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I have been a long-time reader of the Daily Kos and have never created my own diary before. I guess I never had anything worth saying or maybe I was worried that it wouldn't be well received. Reading the headlines these last few months has made me decide that I don't want to watch the death of this country go by without trying to find a solution. So, I decided to write this diary in hopes of creating a conversation that we can all get behind and create a unifying idea of how to undo the damage caused by the years of Ronald Reagan. I'm not talking about his politics or his economic policies. I'm talking about he made most of America view the poor and homeless. One of his most famous quotes,

"You can't help those who simply will not be helped. One problem that we've had, even in the best of times, is people who are sleeping on the grates, the homeless who are homeless, you might say, by choice."
He used this quote to defend his administration from charges of callousness on their treatment of the poor and homeless. He encouraged the majority of America to view people on Welfare as shiftless layabouts who do nothing but lay back and collect money off the backs of the government. This is why he enacted the California Welfare Reform Act in 1971. The biggest result of this "reform" was that now the welfare system was transitioned to "workfare", where there was no such thing as a free lunch. Reagan went on to use welfare in his Presidential Campaign to further divide the nation by introducing the concept of the "welfare queen". He gave this quote at speeches all across the country,
"She has eighty names, thirty addresses, twelve Social Security cards and is collecting veteran's benefits on four non-existing deceased husbands. And she is collecting Social Security on her cards. She's got Medicaid, getting food stamps, and she is collecting welfare under each of her names. Her tax-free cash income is over $150,000."
Due to this one example, millions of Americans grew up believing that all African-Americans who were on welfare were like this, "eating steak and driving Caddies". It's a stereotype that further served to widen the gap between the 1% and the 99%. His goals were no less than to undo the Great Society programs of the 1960s. But how to do it? How to convince an America that believed in each other and in helping their fellow man that it was in their best interest to not care about that anymore? More below the orange squiggle.

It was simple. You start by bombarding people with talk radio and media that will help to warp their minds. Enter Rush Limbaugh. Who is Rush Limbaugh? Let's be real here, folks. Rush Limbaugh is a man who dropped out of college, was fired from four radio stations, has been divorced multiple times, is severely obese, has drug problems, and is severely insecure. So, with all of that, why is he so successful? He appeals to the bad seed in every human being and pulls it out and nurtures it and helps it grow until it can stand on its own. He was so successful at this that even Ronald Reagan called him

"the number one voice for conservatism in our country."
Okay, I can understand that people have a bad streak and he appeals to that, but does that explain how he keeps them? Is his audience full of redneck hillbillies and trailer trash and militia? A little. However, the vast majority of his audience is white men, who are businessmen. You could pass them on the street and not notice anything different about them. But, what about the rest of his 20 million listeners? How does he keep them? Enter Fox News. Fox News, as we all know, is the media wing of Australian media baron Rupert Murdoch, the same Rupert Murdoch being investigated right now for his office hacking into the phones of the Royal Family of England. He created a media news network that panders to Rush Limbaugh's audience and allows them to live in a self-contained bubble of superiority so they can look down on their fellow man without feeling bad about it. Their media network constantly assaults Democratic positions on social issues and routinely gives Republicans a dedicated forum to express their views in a supportive framework that allows no disagreement on their position. This helps unify their audience, essentially turning them into a hive mind of voters who all vote the same way on issues. This is why they still have power and why it is so hard to fight their influence today. Mainstream media has given Republicans a pass on asking the hard-hitting questions that journalism used to demand. Instead, because corporations have reduced the number of media outlets by merging them together, we have less opportunities for our voices to be heard by mainstream America.

So, I ask you this, Daily Kos members. What do we do to turn the tide? How do we reverse the balance and bring back sanity to a country that is slowly going the way of Rome? How do we get people to start viewing the homeless as people and no longer as things? How do we get everyone to realize that the economic policies being enacted are not helping us? That the sequester and austerity are a failed measure?

We need specific ideas. We need bold ideas. Even crazy ideas. I'm for any idea that could help us turn the tide around. Obviously, we're not going to be doing anything crazy, like kill all the billionaires, politicians, lawyers, or bankers. However, we need bold ideas that go beyond "elect better politicians" or "start more petitions". It's a fundamental question that most likely will have a lot of answers, but we need to decide which answers we want to support and move forward with those answers. Right now, we are floundering and the only ones getting ahead are conservatives. We keep fighting this battle and fighting this battle. However, we aren't thinking ahead. We just keep reacting to each crisis, instead of planning ahead. We have two excellent Senators right now who are for the people: Senator Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. We have Democrats in Congress who believe like we do, but there's not enough of them. Obviously, we have to elect more. There are over a hundred progressive groups throughout the country. There are over a thousand conservative groups in this country, all with large financial backing. If we develop a plan of attack that has approval from our members, perhaps we can take that idea to other progressive groups and get them to see the benefits behind it, and join forces with us. Then, we can be unified. Everyone knows the more people you have, the stronger a force you are.

