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Eight of 34 guns discovered by TSA agents at airports around the country last week.
Just your basic, routine, 40+ GunFAIL events week. Though once again, the hunting season is responsible for about a quarter of those listed. I count 11 clear hunting accidents this past week, two more that came in as late reports from prior weeks, plus one more that isn't as clearly labeled a hunting accident, but was being investigated by the Indiana Department of Natural Resources, ordinarily a pretty clear indication that it's hunting-related. That brings the total for this installment of GunFAIL to 14.

If we make a similar assumption, we find a total of four accidents occurring while someone was cleaning a still-loaded gun. There are three clear examples, plus one more that happened while the owner was "breaking down" his gun, usually a prelude to cleaning. Though again, it must be admitted that unloading a gun is usually a prelude to breaking it down, so clearly not everything is working as it should be, and maybe I assume too much.

Five "home invasion" shootings are among the entries this week, plus one that fell from the owner's pocket and shot his wife, one that shot its brand new owner immediately following its purchase, and one used to shoot yet another suspected "intruder" who turned out to be the gun owner's caretaker who'd come to check on him.

Continuing the Christmas shopping season's hottest trend, another gun carrier has accidentally discharged his weapon while out at the stores, this time shooting himself in the parking lot outside a Lowe's home improvement store in Pocatello, ID.

The child victims of GunFAIL were mercifully few last week. Just five were found, ages 5, 15, 15, 16 and 17. Many of you have, no doubt, by now become aware of the story of the 3-year-old killed in Indianapolis on Saturday. That particular tragedy does not go unrecognized, but it won't be included until our next installment.

In our continuing count of guns found in schools, I found stories last week from: Toledo, OH; Durham, NC; Camden, SC; Winter Garden, FL (where at least one Daily Kos reader I know of has a child in attendance); Omaha, NE, and; San Francisco, CA.

On a slightly more positive note, I thought you might find it interesting to know that our military, which has some considerable experience with firearms and which generally frowns on members carrying arms in the routine course of business on base, has taken on one more precaution for its members: private gun ownership mentoring. Why? "The idea for this was to put together some form of mentorship in terms of privately owned weapons due to the numbers in trends that the Army is seeing with soldiers injuring themselves with weapons they purchased," said a spokesman. Glad to see the Army keeping an eye on reality, and being willing to address a real world problem, rather than relying on some kind of Invisible Hand of Freedom to do it for them.

Without further ado, this week's installment, below the fold.

