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Stores that will be open on Thanksgiving, like KMart and Walmart, have been quick to reassure the public that it's okay, workers love working on Thanksgiving because it means extra pay. No doubt when you work for poverty wages the rest of the year, the extra $50 or $75 we're talking about has some appeal. But you know what else might have some appeal? A paid holiday! In any case, who's open and who's closed on Thanksgiving?

In the open-on-Thanksgiving hall of shame: Walmart, KMart, Sears, Target, Old Navy, OfficeMax, Staples—which led to an online petition against the Thanksgiving opening asking "Do they honestly think people are going to be standing outside on Thanksgiving evening for bulk paper and pencils?"—Medieval Times, Toys "R" Us, Michaels, Macy's, J.C. Penney, Kohl's, Dollar General, Dick's Sporting Goods, Best Buy, and doubtless others.

Staying closed on Thanksgiving: Perennial big box boss hero Costco, Nordstrom, BJ's Wholesale Club, Home Depot, T.J. Maxx, Marshalls, Burlington Coat Factory, Apple, Radio Shack, American Girl, Patagonia, REI, Dillard's, Ross, and Menards.

Sadly, we don't know if all of these count as real good guys by making it a paid holiday. And Yahoo's Rick Newman argues that one big factor in stores' decisions is that most of the ones staying closed on Thanksgiving are doing well, while the ones opening that day are underperforming. Whatever the motivation, though, the fact is this: You don't fight the race to the bottom by heading out on a holiday to shop at stores like Walmart and KMart, and workers shouldn't have to rely on having an especially good boss to get to spend Thanksgiving with their families.

Originally posted to Daily Kos Labor on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 12:35 PM PST.

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  •  if we don't spend, the terrorists win (8+ / 0-)
    Sadly, we don't know if all of these count as real good guys by making it a paid holiday. And Yahoo's Rick Newman argues that one big factor in stores' decisions is that most of the ones staying closed on Thanksgiving are doing well, while the ones opening that day are underperforming. Whatever the motivation, though, the fact is this: You don't fight the race to the bottom by heading out on a holiday to shop at stores like Walmart and KMart, and workers shouldn't have to rely on having an especially good boss to get to spend Thanksgiving with their families.

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    by annieli on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 12:37:36 PM PST

  •  my local grocer (sudenside of chicago subs) (7+ / 0-)

    is open. They just spent a ton of money refurbishing the place (it really is gorgeous now), just as their corpserate bosses decided to close all of its stores. Dominicks was a venerated brand and treated its employees pretty decently. Their wages were better than minimum, and their employees responded in kind.

    The local store made a point of hiring handicapped, locals, and elderly. It is sad to see the place close at the end of the year.  But its parent company has other plans. Like selling the space to a grocer that only pays minimum wage.

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    by agnostic on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 12:44:42 PM PST

  •  What about fire and police departments? (3+ / 0-)
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    seems like they deserve a call-out in the "bad" category

    Not to mention hospitals, 7-11s, and airlines.

    Just saying, for those who hate Thanksgiving, making it a "business as usual" day is a step in the right direction.

    Kinda like the battles fought over the "Lord's Day" (aka "Sunday") decades ago.

    •  Oh, yeah, in my comment downthread, I did say (3+ / 0-)
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      I was missing some.

      Fire department, and airlines.  Pilots, flight attendants, TSA, they're all working, including "airport security."

    •  So tell us what happens (3+ / 0-)
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      When all those holidays that some people DON'T hate become mandatory workdays?

      •  Such as what? (0+ / 0-)

        Columbus Day, maybe?  Just saying, in the hometown of this site's Brave Leader, that particular holiday is held in such low esteem that it's been given a different name (Indigenous People's Day, or some such thing).

        And in that vein, there have been vehement anti-Thanksgiving diaries right here at DailyKos in the past, considering how the holiday in essence celebrates the demise of this continent's indigenous peoples . ..

    •  Your first two points have to be facetious. (1+ / 0-)
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      Otherwise you undercut your entire argument.

