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There was a diary on it last week - http://www.dailykos.com/...

The patrons apparently showed NBC New York proof that they left a 18$ tip - http://www.nbcnewyork.com/...

But a family contacted NBC 4 New York claiming their receipt from the restaurant shows they did leave a tip, and provided what they said was a credit card statement as proof.

The husband and wife, who asked to remain anonymous, showed NBC 4 New York a receipt that appeared to be printed at the same minute, on the same date, for the same $93.55 total, except with an $18 tip.

They also provided a document they said was a Visa bill, which appears to indicate their card was charged for the meal plus the tip, for a total of $111.55.

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  •  They also say they didn't write any note. (8+ / 0-)
    The couple told NBC 4 New York that they believed their receipt was used for a hoax. The wife says she is left-handed and could not have made the slash in the tip line, which she said looks to be drawn from the right.

    "We've never not left a tip when someone gave good service, and we would never leave a note like that," the wife said.

    The husband said he and his wife have both worked in restaurants and believe in the value of tipping, and noted that he didn't vote for Gov. Chris Christie because the governor doesn't support gay marriage.

    "Never would a message like that come from us," he said.

  •  Yeah, I heard about this yesterday. (10+ / 0-)

    Shit. It sucks when someone on the right side of things does something like this that works against everything we fight for. In this era, sometimes the desire for fame is so great that people are willing to even make stuff up just to get interviewed on TV. It's infuriating.

  •  Follows hot on the heels of a lawsuit (6+ / 0-)

    by the guy that was alleged to have written a racial slur on the tip line at Red Lobster.

  •  They also say they made the "Dan" comment (5+ / 0-)
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    in jest because the hostess told them their server would be "Dan."

    The restaurant later said in a statement it was aware of the allegations and had no comment pending an internal investigation.

    Whatever happened, the couple believes it may have begun with a misunderstanding.

    They said they thought the hostess who sat the family told them their server would be "Dan," and when Morales showed up at their table, the wife exclaimed "whoa, you're not Dan."

    Morales wrote in her Facebook post that the wife said, "oh I thought you were gonna say your name is Dan. You sure surprised us!"

  •  Just goes to show the virtue of patience (4+ / 0-)

    In letting stories like this run their course before hitching one's wagon to either side.

    It will be interesting to see if anyone eventually gets to truth in this story.

    •  Um, the family has shown incontrovertible (8+ / 0-)

      evidence of the truth. They paid her with an $18 tip, and have both the original receipt and credit card bill to prove it. The only thing we don't know is whether or not the waitress had accomplices. There is no great mystery here.

      •  Maybe (3+ / 0-)

        I didn't see an image of the credit card statement in the story.

        And the fact that the restaurant manager backs up Ms. Morales is interesting, too.

        The point is that there are all kinds of problems with jumping to conclusions based on news snippets.  Reporters get things wrong.  People involved in the story may be lying.  There could be other explanations that aren't explored because everyone has made up their minds, etc.

        I just find it interesting that some people are so quick to get out the proverbial rope to string up Ms. Morales, even if it doesn't look particularly good for her.  If it turns out that she was lying - and maybe they will get to the bottom of it -  there will be plenty of time to contemplate the consequences of her story.

  •  Certainly the credit card bill would prove it: (6+ / 0-)
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    The date and place and amount are indicated.  

    If you have a policy that covers doctor's bills made necessary by a werewolf bite, and has the words "Health Insurance" on the cover, you can keep that policy!

    by Inland on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 09:04:17 AM PST

  •  I just watched the video of the newswoman (6+ / 0-)

    confronting Dayna and asking her to explain this. She basically started stuttering "hub-ada-hub-ada", shrugged her shoulders, and said she couldn't explain this. IMO she's very clearly lying. For a gay person to take advantage of homophobia by making up a story like this is beyond despicable, really.

  •  I am not convinced (7+ / 0-)

    It could be a hoax but it would be easier for the customers to fake the receipt than Dayna Morales.


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    Notice that the signature does not appear on the customer's copy, so it is not a carbon copy. The customers could easily write in those amounts after the fact, but how does ex-Marine Morales get a blank copy of the merchant receipt with the exact some dates and other info to fill in?

    There is the credit card statement with the 111.55 amount, but the manager of the restaurant says they had the original receipt that backs up Morales claim.