My idea for this is something I can do, just on my own. This will not include the work I do for groups. I'm going to create a Podcast. As often as I can, this podcast will attempt to get interviews from progressives throughout the country; not just Senators and Congressmen, but Governors, Mayors, regular business owners, and even common citizens. This is phase one. This will help introduce the fact to people watching the podcast that throughout the country, there are people who think just like them and are in their same social or economic circles. This will help them realize that the policies being introduced are not just created for the poor or "the takers" and will benefit them as well. Phase two is to produce segments showcasing segments of social injustice and the inequality gap between the 1% and the 99%. Not only will this prove to any of the well-off people who watch this show that there is a dramatic gap between the two, it will also help galvanize the poor and middle-class into action, by inciting them to start their own petitions, protests, or by voting for their own policies to support their beliefs. As any scientist worth his salt knows, while you may have science on your side, unless you can sway their hearts and minds, you don't have a chance of winning their support. The third phase is to raise awareness of racial injustice, derision of equal rights, and instances of these violations by Republicans throughout the country. If you want to make yourself effective, you have to constantly hammer on people when they do something wrong or say something racist. It's like when you constantly discipline children every time they do something wrong, because otherwise they would never learn. If you want to prevent violations by the police, such as being shot for running away or being shot simply for knocking on someone's door while being African-American, you need to bring this up in the social conscious every day. You need to channel the same disgust and outrage that Rush Limbaugh and Fox News bring to their programs and use that for the right reasons. You also highlight stories of people doing the right thing to reintroduce the concept that America is a community and not a country of isolated people. We are a melting pot and we have to remember we are a community, which helps bring us closer together. Finally, the last phase will be to introduce segments highlighting the poor and homeless, bringing them up close and personal to the viewers, and documenting their stories of how they live and how they became poor, showing that it wasn't just "bad luck", like Republicans claim. This will help to humanize them and show them as people and change them from being an "it" to being a "her" or "he". Studies have shown that once you view the homeless as people, it is much harder to criticize them for trying to survive. Then, you close with a moving quote from an inspirational leader, and hopefully, we have a successful movement to change the way we think.

There will be more on this idea to come later, when it is fully fleshed out. I am going to run a campaign on either Kickstarter or Indiegogo to help finance the podcast for the interview costs for travel expenses and such. In the meantime, if anyone has any other ideas for how to put the country back on the right path, please, I'm all ears. We need help.

Originally posted to Seanryan on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 10:59 AM PST.

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  •  I take my hat off to you. Good luck. nt (16+ / 0-)

    Might and Right are always fighting, in our youth it seems exciting. Right is always nearly winning, Might can hardly keep from grinning. -- Clarence Day

    by hestal on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 11:10:52 AM PST

    •  Amen (13+ / 0-)

      I won't say that it doesn't matter what someone does, as long as they DO something, but that's almost true.

      It took a long time for the fifth column of Republicans to worm their way into control of the media and our government: from the mid-1970s to now. They made a huge number of serious errors along the way. But they kept trying crap until something worked (money), and then they worked that something to death.

      We can (cliche alert!!) take back our country in a lot shorter time simply because a) we're right, b) we're pro-American, and c) our philosophy works for all Americans.

      There's also this ephemeral thing: most people are good, and Liberalism is based on that.

      Congratulations on DOING something. Be persistent.

      That's what all DK readers need to do.

      A Southerner in Yankeeland

      To save your life and our country, read "Pity The Billionaire" by Thomas Frank, and "Winner-Take-All-Politics" by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson. Then read more books.

      by A Southerner in Yankeeland on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 01:28:44 PM PST

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      •  Ahh, but (7+ / 0-)

        the problem with your thoughts on winning are what I always thought about winning. Sadly, it's not enough to be right. Look at the story of evolution vs. creationism. If it was enough to be right, creationism would be a done deal. Instead, there was just a major flap over Texas trying to get creationism included in textbooks. Being right is not enough these days. Look at Republicans. Are they right? Hardly. Yet, they have so many followers? Why? Because they make people feel the threat and make them feel like they are all part of the same family.

        What do we have? We have Democrats, we have Progressive Democrats, we have Independents, we have Liberals, we have Progressives, we have environmentalists, we have the Occupy Wall Street Movement, and we even have Wall Street Democrats. What do they have? They have Republicans and the Tea Party. Uhhh, does anyone see how unified they are, in comparison to our movement? No wonder they are able to speak with a stronger voice and collect more money! We divide our voice among all our groups so that when we do speak out, we are a thousand voices all clamoring to be heard in the darkness. The Republican party can speak with one voice when it needs to!

        I will agree with you that most people are good, but the problem is is that good only takes you so far. Even good needs a helping hand. Like religious people say, "Even God has angels to help." We need help. We need ideas!!!