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      by Floyd Blue on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 01:11:20 PM PST

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    •  Well... (1+ / 0-)
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      I live in Las Vegas where many businesses are literally open 24/7/365.  People learn to make their own holiday time, and it really doesn't matter if it is the day before or after.  Just having family and friends makes the day.  But, people should be getting double time if it is necessary to work on a holiday.  My wife does.

    •  When Walmart becomes an essential service (5+ / 0-)

      like hospitals, police, fire, pharmacies, and gas stations, then I might consider patronizing them on Thanksgiving and Christmas.
      BTW, I am an RN, and very often work these holidays, but I am well compensated.

    •  Mission critical != cheap merchandise sales dept. (2+ / 0-)
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      I always like when people bring up mission critical, minus 7-11, jobs when comparing professions that have to work on holidays. You'll find that saving people's lives( Hospitals, Police) or giving people a means of transportation (Gas station attendants, Airlines) are far more greatly important than giving people a means of buying cheap gifts. Not only are these professions not equal in terms of importance but in salary too. So, in essence you are asking a person who's average income is 15,080 to perform on the same day as a Police officer (52,581) or a nurse (40,900) or even a stewardess (56,145) is most certainly ludicrous.

      •  How much do people get working (0+ / 0-)

        "providing transportation" aka working at the service station dispensing gasoline and lottery tickets? Not so much I'm thinking . . .

        But in any event, I'm sure that all the WalMart employees out there appreciate you dissing them by telling them their jobs aren't important.  I could be true, but is a job like an airline pilot, doing more than one's share in destroying the planet via carbon pollution important?  Could be, but not in a good way . . . .

    •  What about fire and police departments? (0+ / 0-)

      Can you say "Double time" or "Time and a half"? Plus, they work it out among themselves who works which holiday- trying to give guys with families the day off etc. Police and Fire departments are also essential services- and Walmart is far from essential, even on non-holidays.

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      by narrowback gal on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 10:07:49 AM PST

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      •  I should say "people" not guys... (0+ / 0-)

        I was thinking of the cops and firefighters I know who happen to be men, but of course, the same applies for women on the job.

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        by narrowback gal on Sat Nov 23, 2013 at 10:11:53 AM PST

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    •  There is a big difference! (0+ / 0-)

      Hospitals, fire and police, military, etc. MUST be open 24/7 in order to handle emergencies.  Family time and even religious observances have to yield to safety of life and property.  Example: circa 70 BCE, the Roman general Gnaeus Pompeius (Pompey) was besieging Jerusalem. he observed the peculiar custom of the Jews, of refraining from all kinds of work one day a week.  He attacked on the Sabbath and captured the city without a fight.

      The Jewish people learned from that, and more recently, in 1973, the surrounding Arab countries, led by Egypt, attacked Israel on the holiest day of the year, Yom Kippur.  Israel's defense forces were ready, fought back, and took some Arab land before the Arab countries surrendered.

      And we know that the most heinous sneak attack in the 20th century was launched on the Christian Sabbath late in 1941 by Japan against Pearl Harbor, bringing the U.S. into World War II.

      So we know that threats to peace and safety can occur on any day of the week or any holiday; military attack, disasters, sickness, crime, etc.  But the "emergency" of running out of a food product or decoration on a holiday is not an emergency; much less the desire to go shopping for gifts to give on the next holiday, with four or five weeks to finish the job.  So there is no reason for stores not to close on holidays (except pharmacies, for emergency prescription refills; and store management figures that since that one department needs to be open, the rest of the store might as well be also).

    •  Good for those who HATE Thanksgiving. (0+ / 0-)

      The problem is that most who are required to work -- don't.

  •  It looks like (12+ / 0-)

    COSTCO has 7 paid holidays and pays time and a half for Sundays.  

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    by gchaucer2 on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 12:46:21 PM PST

    •  Costco has consistent profits and growth (7+ / 0-)

      while being harshly criticized on Wall Street for paying a decent wage.  Of course those Wall Street analysts are properly compensated and not at all overpaid.....

