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More on "embracing the suck," from Wired, on Thursday…

Facebook’s ‘Deep Learning’ Guru Reveals the Future of AI
By Cade Metz
12.12.13   6:30 AM

New York University professor Yann LeCun has spent the last 30 years exploring artificial intelligence, designing “deep learning” computing systems that process information in ways not unlike the human brain. And now he’s bringing this work to Facebook.

Earlier this week, the social networking giant told the world it had hired the French-born scientist to head its new artificial intelligence lab, which will span operations in California, London, and New York. From Facebook’s new offices on Manhattan’s Astor Place, LeCun will oversee the development of deep-learning tools that can help Facebook analyze data and behavior on its massively popular social networking service — and ultimately revamp the way the thing operates.

With deep learning, Facebook could automatically identify faces in the photographs you upload, automatically tag them with the right names, and instantly share them with friends and family who might enjoy them too. Using similar techniques to analyze your daily activity on the site, it could automatically show you more stuff you wanna see.

In some ways, Facebook and AI is a rather creepy combination. Deep learning provides a more effective means of analyzing your most personal of habits. “What Facebook can do with deep learning is unlimited,” says Abdel-rahman Mohamed, who worked on similar AI research at the University of Toronto. “Every day, Facebook is collecting the network of relationships between people. It’s getting your activity over the course of the day. It knows how you vote — Democrat or Republican. It knows what products you buy.”

But at the same time, if you assume the company can balance its AI efforts with your need for privacy…

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UPDATE: 12/17/13, 3:00AM EST...

As we learn from a piece from June at (see link in blockquote, below), “About a year after Facebook reportedly joined the NSA's PRISM, Max Kelly, the social network's chief security officer left for a job at the National Security Agency, either a curious career move or one that makes complete sense.”

The Wire then informs us that, “The Chief Security Officer at a tech company is primarily concerned with keeping its information inside the company.”

In and of itself, this is somewhat of an eye-opener (some might even refer to it as a key Facebook employee doing a "round trip" through the infamous U.S. government "revolving door"); however, the following three paragraphs in the article are…well…how should I say this? Hmm…I think “alarming” might be a good word. But, judge for yourself…

Facebook's Former Security Chief Now Works for the NSA
Rebecca Greenfield
Jun 20, 2013 9:40AM ET

…Facebook, among other tech companies, has distanced itself from the government, claiming it only cooperates when it is legally required to. But, "current and former industry officials say the companies sometimes secretly put together teams of in-house experts to find ways to cooperate more completely with the NSA and to make their customers' information more accessible to the agency," report the New York Times's James Risen and Nick Wingfield.

Before Kelly — who once worked at the FBI — took the job at the NSA, he indicated a coziness with the government. Three weeks after leaving the network in 2010, he made a speech at the Defcon hacking conference that argued greater cooperation between places like Facebook and military defense. "Commercial entities and the military are dealing with the same problem,"  he said. "They should both understand their roles in the larger picture. There isn’t enough information shared." There he was more specifically addressing cyber-attacks from places like China, which as he predicted has turned into a national security issue. But, his speech also indicates that he thinks these two, at times opposed, industries should work together.

It's unclear what Kelly exactly does at the NSA — he might have a job that has nothing to do with PRISM. Though, the Times report suggests the feds recruited him because of his Silicon Valley ties…


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As noted in a similar story in the Daily Mail, over the weekend…

Facebook wants to become your new best friend by knowing everything about you - and it's going to happen whether you like it not…

…LeCun said the new artificial intelligence lab would be the largest research facility of its kind in the world, though he declined to provide numbers.

…The lab will be based in three locations -- New York, London and Facebook's headquarters in Menlo Park, California…

Let’s stop right there.

No! Hell, no!

As the Electronic Privacy Information Center (E.P.I.C.) notes, and as excerpted farther down, below, we most definitely cannot assume that Facebook “can balance its AI efforts with your need for privacy.”

As Wired reporter Cade Metz noted in a related article, a week ago…

…Facebook has not said where, specifically, it intends to take its deep learning research. But the company clearly sees this work is a big part of its future…
What could possibly go wrong? Ummm...pretty much, everything.