  1. MCKENZIE CO., ND, 11/14/13: Kaelan Macdonald and his family spent the past three weeks, including Thanksgiving, in a St. Paul, MN, hospital after he was shot in the eye while pheasant hunting. Russell Macdonald said he and he his son were deer hunting with two others Nov. 14 on their family farm in McKenzie County, about 20 miles southeast of Bismarck. He said the deer hunting was slow that Sunday so the group decided to walk a slough where they had seen some pheasants earlier in the day. When they reached the slough, Kaelan and one of his friends walked the edge to the other side and Macdonald and a family friend went through the middle. When a rooster flushed, the friend fired with Kaelan 80 yards directly down range. Russell Macdonald said it was then the magnitude of his son’s situation hit hard for him and his wife. “I have never felt fear like that before,” he said. Admittedly, Russell Macdonald said they didn’t follow safe hunting rules — and it cost his son dearly. He said one of the biggest things is thinking something like this couldn’t happen to them. He said he plans on sharing his story with others when it comes to proper hunting safety and how, in an instant, things can go wrong.
  2. FORTY FORT, PA, 11/21/13:  Forty Fort police took out a search warrant on a man who accidentally shot himself in the face—but allegedly wasn't supposed to possess a gun. Martin Dartoe, 24, of Center Street, is prohibited from owning a firearm because he has an active protection from abuse order out on him, police said. According to the warrant application, Forty Fort Officer Adam Michaels was sent to Geisinger Wyoming Valley Medical Center on Nov. 22 on a report of a man who had come in seeking treatment for injuries to his right and left cheeks. The man, identified as Dartoe, first told hospital staff that he didn't know how he got the injuries. He later told staff the injuries were from a knife, but then changed his story again and said they were from the accidental discharge of a firearm, possibly a .38 caliber revolver. Dartoe said a friend, whom he didn't identify, owned a .38 caliber revolver, but he didn't recall how he sustained the gunshot injury, and said he was done speaking with police about the incident because it was an accident. At Dartoe's apartment, a man identified only by the name Taylor invited police in and told them that on Nov. 21, he, Dartoe and two other men he didn't know were in the apartment. Taylor said Dartoe brought out a gun and handed it to one of the men. The man unloaded the gun and handed it back to Dartoe. Dartoe then put the gun on the right side of his face, and the gun discharged. Taylor said Dartoe then put the gun in a lockbox and began to clean himself up.
  3. NASHUA, NH, 11/23/13: A New York man was charged Tuesday with reckless conduct as a result of a shooting Nov. 23 involving a handgun police say he accidentally fired into his hand, with the same bullet injuring an adult female. Justin Morales, 29, of 18 Vermont View Drive, Apt. 12, Watervliet, N.Y., was arrested by Nashua police and charged with reckless conduct, a class B felony. Police say on Nov. 23 at around 10:30 p.m., Morales fired the shot inside an apartment at 39 Congress St. When police arrived, they found Morales and a woman they did not identify both shot by the same bullet. Morales told police at the time he was breaking down the handgun while it was still loaded. Police said the weapon was fired and a bullet went through his hand and then into the upper leg of the woman, who police said lived at the apartment.
  4. CHICKASHA, OK, 11/29/13: A Chickasha man accidentally shot himself in the head with a gun Nov. 29, according to local police. Chickasha Police Officer Joel Hendrix said he met with Jordan Seibold in the 800 block of 12th Street at 2:42 a.m. in reference to a gunshot victim. Seibold said her boyfriend was in the bedroom and had accidentally shot himself. Hendrix said he entered the residence where he found Samuel Bingaman in bed holding a towel on his head. "Bingaman said he was playing with his 22 caliber revolver and accidentally shot himself in the head," said Hendrix. "I noticed the revolver lying on the floor next to the bed, underneath a night stand. Seibold said Bingaman told her he had unloaded the gun. "Bingaman began to spin the gun on his finger, playing around when the gun fired," said Hendrix. "The bullet entered the top right of his head bouncing off the skull and exiting from the top of his head."
  5. CHEROKEE CO., OK, 11/29/13: A $1,000 reward is being offered for information about the person who shot a hunter in the arm last week in Cherokee County. John Mason, 27, of Wagoner was in the Welling area with his father, and the two were leaving the woods about 6:20 p.m. Friday. “Apparently, his dad heard the shot and heard (Mason) say something,” said Jason Chennault, Cherokee County undersheriff. “That’s how he knew he’d been shot.” We had a description of a vehicle that was seen in the area,” Chennault said. “We haven’t found the vehicle. They may have witnessed something. We can’t say what they might have seen.” The vehicle is described as a red four-door Dodge pickup. Mason’s condition was unavailable Monday. He had gone to W.W. Hastings in Tahlequah and was then flown to a hospital in Tulsa, Chennault said. “His arm was pretty mangled up,” he said. “Deputies said it would take several surgeries to correct it.” Meek said Cherokee County hasn’t had a hunting accident reported in the last four years. “This has been an unfortunate year for Cherokee County,” he said. “Our guys are working three accidents right now. Last year in all of Oklahoma there were only six accidents. Two were fatal.
  6. GABRIELS, NY, 11/29/13: An accidentally discharged gun left a man wounded and led to two arrests. Ray Brook-based state police said they responded to a report of an accidental discharge of a firearm on Nov. 29 at a residence on Franklin County Route 60 in Gabriels. Upon arrival, police discovered Jonathan D. Michael, 32, had suffered a gunshot wound to his left leg. Audra L. Muncil, 33, and Michael, who live together at the residence, told police that the discharge occurred accidentally while Michael was cleaning his .22-caliber Marlin rifle. Police said further investigation revealed that Muncil and Michael were fighting while Michael was holding the rifle, and it discharged into the back of Michael's leg when Muncil attempted to take it from him.
  7. MANCHESTER, NH, 11/30/13: A 5-year-old suffered an apparent self-inflicted gunshot wound early Saturday morning in Manchester, police said. The child was treated for non-life-threatening injuries at the Elliot Hospital after the shooting was reported at 2:30 a.m. at 420 Spruce St., police said. The mother and her boyfriend told officers the child was playing with a handgun, which belongs to the boyfriend, Sonday Bishop, 28, police said. Manchester police seized the .22-caliber handgun.
  8. POCATELLO, ID, 11/30/13: A man accidentally shot himself with a handgun in a vehicle outside the Lowe's home improvement store here on Saturday. The incident occurred at 11:30 a.m. when the man returned to his vehicle in the Lowe's parking lot after shopping at Lowe's and was placing his handgun into a holster. Somehow the gun went off, shooting the man.
  9. MONROE, LA, 11/30/13: A man is recovering in the hospital after accidentally shooting himself in the leg Saturday morning. An elderly man was in his carport on East Rimes Street when a handgun fell out of his jacket pocket and hit the ground. The gun discharged, shooting him in his right thigh/groin area. When Monroe Police were called to the scene around 9:30 a.m., the man was alert and with his family.
  10. WEST GARDINER, ME, 11/30/13: A hunting accident Saturday morning sent a Neck Road man to the hospital after he apparently slipped and shot himself in the foot. District Game Warden Steve Allarie said Zachary Woods, 31, was injured. “He was apparently beginning to start his hunt behind his residence and heard what he thought could be a deer,” Allarie said. He said Woods flipped off the safety and the firearm went off when he slipped on some rocks, striking himself in the right foot.
  11. KEARNS, UT, 11/30/13: A teenager shot in Kearns during a home invasion robbery Saturday was reportedly staged, police said early Sunday morning. While processing the scene Saturday, evidence was not consistent with the story told from the victim, the release stated. Detectives interviewed the boy again and he reportedly admitted the wound was self-inflicted. Unified Police received a 911 call on a report of a home invasion robbery and shooting from 5292 S. Leprechaun Lane Satuday. The 17-year-old victim told dispatchers two suspects entered his home and pointed a gun at him. The call was disconnected – when the victim called back a few minutes later he claimed he had exchanged gunfire with the suspects and was shot, according to a press release from Unified Police.
  12. DUVALL, WA, 11/30/13: A King County sheriff's spokesman says a deputy conducting a trailhead check discovered a man dead with a gunshot wound to the chest. Deputy Charlie Akers says the deputy found the man next to his vehicle Saturday night at about 9:20 p.m. near Duvall, about 25 miles northeast of Seattle. Akers said in a statement it appears the man accidentally shot himself as he was putting away his gear after a day of hunting.
  13. WICHITA, KS, 11/30/13: The sister was slightly wounded by shotgun pellets. No charges will be filed, said Wichita police Lt. Doug Nolte. The shooting took place in the 1900 block of Pinebay, Nolte said. The man was showing the shotgun to his sister at about 8:20 p.m Saturday when the gun went off. The pellets hit the carpeted, concrete basement floor, and some of them struck the girl, Nolte said.
  14. MILTON, FL, 11/30/13: A Florida Panhandle man is dead after a deer hunting accident. Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission spokesman Stan Kirkland says 30-year-old Christopher Garrett was hunting on land owned by his family when he was shot on Saturday afternoon. Investigators say Garrett had been hunting in deer stands with Johnny Farmer when both left their stands around dusk. The Pensacola News Journal reports Farmer saw motion in the woods and fired his shotgun, striking Garrett. Kirkland says neither man was wearing hunter orange, but deer hunters aren't required to wear orange on private land.
  15. DE SOTO, MO, 12/01/13: A 32-year-old man now faces charges after police say he allegedly misfired a handgun while drunk and shot a woman in De Soto. On Sunday, December 1, officers with the De Soto Police Department responded to an apartment in the 1200 block of Sycamore Hills Drive in reference to a shooting. Upon arrival, officers spoke with a 32-year-old male who told them there was a woman in the apartment who had been shot. Officers discovered the victim, a 21-year-old female, who was suffering from a gunshot wound to the neck.
  16. NEWARK, NJ, 12/01/13: The shooting of a 15-year-old Elizabeth boy in Newark on Sunday night was ruled accidental, police officials said. The victim, who was not identified, was shot in the mouth on Fairview Avenue around 7 p.m. on Sunday after his friend accidentally fired a gun in his direction, according to Newark Police Director Samuel DeMaio. The group of teens were apparently playing with the weapon in a bedroom when the 15-year-old was shot in the face, DeMaio said.
  17. MOSES LAKE, WA, 12/01/13: A woman was accidentally shot in the chest with a 9 mm pistol on Sunday when a family member discharged a pistol while cleaning it. Terry Cafferty, a 69-year-old Moses Lake man, was cleaning the weapon in the dining room, when he reportedly forgot to remove the loaded magazine and pulled the trigger. The shot went through his forearm, into the living room and struck his daughter-in-law Miriam Cafferty, a 25-year-old woman, in the chest, according to the Grant County Sheriff’s Office. Both people were taken from the home in the 1,400 block of West Craig Street in the Larson area, near Moses Lake, to Samaritan hospital. Miriam Cafferty was later transferred to Central Washington Hospital. Terry Cafferty was not arrested and charges are not anticipated at this time.
  18. SHEPHERD, TX, 12/01/13: A 30-year-old Shepherd man is dead, the victim of an apparent accidental shooting, according to Chief Deputy James Fitch with the San Jacinto County Sheriff’s Office. The incident that led to the death of David Atkinson took place at his home on the 100 block of Bob McGowen Road in Shepherd. Atkinson and two other people were cleaning their weapons when one of the guns discharged, striking Atkinson in the neck. He died at the scene. Atkinson was not handling the Glock handgun that killed him. The person who was handling that weapon may be facing criminal charges at the conclusion of the investigation by the sheriff’s office. “This was a Glock handgun. The magazine was removed but there was a round in the chamber and they didn’t realize it,” said Fitch. “Glock is one of the few guns that will fire without a clip in it. The best thing is to treat every gun as if it’s loaded.”
  19. RIVERTON, WY, 12/01/13: A 21-year-old Riverton man was airlifted to Casper after accidentally shooting himself in the leg while duck hunting Sunday morning along the Wind River east of Riverton. The Fremont County Sheriff’s Office says it appears the man lost his footing while walking down an embankment towards the river and dropped his 20-gauge shotgun causing it to go off striking the victim’s right femur.
  20. BOCA RATON, FL, 12/01/13: By all accounts, Justin Holt and Erin Steele were very much in love. They started dating almost immediately after being introduced and were open about saying "I love you" to each other. After almost a year together, the young Pompano Beach couple had become nearly inseparable. On Thanksgiving, Steele and Holt ate dinner at his grandpa's house. Three days later, she shot and killed him. The 911 call about the shooting came just before 11 p.m. Sunday, police said. Officers hurried to the Gables Town Place apartment complex off Military Trail, where they found Holt, Steele and two of their friends. Holt, 22, had been shot in the chest and was taken to Delray Medical Center, where he died soon after. The four people at the apartment told investigators the same story, police said. Madison Flint, who lives there, invited friends over to hang out. One of them, Joshua Henry, brought a pistol and showed it off to the group, police said. They passed it around and practiced firing it without the bullets inside. Then, Henry reloaded the pistol and set it on the counter, police said. Later in the night, Steele picked it up, pointed it at Holt and pulled the trigger, police said. It fired, hitting him in the chest.
  21. LINN CO., IA, 12/01/13: An eastern Iowa man was shot and injured during a weekend hunting trip in Linn County. Eric Harms, 37, of Marion was hit in the leg by shotgun pellets while pheasant hunting Sunday afternoon, according to the Iowa Department of Natural Resources. Harms was hunting with Adam Bigley, 29, of Cedar Rapids, at the Wakpicada Nautral Area south of Central City. A group of birds came between them, and both hunters fired when the birds were at or near the ground. Two pellets fired from Bigley's gun penetrated Harms' leg.
  22. CHEVERLY, MD, 12/01/13: A gun was fired on an Orange Line train early Sunday during an argument between two men. A Metro spokesperson said that two men who knew each other were involved in a dispute on a train bound for New Carrollton around 2 a.m. today. "During the incident, one male was struck in the head with a gun by the other male," the spokesperson said. "The contact of the gun with the victim's head caused it to discharge one round, breaking a window on the train." No other passengers on the train were injured. The suspect was arrested at the Cheverly station by a Metro Transit Police officer, and the victim was taken to a hospital with a non-life-threatening laceration.
  23. COSHOCTON CO., OH, 12/02/13: A 63-year-old man died today after he apparently accidentally shot himself during the first day of deer gun season, the Coshocton County Sheriff’s office said. The sheriff’s office was called at 10:27 a.m. to the 28000 block of Rt. 341, on a report of a hunter found dead in a tree stand. He was pronounced dead at the scene.