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      by Nailbanger on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 01:02:13 PM PST

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      •  one reason it has consistent profits is (4+ / 0-)

        that it's well-run. Part of being well-run is having employees who are well-treated.
        When I go to my local (10 min away!) Costco, the employees are enthusiastic and almost buoyant. I've made mildly veiled political comments to some employees who have responded in exactly the same way (with a wink & a smile).
        Good quality items at a good price with employees who are treated well and treat me well lead to very loyal customers.

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        by Tamar on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 04:06:46 PM PST

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  •  Would these places really be open (1+ / 0-)
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    if there wasn't a demand for it? Just asking.

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    by jhecht on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 12:46:59 PM PST

    •  Creating the demand (5+ / 0-)
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      Gas stations are open because people are going places in their cars and might need gas. Stations don't create increased demand by offering 50% off gas on that one day, and then dragging in additional staff to meet the demand.

      I think it is better to close on a major holiday like Thanksgiving.

      If they're going to be open, they should pay a generous bonus--like double time or triple time--and ask for volunteers.

    •  I was working retail last fall (3+ / 0-)
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      in one of the regional book/video store chains. It was a part-time, seasonal gig.

      They announced that their stores, for the first time in the chain's history, would open on Thanksgiving afternoon at 3 p.m.  

      They cited 'customer demand'.  Really? If they'd never been open on Tgiving before, how did they know there was 'customer demand' for it? Were people calling them in the weeks before the holiday, demanding they open? Were would-be customers showing up on Tgiving day and banging on the locked, darkened doors, demanding entrance to spend money?

      Not likely.  It was all BS to try and make a few more dollars.

      I worked that 3-8p.m. shift that day and it was no more or less busy than any other Thursday evening.

      Boycott the stores that are open on Tgiving.

      When atlatls are outlawed, only outlaws will have atlatls.

      by wheeldog on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 02:15:30 PM PST

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  •  Staples? Bain nuf said. nt (2+ / 0-)
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    by JML9999 on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 12:50:04 PM PST

  •  I'm sorry, but I don't think it's awful that (10+ / 0-)

    some stores are opening on Thanksgiving... provided they compensate their employees well for working on a holiday.

    I can give you a whole list of other companies who never close on any holiday, and hospitals, ambulance services, police, NSA, CIA, FBI, military.

    Diners, restaurants, hotels, bars, convenience stores, gas stations, casinos, restaurants and bars in casinos are open every holiday.  I'm sure I'm leaving several places out of this list.

    Call me scrooge, if you want, but as long as the employees are compensated well for working on a holiday, I don't see a problem.

    And since this is a U.S. holiday, what about all the people living in the U.S. who do not observe this holiday at all?  Everything should be shut down?  

    One thing I would advocate for is asking for volunteers to fill out the schedule first.

  •  Scrooge lives (1+ / 0-)
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    Scrooge lives ...

    alive and well in a Wal-Mart Associate's Meeting, near you.

  •  I Agree That It Is Appalling... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...that these stores are going to be opening on Thanksgiving and depriving their workers -- the people who do the work necessary for the stores to be profitable -- of a day off on one of the biggest holidays of the year.

    At the same time movie theaters have long been open Thanksgiving Day and yet their workers have, at least to my knowledge, ever gotten the benefit of support from the general public.

    Sadly the culture's obsession with making money trumps the common decency of getting time off with family on a major holiday.  Where is the "family values" crowd on this?  Why no outrage from Sarah Palin and Bill O'Reilly about the "War on Thanksgiving?"

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    by RoIn on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 12:54:36 PM PST

    •  I thought Michael's was the store that closed (0+ / 0-)

      on Sundays so that their staff could spend the day worshiping with their families.  Might be Hobby Lobby, but they're very similar.  If Michael's is open on Thanksgiving, splitting up families on one of this country's biggest holidays, well, that's very much a war on families.

      •  According To Their Web Site... (1+ / 0-)
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        ...Hobby Lobby will be closed Thanksgiving.  Not sure about Michael's.

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        by RoIn on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 01:15:24 PM PST

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  •  I simply do not think it is okay for (3+ / 0-)
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    people to go shopping on these holidays.