And, here’s just about everything you need to know about Facebook and privacy, from E.P.I.C. (Readers, please note, I’m excerpting just the first three items on an E.P.I.C. web page that contains scores, if not hundreds, of related stories about Facebook and their privacy policies. I highly recommend a read of their web page.)

…Latest News/Events
•    Facebook Removes Crucial Privacy Setting for Users’ Names : Facebook has begun removing a privacy setting that allowed users to opt-out from their name being included in its “Graph Search” feature. All users, even those who had previously decided to remove their name from searches, will now be included in Graph Search results. Facebook is currently under a 20 year consent decree from the FTC that requires express affirmative consent from users before disclosing personal information which exceeds the restrictions imposed by users' privacy settings. Facebook announced the change last year, at which point EPIC warned about the consequences of Facebook removing privacy settings for its users. In 2012, EPIC sent a letter to Facebook requesting a reversal of policy changes that automatically shared users’ private information. For more information, see EPIC: Facebook and EPIC: In re Facebook. (Oct. 11, 2013)

•    Pressure Mounts on Facebook to Withdraw Proposed Changes, New Scrutiny of "Faceprints": Facebook is under increasing pressure to withdraw proposed changes that would allow the company to use the names, images, and content of Facebook users for advertising without consent. After EPIC and several privacy groups wrote to the Federal Trade Commission that the changes would violate a 2011 Consent Order, the Commission has opened an investigation. Senator Ed Markey also wrote to the FTC, stating that Facebook's changes "raise a number of questions about whether Facebook is improperly altering its privacy policy without proper user consent and, if the changes go into effect, the degree to which Facebook users will lose control over their personal information." Senator Al Franken has called on Facebook to reconsider expansion of its facial recognition activity. In a letter to Mark Zuckerberg, Senator Franken asked "How many face prints does Facebook have?" For more information, see EPIC: Federal Trade Commission and EPIC: Facebook Privacy. (Sep. 13, 2013)

•    EPIC, Privacy Groups, Urge FTC to Block Facebook Policy Changes: EPIC, joined by several leading privacy and consumer protection organizations, has called on the Federal Trade Commission to enforce the terms of a 2011 settlement with Facebook. Facebook recently announced changes that would allow the company to routinely use the names, images, and content of Facebook users for commercial advertising without consent. The changes arise from a flawed class action settlement over Facebook’s Sponsored Stories program. In the letter, the privacy groups explain that Facebook’s changes violate the terms of a 2011 settlement with the FTC. For more information, see EPIC: Federal Trade Commission and EPIC: Facebook Privacy. (Sep. 5, 2013)

•    EPIC Pursues Public Release of Facebook and MySpace Privacy Reports…

Yes, let’s see what happens as so-called Democrats double down on Facebook’s political censorship, their record-breaking invasion of personal privacy and their blatant disruption of free thought. That's been working out so well for us, of late....

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  •  Yet another reason to stay off Facebook... (11+ / 0-)

    ...and I have a jaundiced view of AI.

    Several years ago, when the City of Chicago was working on implementing "intelligent transportation systems" on its traffic signals, I subscribed to a new magazine called AI Journal. My thought was that maybe artificial intelligence could be useful for taking traffic surveillance information and making adjustments in signal timing and operation.

    Well, the magazine lasted less than a year, and three years after I retired the City is still futzing around with traffic control systems, mainly becuase of several transfers of the Signal Section between two departments, and a lack of staff to deal with the actual work.

    Yeah, what could go wrong? Bad Santabot?

    Float like a manhole cover, sting like a sash weight! Clean Coal Is A Clinker!

    by JeffW on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 05:33:47 PM PST

  •  Fortunately, Google bought up (8+ / 0-)

    all the killer robots.  Separate company.  I feel safer already.  

    •  What is your point? (3+ / 0-)
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      CenPhx, DeadHead, triv33

      I see a .gif.  What's your point?  What's your counterargument?  

      •  The point is stop concern trolling us (2+ / 0-)
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        Young people willingly use the Internet, and enjoy doing so. It employs us. We are well aware of its inherent lack of privacy, mainly from our parent's generation raising us with that wisdom. We accept those terms and conditions, to use today's parlance.

        •  oh, well now that you're all grown up, grasshopper (2+ / 0-)
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          DeadHead, aliasalias

          Perhaps you're not "well aware" of the implications, after all.