        I think a really good idea I heard mentioned on here (I apologize, but I can't remember who it was) was that the Pentagon and the Department of Defense should be audited. That's a stand we should be getting behind with one voice! That could appeal on every level! I could picture the arguments for that. "Well, that would be a waste of time." "I thought you wanted to audit government agencies, Rand Paul." "I thought you supported reducing the deficit, Senator Cruz. Surely, you should support this! After all, we're not even asking for cuts. We're just asking for it to be audited. Why would that be wrong?" Democrats could line up around the block to support this position.

        That's an example of outside-the-box thinking we should be employing to get the country turned around. Once the audit is done and we know how much is spent there, then we can point to the DoD and say, "Why should we cut Social Security when there is so much pork in their budget? Don't you want to be fiscally responsible, Marc Rubio?" You put them on the offensive. Start talking about how America deserves better. That's how you get them thinking that your version of America is all of America.

        •  Excellent idea on DoD audit (0+ / 0-)

          I've long thought that the one government office that should be created is the Department of Accountability...

          Appreciate the history lesson regarding Reagan's damaging legacy.

          •  There have been efforts in that direction, (1+ / 0-)
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            but none of them seem to get very far for very long. The MIC is a constant drain on our economy, on a scale that most don't want to consider.

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            by peregrine kate on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 09:45:53 PM PST

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            •  but why? (1+ / 0-)
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              I think the problem everyone has in trying to attack the MIC is they want to attack everywhere at once and try and dismantle it all at once. Why not start small? Get the ball rolling and get unified on one issue? After all, they said filibuster reform was an impossible issue and thanks to this community and others, we made it happen. What would happen if we started pushing for an audit of the Pentagon and the Department of Defense? Just that and nothing else. No call to arms. No attacks on the MIC. Just a call for economic responsibility. As someone later commented, you can't win with facts when going up against the Fox News/Rush Limbaugh crowd. You need to win their hearts and minds. The Tea Party claims to be all about economic reform and governmental responsibility. Put the ball back in their court by demanding the audit and have them explain to their constituents why it's not a good idea. Whether we win or not, it's bound to cost them votes. In the long run, we win either way if we follow that route. I think I'll write a diary with my thoughts on this.

              "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

              by Seanryan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 02:27:58 AM PST

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        •  A Reply to But, ahhh.... (0+ / 0-)
          Sadly, it's not enough to be right.
          Which is why I listed other things as well. I've heard a lot of people using that refrain as an excuse not to do anything, except maybe throw their hands up in the air.

          DO SOMETHING is the point to take home. Coming up with clever out-of-the-box ideas is wonderful, but doing something with a mediocre idea is far more powerful. Far more.

          Clever slogans are fantastic, and I love to play with words and appreciate the power of a catchy, well pointed slogan. But if a person doesn't put the slogan on their bumper and don't carry it on a sign and use it in an email to their Representative and Senator, I think they're effectively doing nothing. Nothing.

          I, too, have seen a lot of cool ideas on DK and other venues. But unless the people who agree with those ideas in the comments (and those who read but don't comment) actually DO SOMETHING to promote the ideas nothing happens.

          For me, a simple schedule works. If you write/talk to these folks too often you become easy to dismiss. So email your Senator once a month of so; your Representative every two or three months; your newspaper every six weeks; News Directors the local TV stations every three or four months; advertisers on local radio stations twice a year; national broadcast networks twice a year; national cable networks twice a year; comment or post on various political web sites, progressive or not, on a daily basis (but only once a week on each one) and so on and on.
          And copy the General Sales Manager.

          All that stuff is seat of the pants. You don't even have to stand up to do it. You don't even have to talk to anyone.

          But while you're at it, google the local political party you favor and tell them you've never volunteered for anything and would like to help but you want to start slow. Ask what you can do.

          By the way, all the emails will make you an expert on a lot of topics simply because you'll want to know what you're talking (emailing) about. The more stuff you do, the more you learn, and the more you learn the better person you become....and the more able to argue your cause.

          That's a start.

          Don't even do it all; pick a few things and do them. Just be sure you DO SOMETHING.

          A Southerner in Yankeeland

          To save your life and our country, read "Pity The Billionaire" by Thomas Frank, and "Winner-Take-All-Politics" by Jacob S. Hacker and Paul Pierson. Then read more books.

          by A Southerner in Yankeeland on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 01:23:13 PM PST

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    •  Too bad the outage hit this diary. (3+ / 0-)
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      You got the right target. You're also not the first to identify Ronald Reagan as the key to America's descent to right wing demagoguery.

      What Americans think they know about Reagan is a fiction that the Ad Biz built to camouflage his presidency. The facts indicate a bumbling mess, stumbling from disaster to as bad as two mass murders in Lebanon.

      Today the GOP still sells the individual hoaxes together with a copy of the hagiography that built up for George Washington over the centuries.

      For example:

      "In the four years before we took office, country after country fell under the Soviet yoke. Since January 20, 1981, not an inch of soil has fallen to the communists."
      Well, that's absurd. The last country to go communist was Vietnam. and that was in 1975 when a Republican, Jerry Ford, was president. Jimmy Carter's war was in Afghanistan and the Soviets were losing that one.