    “We can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities.” - Winston Chuchill

    by se portland on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 09:06:32 AM PST

    •  Except that the restaurant does NOT (4+ / 0-)
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      have the original receipt, and the family does. The restaurant said that they have the receipt but cannot or will not produce it. If they won't produce it, they are lying. Did you listen to the family? They're totally credible and have the Visa bill to prove it for god's sake!

      •  But how does Morales get the blank (3+ / 0-)
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        receipt with a signature on it?

        Is that the customer's signature? Is it a forgery? If it is not, how does Morales get that receipt?

        “We can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities.” - Winston Chuchill

        by se portland on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 09:20:05 AM PST

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        •  The customers said themselves that (9+ / 0-)

          it is not their signature or their handwriting. This is not the crime of the century folks. She took a blank receipt left after the people signed the real one and wrote that shit herself (or someone else did). And she ran the real one through the machine (we know this since the Visa bill had the larger amount on it). Did you see the waitress's reaction when she was confronted with the evidence? Did she seem credible to you at the point, with her shrugs and evasiveness?

          Give. It. Up.

          •  You can't get a blank receipt. (2+ / 0-)
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            Sorry, then the till is off by $98.55.

            She'd be immediately fired.

            Give it up, Doc.

            They're bandying about an unsigned CUSTOMER COPY as proof, while the waitress has a signed copy.  In any event, the restaurant has a log of the charges they made that night, so this will all come out in the end.

          •  You are probably right but the wife said (0+ / 0-)

            she is left-handed and could not have made the slash in the tip line. I missed her talking about the signature.

            The credit card statement is a computer print out. It is possible to fake even with Word.

            “We can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities.” - Winston Chuchill

            by se portland on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 09:29:44 AM PST

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            •  There is no motive to fake a Visa bill. (4+ / 0-)
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              Remember, the family was not identified. They say that they are liberals, and that this is a hoax and they are simply coming forward to show that. They have zero motive to lie, and much downside (as the restaurant can easily disprove their numbers by simply producing the actual transaction record). The restaurant has refused to provide such a record to the media, by the way. They said though that they are starting "an internal investigation". It is amazing to me how some here want to hold onto this story even in the face of such proof to the contrary (not to mention the impish shrugging of the shoulders reaction by the waitress to these discrepancies). She and the restaurant have NO coherent story, and the family's story makes perfect sense.

              •  Sure there is! (2+ / 0-)
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                This is embarrassing for them, and if they can convince everyone the mean lesbian is lying, that they're "good libruls and how dare the GAY LOBBY! take up this obvious lie!", they do exactly what they're doing here--drive a wedge between straight, somewhat homophobic liberals and queers.

                •  They weren't identified. (5+ / 0-)
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                  So it was NOT embarrassing to them. They were anonymous. If what happened to them happened to me, I would do just what they are doing - I'd come forward to tell the truth. What you are alleging - that they forged a Visa bill and went on TV with the forged bill - makes zero sense. It's kind of warped actually that you'd believe such a thing instead of the simplest explanation, especially when both the restaurant and the waitress are now acting like prototypical guilty parties.

                  This won't be a debate for long, the truth is now coming out. You might want to temper your defense of this perpetrator of a hoax, since you yourself have no real knowledge of the situation and zero reason to allege that this family is forging documents. Why are you not skeptical in the least when the restaurant said "no" when asked if they would show their actual charge to the newswoman? Are you so biased here that you can't even admit it when some part of the story makes no sense?

              •  Redstate has a diary up right now (3+ / 0-)

                The motivation is to embarrass the Left discredit the gay and lesbian community and prove that 'Christians' are not homophobic bigots.

                “We can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities.” - Winston Chuchill

                by se portland on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 09:42:47 AM PST

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                •  Smear the Queer (2+ / 0-)
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                  It's an old tradition in America, and it can be played by both the left and the right.

                  •  Seize your 15 minutes of fame (and profit) (6+ / 0-)
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                    It's a new tradition in social-media America, and gays (or ex-Marines) are not incapable of greed or dishonesty.

                  •  So Morales is not subject to the same scrutiny (6+ / 0-)

                    ...merely because she is gay? If she is running a con here, she deserves to have that known. The fact she is LGBT shouldn't play a part in whether or not her claim is considered to the same degree that any person making such a claim would be.