          All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

          by subtropolis on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 10:04:24 PM PST

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        •  Thanks for your concern trolling (3+ / 0-)
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          aliasalias, triv33, Don midwest

          about concern trolling.

          Apparently you're the spokesperson for all young people.

          ALL young people are in the know, and they ALL don't want to be concern trolled by this diarist.

          I sure hope they ALL know you've accepted those terms and conditions on their behalf.

          Now, do you also speak for everyone who isn't "young," as well?

          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

          by DeadHead on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 10:53:56 PM PST

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          •  The Kosrage is high on this one (2+ / 0-)
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            ericlewis0, doroma

            Lately, select members of this community get a strong case of Kosrage for seemingly insignificant reasons. You're free to mark my beliefs as naive, but a lot of young people, myself included, simply do not care about Internet privacy. I don't speak for all the youth, but I posit a poll would prove me right. For the life of me, why is it so hard to understand that fact? Not just you personally, but all the people who don't trust the Internet.

            I bet a bunch of Kossacks were crazy Y2K believers, too. Seriously, ugh.

    •  Do you think information gathering (5+ / 0-)

      and political power are disconnected?

      Or is it you trust the businessmen and political authorities to always be watching out for you?

      Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

      by Jim P on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 08:06:03 PM PST

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  •  When I get insomnia, I often turn to see what (5+ / 0-)

    weirdness is playing on cartoon network late night.  A night or two back was an anime movie called 'summer wars' I think it was.  About a rogue AI that was wreaking havoc on a Japan that had put basically everything online.  It was screwing with every utility, mucking up traffic, you name it.

    If somebody does come up with AI, it might not matter a fig whether or not you're a facebook user.  You might need to be completely off the grid and self-sufficient to stay mostly untouched.

    •  There an old saying in AI research (7+ / 0-)

      before we get Artificial Intelligence, we must first produce artificial stupidity.  I think we are just beginning to see artificial stupidity become a reality.

      On another note.  Of the things I worry about, Facebook AI is way down on the list...for the simple reason that Google is fucking years ahead on that one.  

      One of the little things that Google has done (partly for their translation services) is scan every fucking book they can get their hands on.  Translation is the first step of Google's AI plan.  All that said, Google AI still sucks.  As proof, log onto googke and look at the ads they suggest for you.  Most of the time they are stupid. are where google makes a shit-ton of money.  Any advances in AI will first show up in their ad selections.

      The AI apocalypse is coming, but for right now it doesn't look like much more than keyword searches.

      "Empty vessels make the loudest sound, they have the least wit and are the greatest blabbers" Plato

      by Empty Vessel on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 05:55:49 PM PST

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    •  like all those non-fb users being tracked as well (1+ / 0-)
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      Anyone who visits a site with embedded fb code -- login, comments, whatever -- is being tracked to some extent.

      It's kinda like a vegetarian succumbing to some bug brewed up over decades of rampant antibiotics abuse in the meat industry.

      So thanks, everyone for doing your part in making Facebook what it is today.

      All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

      by subtropolis on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 10:15:08 PM PST

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  •  If you live your sorry ass life ... (0+ / 0-)

    through an artificial existence on Facebook, it's only fitting that someone bring some artificial intelligence to the process to try and make sense of that world.

    You're not going to amount to jack squat! - Matt Foley

    by glb3 on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 05:52:12 PM PST

  •  AI development is crucial to many technologies (7+ / 0-)

    …and the US is lagging -- which is neither here not there.

    Also, it is an inevitable factor in the conscious evolution of the human species. If artificial Intelligence moves fast enough, it could allow humans to "see" the outcomes of their daily actions -- such as massive climate change. And see it is such a deeply personal way as to help them buy-in to necessary change.

    Facebook is a social experiment, anyway. It's always been nothing but a lab. The people who participate there are getting something important out of it by connecting interactively with others, particularly family. For them, it enhances their lives.

    If you want to be part of the human lab, join Facebook. There is nothing anonymous about it. You are examined from every possible angle. It's not a passive place. It is active and interactive.

    If you have an aversion to being a lab rat, stay away.

    But you will never be able to stop that particular future. AI may be the only hope for a future, at all.