  24. PANAMA CITY, FL, 12/02/13: The Bay County Sheriff's Office is working a shooting that occurred in the early morning hours of December 2, 2013, and is asking for the public's help to locate two men believed in the home at the time of the shooting. At about 3:30 AM Monday morning, the BCSO responded to a 911 call from the mother of the victim stating her daughter had been shot. Deputies arrived with EMS at the home located at 1416 W. 29th Court, Panama City, and found a victim shot once in the abdomen. BCSO Investigators responded to the scene and spoke with the victim's mother and Blake Youngblood, both of which were in the home with the victim at the time of the shooting. Investigators believe Youngblood and the victim were with two other men in the victim's bedroom playing video games. The three men decided to leave when Youngblood took out his handgun, took the magazine out and accidentally pulled the trigger. The victim was shot once in the abdomen.
  25. MORGAN TOWNSHIP, OH, 12/02/13: In Gallia County, OH, the sheriff's department is looking into what lead to the death of one hunter early Monday morning. According to Sheriff Joe Browning, dispatchers received a call before 9:00 a.m. that a hunter had been found injured in a tree stand. When deputies arrived on scene, Browning said they found Larry Bradley dead of an apparent gunshot wound. Bradley was hunting one mile into the woods off Thaxton Road in Morgan Township, about 30 minutes outside Gallipolis, Ohio. Browning said he was hunting on private property at the time. According to investigators, family members say Bradley left the house to go hunting early Monday morning. They later received a call from him that he was injured.
  26. NORTH MIAMI BEACH, FL, 12/02/13:  In an apparent accident, a North Miami Beach man shot and killed another man while watching the New Orleans Saints play the Seattle Seahawks on Monday Night Football. Brandon Kyle Lapeikis and Christian Salazar, two 19-year-olds who had drifted apart since high school but had recently started hanging out again, were watching the game inside a bedroom at Lapeikis’ North Miami Beach home in the company of two other friends. All four were smoking marijuana. According to the friends, Lapeikis left the room and returned shortly with a gun. He racked the firearm, pointed it at Salazar’s head, said “Game over” and pulled the trigger. Salazar was airlifted to Jackson Memorial Hospital in extremely grave condition. He died at 10:05 Tuesday morning. Lapeikis later told authorities he did not know the gun was loaded and admitted to pulling the trigger. Police charged him with second-degree murder. The investigation is ongoing.
  27. RACINE, WI, 12/02/13: Two suspects accused in an armed robbery and shooting that occurred on Monday night, December 2nd in Racine have now been charged in the case. The suspects are identified as 16-year-old Damario Redmond of Racine, and 21-year-old Maurice Smith of Waterford. A criminal complaint against Redmond indicates police were dispatched to Sixteenth Street Foods in Racine for a shooting just after 3:00 p.m. on Monday, December 2nd. Officers made contact with the store’s owner, who reported the store had been robbed by two black males wearing hooded sweatshirts, masks and black gloves. The complaint indicates Redmond was armed with a handgun. The suspects were arrested in this case when police received information that a party with a possible gunshot wound to the leg was outside of Twins Food Mart on 16th Street. The criminal complaint says Redmond shot himself in the leg trying to put his gun back into his pants.
  28. HILTON HEAD ISLAND, SC, 12/02/13: A Hilton Head Island man shot his gun inside his apartment Monday, leaving holes in the apartment beneath him, according to a Beaufort County Sheriff's Office report. A 26-year-old resident of Delander Court was carrying his gun out of his bedroom sometime between 9:30 p.m. and 10:30 p.m. when he accidentally fired it into his floor, he told deputies. The 31-year-old woman who lives below him returned home from an overnight shift at work Tuesday morning to find one of her light-switch plates destroyed and holes in her ceiling, wall and floor. The man apologized and offered to pay for the $300 in damages, the report said.
  29. SAVANNAH, GA, 12/02/13: Police in Savannah say a man accused of lying to authorities after accidentally shooting himself has been charged with providing false information to police, obstruction and other offenses. Savannah-Chatham Metropolitan Police spokesman Julian Miller says 21-year-old Deaussey Ladarius Mungin accidentally shot himself in the finger Monday and told police he was wounded when someone fired at him from a passing vehicle. Miller says police didn't find the crime scene, thought the wound was self-inflicted and asked him to submit to a gun residue test. Mungin instead checked himself out of the hospital and ran. Miller says ammunition fell out of his sweater and police also found marijuana when he was arrested.
  30. OAKLAND TOWNSHIP, PA, 12/02/13: In western Pennsylvania's Venango County, officials said a hunter was shot in the leg and had to be transported to a hospital, state Emergency Management Agency spokesman Cory Angell said.
  31. OWENSBORO, KY, 12/03/13: An Owensboro man was flown to University of Louisville Hospital Tuesday morning after accidentally shooting himself at his home on Kentucky 1389. Capt. Bill Thompson of the Daviess County Sheriff's Department said the man, later identified as Danny R. Word Jr., 38, was retrieving a rifle from his vehicle at about 7:15 a.m. Tuesday when the rifle discharged. Thompson said Word was shot in the upper leg.
  32. YPSILANTI, MI, 12/03/13: Waterford Township native Tammy Flowers was woken around 1:40 this morning to her roommate banging on her door and crying. “When I opened the door, she was sitting on the floor, looked up at me and said, ‘I got shot,’” said Flowers. A bullet had just gone through the wall of their apartment and her roommate, Farmington Hills native Destinee Leapheart, 20, was hit in the upper left arm. Police are looking for the suspect in the shooting. The two are students at Eastern Michigan University and live at Peninsular Place Apartments on Huron River Drive in Ypsilanti. The shot was apparently fired into the air from outside. The unit is in the back of the complex facing the river, and police believe the shots came from across the river. The bullet penetrated the wall right above Leapheart’s bed.
  33. LYONS, OH, 12/03/13: A 21-year-old Oregon man died of an apparent gunshot wound today in a hunting incident in Fulton County's Royalton Township, authorities said. The man's name was not released. Fulton County Sheriff Roy Miller in a statement said that a 911 call at 1:52 p.m. reported the incident near State Rt. 109 and County Road N. The hunter was pronounced dead at the scene.
  34. FEDERAL WAY, WA, 12/03/13: A 19-year-old who allegedly purchased a stolen handgun accidentally shot himself in the abdomen following the transaction in Federal Way on Tuesday night. Federal Way Police officers responded to the call at approximately 10:01 p.m. at 30823 18th Ave. South. Dispatch advised police that the “victim” showed up at his friend’s apartment with an apparent gunshot wound to the abdomen. Upon arrival, the victim stated that he was at an unknown ARCO station and was shot by a black male and a Samoan male. Medics transported the male to Harborview. Further investigation revealed that the 19-year-old met with a Samoan male to purchase a handgun. Following the completed transaction, the victim accidentally shot himself in the abdomen. His injury is considered non-life-threatening.
  35. CORPUS CHRISTI, TX, 12/03/13: Police plan to question a 16-year-old boy being blamed for shooting his girlfriend last night. A family member claims he accidentally shot 15-year-old Mercedes Reyna last night at her home on Huisache Street. They tell us the couple have a 1-year-old child. The teen underwent surgery for a gunshot wound and remains in the hospital.
  36. COLUMBUS, GA, 12/03/13:  Wayman McMillian, a suspected member of a Columbus burglary ring, escaped police after allegedly crashing a stolen Nissan Maxima near North Lumpkin Road. He left behind five alleged cohorts — Laquinton Robinson, Ricky Henderson, Jacobee Matthews, Demon Moore and Emmanuel Williams — accused of burglarizing more than two dozen east and north Columbus homes, detectives said. But eluding police fugitive search squads was cut short after McMillian accidentally shot himself in both legs, detectives say.  Wayman McMillian, a suspected member of a Columbus burglary ring, escaped police after allegedly crashing a stolen Nissan Maxima near North Lumpkin Road. He left behind five alleged cohorts — Laquinton Robinson, Ricky Henderson, Jacobee Matthews, Demon Moore and Emmanuel Williams — accused of burglarizing more than two dozen east and north Columbus homes, detectives said. But eluding police fugitive search squads was cut short after McMillian accidentally shot himself in both legs, detectives say.
  37. SENECA CO., OH, 12/03/13: A hunter suffered a gunshot wound and was treated at a hospital Tuesday afternoon after a hunting accident in Seneca County. According to reports from the Seneca County Sheriff's Office, a caller from Mercy Willard Hospital reported just after 6 p.m. the hospital was treating a person who was shot during a hunting accident in Seneca County. The report indicates the accident occurred in the area of East TR 106 and South TR 197. Seneca County Sheriff Bill Eckelberry said one hunter was shooting at a coyote between themselves and another hunter when they accidentally shot the second hunter.
  38. KOKOMO, IN, 12/03/13: Whatever prompted a possibly intoxicated man to pull a gun inside Cirilla's novelty store [Ed. note: apparently a "sex shop," according to the item headline] Tuesday backfired. Police said the suspect verbally threatened someone in the store before showing a gun, prompting a short altercation around 4 p.m. The man, who police didn't immediately identify, was led away from the store in handcuffs, one eye swelling shut and blood partially obscuring his face after the incident. Kokomo Police Maj. Brian Seldon said it wasn't a robbery, but said the suspect had made a threat to a store clerk, sparking the melee. "Witnesses in the store started wrestling with the suspect, and were able to take the handgun away from him. The gun went off, but didn't hit anyone," Seldon said, adding it appeared the man had been drinking. Officers at the scene breathalyzed the suspect as he was receiving treatment for his injuries.
  39. STATEN ISLAND, NY, 12/03/13: A Staten Island man got a big shock after going to the hospital and learning he’d been shot. As CBS 2′s Scott Rapoport reported, Edgardo Oquendo, 33, was seriously injured in the accidental shooting. Police believe he was the victim of a stray bullet. Oquendo called his wife on Tuesday saying he fell in his Staten Island home and was bleeding from the head. He was taken to Richmond University Medical Center and given a CAT scan, which showed a bullet in his head. Police found a bullet hole in a wall of Oquendo’s home. CBS 2 cameras captured what appeared to be a bullet hole in his window. Sources say police used laser tracking to try to determine where the shot came from and believe Oquendo was an unintended casualty of a random shooting.
  40. WILKES-BARRE, PA, 12/04/13: A stray bullet almost hit a sleeping girl at a troubled housing complex in Wilkes-Barre. Police said a gun accidentally went off in an apartment in Sherman Hills on North Empire Court around 3 a.m. on Wednesday. Authorities said the bullet went through the floor of an upstairs apartment and hit the floor, just a few feet away from a girl sleeping in bed. Wilkes-Barre Police said the gunshot appears to be an accidental discharge, but officers are still investigating the circumstances.
  41. BRADENTON, FL, 12/04/13: Deputies say a man who was apparently spooked by noises in his house shot one of his caretakers. Manatee County Sheriff's officials say 48-year-old Charles Fletcher had just gone to sleep Wednesday night when the noise awakened him. When he saw someone enter his bedroom, he grabbed a gun he keeps next to his bed and fired. The shot hit Erik Kirby, who is one of several caretakers who look in on Fletcher.
  42. GEORGETOWN, KY, 12/04/13: A 20-year-old Georgetown woman accidentally shot herself Wednesday night, then told police she was shot during a robbery outside her North Hamilton Street home, police said. Samantha Willoughby has been cited on a charge of falsely reporting an incident, Georgetown police Detective Sgt. Jeff Greenfield said. Greenfield said city police responded to Georgetown Community Hospital to a robbery call about 10:36 p.m. Wednesday and spoke to the victim who told officers she had been shot during a robbery. She had been shot in the left abdomen. Meanwhile, city detectives found discrepancies in her story, he said. Evidence at the alleged crime scene indicated she was not shot where she claimed she was. The investigation indicated the shooting had occurred in the woman's car, Greenfield said. Upon her return to Georgetown, officers questioned her and she admitted shooting herself in the car while trying to familiarize herself with a .22-caliber pistol, he said.
  43. RICHLAND, WA, 12/04/13: Richland police are asking for the public’s help in finding a man who allegedly fired more than 20 rounds from an assault rifle at three people in an SUV. Bullets tore through the hood and windshield of the Ford Explorer but no one was seriously hurt, said Richland Capt. Mike Cobb. “It’s hard to believe no one was hit,” he said. One bullet traveled about three-quarters of a mile and lodged in a wall inside an apartment on the 2500 block of Duportail Street, Cobb said. A woman was in the apartment but was not injured. The shooting was Wednesday night in a mobile home park on the 100 block of Bitterroot Drive. It apparently stemmed from an ongoing dispute over a “litany of different things,” including a stolen motorcycle and work on a building, Cobb said.
  44. GRAND RAPIDS, MI, 12/05/13: A man was taken to the hospital after he accidentally shot himself Thursday evening, according to police dispatch reports. The victim had been cleaning his gun when it went off, shooting him in the stomach. The extent of the man's injuries are unclear, but he was able to tell emergency dispatchers his address and that the light on his porch was on. Emergency crews responded around 7:45 p.m. to the residence in the 1000 block of Oaklawn Street NE.
  45. JASPER, IN, 12/05/13: A Martin County man apparently shot himself in the foot last week, prompting state conservation officials to issue a reminder about firearm safety. Edward Lee Seals Jr., 28, of Loogootee, suffered a self-inflicted gunshot wound to his right foot on Thursday, according to information released Sunday by the Indiana Department of Natural Resources. A family member took Seals to Memorial Hospital in Jasper.
  46. TULSA, OK, 12/06/13: A 17-year-old was shot in the arm after a handgun tossed by another teen went off inside a residence Friday morning. The victim’s friend, a 16-year-old who thought the weapon was not functional, tossed the gun to the victim, and the gun fired when it struck the floor, they told Tulsa police. Officers responded to the scene in the 2800 block of East 44th Street around 10 a.m. The bullet grazed the teen’s side before penetrating his arm, Sgt. Dedlorn Sanders said.
  47. ANCHORAGE, AK, 12/06/13: Anchorage police have arrested 27-year-old Bonnie Degenstein after she called 911 Friday night to report that she had accidentally shot a man. Police say Degenstein called Anchorage Police Department dispatch at 10:16 p.m. Friday. She said she and an unidentified man had been drinking and "playing with a gun" at a residence near midtown and that she’d accidentally shot him. When police and medics got there they found a man who’d been fatally shot multiple times. The victim was transported to the hospital, where he was pronounced dead. Degenstein has been charged with second-degree murder and is expected to make a court appearance Saturday afternoon.
  48. LORANGER, LA, 12/06/13: Police are investigating the death of a man who was shot on a hunting trip. The Louisiana Department of Wildlife and Fisheries and Tangipahoa Parish Sheriff's office responded to the call of a fatal shooting around 2:30 p.m. on Friday. Joseph H. Stevens Jr., 33, was killed in what is believed to be an accidental shooting while on a hunting trip with Stacey M. Trapp, 37. According to Trapp, as the two walked back to their cars and came across a net-wire fence. As they walked along the fence searching for an easier way through Trapp squatted down to go under some bushes with his rifle slung over his shoulder when the weapon accidentally fired and fatally shot Stevens. Trapp then called 911 for help.