                    Her claim is not holding up and when questioned about it, she looked exceedingly guilty.

                    At the end of the day, it seems that one person ran a con here, that does not say anything about all LGBT people and we shouldn't shy away from acknowledging this scam.

                    You see things; and you say “Why?” But I dream things that never were; and I say “Why not?” --George Bernard Shaw, JFK, RFK

                    by CenPhx on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 10:22:07 AM PST

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                •  Perhaps (3+ / 0-)
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                  But if that's the case you should be demanding that the restaurant produce their documentation regarding the amount of that specific transaction.

                  Otherwise it's not the homophobes who are damaging the credibility of anyone in the LGBT community who suffers discrimination in the future - it's Morales.

                  •  Homophobes will use this against (3+ / 0-)
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                    gay claims in the future. But they hate gays, so what else is new? All that Dayna Morales proved here is that gay people are just like the rest of us. There are good ones and bad ones, honest ones and liars. You don't have to be a homophobe to understand that some gay people are dirtbags. Some people on the right think that all gay people are bad, and some on the left (based on comments here) think likewise that it is impossible for even one gay person to be bad. Both of those groups have untenable positions.

                •  That's basically CT. (2+ / 0-)
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                  Think of what you are saying. This homophobic family goes out for dinner and leaves this terrible note (and no tip). Then they wait for the story to go viral. Then they produce a forged Visa statement to make the viral story look like a hoax. Somehow as part of this conspiracy of course they need to make sure that they actual funds remitted by Visa to the restaurant are the larger amount, or their whole story will unravel (lucky for them, the restaurant cannot produce such a record).

                  This is a pretty complex and wild CT you've got there. You sure you want to go with this as your explanation of the events that have transpired? And really, a Red State diary informs you? If they weren't running one homophobic diary, they'd be running another. Let's not let their issues cloud our judgment.

            •  My husband's left-handed, too. (2+ / 0-)
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              So's my dad.

              They write left-to-right, just like the rest of us.

              That's just pure horseshit.

              •  No it is not. (0+ / 0-)

                I've worked with document examiners. I certainly can't tell you anything from one line on one document and I don't think any of them could either, but given enough examples, they certainly claim to be able to tell the difference in people's handwritings, including right-handed or left-handedness and they are allowed to testify to such in court.

                You see things; and you say “Why?” But I dream things that never were; and I say “Why not?” --George Bernard Shaw, JFK, RFK

                by CenPhx on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 10:23:42 AM PST

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        •  reprint. (0+ / 0-)

          or the customer copy.

      •  Uh, no... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...the MERCHANT COPY is the "original receipt".  The CUSTOMER COPY is not any kind of official receipt.

        Moreover, it's extremely unlikely that someone is going to have their Visa bill that shows a charge made 13 days ago, since the bills have a 21-45 day lag time.

        They're lying.  Sorry.

        •  They printed the Visa bill from their (6+ / 0-)

          online statement. I have a Visa card, and charges usually show up within 48 hours. And why in the world would the family go to the trouble of lying about this? Their names were never made public, so they could have ignored this whole thing. What exactly is so hard to believe about a family leaving an $18 tip that makes you insist that the other story - that they are homophobes who left nothing - is so much more credible? And did you not see the reaction of Dayna when confronted over this? My god.

          •  The charges might appear... (0+ / 0-)

            ...but the bill usually doesn't cut.

            If they were so honorable, they would come forth with who they are rather than maintaining their anonymity.

            The fact is they forged the CUSTOMER COPY and probably forged the Visa statement (easily done, by the way).

            There are homophobes out there--even left-wing ones, even on the DailyKos!--who do this kind of thing.  Every queer has been on the receiving end of it at one point or another.

          •  As I said in a previous statement, (1+ / 0-)
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            the "merchant copy" has to be signed off and stays with the merchant.  The "customer copy," can or cannot be filled in and goes with the customer.  I never fill in my "customer copy" receipts, but I do fold them up and stick them in my pocket.  Could they have filled it in at a later date to save face?

            The GOP will destroy anything they can't own.

            by AnnieR on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 09:51:24 AM PST

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            •  They. Were. Never. Identified. (6+ / 0-)

              How many times must I repeat that? There was no need to save face, since their names were blacked out from the beginning. They had no motive to come forward, other than the one they identify, which is to correct a wrong.