    •  Pluto, in a society... (7+ / 0-)

      ...where this country can't even pass stricter gun control legislation after an event like Newtown, and in a Party that simultaneously claims it advocates for climate change while supporting matters such as the Trans-Pacific Partnership, I have to say this about your comment: Seriously?!?

      Yeah, let's let a company like Facebook develop the keystone population profiling analytics for us!?!? Let's have FB create the AI programs that will identify pre-crime. The DoD and the NSA are very much onboard with this strategy. And, I'm sure President Chris Christie will be in favor of this, seeing as how Zuckerberg is bankrolling his candidacy.

      Yes, Facebook is the Democratic Party's friend! NOT!

      What they are is, for all intents and purposes, the new Lockheed-Martin. And, Google is the new Raytheon, and so forth.

      Yes, far too many, even here, are fully onboard with this meme.

      So, where's the regulation? Facebook's skirting of regulations makes JP Morgan Chase look like a model corporate citizen!

      "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

      by bobswern on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 06:04:31 PM PST

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      •  You must appreciate where I am coming from. (5+ / 0-)
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        No one was more rabid and outraged by the NSA over-reach than I was.

        So, why would I be so pro AI development at Facebook?

        Apart from the fact that one is a rogue government agency with a blank check -- and the other is privately owned, accountable to shareholders?

        Can you figure this out?

        •  Pluto, support of rampant corporatocratic greed... (6+ / 0-)

          ...with "light regulation" (with a government providing lip service to the contrary to appease/mollify the masses) is no way to run a's certainly NOT a story that's going to end well.

          "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

          by bobswern on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 06:14:02 PM PST

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        •  Agree. (1+ / 0-)
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          The two data mining efforts are as different as they can be. Also, facebook is opt-in. Not opt-in by default, but by agreeing to it (or not) up front.

          I don't get to go to the nsa dot gov page and check the
          "don't follow me" box

          •  You obviously didn't read the E.P.I.C. portion... (3+ / 0-)
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            alx9090, aliasalias, gerrilea

            ...of this post if you're stating: "...facebook is opt-in. Not opt-in by default, but by agreeing to it (or not) up front."

            "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

            by bobswern on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 07:47:19 PM PST

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            •  But, if I don't use FaceBook (2+ / 0-)
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              how can they track me? Well, apart from incorporating data obtained from my ISP.

              I am a privacy advocate who supports EFF and EPIC. I was only half-serious about encryption and dead-drops in my earlier comment, but I do tend to avoid social media (not willing to make that deal, in general) and I advise others of what they are giving up by deciding to join those communities.

              Apart from the GOS, of course.

              Seriously, thank you for the diary. It is important to have these discussions.

        •  Power is Power. Shareholders Are Owners (2+ / 0-)
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          not labor or consumers or average citizens. Either government or corporations can oppress.

          We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

          by Gooserock on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 06:36:54 PM PST

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        •  I appreciate where BOTH of you are coming from (3+ / 0-)
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          thanks. Peace.

          “Vote for the party closest to you, but work for the movement you love.” ~ Thom Hartmann 6/12/13

          by ozsea1 on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 06:54:50 PM PST

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        •  The sticking point would be 'how (0+ / 0-)

          are government and corporations significantly different in the world we have now?'

          Seems the gov can get full cooperation or backdoor access to damn near any corporation they want to. Hell, even Chinese hackers can, and identity thieves have never been so happy.

          Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

          by Jim P on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 08:16:29 PM PST

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      •  So lets just destroy all technology then bob? (1+ / 0-)
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        Name a technology and I can come up with a way the faceless nameless surveillance state can use it to spy on you/make your life miserable.

        What they are is, for all intents and purposes, the new Lockheed-Martin. And, Google is the new Raytheon, and so forth.
        I'm sorry, this is laughable. Facebook and Google create weapons of war to kill people?

        When we stop putting leaders from the past up on pedestals and ignoring their flaws, we can start seeing our present leaders for what they really are.

        by PhillyJeff on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 06:52:27 PM PST

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      •  Who would you rather have doing it? (2+ / 0-)
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        Someone's going to do it, and the only people with big enough resources and a big enough pool of raw data are the government and companies like Facebook.

        Unless you're saying "no AI development ever," I'd like to know which organization you would like to be in charge of developing it, which has the kind of resources necessary.