      But it's an amazing lie. Teabaggers use this hoax today to damn Democrats.

      There's a whole helluva Hoax Herd thundering over the Plains. Just try to find a media comparison that links Obama/Libya with Reagan/Lebanon. Obama lost 4; Reagan lost 398 from the truck bombs alone.

      241 Marines have been removed from the standard corporate rewriting:

      Hoaxes 101: Reagan Losing 241 at Beirut in 1983 Didn't Happen No More

      Worst of all, Reagan using naval guns to slaughter Arab civilians on the outskirts of Beirut. 4,000 rounds of 5" shells in one barrage; hundreds of 16" shells a day at the peak. "Teach them a lesson" from Reagan. That savagery has also been erased:

      Hoaxes 101: Reagan Used Naval Guns to Kill 1,500 Lebanese. Now Those Murders Didn't Happen No More

      Reagan was a somewhat less lethal version of Nixon.

      That happens when you've got a sane Secretary of State in George Shultz. Nixon had the psychopath, Henry Kissinger. Nixon and Kissinger covered up internationally and supplied most of the weapons for Pakistan's slaughter of Hindus in what is now Bangladesh.

      They didn't like Hindus:

      "The Blood Telegram": When Republican Madness Killed A Million People

      Right Wing madness goes over to hoaxes where most sane folk would start collecting evidence and setting up some form of analysis.

      They're sociopaths. Consider GOP handling of the Palin nomination when they realized that she was a nut.

      The broad content of GOP propaganda goes to abortion, misrepresenting Reagan, and the prime hoaxes. He's their Founding Father, don'tcha know.

      HOAXES 101: How Structured Hoaxes Define the GOP

      And the reason that these hoaxes work so well combines simple repetition with a subliminal version of the voices that plague Schizophrenics.

      We all hear voices when we are asleep. Most of us will experience a dream conversation at one point or another where we have talk with a dead person. As early as the Romans that phenomenon was well known.

      HOAXES 101: How Structured Hoaxes Define the GOP

      How does it feel to be a Librul Baby Killer ???

      There's at least 50 hoaxes they've built up to corrupt our society. Thing is, these things are hoaxes. You fight them as hoaxes, you have a solid edge.

      •  Good point and well known (3+ / 0-)
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        that hoaxes work so well because of simple repetition. It's the same reason Fox News has been so successful. They keep repeating the same thing over and over, tweaking it a little each time until it becomes something completely different and no one notices the difference. This is how they change the minds of their viewers. You can't start with a completely ridiculous idea. You have to posit a normal idea, repeat it slightly changed, and keep doing it until it sounds like the ridiculous idea but makes sense now. It is truly effective. Monstrous but effective.

        "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

        by Seanryan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 04:28:12 AM PST

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        •  Repetition targets right brain functions. (1+ / 0-)
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          It's the emotional content, more rarely sticking outright fakery in there.

          The 1984 lie about Democrats losing whole countries to Communism is an exception. When they got away with that one, they realized that a major segment of American society was helpless -- for geography and history anyway.

          Hoaxes are their oxycontin.

      •  Brainwashing (1+ / 0-)
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        and propaganda - that is how the GOP has taken over our country.  AND when you try to be reasonable and use facts, the brainwashed don't understand.  Maybe we Progressives and other Democratic groups should go back and study the Cult Recovery Process - from the 1970's.

        Reagan's Mythical World - and now we are suffering the consequences over 30 years later.

        Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

        by Caniac41 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 08:00:48 AM PST

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        •  Or... (2+ / 0-)
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          amyzex, waterstreet2013

          why don't we fight fire with fire and use the same tactics on them? Just hammer them with the same messages over and over. Use the language they're used to to support our causes, but put it in their framework and apply it using emotion-based appeal. If it worked for them, why can't we do the same thing? We have been accused of it often enough.

          "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

          by Seanryan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 08:46:24 AM PST

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          •  That is a good plan too (1+ / 0-)
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            I always wonder why the DEMS don't have better MARKETING - because it is all the MARKETING message - 30 secs at a time.  That is what the other side does.  

            The money part is the worst to over come due to the evil doers (Koch, Murdoch, Art Pope here in NC) benefit from the GOP message whereas they lose power from the DEM message, or so they believe. I don't think they lose too much $$$ with the DEM message - and I am preaching to the choir as to why - less unemployment = more $$ in the pockets of the people who spend it .. ect.

            Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

            by Caniac41 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 09:25:09 AM PST

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  •  Progressives Have Very Little Access to Mainstream (10+ / 0-)

    voters and up to this point nobody's got a good plan to change that in a major way.

    Best of luck with what you're trying; sometimes some great ideas start very small and seemingly inconsequential. Getting progressive economic messaging out to the mainstream is the most important problem to tackle.