              •  What is Redstate's motive for their diary? (1+ / 0-)
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                False dilemma. "They had no motive to come forward, other than the one they identify, which is to correct a wrong." Clearly Redstate had a motive other than 'correcting a wrong.' In part their motive seems to be 'a living wage is going to ruin the country.' What was that quote from Caddyshack? Oh hey, "You'll get nothing and you will like it!"

                There are lots of different motivations. Why wait two weeks before coming forward?

                “We can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities.” - Winston Chuchill

                by se portland on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 10:16:10 AM PST

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              •  They give a motive in the news story (6+ / 0-)
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                They say they want the people donating to Morales to know that she is scamming them. Part of the money she is making off of this story she is apparently giving to a charity, but at least part of it she is keeping for herself.

                She is running a con. That is a good reason for the couple to come forward to tell the truth.

                You see things; and you say “Why?” But I dream things that never were; and I say “Why not?” --George Bernard Shaw, JFK, RFK

                by CenPhx on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 10:26:47 AM PST

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    •  But if the customer faked it (3+ / 0-)
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      Why in the world would they appear on TV with their identities hidden, produce a valid credit card statement, yet firmly express their support for gay rights--even to the point of attacking Chris Christie for not doing so?

      Because if they faked their own receipt that would imply they believed in the sentiments ascribed on the original "real" receipt.

      •  You said it yourself. (0+ / 0-)

        "Identities hidden."

        Why hide their identities?  Words are cheap.

      •  There are now people here that believe (11+ / 0-)

        that this family created a fake Visa bill. Even though they were never identified and thus had no motive to do so. Even though the restaurant surely has a record of the actual bill. Even though the restaurant has refused to produce that record. Even though the waitress has no explanation for this, and got very uncomfortable and tight-lipped when she was confronted with the evidence. Even though the restaurant has now launched an "internal investigation".

        Some people find it impossible to believe I guess that a family might not be homophobic, and that a gay person might be a fucking liar.

        •  I'd be "tight-lipped" and even stunned, too. (0+ / 0-)

          The fact is that there's a signed MERCHANT COPY, and an unsigned CUSTOMER COPY.

          If this were a court of law, the signed MERCHANT COPY would prevail, unless the family could PROVE, beyond a reasonable doubt, that it was forged.  Notice that they're not providing a signature to compare with the one on the signed MERCHANT COPY?  Think about that.

          •  Again (5+ / 0-)

            The restaurant could very well make your case by showing records of their processed credit card transactions for that night.   If that transaction is $18 higher than the amount of the services received (thus matching the customers' bank statement) then we'll know that either Morales or her boss is full of shit.   If that extra $18 tip was never processed, then we know the couple is lying.

            Of course, since you who keep bringing up the possiblity of forgery, we'd have to apply the same skepticism to whatever documents the restaurant produces, right?

            •  The simple fact that the restaurant, (6+ / 0-)

              when confronted by the media, could have produced the document but didn't, is quite a powerful statement IMO. If they did, and it had different numbers than those on the family's bill, then we'd know that someone is forging something. But they did not produce anything. They said simply "no" when asked by the newswoman for this simple record that would clarify everything. Actually, they said "no" AND they said "we are launching an internal investigation".

              Hmmm. I wish I were Sherlock Holmes so I could figure out how this is going to come out...

              •  If I owned the restaurant (2+ / 0-)
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                I would want to figure out what was going on before giving information away to the media.  I'd be worried about my PR and how I was going to spin it.

                They have made public statements on this subject.  Now, they want to be sure they know whether they have a lying waitress who has embarrassed them publicly, or a thieving manager who has embarrassed them publicly, or something else going on.  They might want to make a decision so media reports show them acting appropriately, not running around with their hands in the air.

                This makes me think of when the Obama administration fired that woman who was smeared with allegations of discrimination.  Sometimes it's better to slow down and get the facts.

  •  The Visa statement would be the clincher (4+ / 0-)
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    But that was not shown in the video. Maybe the reporter saw and verified the statement. On the other hand, maybe the restaurant has the Merchant copy with the note and zero tip. We should await more info.