Originally posted to David Waldman on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 07:39 PM PST.

Also republished by Shut Down the NRA and Daily Kos.

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  •  Yet another sign of Eternal September ... (12+ / 0-)

    ... descending upon the RKBA community:

    "The idea for this was to put together some form of mentorship in terms of privately owned weapons due to the numbers in trends that the Army is seeing with soldiers injuring themselves with weapons they purchased,"
    Emphasis mine. Wonder if the Marines are considering something similar?

    What should we do for the ones who aren't in the military, and just buy the dog tags and the camo online?

    •  Military training (0+ / 0-)

      It's hard to believe that anyone could get through basic training in the Army or the Marine Corps without learning how to handle a firearm safely.  

      •  It's actually understandable (2+ / 0-)
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        The article quotes the commanders involved as pointing out that soldiers are mostly trained on combat rifles, not the kinds of weapons they can buy at local gun shops (by which I presume they mean handguns, which are not routinely used as infantry weapons by enlistees. So the soldiers might think they know what they're doing with a Glock or whatever, but they don't, and ... GunFAIL ensues.

      •  My father was a gun expert in the Navy. . . (5+ / 0-)
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        . . .His last job was running a major Navy armory.  He thought having a gun in the house was more dangerous  (he used the word stupid) for the owner than any one the gun would deter.  I was convinced when my first father-in- law, a Korean vet Marine, nearly shot my brother-in-law who was sneaking home late one night. They both knew what they were doing with weapons, but my father was right.

        I personally think that the popular interpretation of second amendment is a pure case of people who cannot comprehend the meaning of written English.  Nevertheless, I think guns should be tightly controlled for purely common sense reasons- that being guns are dangerous and no matter who has one, expert or no, the danger for those around them drastically increases.  Why this is beyond the comprehension of anyone over three years old is beyond me.

        If we are going to elect Democrats, lets elect real ones!

        by waztec on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 07:10:28 PM PST

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        •  Your father was right (2+ / 0-)
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          Having a firearm around makes you perhaps more safe in the less-than-once-in-a-lifetime chance a stranger attacks you while you're home.  However, it makes you and everyone around you less safe at all other places and all other times.   This is not only common sense, it has been demonstrated by repeated studies (Anti-gun safety lobbyists had Congress try to squash funding for studies for precisely these reasons).

          It's a classic case of faulty risk assessment, due to human psychology.  People often focus on a slight risk that hits their fears, and as a result they ignore a greater risk which outweighs it.  Like people who drive long distances because they're afraid of a plane crash.  Even though they're far safer in a plane than a car, the risk involved with a plane just seizes hold of their mind, and they ignore the much greater risk of driving.  