    We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

    by Gooserock on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 11:19:11 AM PST

    •  True, but (7+ / 0-)

      once upon a time, I used to be a mainstream voter. Then, I happened upon this site while I was on Facebook. If one person got converted because of a website, there must be hundreds more, or even thousands. Why can't the same thing happen with a podcast? As long as the messaging is being promoted to the same progressive sites, mainstream voters can be drawn in, slowly but surely. Once the money flows in, then targeted advertising can begin. Everyone says "Ignore the rich, they won't help." Bill de Blasio proved them wrong. You just have to find a way to reach them that they understand. He did it by reminding them of their forefathers and how they became rich. That inspired them to donate and switch to his way of thinking. Granted, not everyone hopped on the bandwagon, but if one person changed their view, that's one less rich person donating to conservative causes or Fox News.

      I say target the rich with the ads once you have a sizable base because you can lay ads in Forbes or Money Magazine, or other economic magazines with teasers like, "Find out what Bill DeBlasio is really thinking. Well, everyone knows Wall Street will want to know what he is thinking about, to help speculation in the markets. When they tune in, you make that one of the last pieces for the day, so they have to sit there and listen through all the pieces highlighting inequality and social injustice and compare it to their ancestors, so they feel sympathy. Maybe it works and maybe it doesn't, but we won't know unless we try. My favorite quote says it all about our present situation,

      "All that's required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke
    •  Bullshit. (0+ / 0-)

      Anybody here can set up an operation that spreads printed fliers.

      We go to work.

      We have social groups.

      That's how it's done. Think like an issues-driven Southern Baptist -- then get it done.

  •  Sean - good first diary (5+ / 0-)

    Now that you are registered I would encourage you to start commenting on other diaries on a regular basis. That's how the community can get to know you without all the time and effort required to post a thoughtful diary.

    "let's talk about that"

    by VClib on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 11:22:46 AM PST

    •  Good advice! (5+ / 0-)
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      I am of the old school that if you don't have anything intelligent to add to the discussion, that you don't say anything. Previously, I had opinions but nothing to say regarding those opinions. Everyone knows the link between opinions and orifices. Lol.

      However, I think that now, I will be trying to post more regularly. We have to be willing to have an open discussion about this and not everything can be "Blame the Republicans" and "Oh well." We have to be willing to get out there and do something about it. That will be the true test of whether this is a successful diary or not. If this diary goes mainstream or has a good discussion, then we'll know if the Kos community is united in what they want to do and have clear, firm ideas on how to do it.

  •  Thanks nt (4+ / 0-)

    nosotros no somos estúpidos

    by a2nite on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 11:39:00 AM PST

  •  Where is Serge Storms when we need him. (2+ / 0-)
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    Snark, of course.

  •  The difference between Republicans & Democrats (2+ / 0-)
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    Republicans = Bosons
    Democrats = Fermions

    the only thing we have to fear is fear itself--nameless, unreasoning, unjustified terror... FDR first inaugural address

    by blogokvetsch on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 12:30:09 PM PST

  •  this is a great diary (9+ / 0-)

    I totally agree with what you've said; I'd also add that let us never forget what St Ronnie did to the courts, the enviroment and to the people with HIV.  
    Please keep writing on this; it's something that I personally would feel called upon to help in some way.  

    I'm going to start writing a diary about an article I saw in the AJC today about Moral Mondays beginning in Atlanta in January.   We need to take back this country and yet we've got to think outside the box to do it.  

    sometimes the dragon wins

    by kathy in ga on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 01:11:36 PM PST

    •  Good point, Kathy (6+ / 0-)
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      JBL55, 4Freedom, NinetyWt, Matt Z, NM Ray, amyzex

      I agree with all the points you made about Reagan and his mad, bad policies. He decided to inflate the country with a huge deficit by his arms race with the Soviet Union and by convincing every American, individually, that to not have everything you ever wanted was to become somehow un-American. So, what should we do about it? Spend, spend, spend!!!

      The Moral Mondays spreading throughout this country are having a serious effect, but are being minimized by much of the mainstream media. However, it is a fantastic idea because it encompasses two of the great proponents of protest through non-violent methods, Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr., and combines them. Scott Walker in Wisconsin is feeling the heat right now for making up reasons to persecute the protesters by giving people tickets for "giving them a flower". How stupid do they look? Eventually, I think the country will turn, but I don't know if we have that much time, so outside-the-box ideas like that are great for calling attention to the cause. However, in all likelihood, most of mainstream America will dismiss them for "hippies, commies, or freaks".

      Putting the focus on their policies and giving a face to the poor is a great way to help end these policies. Running ads where they show Tea Party lawmakers making six-year-olds cry because they asked for immigration reform and they told them they will just lock up and deport their family, leaving them stranded here, is a great way to get people to the cause. Put a video of that, intersperse shots of people disembarking at Ellis Island, with a voice-over asking what would have happened if that had been their grandfather and grandmother that were locked up and deported. Get them to think for just a second in the shoes of the victim and you can get them to waver. Not all will do it, but maybe some will.

