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I am sick and tired of the stories about kids playing with unsecured guns and blowing someone away. Too many stupid and irresponsible people own guns in this country.

The following is no way to celebrate Thanksgiving:

My youngest son needed to have his diaper changed and grandma’s back bedroom with stain glassed windows seemed like a calm space to do the dirty business. Little did I ever think that the worst possible danger was beneath grandma’s bed. I laid my son down on the floor beside the bed, the calmest place in the house, and prayed he wouldn’t squ0irm the dirty business around. While turning to grab the diaper bag, my baby boy reached under the bed and grabbed a loaded handgun that was not equipped with a safety lock.

The above post goes on to say:

This Thanksgiving make sure you and your family are safe from gun accidents. Ask if there are guns in the home you are visiting and make sure they are stored safely. Use this time to think and talk about what is important to you and your family and ask others to join the movement for sensible gun control measures.
She adds a postscript about legislation for sensible and responsible gun ownership but this F*ing nation is in such a frenzied hysteria over Second Amendment rights that such things are not going to be possible until this nation grows up.

Originally posted to Karen Hedwig Backman on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 10:14 AM PST.

Also republished by Repeal or Amend the Second Amendment (RASA).

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  •  Maturity, wisdom, whatever, I wish I was able (9+ / 0-)

    to look at current events and feel even a little bit optimistic. The number of self absorbed people actually seems to be increasing in my neck of the woods.

    There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

    by oldpotsmuggler on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 10:29:06 AM PST

  •  While you are at it slow down driving and stop (10+ / 0-)

    tailgating. Don't talk on your cell phone, even if you don't have kids by talking and driving you are endangering mine.

    Lock up prescription drugs. The one form of accidental death for children that is climbing. Kids do drugs and they don't do them responsibly.

    Check to see if there is a built in pool with water in it that some kid could drown in.

    Be careful with fires.

    Accidents are the leading cause of death for people 1-44.

    Despite the scare mongering I often read here fire arm accidents don't even make the top ten except for the 10 to 14 year age group. I sure wish we had classes on gun safety for kids that were required in school.

    http://www.cdc.gov/...

    Join me in attempting to make the world a safer place for our kids.

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 10:38:38 AM PST

    •  I sure wish guns in the house were as rare as (9+ / 0-)

      swimming pools. I can attest to the dangers of mixing swimming pools and toddlers, but most of us visiting a friends house are pretty aware of the pool in the back, and for most of America the pool will not be a source of danger at the end of December.

      Some of the other examples you provide don't pertain to young children. They don't text, or drive, and prescription drugs are usually in a bathroom cabinet out of reach. Guns may be under the bed, in a closet or in an accessible drawer and for way too many gun owners, not secured with a trigger lock.

      Since it would typically be impolite to ask your host where the weapons are in the house, I think the diarist is right to call out this particular source of danger over the holidays, and simply ask for some awareness and common sense on the part of a gun-owning host.

      •  I'm positive you didn't follow the link (3+ / 0-)

        If you had you'd know that drowning is the leading cause of death in kids 1 to 4, accidental death that is. Number two is cars. The pool might not be a danger, but the iced over pond certainly is, much more so than some gun up on a rack.

        Fires #3, Suffocation #4, as a pedestrian #5 (Make sure kids don't play in the street) environment like too cold #6, so basically kids have a much greater chance of freezing to death than they do grabbing an errant gun out from under the bed.

        Kids don't text and drive, they get killed by people that do.

        It's not impolite at all to ask someone if they've got all their firearms up where kids can't get them. People without kids often have no idea.

        “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

        by ban nock on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 01:43:19 PM PST

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        •  I am certain the diarist does not want to ban your (3+ / 0-)
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          gun.

          And yes. Although it's statistically only a couple of kids, you are coming around. But why aren't the gun owners doing this kind of reminding within their group?

          It's not impolite at all to ask someone if they've got all their firearms up where kids can't get them. People without kids often have no idea.

          Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

          by 88kathy on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 02:39:28 PM PST

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          •  Where do you get they don't? another fantasy? (3+ / 0-)

            because every damn gun owner I know...and that's basically everyone I know, either keeps their guns locked up, out of reach or in a safe.....heck I haven't had a kid in my house in years and I just upgraded to a better safe....

            No matter what you attempt to attribute to gun owners, it seems to be false at it's core...

            If your cause is so good and just, why the need to falsify to gain converts?

            Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
            I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
            Emiliano Zapata

            by buddabelly on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 03:13:26 PM PST

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            •  The commentor above said it was not impolite (1+ / 0-)
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              to ask if guns are secure. Why don't gun owners remind each other to be safe during the holidays. The diarist was asking if the guns were secure. Due to visitation of friends and family many in that 10-14 age group that statistically ends up dead when guns are present.

              Is there a RKBA diary going around that I missed?

              Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

              by 88kathy on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 03:22:10 PM PST

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              •  again, where do you get that we don't? because we (3+ / 0-)

                don't post a diary on dkos about it?