        "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

        by JamesGG on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 06:52:43 PM PST

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    •  The Sun might choose to stop that (0+ / 0-)

      particular future any day now. In fact, even without AI, scientists can predict, are predicting that sooner or later it will.

      I look at Facebook etc more as part of the drive to infantalize the population. Visits, phone calls, and hand-written letters take time, which adults can spend, but children cannot.

      And Artificial Intelligence or not, GIGO rules. If the humans programming have an immature understanding of real life and values-formation and character, the AI ain't going to 'understand' any better.


      Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

      by Jim P on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 08:13:59 PM PST

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  •  The bigger problem here is that (1+ / 0-)
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    Facebook has been using this unprecedented amount of data to better understand us for years already. They are now way ahead of the rest of science in their understanding of human psychology. And they're keeping all they've learned a secret, only using it as a tool to basically hypnotize the world. They are unstoppable because they know our next move before we do. This is one reason I'm very bullish on their stock.

  •  At its heart (4+ / 0-)
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    At its heart this is what is behind the growing wealth gap in America. Really, you ask?

    Facebook, WalMart, Google etc use your online information which they "steal" for free. They use this to better target you as a source of profits (to sell you stuff, or sell your info so others can better sell you stuff). They are able to manipulate you better than Pavlov could ever manipulate his dogs, because they know everything about you.

    They know more about you than you know about yourself, because to them this is a game (business) that they play to win, and because it is a game they know how to cheat. You the poor grunt are generally unaware of what is being done - except that you are always living paycheck to paycheck, if you are lucky..

    It is an unfair fight. They have the resources, the research, the AI geniuses ... and you have ... well. next to nothing to fight back with, and that thing you once had, privacy, now does not even belong to you any more.

    This will not end well.

    There's room at the top they're telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill

    by taonow on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 06:02:04 PM PST

  •  Just remember. You are not Facebook's customers. (7+ / 0-)

    You're their product.

    •  That However is True of All Commercial Media (2+ / 0-)
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      which is why the free press concept works just about oppositely to what was intended. If anybody's got a sane and helpful replacement their proposal isn't in wide circulation.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 06:40:21 PM PST

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    •  Television in the U.S. has worked under that (1+ / 0-)
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      principle for ages now.

      "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

      by Lawrence on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 07:14:54 PM PST

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      •  And look at the results. We actually have (1+ / 0-)
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        people who deny science in key governmental positions; while it's been shown time and again that TV watchers view the world as more or less violent depending on how much tv they watch. And we've an obese child epidemic from fast-food and sugar-filled craps commercials.

        Actual Democrats: the surest, quickest, route to More Democrats. And actually addressing our various emergencies.

        by Jim P on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 08:21:28 PM PST

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        •  I don't think that that can fully be blamed (2+ / 0-)
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          on teevee, but I agree that it is a bad model for television to be dominated like that.

          The best shows are produced on HBO, where the product is sold to the audience and the audience isn't the product.

          That can only be done because HBO has a large subscriber base that pays money, though.

          Imo, a publicly owned Facebook or a subscriber owned Facebook may be a viable model for the future, but people are going to have to be willing to pay for it in one form or another.

          Facebook is different from Teevee, though, as the content is mostly generated by the users directly and it's not a pure entertainment program.

          "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

          by Lawrence on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 04:05:16 AM PST

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  •  Coming soon: Terminator Wars. (5+ / 0-)
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    Facebook AI vs Google robots vs Amazon drones.

    The thing about quotes on the internet is you cannot confirm their validity. ~Abraham Lincoln

    by raboof on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 06:42:24 PM PST

  •  Well, hell. (0+ / 0-)

    Aren't we about due for the Singularity? I always thought it would be Unca Google, of course....

  •  I just assume.. (12+ / 0-)

    any intelligence at Facebook is artificial.

    The USA and the rest of the world face a dangerous enemy that not only threatens our freedom but our very existence. This enemy is deeply embedded within society and is actively working towards our annihilation. That enemy is ignorance.

    by Ex Con on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 07:05:22 PM PST

  •  Because Zuckerberg wants the internet to be free (2+ / 0-)
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    bobswern, alx9090

    Bob, why do you hate our freedoms?