          Nobody deserves poverty.

          by nominalize on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 10:52:51 PM PST

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          •  The assessment is roughly akin to the fear. . . (1+ / 0-)
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            . . .of a plane crash.  The idea of it intensifies the reaction causing fear far in excess of the proximity of danger.  Driving a car is far more dangerous, but the illusion of control reduces the fear.  Owning a gun gives you the illusion of control, in exchange for endangering anyone around you.

            If we are going to elect Democrats, lets elect real ones!

            by waztec on Thu Dec 12, 2013 at 09:33:52 AM PST

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        •  The English of 1789 is not today's English. (0+ / 0-)

          "to keep and bear arms" did not at all mean what people today take it to mean; it was about armories and carrying weapons into battle:

          http://www.nybooks.com/...

  •  Oh please ... (19+ / 0-)

    From #8, the story which gives this diary its title:

    The incident occurred at 11:30 a.m. when the man returned to his vehicle in the Lowe's parking lot after shopping at Lowe's and was placing his handgun into a holster. Somehow the gun went off, shooting the man.
    I hate to make the old joke but ... I really thought that guns don't shoot people, only people shoot people.

    "Somehow?"

    It's not that difficult to figure this one out. He absentmindedly kept his hand on the trigger while he was reholstering the weapon. That's why you have to train people not to do that.

    For more fun read the short comments section, where one poster claims to be an eyewitness and thinks this guy was defamed.

  •  Is it just me, or does this cop ... (8+ / 0-)

    ... not seem to be making any sense?

    From #18

    “This was a Glock handgun. The magazine was removed but there was a round in the chamber and they didn’t realize it,” said Fitch. “Glock is one of the few guns that will fire without a clip in it. The best thing is to treat every gun as if it’s loaded.”
    I will leave it to last week's participants in the great clip vs. magazine debate to figure what this means for that. And give Deputy Fitch points for repeating Cooper's First Law (yes, I had been getting the colonel's name wrong for months, as it turns out. My bad), which the police should insist on being quoted saying in every report of a negligent discharge.

    But ... this is a classic "forgotten round" accident, and we've seen these happen this year with just about every type of handgun. Either there's an awful lot of Glocks out there (well, there are, but not to this extent I would suspect), or the deputy doesn't know what he's talking about (And he's a police officer in Texas! No excuse!)

    And ... duh? Won't any weapon dry-fire? How could you check the action without firing if it didn't?

    Can someone explain what he might have been trying to say?

    •  I think he is trying to say that most semi-auto (1+ / 0-)
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      pistols have a mechanism that won't let them fire if the clip/magazine is removed.  I have no idea if that is actually the case as I am no gun expert.

      You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

      by Throw The Bums Out on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 06:08:11 AM PST

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    •  "clip"? "CLIP" ???? "CLIP" ??!!??!! (5+ / 0-)
      “Glock is one of the few guns that will fire without a clip in it.
      Obviously this guy is an uninformed gun-grabber who is too stupid to talk about guns, and should just sit down and shut up and leave the discussion to informed people who know all about guns, like, uh, Chief Deputy Sheriffs.

      (snicker)

      In the end, reality always wins.

      by Lenny Flank on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 03:44:35 PM PST

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      •  Clip? Magazine? Tomato? Tomahato? The guy is (1+ / 0-)
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        still shot by a weapon that apparently neither party cleaning the weapon knew how to use properly.  Handguns are not that complex.

        And it feels like I'm livin'in the wasteland of the free ~ Iris DeMent, 1996

        by MrJersey on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 04:04:32 PM PST

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    •  It is called a magazine disconnect. (0+ / 0-)

      Many firearms today provide a feature that prevents the firing pin/striker from contacting a round in the chamber if the magazine in not in the firearm.

      In my view, that's a very worthy safety provision, although many gun enthusiasts don't care for it.

      Many accidents would be avoided if they employed magazine disconnects.

  •  This is what makes me scream. (10+ / 0-)
    Regrettable but has little to do with us or the people we know who have guns.

    Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

    by 88kathy on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 08:19:46 PM PST

    •  Bingo. (11+ / 0-)

      And oh how they howl when they are reminded of their callous indifference towards the rest of us,  but there it is.

      "Goodnight, thank you, and may your God go with you"

      by TheFern on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 08:39:04 PM PST

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    •  You have to understand, I come from the fact (3+ / 0-)

      based community, this diary is from the anecdote based community, which are also facts but can be misleading.

      There are roughly 200 firearm fatalities that occur outside the home every year. If every single one of them were a hunter that would be about what 1.5 per hundred K? About the firearm homicide rate of Utah. Fatalities with firearms while hunting are just amazingly low.

      For a young minority guy living in a very poor neighborhood in a big city I'll bet the fatality rate is around 50 per 100K. Now that is a tragedy. Every fatality is avoidable and a tragedy, but I worry about heart attack and the drive to go hunting, and I worry about young guys of color who aren't give a fair shake (in my opinion) at this life.

      “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

      by ban nock on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 08:52:17 PM PST

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      •  second paragraph should read (3+ / 0-)

        200 accidental firearm fatalities etc

        “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

        by ban nock on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 08:54:34 PM PST

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        •  The homicide rate for gang members is high. (0+ / 0-)

          I don't consider that a reasonable reason to infringe on the liberties of innocent Americans.

          But interesting use of stats.
          1) Take a high risk & criminal element.
          2) Use a stat only from that subculture.
          3) Using only that stat, suggest applying restrictions on the entire population
          4) ????
          5) CATCH PHRASE!

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 03:38:59 PM PST

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      •  My favorite statistical comment. (7+ / 0-)

        First rule of statistics
        Whenever you break out some cohort in a sample, the means and median shift.

        The CDC is, right now, compiling statistics on child mortality rates and guns. What is the death rate for children per 100,000 in homes with guns as opposed to the death rate for children in homes without guns. I wonder which it will be closer it to the 4 in 100,000 or the 3,000 per 100,000.

        Why is it easier to buy a gun than it is to register to vote in most states?

        by 88kathy on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 09:51:10 PM PST

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      •  I should say that I ... (3+ / 0-)

        ... differentiate hunting accidents from the other types of incidents collected here. Anyone who goes out into the woods with a long gun, knowing that there are or may be other people in the same or nearby woods with guns also, all of them planning on shooting at some large game or other, is knowingly assuming the risk of getting shot in a way that you're not when you go to the kitchen window to do the dishes.

        Hunting accidents should be reported here because they are, after all, unintentional shootings, but they largely count only in the total of unintentional shootings and are more reflective of trends in hunting safety or the lack thereof than they are of common gun-safety knowledge generally.

        •  If there was any reflection on trends in hunting (2+ / 0-)
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          safety it would tell a success story to be replicated. Down from what, around 3K total a hundred years ago to less than 200 today. A halving of the number of deaths due to firearms while hunting in the past thirty years. In my state more are killed by lightening and we have twenty five percent of the elk that exist in America, people come here to hunt from everywhere.

          “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

          by ban nock on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 05:25:04 AM PST

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          •  How many less hunters today than 100 years ago? (1+ / 0-)
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            Maybe less deaths because of cell phones, improved off road transportation, and advanced medical treatment of gun shot wounds in the last 100 years.

            How many wounded 100 years ago v today?

            Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

            by 88kathy on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 08:29:54 AM PST

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          •  Between you and me ... (0+ / 0-)

            ... we could do worse than making everyone who wants a gun get a hunting license as well. They'd have to take a gun-safety class then ...

            •  the hunter safety course I took in Pennsylvania (1+ / 0-)
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              kurt

              when I was 12 was actually very good.

              Today, in Florida, you can get a concealed carry permit with one afternoon of "training" and firing ONE shot (it doesn't need to be your gun, and there is no requirement to actually hit a target).

              In Florida concealed-carry permits are issued by the Department of AGRICULTURE--not being a law enforcement agency, the Department of Agriculture does not have access to the NICS system and therefore Florida does not do NICS background checks.

              So one afternoon and one shot, and you get your permit to hunt down suspicious-looking black kids carrying Skittles.

              Keeping a crocodile or a venomous snake in Florida, by contrast, requires 1,000 hours of documented training over a period of at least six months, a one-million dollar insurance bond, a whole bunch of restrictions regarding the layout of the room and the required cages, and periodic housing inspections.

              In the end, reality always wins.

              by Lenny Flank on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 04:11:29 PM PST

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      •  I bet that is a fact. (6+ / 0-)
        this diary is from the anecdote based community
        I come from the fact

        based community

        For a young minority guy living in a very poor neighborhood in a big city I'll bet the fatality rate is around 50 per 100K.
        Yes, of course, the emphasis is mine.

        This better be good. Because it is not going away.

        by DerAmi on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 11:21:10 PM PST

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        •  You are a regular wit (2+ / 0-)
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          and you add to the discussion.