      Sometimes the dragon does win, Kathy, but remember, George slayed the dragon. Now, there are no more dragons. So, there's always hope.

      •  hearts and minds (2+ / 0-)
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        My own personal passion is for wildlife.  I have put in a lot of effort in talking Circles and LTE's and workshops trying to raise consciousness.  I also recently participated in a small online discussion group directly with the Defenders of Wildlife organization.  I know from feedback that I have received that I've personally opened the hearts of a number of people.  That has to be one of our approaches, yes it is outside the box and something that will happen very slowly, but if you can reach one person, they can reach someone else.  We've seen a lot of diaries here about people personally spreading the word about the ACA.

          Political movements, organized protests, getting financial support to help counteract the Koch brothers and their evil vision is probably the biggest part of the equation.  We need to use every tool in or out of the box and I personally think you're on the right path and hope that I can help you to expand my own voice.

        sometimes the dragon wins

        by kathy in ga on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 02:15:51 PM PST

        [ Parent ]

        •  Let's go (1+ / 0-)
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          on the offensive then. To win hearts and minds takes money. Sadly, that is something progressives don't have a lot of and conservatives have buckets of. But, we generally have more brains than them. Lol. I am a big fan of wildlife myself and am a big believer in not disturbing the environment. To me, Seattle is a perfect example of people living in harmony with nature. Yes, it may not be perfect, but the city does the best it can and it is a very green city. I wish I lived there. I love the rain. I will be starting my fundraiser for the podcast soon and hope that everyone will promote it and contribute so we can get everyone involved in making this country what it should be again, a place we can all be proud of. I would be happy to help you expand your own voice. That is one of the reasons I believe the Occupy Wall Street movement eventually failed. Everyone had their own agenda, but nobody wanted to be in it for the common good. Well, I'm in it for the common good.

  •  Excellent diary, Sean. Keep writing! n/t (4+ / 0-)

    "It's only the giving, that makes what you are." - Ian Anderson

    by LamontCranston on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 01:35:09 PM PST

  •  Start with something symbolic... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...like re-hiring the fired PATCO air-traffic controllers?

    "If you are still playing for Team Republican and want to have any honor whatsoever, you need to leave the Republican Party now, apologize to America, and work to remove it from our political system." - Brad DeLong

    by radabush on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 01:50:23 PM PST

  •  Here are a few ideas for different (9+ / 0-)

    future podcasts to focus on.

    To my way of thinking, there were four major things that Reagan did that this country has been suffering from ever since...virtually everything else falls under one of these things.

    Union Busting. By breaking the back of the Air Traffic Controllers union, Reagan helped start this country on a major decline in union enrollment (by demonizing unions nearly as much as he demonized the poor). We need to change perceptions so the public better understands that unions have been an overall benefit to this country and the working men and women who built it.

    Starving the government . The whole concept of trying to starve the government of needed funds by demagoguing on taxes and constantly seeking for more and more and more tax cuts of any kind, especially on the wealthy, was started under Reagan...and continues to this day.

    Consolidation of the military industrial complex. No president did more to consolidate the power of the military-industrial complex's oligarchs. And they've been strengthening their hand ever since.

    Politicizing the U.S. military. As someone who was in the military, take it from my first-hand knowledge of the fact that the moment Reagan became president, the U.S. military was turned into a virtually arm of the Republican National Committee. Nobody did more to politicize the U.S. armed forces than Ronald Reagan...and it continues to this day.

    Perhaps you can have a podcast or a series of podcasts devoted to each of these things.

    •  Excellent ideas! (5+ / 0-)

      Union demonization started when tales of Jimmy Hoffa and "leg-breaking" became well-known. The tide of public opinion started turning against them because instead of being synonymous with the American worker, they became known for corruption instead. Now, not all unions had this problem, but the few that did were exaggerated to the point that it became common-knowledge that "all unions" were corrupt. The unions need to change their name, hire a well-known public relations firm, and start aggressively campaigning for a better America to protect the workers.

      Starving the government has never worked. Look at Greece. The country went into austerity measures and the whole country is in shambles. It's a proven fact that countries that invest in social structure don't fall. Let's look at why. Say you cut Medicaid programs. Well, those people will still have to go to the hospital, but now the hospital won't get paid. So, what happens? The hospital has to close and all those workers get fired. Well, they then file for unemployment and food stamps and welfare, putting strain on the local government. Well, eventually the local government will run out of money. It's a fact. Those workers then have to get help and go to the hospital when they get sick, but they go to the next town over and start the cycle all over again, but they might decide to stay because there's jobs there, thus putting strain on that city's economy by depriving it of the jobs it had for it's local citizens. Thus, the cycle begins again. No country has ever benefited from cutting programs. Look at countries where they have invested heavily in social programs, such as Iceland and Denmark and Norway. These countries are leading the world in free education for their citizens. They have some of the highest literacy rates in the world. All of these things combined help to create success.