                First off, your kids shouldn't be playing at someone's house who you don't know well ...I knew who my kids played with and knew their parents....If the need was there the suggestions or questions were made or asked....I have yet to have a parent not allow their child at my home due to anything let alone my firearms....

                Why would you make a position out of whole cloth then attribute it to gun owners?

                it's horrible when a kid dies in any way.  It sucks, but you sure seem to choose a low volume killer as the answer.......Teach gun safety in school, twice, once very young and once when they are old enough to get it.

                Show them that a gunshot isn't like in COD4, you don't lose hit points or whatever, you lose life.....this needs to be taught imo.....

                There's a casual disrespect for human life and wellbeing infecting society and it isn't because of guns, they were much higher per capita earlier yet the thought of dragging one out, or a knife, at a party or school was just not done....it wasn't even considered an option, disputes were solved with fang and claw, not knife and gun.....

                Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
                I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
                Emiliano Zapata

                by buddabelly on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 04:01:14 PM PST

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            •  PS the Mangled Mess Dying Slowly appears every (1+ / 0-)
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              year and the car owners don't have a conniption fit in fact it is the reason I know it is the holidays.

              Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

              by 88kathy on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 03:38:50 PM PST

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    •  CDC Will Now Be Free To Research Gun Violence (0+ / 0-)

      First Time in 17 Years

      In short, the president has effectively lifted what has been a virtual 17-year ban on basic research into the public health effects of gun violence. (signed 11 months ago and probably blocked by the NRA/GOP)
      NRA has skewed the numbers for 17 years, so naturally you want to talk statistics.

      And as far as your sick statement

      fire arm accidents don't even make the top ten except for the 10 to 14 year age group.
      Maybe the diarist was asking people to think they might be having 10 to 14 year age group kids in their home over the holidays. Maybe they need to be reminded that what is good sometimes may not be good all the time. Statistically not that big of a deal, only a couple of 10-14 year olds, wouldn't interest anybody outside a small circle of friends. Party on.

      Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

      by 88kathy on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 02:36:41 PM PST

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      •  They were free to research all they wanted....they (4+ / 0-)

        just couldn't lobby for anti gun legislation with tax dollars...2 very different things as you well know...and I know you know this as I've seen it pointed out to you before....

        So again I ask, why the need to obfuscate the reality to gain converts?

        Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
        I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
        Emiliano Zapata

        by buddabelly on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 03:15:32 PM PST

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        •  fear is the mindkiller (2+ / 0-)

          you know, it makes people hold onto some strange ideas in face of all proof otherwise.

          "If you don't know where you are going, any road will get you there." Lewis Carroll

          by Wordsinthewind on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 03:29:47 PM PST

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        •  So I guess nobody pointed it out to President (1+ / 0-)
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          Obama who signed a useless executive action freeing them up to find out things like of all the people killed by guns how many were killed at a Thanksgiving party.

          So he signed an executive action called "Issue a Presidential Memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence" because that is what they were doing all along.

          Or did President Obama free them up for anti gun legislation lobbying. That would be interesting.

          You guys must have gotten in trouble for calling me a liar. Don't wear out your Thesaurus. OK.

          Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

          by 88kathy on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 03:30:49 PM PST

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      •  God Kathy, it's the rules. Unless and until every (3+ / 0-)
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        other conceivable problem is remedied, guns are simply off limits. Guns and gun owners are special, and massive numbers of gun deaths happen in every society, even in the ones bright enough to enact the same controls that we obviously need.

        Or something like that.

        There can be no protection locally if we're content to ignore the fact that there are no controls globally.

        by oldpotsmuggler on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 04:28:27 PM PST

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  •  All the pushback one gets (4+ / 0-)

    By asking people to secure their guns from children.  Hard to understand, but inevitable, I guess, considering the subject.  Thanks for the diary.

    "Goodnight, thank you, and may your God go with you"

    by TheFern on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 03:45:58 PM PST

    •  there is zero pushback on that point, the (4+ / 0-)

      only pushback is at one particularly misleading commenter, not the diarist...

      I practice safe gun storage and preach it myself...

      I don't appreciate people who have proven their agenda and animosity many times, spreading untruths about my fellow citizens, many even here as DK members.....

      Vaya con Dios Don Alejo
      I want to die a slave to principles. Not to men.
      Emiliano Zapata

      by buddabelly on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 04:06:24 PM PST

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  •  My family is having Thanksgiving dinner at my (1+ / 0-)
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    WakeUpNeo

    niece and nephew's house this year.  They got married earlier this year, and just moved into their home in October.

    They are both NYPD.  My nephew spoke this summer about the safe room they wish to install, but that certainly is in the offing.  I know they are both responsible with their firearms, but having a big crowd there with drinking going on made the thought of those guns in the house pop into my head the other day.

    I do plan to confirm that they are safely secured, even though I certainly expect that to be the case.

    "Don't Bet Against Us" - President Barack Obama

    by MRA NY on Sun Nov 24, 2013 at 05:18:20 PM PST

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