    The economy will be fine. You will spend the money on other days. Trust me on this.

    This better be good. Because it is not going away.

    by DerAmi on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 12:56:47 PM PST

  •  Macy`s for crying out loud! (1+ / 0-)
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    First time in their history. What`s the point of the parade if the workers have to punch in right afterward here in NYC? Shame Shame Shame!

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    by Tribecastan on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 12:59:22 PM PST

  •  PC Richards gets it! Even if it is good PR for (7+ / 0-)

    them, they are doing it right.

    They are running ads that say they want to SAVE THANKSGIVING.  They are literally putting down other retailers who are open on Tg, as uncaring of families and workers, etc.

    They have taken out print ads to this effect, and are running TV spots in nyc area that say, "have a good thanksgiving and we'll see you on friday."  <<<<(i love that simple line).

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    by Floyd Blue on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 12:59:49 PM PST

  •  I hate Walmart for many reasons... (4+ / 0-)

    ....but I can't really get worked up over this.

    I've worked tons of holidays.

    And, I've had other jobs that were so demanding that holidays were the only times I was able to do my regular errands, and I was glad some stores were open to help me.

  •  Blame Shoppers, too (4+ / 0-)

    Supply and demand.  If nobody shopped, it would be stupid to staff.  Every last person who stampedes through those doors deserves just as much blame as the executives who opened them.

    Faith Manages. -- J.M. Straczynski

    by Master Alchemi on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 01:01:22 PM PST

  •  I know one of the founders of Costco (7+ / 0-)

    And he told me a while ago that he couldn't live with himself if the following weren't true:

    1. All employees paid a living wage.
    2. Full benefits.
    3. They had Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's Day off.

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    by skywaker9 on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 01:01:34 PM PST

  •  No shopping on Black Friday either! (10+ / 0-)

    Refuse to join the Gimme-Gimme Stampede for more useless crap.  Stay home.  Go for a walk. Rake some leaves. Call a friend.  Bake a pie.  Watch some football.  Write a letter.

    Just stay away from the mall, the outlets, the retail chains.  

    If you must go out, find a mom and pop diner, eat their home cooking and leave a big tip.  

    How's that for unsolicited advice?  

    It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

    by Radiowalla on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 01:02:09 PM PST

  •  Btw Nordstrom, REI and Costco (5+ / 0-)

    Are all Pacific NW based companies FWIW.

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    by skywaker9 on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 01:02:24 PM PST

  •  Spend at GOOD stores (6+ / 0-)

    I just spent a bunch of money at REI and Costco on things that I could buy at the "bad" stores.  I need to follow up with both REI and Costco on why I spent with them.

    Boycott bad stores, support good ones.

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    by ksuwildkat on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 01:04:08 PM PST

  •  Medieval Times is a restaurant (4+ / 0-)
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    Don't get me wrong, it sucks to be open on a day like that but  that's the kind if place you figure makes sense to be open that day.

    Retail stores should be closed though, absolutely. I don't have a problem with restaurants, grocery stores or gas stations being open though. Ideally everyone is being paid handsomely for their time, obviously.

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    by samfish on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 01:05:03 PM PST

  •  concessions and stadium staff (5+ / 0-)

    at football games?  

    i mean, you need football to keep families from having to talk to each other, so that goes in the police and fire category.  

    Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

    by Loge on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 01:16:39 PM PST

  •  The people who should be (0+ / 0-)

    working on holidays should be limited to management including every board member. All wage slaves including part timers should get the day off with pay.

  •  Those stores opening on thanksgiving day (0+ / 0-)

    Should be embarrassed, but of cause they are not. Truly disgraceful--how much money is enough. Wish consumers would just boycott going to these places, but the consumers that show up cause things like these to happen.  

  •  To be honest (2+ / 0-)
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    This is about the people who, for some unknown reason, want to line up outside of a store at 6 PM on Thanksgiving because they want to start doing their Christmas shopping.

    If not for them, there would be no reason to open the store on Thanksgiving.

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    by TDDVandy on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 01:22:21 PM PST

  •  Lowe's... (0+ / 0-)

    Is closed for Thanksgiving.  If you are going to mention Home Depot - it is fair to mention their main competitor.