      Taxes balanced on the back of the poor do nothing but create more strain. There is always a push to close the loopholes, but until we get money out of politics, it is almost a Herculean task.

      As a veteran of the Armed Forces myself, I am well aware that we were indoctrinated to think like Republicans. It wasn't until I left the military that I learned to think for myself via politics.

      However, there is hope. We have two progressive Senators, Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders. We need more people to step up and run. That's where the crux of the matter is for elections. We need more progressives to run. Any ideas for that?

    •  you forget two of the most important....the (2+ / 0-)
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      selling of trickle down economics and the glorification of Wall Street and the financial sector, these have done more damage to this country than any of the others.  Their end result was the melt down of the economy and the enormous divide between the rich and the poor.

      •  Ahh yes... (2+ / 0-)
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        how could I forget the best two? These are the two that helped start the great divide, in my opinion. Trickle down economics is a charlatan con job, worthy of a carny shyster. "I'll tell you what, you get me rich as the boss and I'll pay you more!" I don't know how this even got off the ground. This doesn't even make sense. This is like adding up 2 and 2 and getting squirrel. Wall Street glorification has been done, not only by businesses, but also by the media and Hollywood. Who doesn't remember films like Wall Street, Pretty Woman, even? These films told us quotes like, "Greed is good!" and "Money never sleeps!" No wonder people grew up thinking Wall Street was smarter than the rest of us and knew what was best for us. In truth, they had no more clue than the rest of us and just kept getting richer for the sake of getting richer. That's the lesson to take from Wall Street. Here's a new quote. "Greed never sleeps."

        "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

        by Seanryan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 03:25:53 AM PST

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        •  The Wall Street motto is the same one used by PT (0+ / 0-)

          Barnum, "There is a sucker born every minute".  Remember that and you will have everything you need to understand about Wall Street.

        •  The movie "Wall Street" was supposed to show (0+ / 0-)

          the pitfalls of "greed is good." Instead, too many misinterpreted the message in much the same way that people misinterpret Springsteen's "Born in the USA" as some kind of pro-USA anthem, which is most definitely is not.

          •  Sadly, (1+ / 0-)
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            that is the problem with most of the programs on TV now and movies. The message gets lost or misinterpreted. Because of that, we now have a whole generation who thinks that that was the best film ever.

            "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

            by Seanryan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 04:29:59 AM PST

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      •  trickle down (0+ / 0-)

        economics falls under "starve the government," in my opinion...because...the entire premise of trickle down is to cut taxes, especially on the wealthy...starving the government of much needed funds.

        Trickle down economics should most definitely be a major part of the "starve government" campaign that was launched under Reagan.

        And the glorification of Wall Street and the financial sector falls under the consolidation of the military industrial complex. You're right, no discussion about the strengthening of this country's oligarchical military-industrial complex would be complete without a thorough look at the glorification of Wall Street and deregulation, especially deregulation of the financial sector which has been one disaster after another.

  •  Good point. (6+ / 0-)

    I think you've nailed the crux of the matter, which is that views that had been, pre-Reagan, ridiculed and dismissed (deserved so, of course) as crazy are now "debated" and discussed in so-called polite company as if they are legitimate.  People with sociopathic views of their fellow citizens now feel emboldened to inflict their views on the rest of us because they are being manipulated by cynical charlatans.  

    I applaud your podcast idea and wish you the best with it.  Please keep us informed on its progress.  

    •  Of course (3+ / 0-)
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      and now they call it having an enlightened discussion. They argue that not being able to discuss these issues once dismissed, such as forcing poor children to work for their school lunches, is being a closed-minded bigot. In reality, that is how they worm their way into your head because rational people think "Well, I'm not a bigot. What's the harm in listening? We can have a discussion."

      The problem with that is that once you discuss something once, it becomes okay to discuss it again and again and again until it becomes common and okay to mention in public. Then, it becomes commonplace. Then, it's not discrimination. Then, it's "being enlightened." Then, it transitions to "Traditional American values".

      Thank you for your support on the podcast. I will be initiating the fundraiser soon and will keep you all apprised of the outcome. Hopefully, we can make some effective and positive changes in this country.

  •  There have to ways to get messaging out that (5+ / 0-)

    aren't expensive.

    YouTube videos have wide exposure, as do posts on reddit and Imagur. You could start with taping yourself talking on the very valid points you raise and posting them on YouTube with links all over the place, including here. If we can get wingers to start thinking about what Reagan actually did to this country, maybe we can disengage them from the bad thoughts he helped implant.

    It will take time and work to re-route the Reaganomic message. But that message is so riddled with historic flaws that I believe it can be taken down.

    Journalism is printing what someone else does not want printed. Everything else is public relations. ~ George Orwell

    by 4Freedom on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 02:25:17 PM PST

  •  I appreciate your energy and enthusiasm (1+ / 0-)
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    for putting your shoulder to the wheel (or your voice to the microphone, as it were) in service of disseminating progressive messages. Welcome to Daily Kos!