          “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

          by ban nock on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 05:25:48 AM PST

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          •  You pulled 50 out of 100,000 from where the sun (2+ / 0-)
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            don't shine, no research, no link.

            RkBA is a 'common knowledge' based community from my understanding. I have heard more than twice that links need not be supplied for common knowledge facts.

            Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

            by 88kathy on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 08:32:14 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  that's why I should never ever break my rule of (0+ / 0-)

              do not ever respond to any comment whatsoever made by 88, she comments in bad faith.

              “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

              by ban nock on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 12:00:23 PM PST

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              •  I know it feels like I trapped you. I never (1+ / 0-)
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                expected you to say that you felt those in inner cities don't concern you. I never expected you to be that far off in your estimation of the carnage that is going on where you would rather not look. Maybe I should have kept it to myself. Maybe.

                I have always found myself shocked by the RkBA opinions and ideas. But thanks for the fish boilerplate, anyway.

                1. Improper storage of a gun - loss of physical possession of the gun - no matter the outcome - loss of privilege gun ownership for many many years.

                2. Improper handling of a gun - gun discharged inappropriately - no matter the outcome - loss of privilege gun ownership for many many years.

                Limiting of gun kill speed
                Limiting of gun ownership speed.

                Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

                by 88kathy on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 04:09:41 PM PST

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              •  Pot meet kettle. Just a little bit a self (0+ / 0-)

                reflection might go a long way here. It's comical you would accuse someone else of commenting in bad faith, especially about guns.

                "If you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing!" (on a sign at a Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans)

                by ranger995 on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 04:11:46 PM PST

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      •  this is reporting not science. (4+ / 0-)

        They don't pretend to be science either.  This is just a summary of the news.  How is story after story about how people aren't safe with firearms not relevant to the debate about the arming of America?  

        You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

        by murrayewv on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 03:09:15 AM PST

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        •  It's similar to a summary of people killed by (2+ / 0-)
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          pianos landing on their heads. Anecdote.

          “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

          by ban nock on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 05:18:58 AM PST

          [ Parent ]

          •  but the CDC.... (4+ / 0-)

            is now empowered by President to start really investigating this after years of being forbidden by congresspersons who caved to the NRA.  So the data you are evidently longing for to tell you that keeping a a firearm carelessly in the home results in child deaths and injuries will be coming soon.  Not just anecdotes.  What a relief that will be for you.

            No children die in the homes of the people without firearms, unless some firearm owner brings them in and then acts carelessly.  so there is that too.  But soon the research will arrive and then of course, you will all change your minds.  I await the day (snark of course).

            You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

            by murrayewv on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 05:50:34 AM PST

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            •  most of the numbers are already there, but you (2+ / 0-)
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              don't want to look at them.

              The likelihood of any child dying due to firearm accident for instance. You won't touch that one with a ten foot pole. Or how that number compares to death by freezing, or drowning, or falling.

              Whoah no, don't go there.

              “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

              by ban nock on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 06:50:54 AM PST

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              •  seriously.... (2+ / 0-)
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                this is a case of willful misunderstanding of how public health works.  Do you think public health folks don't try and prevent freezing and drowning and falling deaths?  Do you think they can't do anything about prevent firearms accidental deaths until all those other deaths are stopped first?  Or that there is even a single solution?  All the numbers ARE out there.  If you have a child in the house, you should consider not having a firearm.  If you do have a firearm, it should be unloaded and locked up and the ammunition separately stored and locked up.  And if you leave a loaded firearm around where your child can reach it, you should be charged with child abuse.

                The New York Times did a study similar to Gun Fail and showed that there is tremendous under-reporting of firearms accidents and deaths by children.  This is in part because the deaths are sometimes reported as homicide because of negligence and sometimes as accidents- very inconsistent data.  The under-reporting was by 50%.

                My prediction is that the numbers are increasing as the number of firearms increases.  All those new firearms owners are not universally very skilled or safe, and aren't buying expensive gun safes and locks to keep their kids safe.

                Learn a little about public health and you might be surprised how many more children will live to adulthood.

                You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

                by murrayewv on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 08:09:52 AM PST

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              •   'likelihood of any child dying due to firearm (3+ / 0-)
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                accident' when the child lives in a home with guns or a child's close relatives have a gun.

                The CDC is compiling that number.

                I'm not so sure you will want to look at that one.

                Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

                by 88kathy on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 08:37:01 AM PST

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              •   I go there - published a diary about the on Sunda (0+ / 0-)

                in case you care to be informed.

                "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

                by LilithGardener on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 04:14:43 PM PST

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          •  And you have links to those anecdotes. (3+ / 0-)
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            It's not similar at all. Unless 200 people a week are killed or injured by falling pianos.

            Now they have the 2nd (safety net for sloppy) Amendment, and can't be infringed to actually treat their gun like a gun and not a video game controller.

            by 88kathy on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 08:34:09 AM PST

            [ Parent ]

          •  Yeah (0+ / 0-)

            because having a piano land on you and kill you is exactly the same as getting shot by an idiot.

      •  You come from the arrogant prick community. nt (0+ / 0-)
  •  Seriously (8+ / 0-)

    I imagine what it must be like for the family to have to deal with this.  Imagine if you're the children of one of these people who accidentally shoots themselves and dies.  

    Streichholzschächtelchen

    by otto on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 08:34:45 PM PST

    •  Imagine we took their gun away..... (1+ / 0-)
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      fined them and made them do community service preaching firearms safety and telling their high schools and churches about their tragedy.  We do that with drunk drivers.

      You shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you mad. Aldous Huxley

      by murrayewv on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 03:11:28 AM PST

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  •  all responsible gun owners™ (17+ / 0-)

    right up until the moment they were not

    Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
    Drop by The Grieving Room on Monday nights for support in dealing with grief.

    by TrueBlueMajority on Tue Dec 10, 2013 at 08:46:32 PM PST

    •  All innocent people (0+ / 0-)

      right up until the moment they were not.

      Perhaps you should start pushing to get rid of that whole "Innocent until proven guilty" thing.

      Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

      by FrankRose on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 03:43:40 PM PST

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      •  responsibility is a different thing from guilt n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      •  huh? (0+ / 0-)

        i have no idea what you mean

        Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
        Drop by The Grieving Room on Monday nights for support in dealing with grief.

        by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 04:44:36 PM PST

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        •  Saying "all responsible gun owners are responsible (0+ / 0-)

          until they are not" is the same as stating that "all innocent people are innocent until they are not"

          So it would seem we do have something in common: I have no idea what you mean by your statement.

          Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

          by FrankRose on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 04:55:22 PM PST

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          •  "another responsible gun owner" is a tag line (3+ / 0-)
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            that has been around left blogistan for a while.

            i was referencing that line.

            so many of these people who end up in the gunfail diaries think of themselves as responsible gun owners, even though they do crazy irresponsible things.  they are able to kid themselves that they are responsible gun owners only because nothing bad has happened yet from their irresponsibility.  but then when it DOES happen, their irresponsibility is revealed.

            so I don't see how that is the same as "all innocent people are innocent until they are not", unless you mean a guy who only thinks of himself as innocent because he has not been caught yet.  that's the kind of "responsible" gun owner the phrase applies to.

            Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
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            by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 05:13:00 PM PST

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            •  Stating "all responsible gun owners are (0+ / 0-)

              responsible until they are not" is a nonsense statement that exists solely to imply that all gun owners are just an accident waiting to happen.

              In much the same way stating "all innocent people are innocent until they are not" implies that all innocent people are just a criminal waiting to happen.

              If you don't want an actual dialog & prefer foolish caricatures based upon nothing but ignorance, please continue.

              Otherwise, nonsense statements are simply......ya know.....nonsense.

              Your statement leads me to believe that you can be a reasonable person, but what you just said is utterly unreasonable:
              Seriously, you are claiming you 'don't mean everybody' when you literally said all responsible gun owners in your initial statement; that kinda leads a person to think you are talking about....ya know....all responsible gun owners

              Dude........"all"=everybody.

              If you prefer what Kos has described as 'mosh-pit style comment threads', then what you said is something that can lead to a mosh.....and that's cool.
              But if you prefer the actual conversation, that statement isn't the way to do it.

              Me? I'm good either way.;)

              Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

              by FrankRose on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 06:01:14 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

              •  you are the one saying (1+ / 0-)
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                "all responsible gun owners are responsible until they are not".   those are your words, not mine.

                i think we are having a comprehension fail here.

                let's go back to the original post you objected to, and put in the words that were understood to be there by everyone who is already familiar with the tag line I used

                [the people who are referenced in GUNFAIL diaries are] all responsible gun owners™ right up until the moment they were not.