  •  There is no such thing as AI, those who "sell it" (2+ / 0-)
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    .... are techno-quacks. Those who pay them for it as idiots, desperately in need of some AI because they don't have any of their own.

    Nothing in that "science" is any more than a sophisticated macro in a database program.

    The creepy part is we have as a society put so much personal info into the hands of databases that these sophisticated programs to leverage the data for nefarious purposes pretty much own our asses.

    The collective information about us, that we have put on FB and other social media are so extensive that any program implementing algorithms derived from some good old fashion deductive reasoning, can figure out just about anything about any of us.... and of course sell that knowledge to someone who might find it useful.

    The depth and breadth is wider than say, the NSA recording all meta data (yes, the conversations too) on our cell phone use over the last 10+ years already tells them WHERE we were, roughly, at every moment in the last 10 years.

    Your cell phone, pinging towers left a trail of breadcrumbs about your travels for the entirety of the last 10 years. All the NSA has to do, now that the data is in a database, is analyze it. By triangulating the time data from multiple towers they can be VERY ACCURATE as to your exact location.

    Here's a hint.... do not bring your phone with you when you commit a crime. :)

    The FB/Twitter/etc information you have left is far more varied but also far more DEEP covering so much of your thoughts that it makes the potential database analysis almost PSYCHIC, able to "read your soul".

    The databases must be DESTROYED, deleted, burned, EMP'd ultimately. We have unknowingly stepped into a twilight zone episode and for our own safety and personal rpivacy and security, we as citizens need to demand and assure these data collections are utterly destroyed.

    You are on the verge of losing your individual identity with so much known about you by so many. You become merely a node in a giant social construct, and nothing more.

    What would Ben Franklin and Thomas Jefferson do? Yep, break out a big hammer and smash that shit to bits.... merely on principle, because they inherently know better than to trust this much information about yourself to anyone but yourself.

  •  2 concern troll diaries about FB in 1 day? (3+ / 0-)
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    stellaluna, terrypinder, Skyye

    Why I never!

    Look, there's an easy solution: people of the world, if you are too scared/paranoid/whatever to use Facebook/Google/Amazon/whatever then simply don't. I think in this day and age it would be exceedingly difficult to abstain from any and all tech, but if you really feel the need, go right ahead.

    Again, most Millennials don't care about digital privacy because we were raised without an expectation of having any. Yes, we want privacy in our homes, love lives, and the like, but when it comes to our digital lives, we self-censor and learn from example.

    All those young people who post photos of themselves getting drunk and high and then wonder why they got fired? Yeah, the majority of us don't do that! So please spare us the concern trolling about how all the evil corporations are gonna use our data to spam us with propagandized ads.

    We grew up with the Internet. We enjoy it, it employs us, it keeps us connected to middle school friends who moved away, sometimes it helps us find love. We accept the terms and conditions, to use today's parlance.

    •  Yes, you just said that upthread. (1+ / 0-)
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      We realize you were conceived, born, and raised on a server somewhere.

      Your yawnsplaining is better suited to phenry's diary.

      Thanks for speaking on behalf of "the majority of young people," because every one of them are just like you.

      Concern trolling about diaries you perceive to be concern trolling is still concern trolling.

      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ J. Garcia

      by DeadHead on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 11:08:26 PM PST

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    •  you don't represent my children, that much (0+ / 0-)

      I know for sure and I'm not sure where the rest of your official duties as spokesperson come from.

      without the ants the rainforest dies

      by aliasalias on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 12:09:54 AM PST

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    •  Mattc129 (1+ / 0-)
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      I appreciate your perspective, it sheds a light for me I hadn't considered.  I hadn't considered the natural environment differences.

      We need however to have all perspectives and potentials considered and discussed.

      Thanks again for your perspective, even though it is still a great concern for many, given the will of our current governing body and the results it has produced.  

      Balance is Key

  •  oh dear (0+ / 0-)

    So, please tell me again, dear reader, why you are still using fb.

    All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

    by subtropolis on Mon Dec 16, 2013 at 09:58:23 PM PST

  •  *shrug* (0+ / 0-)

    AI won't be real or usable anytime soon. I can beat the AI in every game I play. Not a concern.

    Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility (not an original but rather apt)

    by terrypinder on Tue Dec 17, 2013 at 04:35:58 AM PST

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