ / 0-)
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      Slide Fire, based in Moron*, Texas, has an offer for you.  Technically and legally not an automatic weapon, but the difference, as is often said, is minimal.


      * I know technically and legally it's Moran, but that's the way the chips fall.

      •  The distinction is very important, however, ... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...since automatic weapons and semi-automatic weapons are subject to different regulations.

        This makes it possible to do studies comparing the effects of those differing regulatory systems.

        How many people are shot by automatic weapons every year.

        How many are shot by semi-automatic weapons every year.

        Comparing such statistics could yield valuable information and insight regarding which set of regulations is more effective in promoting gun safety in our society.

    •  VClib, I stand corrected. (4+ / 0-)
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      You are also correct that I don't know the difference, probably because I have no use for guns. I've lived a long time on this earth and in some dangerous places but I have never needed a gun.

      I will correct my article and I appreciate you pointing out the difference.

      Rule the Day, Let not the Day Rule You.

      by fidlerten on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 10:38:01 AM PST

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    •  Can you tell by looking at a picture if it is semi (1+ / 0-)
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      semi-automatics do not have a full automatic mode without gunsmith-level modifications.
      Can you tell by looking at a photo if someone is a gun smith?

      Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

      by 88kathy on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 11:20:09 AM PST

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    •  There is essentially no difference (1+ / 0-)
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      Between a semi automatic assault rifle and a revolver, regarding rate of fire.  Each require 1 trigger pull to fire 1 bullet.  

      Automatic weapons (multiple bullets fired for each trigger pull) have been banned since the 1930's.  in order to obtain one the legal hoops to jump through are significant, including a full background check, voluminous paperwork, and a local LEO must approve it.  This is in addition to the cost of an automatic weapon, which averages about $20,000 per firearm.

      I don't want go point for point in dismantling this diary, there's just too much disinformation and quite frankly, the bias therein leads me to believe the diarist has chosen to be blissful.  

      I will say the following, civilian assault rifles we not "meant for war".  Those would be totally different platforms.

      The OP also states the word "need" when referring to firepower and capacity.  Since when is "need" a requirement in exercising one's rights?  Equating gun ownership with needs is unconstitutional.  Period.  And any gun owner that engages in that particular debate is already ceding their rights.  

      The most inappropriate comment, though, was from CwV.  He/she wrote that OCT members should be "tracked down, arrested, disarmed and banned from ever owning weapons again".  For what?  These members didn't break one single law.  Should I have been arrested for going down to lend my support during the first few days of occupy Wall Street?  It's the same exact thing.  It's just something you don't agree with.  So the answer is fascism?  Shut it down and lock them up?  Good grief.

      Personally speaking, I think these types of demonstrations by people like OCT members do more harm than good and I would never participate in something like that.  I am a law abiding citizen and gun owner and I take my responsibilities of having a carry permit, very seriously.  I guess what I am saying is there are more respectful ways of getting across a point of view.  There's little difference in tactics with groups like OCT and code pink.  And they only really appeal/attract the most extreme and fringe elements of our society.

      •  The difference is (2+ / 0-)
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        Code Pink uses their voices to protest, not loaded weapons that could lead to dangerous misuderstandings, or cause an "accident" that could kill someone, or multiple people, in the blink of an eye.

        As to "need": people speak of need because gun culture has gotten so out of control in the US.  Like nowhere else in the world, save lawless warlord zones like Somalia.  

        In my opinion, this is a culture war, not a constitutional one.  

        It's time to return to the old fashioned view that guns are tools, not toys.

        I blog about my daughter with autism at her website

        by coquiero on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 04:43:27 PM PST

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      •  This is a slander against Code Pimk. (0+ / 0-)
        There's little difference in tactics with groups like OCT and code pink.
        Code Pink is not a gang of armed gun bullies bent on terrorizing others.

        Why in the world would you make such an accusation against Code Pink?

      •  For terrorism. (0+ / 0-)
        The most inappropriate comment, though, was from CwV.  He/she wrote that OCT members should be "tracked down, arrested, disarmed and banned from ever owning weapons again".  For what?
        If you engage in acts of terrorism, you should lose your gun rites for life.
  •  Here's a photo of a future OCT event filmed from (2+ / 0-)
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    a different angle.

    BOOMETY boomety boom boom

    Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

    by 88kathy on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:13:01 AM PST

  •  re "they were just posing for a picture" (9+ / 0-)

    "I don't love writing, but I love having written" ~ Dorothy Parker // Visit my Handmade Gallery on Zibbet

    by jan4insight on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 09:14:42 AM PST

  •  How about Open Carry with swords or machetes? (3+ / 0-)
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    No doubt people would feel safer over time. Is a semi-automatic with a bayonnet less of a threat than an automatic with a bayonet. How  about Open Carry Hand Grenades?
    You'll notice that the Second Amendment says arms not guns.

    It's all about feeling safe.

  •  Gotta Hope... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...that the Second Amendment Crusaders at least had their safeties on.

    If you point a firearm at something you don't intend to blow a hole in, you're an idiot. If you do so with the safety off, you're also a jerk.

    Given that the, um, protestors in this instance reconvened... to a nearby Hooters after their photo op, guess it's a "given" which category they fall into...

    "Cause 5 in every 4 just don't amount to nothin' more, so watch the rats go 'cross the floor, and make up songs ' bout bein' poor." F Zappa

    by GearRatio on Thu Nov 14, 2013 at 11:27:11 AM PST

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