                "all" in that context does not equal everybody everywhere.  "all" only refers to the people in the GUNFAIL diaries.

                perhaps you misunderstood because you did not know the tag line, which is frequently used here and elsewhere.

                you are arguing against an all-inclusive reference that I did not make, and you are the only one who thinks I made it, because you are not familiar with dK jargon.

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                by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 06:14:08 PM PST

                [ Parent ]

                •  did anyone else misunderstand what I meant? (1+ / 0-)
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                  Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
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                  by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 06:15:45 PM PST

                  [ Parent ]

                  •  No. (0+ / 0-)

                    And neither did I.

                    "an all-inclusive reference"
                    Yeah. That would be the word "all".

                    "you are not familiar with dK jargon"
                    Oh sure. Especially on the gun issue.

                    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                    by FrankRose on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 06:27:04 PM PST

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                    •  oh right now i remember who you are (1+ / 0-)
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                      you see what you want to see

                      this is what I meant to say, and what i actually did say, expanded on to make it easier for you to understand:

                      all of the people referenced in GunFAIL diaries are so-called "responsible gun owners" right up until the moment that they are not.

                      there.  does that clarification help you understand what was meant?

                      this kind of obtuse literalism, that needs to have the entire meaning of a well known phrase spelled out every time, is its own punishment.

                      i suppose you complain about the missing words whenever people use the new "because" construction also?

                      I'm giving up on this conversation now.

                      Because threadjacking.

                      Politics is like driving. To go backward put it in R. To go forward put it in D.
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                      by TrueBlueMajority on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 07:19:51 PM PST

                      [ Parent ]

                      •  Very well. (0+ / 0-)

                        "Threadjacking"
                        You should join FLAP.
                        You'll be a good fit.

                        Until then, we will both see the political & objective reality of this issue that is beyond DK.
                        Good luck with that.

                        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

                        by FrankRose on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 07:42:47 PM PST

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          •  People can be responsible for an action ... (1+ / 0-)
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            ... without being guilty of it. For example, while hundreds were guilty of the crimes of Nazi Germany, thousands more were responsible for them.

            And guilt is a legal term; responsibility is not. Calling that guy irresponsible is an opinion we are allowed to have based on what may indeed be a limited set of facts; you can't suggest it's equivalent to calling him "guilty" (although you are making a valid point when you suggest that maybe we don't know everything). To pretend otherwise is to be censorious.

    •  And guns dont kill people.... (1+ / 0-)
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      until they do.  
      I love the passive voice, like the gun went off, the gun discharged, etc...

      "Searches with nonspecific warrants were ‘the single immediate cause of the American Revolution.’” Justice Wm. Brennan, referring to the 4th Amendment

      by Nailbanger on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 04:07:01 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Yeah, but what about all the millions (4+ / 0-)

    of people who handled guns last week and didn't get shot? Huh? HUH?

  •  Appreciate your diligence on this, as always, (16+ / 0-)

    David.  Thank you.

    We are, as a nation, far too accepting of gun tragedies.

  •  Thank you, David. nt (5+ / 0-)

    Be kind, for everyone you meet is fighting a hard battle.

    by Joy of Fishes on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 02:30:34 AM PST

  •  This needs to happen in most "gun accidents" (6+ / 0-)
    A New York man was charged Tuesday with reckless conduct as a result of a shooting Nov. 23 involving a handgun police say he accidentally fired into his hand, with the same bullet injuring an adult female.
  •  Add Lantz Corner PA to the list (2+ / 0-)
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    where a man shot himself with a rifle at the local Nittany Mini Mart  on 12/7 and of course the gun was not loaded!

    •  Lantz Corner? Is that Central PA as I am not sure (0+ / 0-)

      I have heard of that town and after living in PA ..all over the state and in a lot of small towns and rural areas, I have come to the point where I recognize town names.

      Nittany mini mart..does that mean it is near Penn State or the branch campus?

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      by wishingwell on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 03:43:30 PM PST

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  •  it's called... (1+ / 0-)
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    thinning the herd. live by the gun, die by the gun. a month of sandy hooks won't change a thing.

    especially since these recalled cribs have been involved in at least 32 infant and toddler deaths.
    http://pediatrics.about.com/...

    kill a child with a crib and see outrage, not so much with a gun.
    tung sol

    There is a fine line between genius and insanity. I have erased this line.--Oscar Levant

    by tung sol on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 06:55:47 AM PST

  •  I never used to worry about my husband working (3+ / 0-)
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    retail until he started telling me about all the customers who come in with a gun in their holster and some customers throw fights, issue threats, and get very irate.

    I have started to worry that some crazed customer will get upset and start shooting clerks and other customers in a store.

    Of course, these shootings can happen anywhere, that is the problem. But my sister being a teacher for 30 yrs and my husband in retail, I now worry equally about both. I know the odds are very very  against anything happening but one never knows.

    People have told me I am nuts to be concerned about school violence and other shootings as they are so rare but   there sure are a lot of shootings that are not mass shootings and accidental shootings happening every day in this country.

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    by wishingwell on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 03:40:52 PM PST

  •  I am not sure of your point (0+ / 0-)

    So.....some people can't handle a gun, so we all must surrender ours, so we can all be, wait no you had some stories in their about people who were not supposed to have guns.  Odd, that someone would break the law like that.

  •  Accidental death rates (per year) (0+ / 0-)

    Motor Vehicle: 42,000
    Poisoning:       39,000
    Falling:            25,000
    Fire:                  2,700
    Choking:           2,500
    Drowning:         2,000
    Firearms:             600

    Accidental death from Fire is over four times as common as accidental death from Firearms.
    Motor Vehicle is SEVENTY TIMES the rate.
    Poisoning is Sixty-Five Times
    Falling Forty-One Times
    Choking Over Four Times
    Drowning Over Three Times.

    Accidental rate of death from firearms is extraordinarily low.

    There is a reason why 'GunFAIL' is anecdote.
    The fear-mongering desired doesn't work with the facts.....or with anyone with so much as a passing knowledge of firearms.

    Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

    by FrankRose on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 03:57:02 PM PST

    •  So we'd have to exclude ... (0+ / 0-)

      ... that deputy sheriff in that story from Shepherd, TX, then?

      •  Nope. (0+ / 0-)

        Especially seeing as how, statistically, that officer has seen SEVENTY TIMES more accidental deaths from motor vehicle.
        65 TIMES more deaths from poison
        41 TIMES more from falling
        Over 4 times more from choking
        Over 4 times more from fire
        Over 3 times more from drowning.

        But you did illustrate an excellent example of 'argument by anecdote'.....in a diary that uses, exclusively, anecdotes.

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 04:17:30 PM PST

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    •  You might want to find a link that doesn't say ... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... something like this at the same time:

      Firearms are the second-leading cause of non-natural deaths for kids, typically from a gun the kid finds somewhere around the house ... About two-thirds of accidental shooting deaths happen in the home, with the kid shooting himself to death in 45 percent of the cases and friends or family members pulling the trigger in the remainder. More than 50 percent of American households have a gun in the house, and, in one survey of evidently careless families, 10 percent said they had loaded firearms in unlocked locations that were easily accessible to kids. There is obviously a need to keep guns in locked, inaccessible and child-resistant locations and store them unloaded.
      Emphasis mine
      •  GunFail deals with accident. (0+ / 0-)

        If you would like the accidental death rate for children:
        Not a problem
        Motor Vehicle: 8.1/100,000
        Suffocation:      1.5/100,000
        Drowning:       1.3/100,000
        Poisoning:      1.2/100,000
        Fire:                0.7/100,000
        Firearms:         0.2/100,000

        Just to eliminate any confusion, this means:
        OVER 40 TIMES more minors die from motor vehicle.
        OVER 7 TIMES more from suffocation
        OVER SIX TIMES more from drowning
        SIX TIMES more from poisoning
        and
        THREE AND A HALF TIMES more from fire.

        0.2/100,000 is extraordinarily low.

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 04:32:49 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  What's your point? (0+ / 0-)

          Are you claiming that the death rate is low enough that we do not need to lower it further? Are you saying we should not even be discussing this? Do you really mean to imply that these deaths are acceptable?

          IMHO, These gunfail diaries have been the best, most effective response to the RKBA propaganda machine ever to appear on Daily Kos. They really do bring out the best in that little club.

          Who defends unnecessary death? RKBA defends unnecessary death.

        •  But if we wanted to compare gun and ... (0+ / 0-)

          ... say, car-related accidental deaths of children fairly with gun-related accidental deaths, we'd compare only those accidents that reflect a similar degree of adult/caretaker irresponsibility:

          Gun accidents that result from kids firing weapons left unsecured and accessible nearby, or in spaces regularly used by them (something not completely captured by "accidental deaths of children", since the life an accidentally armed child takes may be an adult's), with ...