    Shall we go? Yes, let's go.

    by whenwego on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 09:07:17 AM PST

  •  I remember the initial outrage (2+ / 0-)
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    at this story.  I felt it too.  Now it appears she just wanted her 15 minutes of fame, and in doing so, just hurt the cause.  It's shit like this that causes people to shrug their shoulders at real outragesd.

    "Valerie, why am I getting all these emails calling me a classless boor?"

    by TLS66 on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 09:08:36 AM PST

  •  Sorry, NOT a hoax. (3+ / 0-)

    If you look at the receipts, you'll see the one Dayna Morales provided is the "MERCHANT COPY", and the one the family is providing is the "CUSTOMER COPY".  Only one of these is the copy restaurants use to charge a card--the MERCHANT COPY.

    The customer takes the CUSTOMER COPY home with her or him, and they can write anything they feel like on it.

    If you look at the picture of the CUSTOMER COPY they're providing--the one with the $18.00 tip included--you'll see there's no signature on it, nor is there even a signature line.

    Someone's lying here, but it's not Morales.

    •  Then how do you explain the credit card bill? (2+ / 0-)
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      And why would someone whose identity has not been revealed otherwise risk IDing themselves by their voices on national TV, express their support for gay rights and tell them that everyone they never wrote such a thing?

      •  Easily. (1+ / 0-)
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        It's not like bill's fonts are unique.  Easily forged, and given about a week or so?  You could produce it fairly easily with Word.

        In any event, the restaurant will have a log of the charges they made that night, and to whom.  The restaurant owner believed Dayna Morales to the point of making sure she got that $20 tip that night.  Don't you think the owner would look at the charge logs?

        •  So these monstrous people (7+ / 0-)

          who write this hateful note, fake a credit card bill (probably a criminal offense), then go on TV to expree their support for gay rights as some Machiavellian trick to discredit gay people?

          This ascribes a level of criminal mendacity and mental jiu-jitsu to customers of the Gallop restaurant at a level I could never have imagined.

          •  The kind of person who writes that hateful note... (0+ / 0-)

            ...is going to be Machiavellian and try to discredit her, yes.

            Live life as a queer for a week.  You'll see.

            •  So everyone is homophobic, (2+ / 0-)
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              and all gay people are honest. That is your worldview? When a heterosexual and a homosexual accuse each other, and the heterosexual produces the actual bill, and the homosexual does not, you assume the hetero must have forged the bill. Because everyone is homophobic, and all gay people are honest.

    •  Maybe (5+ / 0-)

      But if the credit card statement reflects a charge with an additional $18, then that means the tip was added at the restaurant before all credit card transactions for the entire day were processed after business hours.

      I suppose the customer could've contacted the credit card company and ADDED the tip AFTER the fact, but that's getting into really bizarre conspiracy theory stuff.

      •  Then how do you get a signed MERCHANT COPY? (1+ / 0-)
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        The bill is probably a forgery.  That's easily done with Word.

        The fact is that the only official receipt is the MERCHANT COPY, and it's signed.  You can't produce that twice without the night's till being off by $98.55.

        In any event, the restaurant will have a record of the charge.  The owner gave Morales the $20 tip she lost; I presume he or she looked at the receipt and looked at the night's charge log before giving it to her.

        •  You are being foolish now. (6+ / 0-)
          In any event, the restaurant will have a record of the charge.
          Yes, that is true. When the customer actually produces it, you say it is "probably a forgery". When the restaurant refuses to produce it, you still assume it would support her story. So the produced bill is a forgery, and the bill that is being withheld would support the version of the story you like. And the restaurant's final word is that they are starting an internal investigation. What is it about the possibility that a family might NOT be homophobic that you find so difficult to believe?
          •  That is exactly right (1+ / 0-)
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            Good points.
            The customer produced it, the restaurant did not.
            Of course, the restaurant could forge a copy, too.

            I hope the customers get aggravated enough with all this bullshit to show their actual bank statement.

          •  Prove the MERCHANT COPY... (0+ / 0-)

            ...is forged.

            Prove it.

            •  Arguing with you is like arguing (6+ / 0-)
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              with a creationist. I tried reasoning with you, but you selectively ignore evidence. Not sure what your problem is here, but for some reason you are refusing to be objective. So our conversation is finished. Even when the waitress is fired and disgraced, you will likely still believe her story. I tried to inform you of the facts at hand, but you are not interested in being objective here.