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    by RichM on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 01:27:56 PM PST

  •  Ah.... HomeDepot. Bush had some "plan," (0+ / 0-)

    whatever you call it, where the federal government gave money to HomeDepot in order to train workers on the taxpayer's dime.  

  •  Seriously, what's the big deal? (0+ / 0-)

    How is any one holiday any more sacrosanct than another in terms of whether a store is open or not?

    People have worked on Thanksgiving and Christmas forever, it's not new. In general, we all figure out how to survive.  I'm more worried about the important issues, like paying a true living wage to workers, compensating them with decent benefits, leave and advancement opportunities.

    Anyway, I'm for less mandatory popular adherence to traditional holidays than for more of it. It's not the frigging 1950's anymore. And if there's a way to make Christmas less of a total corporately hacked holiday by giving up the importance of the whole stupid "Black Friday" tradition of binge-shopping, I'm all for it.

  •  Alas, Black Friday is dying rapidly... (1+ / 0-)
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    There were always a few stores open on Thanksgiving, mainly grocery, with limited hours, so you could pick up that forgotten something on the way to see the family.

    There are some industries that work Thanksgiving, can't be helped.  Having worked in some of those industries, we tried to be considerate of each other and arrange holiday schedules so that we could spend the most meaningful time with our families.

    A fair amount of that time was spent over the Thursday paper, planing out the next morning activities for the "specials".

    That won't happen any more.

    The excitement of mapping out the activities to try to get the bargains has been replaced with "door buster specials" of a few high ticket items at a loss leader price.  The items are so few that unless you are one of the first people in line, stay in bed.  Wait a few days until the retailers panic and re-discount a boatload of stuff, not just the loss leaders.  

    It will still be busy black Friday, and some on Thanksgiving.  But Thanksgiving is quickly becoming just another shopping day where some people are lucky enough to get it off.  Black Friday will become more of just another (yawn) shopping day.  Where's the Profit in that?

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    by NevDem on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 01:58:09 PM PST

  •  Pretty selective complaints here... (0+ / 0-)

    I mean, there are millions of people working on Thanksgiving, in everything from professional football to retail to local gas stations, restaurants and convenience stores.  

    Picking out these large examples seems like taking the easy shot - who doesn't want another reason to bash Wal-Mart? - but it doesn't hold up across the board.

    Medieval Times?  Really?  There are MILLIONS of Americans who want to eat out on Thanksgiving - and you're going to blast a theme restaurant for being open?

    It's also easy for a specialty store like Home Depot to close on Thanksgiving, because as their spokesman told USA Today, "this isn't our make-or-break season like it is for many retailers."  Yeah, there isn't a 'holiday spike' for hardware stores as there is for other retailers.

    I'll pay more attention when you post an article including the NFL, event organizers (hey, you think Macy's does that parade by themselves?), gas stations and the like.

    The notion that the retail industry alone deserves this negative attention doesn't do much for me.

    The word "parent" is supposed to be a VERB, people...

    by wesmorgan1 on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 02:10:39 PM PST

  •  We don't speak for every worker. (0+ / 0-)

    Some shops are open, some are closed. Some workers celebrate the holiday, others don't. Some really want to go to work, or need to. It's not up to us,

  •  When I worked for whole foods (0+ / 0-)

    My supervisor actually volunteered to do the Thanksgiving shift since she had no plans and I was cooking (we invited her to our meal).  They chose me instead since it would cost them less.  After they worked me to the bone during the holidays they laid me off.

    The place I work now genuinely does take volunteers for Thanksgiving.

  •  I stopped shopping at Walmart (0+ / 0-)

    when I worked for an AFL-CIO labor council (and Walmart being vehemently anti-union).

    Now, I don't even like seeing their stupid ads on TV. I won't ever go into a Walmart again (and I try to convince people not to patronize Walmart).

    Plus, if a store or something is going to be open for the public during the year, it should not assume that everyone in the US is a Christian and celebrates Thanksgiving or Christmas as a religious holiday (same with Sunday). Either proclaim yourself a "Christian organization" ala Chick-fil-A so I can stop doing business with you, or be open for people who aren't religious.