          Car accidents where kids have been able to start the vehicle and operate it, or gain partial control of an operating vehicle left unattended (full disclosure: According to my parents I did this myself at the tender age of three—managed to deactivate the parking brake with the car on a gentle slope and myself and my infant brother in it. Fortunately my father managed to catch up to it and hit the brake). For now we'll leave out the deaths of children left in hot sealed cars, although they, too, result from negligence, since unlike deaths from accidental shootings they take time to occur and can be averted if someone pays attention at the right time.

          So, can you break these statistics out for us for a more evenhanded comparison?

    •  It's (1+ / 0-)
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      no accident when a gun kills, that is what it is designed and intended to do. An accident is unintentional. So your argument is nothing but blatherskate intended to obfuscate the truth. Also known as a lie.

    •  can you compare those to the number of people who (1+ / 0-)
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      are killed by strangers who break into their home with the express intention of killing them?

      Ya know, that thingie that you are, uh, defending yourself against?

      Thanks.

      In the end, reality always wins.

      by Lenny Flank on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 04:26:07 PM PST

      [ Parent ]

      •  for extra credit, can you compare these to (0+ / 0-)

        the number of Americans who are killed worldwide by international terrorists per year?

        Ya know, that thingie we just spent over a decade and two trillion dollars fighting to stop?

        In the end, reality always wins.

        by Lenny Flank on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 04:29:35 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

      •  The only thing I am defending is the current (0+ / 0-)

        liberties of innocent Americans.

        But I assume you are talking about Defensive Gun Uses:
        No problem.
        " National Survey on Private Ownership and Use of Firearms, NSPOF, conducted in 1994 by for the Police Foundation on a research grant from the National Institute of Justice. NSPOF projected 4.7 million DGU per year by 1.5 million individuals after weighting to eliminate false positives."

        As for your next question:

        for extra credit, can you compare these to the number of Americans who are killed worldwide by international terrorists per year?
        There is a comparison. Namely, the utilization of fear-mongering in order to encourage infringing on the liberties of innocent Americans.
        I'm against it.
        You should be too.

        Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

        by FrankRose on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 04:48:02 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  nice evasions, Frank. (1+ / 0-)
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          If I refer to a magazine as a "clip", would you answer my questions then?

          (snicker)

          In the end, reality always wins.

          by Lenny Flank on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 05:16:48 PM PST

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        •  You know Lenny meant ... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... the numbers for "home invasion" crimes, y'know, the ones that are wildly speculative at best and downright misleading at worst, manipulated even further to sell alarm systems and ... guns.

          •  yes, Frank knows that. and he knows why I mean (1+ / 0-)
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            that.

            Ask Frank how many times I have remarked that most people who break into your house want your TV, not your life, and if you just let them have your TV, nobody gets hurt--only to have Frank or one of his compadres wave their arms and tell me all about those vicious groups of people who break into houses intending to kill all the strangers inside, so we need high-capacity CLIPS CLIPS CLIPS (snicker) to fight them all off.

            I usually end by concluding that people who live in fear of being killed by a stranger breaking into their house are just paranoids who are peeing their pants over something that virtually never happens--and then Frank and his compadres  HR me for "making a medical diagnosis" (snicker).

            In the end, reality always wins.

            by Lenny Flank on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 06:06:37 PM PST

            [ Parent ]

            •  Mind-reading. Talking about me. (0+ / 0-)

              Some sort of blather about TVs.
              Arm waving.
              Something about CLIPS, in ALL CAPS, of course.
              Makes a medical diagnosis.
              Denies making a medical diagnosis.
              Cries about nonexistent HRs.
              A pointless & painfully unfunny (snicker) to top off his..........whatever the fuck that was.

              Way to really take it over the top, bro.

              Those who would sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither.

              by FrankRose on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 06:33:59 PM PST

              [ Parent ]

        •  Frank - the irony of what you posted... (0+ / 0-)

          and what you, apparently, don't want to admit to, is how much fear-mongering you, the NRA, and others in your camp are also doing.

          You WANT everyone to fear home invasions, all the "criminals" with guns, the black kid in the hoodie eating skittles...

          More than that, my guess is you not only WANT people to be afraid, you NEED them to be afraid, because it will then reinforce your view of the world, which is "We all NEED to be afraid of... (fill in the blank.)"

          I'm not saying one shouldn't be cautious or concerned.  I am saying we shouldn't be afraid of anything.  I am saying that when fear advances in people, rational thinking usually disappears.

          The problem with fear is that most ignorant people blame their feelings of fear on people and situations outside themself.  In reality, in almost all cases, the fear people feel is already part of that person's personality, part of the their attitude and the way they look at life.

          It's been written that life is 5% what we make it, and 95% how we learned to take it.  You appear to base your view of life on a learned fear of others, a learned fear of the unknown, a learned fear of anything that isn't normal, a learned fear of anything out of your control, a fear of whatever.  

          In your case, and in the case of everyone like you, what you are always doing is looking for someone else, or something else, to blame your fear on.  You are looking for other people to ratify your fear, and then support you in your desire to blame your fear on things outside yourself.  

          As long as you blame everything outside yourself for your fear, nothing will ever change.  Instead of looking at the basis for your fear, and working to change and control yourself, you will always be trying to change and control others.

          And you are not alone.  The NRA would have NO TRACTION WHATSOEVER if there weren't a lot of people in this country, and in the world, who live inside their own fear-based point-of-view.  It's the fear a person feels that sets up the attitude "You're either for me or against me."  In your world, and in the world of everyone like you, everything becomes black and white.

          Because you are so convinced of the "correct-ness" of your fear-based point of view, you lack the ability to say "I might be wrong."  Ironically, it's the people who are unable to admit to the possibility that they might be wrong, who are afraid to learn anything new.  They might, then, have to change their point of view.  

          To all zealots, death is preferable to changing their point of view.  And that is what makes all zealots the same, no matter what they are zealous about.  None of them wants to give up their fear-based point of view.  

          I could be wrong, but I suspect that includes you.

          The more a person understands themself, the less they look for others to blame for their emotional responses.  I am not afraid of your, apparent, ignorance of yourself, but it does concern me, as does everyone else's ignorance.

          I'm reminded of what Shakespeare wrote.  Something about a coward dying a thousand deaths, but a hero only once.

          As I said, I could be wrong, but that's for you to figure out.  I wish you good luck and courage.

  •  Open Thread re Gun Purchase Waiting Periods (0+ / 0-)

    Purchase a Gun? How Long Is the Wait? And Why?
     

    Word graphic for gun purchase waiting period.
    Word graphic for gun purchase waiting period.  Version 7

    "They did not succeed in taking away our voice" - Angelique Kidjo - Opening the Lightning In a Bottle concert at Radio City Music Hall in New York City - 2003

    by LilithGardener on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 04:00:42 PM PST

  •  Fat Chance any Conservative will learn from this (1+ / 0-)
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    Every Gun Nut is a hero in his own fantasy.

  •  One more: (4+ / 0-)

    With the Decision Points Theater, the George W. Bush Presidential Library becomes the very first Presidential Library to feature a Fiction Section.

    by Its the Supreme Court Stupid on Wed Dec 11, 2013 at 04:04:54 PM PST

    •  Add three more from Indianapolis. Shooting of 14 (0+ / 0-)

      year old seems to be gang related, the 16 year old was shot by a friend showing off his new gun.  Never you mind that the shooter was on probation for drug use which meant he was not to have any firearms.  But the shooting/killing which bothers me the most is the killing of the three-year old.  Official reports and parents claim the baby pulled the trigger himself, so no one else was responsible.

  •  In #1, sounds like a learning experience (0+ / 0-)

    I applaud the shooter for recognizing that they acted unsafely and determining to promote better gun safety not only for himself but in the community. That seems unusual; most of the people involved seem to shrug it off as "things happen, I didn't mean it, no problem."

  •  Data source ? (0+ / 0-)

    I have a friend who does data analyses in her job. She creates visualizations of data. She is interested in finding data for the number of children killed by guns vs the number saved by someone using a gun. Is there a central source for this data? And could you please point me towards it if there is one? Thank you.

  •  Best Gun Column Ever (4+ / 0-)
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    One of the reasons I recently joined the Daily Kos community is so I could tell David Waldman this is the best feature I've seen for battling the gun nuts. And that is because it addresses something that is never supposed to happen with guns; carelessness. It also proves beyond doubt that we have more gun rights in this nation than we've got gun sense and responsibility to go with them.

  •  I can add another one to the list. Breaking news, (1+ / 0-)
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    today at noon, Jacksonville, Fl.  A man at the police gun range shot himself in the leg!  He has non life threatening injuries.  It was not a cop, think I heard it was a security guard.  Even the reporter had trouble keeping a straight face on this one.  One would think a person shooting at the police gun range would know how not to shoot ones self in the leg!

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