              •  Maybe we should approach this differently (2+ / 0-)
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                Since we seem to be at loggerheads in this thread.

                Lasgalen Lothir, I have not had to "live life as a queer for a week" as you noted upthread. I am sure that the slurs and insults and bad experiences are worse than I can imagine. I believe that LGBT servers probably have to put up with the exact kind of bad behavior Morales complained of in this story. I am sure that is true. I am sure Morales even suffered her fair share of it.

                What I don't believe is that she suffered this slur, in this instance, from this couple. The evidence just doesn't support it. I think that is what people have been trying to say, but I think we have been missing what you needed us to acknowledge about the truth of what gay people experience, even if Morales's story is not accurate.

                You see things; and you say “Why?” But I dream things that never were; and I say “Why not?” --George Bernard Shaw, JFK, RFK

                by CenPhx on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 10:36:52 AM PST

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            •  Really? (2+ / 0-)
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              doc2, NYFM

              You're putting the burden of proof on the accused?

        •  Maybe (5+ / 0-)

          We'll see if and when the customer decides to show the actual bank statement at the end of the billing cycle.

          As for a copy of the receipt - the restaurant/server/bartender/whatever can print another blank copy of any credit card receipt at any time.   It happens all the time at my work - a receipt gets wet, or lost, etc.  It just takes a manager's code to access that function, and you get another identitical copy labeled "merchant copy" and another "customer copy".   They aren't carbon copies - they're from a thermal printer.   What I don't know is how the time/date stamp works - if the copies reflect a later time/date stamp, or if they reflect the time/date of the original transaction - when the card was swiped.   That may even be something that each individual restaurant/bar sets up when they install their equipment.   I'll check at my bar tomorrow night.

          Sidenote - the restaurant is getting a lot of publicity - maybe Morales and the customer are both telling the truth?  

    •  No restaurant I've ever paid by CC at ever really (8+ / 0-)

      cares which copy I take and which I leave.  If I mistakenly leave the 'customer copy' and take the merchant copy, all they care about is that I signed the one I left.

      And, btw, any competent point of sale software system allows you to reprint copies of receipts, in case the printer mangled the prior one somehow, or it got destroyed.  

      So Morales could very easily have printed off a second set of the receipts to write whatever she wanted on whichever 'copy' she wanted.

      The proof is in the bank statement for the credit card.  If it shows they paid the meal plus the tip, then they did, because that's what got processed through the software.  Not whatever might have been manually written on any copy anywhere by anyone.

  •  wow. What an earth-shattering story. (0+ / 0-)

    good grief.
    somebody did something stupid.
    Maybe the customer, maybe the server.
    But somebody in a coffee shop did something stupid.
    Ok, thanks.

    Last full month in which the average daily temperature did not exceed twentieth-century norms: 2/1985 - Harper's Index, 2/2013

    by kamarvt on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 09:35:29 AM PST

    •  I agree the the original story was (3+ / 0-)
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      insignificant. But the story now is different. It is the story of a hoax that went viral, and now is being exposed. Real dollars came in as donations from around the world to this waitress, and that is why this now really is a story. Not important like war and peace, or jobs, but a real story worthy of discussion nevertheless.

  •  I hate the way restraurants have of getting in the (0+ / 0-)

    middle of the transaction. Why do I have to give them my card and leave myself open to fraud? Cash only or I don't go.

    Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

    by 88kathy on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 10:05:18 AM PST

  •  if you don't have a working bullshit detector (0+ / 0-)

    then you don't belong in politics.

  •  The restaurant has to produce that documentation (0+ / 0-)

    It could very well be the restaurant manager who is lying.

    That story about giving Morales $20 because they felt sorry for her plight makes for some damn good PR, doesn't it?

    •  No, the restaurant manager said he (2+ / 0-)
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      wasn't even working that night. If he is not in on the hoax, he simply believed his worker's claims. Now, of course, he clearly has doubts (thus the "investigation"). He can't be lying, because he's never actually said that he himself witnessed this incident.

      •  My bad, you are correct (3+ / 0-)
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        Evidently it was the restaurant owner who gave her a $20.