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    by woolibaar on Fri Nov 22, 2013 at 03:42:12 PM PST

  •  All this crass commercialism (2+ / 0-)
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    just to start the season of honoring the Birthday of the man who suggested that we do without personal possessions.

    Welcome to the apex of modern living.

  •  Seriously? (1+ / 0-)
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    My wife is having to work at Beall's, (a smallish Florida regional department store chain that mostly caters to senior citizens) from 8PM on Thanksgiving night until 5AM the next morning.  

    All so people can get their Skechers shoes at half off?

    I'm not sure why some of these smaller retailers do this.  It seems like they are trying to get a boost in short-term sales but if their business isn't that great to begin with keeping the stores open all of these excessive hours and having workers come in just wastes money that could be better spent elsewhere.

    (In case you're wondering, they tried the overnight thing a couple of years ago, staying open from 7am on "Black Friday" until 7am the following Sunday and workers on the overnight shifts said the store was dead once the "door buster" sales were over each day, so workers were basically just standing around in the empty stores all night with very few customers to wait on).

  •  I work at one of the desperate, underperforming (1+ / 0-)
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    ...stores (can't say which one). No way are we excited to work on Thanksgiving. The pay is low--of course. The hours are killer. But the worst part is that the are not our usual, kind friends, but the surly ones who are there to grab the "barn burner" specials at the ridiculously low sales price only to "discover" (since they can never remember last year) that the store only has three for the mob of fifty or so. We deliberately build in that scarcity! Last year I arrived at 3am for a 5am opening and had to fight my way through the angry mob who complained bitterly and threatened me with injury because I was jumping the line, my uniform and name badge notwithstanding. It was not fun. Even with holiday pay--which, BTW, is about what minimum should be anyway--it was not any bed of roses helping these people.

  •  I didn't know (0+ / 0-)

    that Walmart was struggling.

    "And Yahoo's Rick Newman argues that one big factor in stores' decisions is that most of the ones staying closed on Thanksgiving are doing well, while the ones opening that day are underperforming."
  •  Which Stores are Open on Thanksgiving (0+ / 0-)

    Hey Kos,

    You omitted "Rite Aid" which is also making its workers work on Thanksgiving Day, too.  Please, add this company to your petition list ASAP.  Thank you.

    Portland, Maine

  •  Remember call center workers! (0+ / 0-)

    Thanks to 24/7 support, many of the remaining tech support and customer care workers in this country will have to work Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's Eve.

    We are open 24/7. Why not make that customer care call or tech support call before the holiday or wait until the day after the holiday? We have families we would like to be with, too!

  •  Stop & Shop In Windsor, CT (0+ / 0-)

    Opened from 9AM to 1PM

    Costco in Enfield, CT - closed all day

    Hey Frank Luntz - What Should I Say To Make Myself Sound Like A Brainless Parrot?

    by hopalong on Mon Nov 25, 2013 at 03:11:03 PM PST

  •  One only thing WORSE!!! (0+ / 0-)

    As bad as these places are for staying open on the holidays, the people shopping there on the holidays are worse. It would be SOOOOOO easy to stop this madness if people would just set aside their greed and boycott ALL stores on the holidays.

    We COULD make America a better place to live by doing this one little thing but instead we have people being trampled to death just to save a few dollars. If you shop on the holidays, YOU are a huge part of the problem.

  •  In my opinion (0+ / 0-)

    It's not just about workers being paid decently that day, or being economically coerced into working. It's the cultural degradation that comes from not respecting a national day of thanks. Are we a country and a people where a good buy is more important than a yearly day of family, food, and giving thanks?

    I understand why some middle eastern countries get upset at Western culture creeping in. Look at us. We're pretty gross.

    "We need institutions and cultural norms that make us better than we tend to be. It seems to me that the greatest challenge we now face is to build them." -Sam Harris, neuroscientist

    by MarthaPeregrine on Wed Nov 27, 2013 at 10:25:42 AM PST

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