        But that's even more reason to produce that documentation, because that owner was either scammed out of $20 or got a whole lot of publicity for a very cheap price.

        •  Yeah. The fact that the restaurant (2+ / 0-)
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          refused to produce it is quite revealing. They probably enjoyed enhanced traffic for the past week, and a great deal of free, positive publicity. But now they are in danger of having a major problem on their hands, and are circling the wagons. It's too bad really, because it is likely that they were victims here of Morales as well.

  •  Simple explanation: (1+ / 0-)
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    The manager is stealing tips.

    •  That certainly has potential (1+ / 0-)
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      This was kind of a ham handed way of going about it though. And if it was his/her gegular practice, other servers would be stepping up with odd "messages" left on tipless, or low tip, receipts.

      “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

      by Catte Nappe on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 11:00:59 AM PST

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      •  not possible (1+ / 0-)
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        in this case: the couple show the tip recorded as part of their credit receipt.

        •  Sure it's *possible* (0+ / 0-)

          Couple pays bill and leaves nice tip.
          Mgr. takes it, pockets it, and prints a new copy of the receipt, writes a nasty comment, and leaves it for the watress who then believes she was stiffed.

          “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

          by Catte Nappe on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 11:45:57 AM PST

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  •  I now assume these are hoaxes (5+ / 0-)

    and wait for convincing evidence, which seldom appears. Of the four or five similar stories breathlessly flogged here, I think only the one about the woman pastor has been true.

    But they're truthy and pretty good Rorschach or IQ tests, and that's makes them interesting to watch.

  •  How would this couple... (1+ / 0-)
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    even know that the waitress is gay?

    •  The hostess introduced her as Danny (0+ / 0-)

      and here is her picture.


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      As the Bible says.. well, O.K. the bible doesn't say much about lesbians.. I think there is something in Romans about being 'contrary to nature', but being true to yourself isn't really being 'contrary to nature' is it?

      “We can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities.” - Winston Chuchill

      by se portland on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 02:11:10 PM PST

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      •  Are you saying... (1+ / 0-)
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        that you can tell she is gay just by looking at her?

        •  It happens (0+ / 0-)

          Believe it or not, people will judge you on your looks.

          When Morales introduced herself to the couple and their two children, the mother was allegedly shocked by Morales' short hair.

          "Oh I thought you were gonna say your name is Dan," she allegedly said. "You sure surprised us!"

          Even if my risotto isn't perfect I am still going to tip my wait person. The truth is I am more worried about the dishwasher...

          “We can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities.” - Winston Chuchill

          by se portland on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 06:05:05 PM PST

          [ Parent ]

  •  Just saying... (1+ / 0-)
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    I had to pay my credit card bill anyway, so I brought up my statement in Chrome, pasted it in to Libra Office. I took a screen shot, saved it, then edited it and took another screen shot. I loaded the images into Gimp, and then redacted some stuff.

    I think this is irrefutable proof that I spent over $100 at Fred Myers, don't you?


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    “We can always count on the Americans to do the right thing, after they have exhausted all the other possibilities.” - Winston Chuchill

    by se portland on Tue Nov 26, 2013 at 01:33:12 PM PST

  •  One Forged Visa Statement. (0+ / 0-)

    It took me about an hour, and it'd take me maybe another 15 minutes to make the entire thing look completely plausible to an NBC newsreporter.

    Originally, this was a Netflix charge of $7.99.

    Notice how "FOR DOC2'S  READING PLEASURE" is now the merchant?

    Notice how I easily changed $7.99 to $111.99?

    Notice how I added "THIS STATEMENT IS DOCTORED, IN CASE YOU COULDN'T FIGURE IT OUT"?

  •  Nice Combo Theory? (1+ / 0-)
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    With no foundation. Just fun to speculate along with everyone else.

    The restaurant system scams the wait staff by occasionally charging the credit card account for the tip, but leaves the waitress thinking she got no tip.

    Most cases, the waitress shrugs it off as another of life's indignities and goes on. This time, because of the confusion and discussion about "Dan," the waitress is pissed, convinced she's been stiffed because she's demonstrably gay; writes the message herself as embellishment (to what she mistakenly believes is true), and vents.

    Story gets out of hand.

  •  It's not looking good (0+ / 0-)

    ...for Lothir's heroic and oppressed waitress.

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