    There are many, many world-class activists on this site who report on just the kinds of topics you mention as worth addressing. I think it's worth your time to look around, read widely, seek out people who are engaged with the topics that speak to you most. Just my two cents, but I always think we're stronger in groups. And, for that matter, it's not exactly for lack of effort that the messages that get circulated here are not widely dispersed through mainstream media.

    Welcome from the DK Partners & Mentors Team. If you have any questions about how to participate here, you can learn more at the Knowledge Base or from the New Diarists Resources Diaries. Diaries labeled "Open Thread" are also great places to ask. We look forward to your contributions.

    Support Small Business: Shop Kos Katalogue If you'd like to join the Motor City Kossacks, send me a Kosmail.

    by peregrine kate on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 07:10:43 PM PST

    •  I agree with the (0+ / 0-)

      idea that it's not our lack of effort that prevents us from being widely dispersed through the mainstream media. We're missing something though. I don't know what it is, but we're missing it. Maybe it is money, like others have said. However, if all it took was money to win everything, Republicans would rule over everything and they don't. That proves that it takes more. We just have to find the right formula and apply it successfully.

      Oh, trust me, I know I am not even close to being a world-class activist or in the same class as some of the people who report on this site. I have been reading the posts on this site for years now and I am impressed by the graphs and charts that attack Republican claims. What I see a lack of, though, and maybe I'm not looking hard enough or don't know where to look, is a passionate appeal to people's emotions. To have the facts and be right is great, but it won't win you any votes or any favors. That's why Fox News and Rush Limbaugh are so successful. None of them are right, but they succeed in pitting people against each other by using their emotions. Perhaps, we need to take that step.

      "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

      by Seanryan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 02:35:08 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

  •  Interesting diary (2+ / 0-)
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    and ideas.

    The main problem is that facts don't touch Limbaugh's fans. He - and Fox - speak to the part of the brain that deals with emotion rather than facts. Fox may sound like they're talking about something real, but the real message is to be angry and feel co-opted, and to blame the "other," be it by color, religion, or sexual orientation.

    The purpose of right-wing "news" is to keep people feeling threatened in some vague way, so that they can remain angry and therefore pliable.

    I wrote about this a while back here:

    http://voices.yahoo.com/...

    Being attentive to the needs of others might not be the point of life, but it is the work of life. It can be ... almost impossibly difficult. But it is not something we give. It is what we get in exchange for having to die. - Jonathan Safran Foer

    by ramara on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 07:16:43 PM PST

    •  Hmmm.... interesting (2+ / 0-)
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      points you bring up in that article. However, I took a different lesson away from that. I agree completely with you that Limbaugh's fans and Fox News deal with emotions rather than facts. Instead of dealing with the issues, they want people to be angry and feel that someone else is to blame. But, my question is....

      Why can't we do the same?

      I know it sounds terrible in theory, but hear me out. The expression "fight fire with fire" was made for a reason. Why can't we channel progressives anger and redirect it toward a worthy goal or where it belongs? We've seen how well it works with the Flush Rush Campaign. They didn't use facts to try and destroy his advertising base. They appealed to the emotional base of the advertisers to stop airing their ads during his show. It has been highly successful, too. Why can't we channel our anger toward Republicans and make them feel what Fox News members feel toward Democrats?

      How do we do this? Start by pointing out specific examples of injustice by Republicans and how this affects specific people. For example, Rep. Jack Kingston wants poor children to work for free school lunches. Immediately, blogs posted about how statistics show that this doesn't help and this would provide bias. They posted their outrage as well, but not one made it easy for a parent to put their children in their shoes. Ideas of how to do this would be to provide examples of poor children and explain their life, telling how their life is now and how this would make their life hurt even more. Use examples from Georgia, so this would attack his constituent base. Stir up anger at his callous disregard for the sanctity of children, so a representative dare not ever mention again that poor children should have to work for free lunch.

      This is how you seize the hearts and minds of the people. This is how Martin Luther King, Jr. did it. This is how Gandhi did it. This is how most successful protests did it. This is even how Billl DeBlasio helped explain to Wall Street types why the increase in minimum wage was necessary. He told them to remember their grandfathers and ask them if they could be successful in this day and age. A lot of them said they had never thought of it that way. That's how you win. Let's do that.

      "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

      by Seanryan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 02:49:57 AM PST

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      •  They're working right-brain emotions. (1+ / 0-)
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        Fear/paranoia, aesthetic discomfort, us-versus-them instincts.

        We're more left brain, into what's managerial, risk assessing, planning.

        They got addicted to lying. Nixon's "Southern strategy" was followed by Lee Atwater for Reagan and Bush41, then Karl Rove for Bush43.

        Politics by sociopath.

        Consider Phil Robertson, the DucKKK guy. He's not saying anything you won't find on Nixon's Oval Office audio tapes.

        Dick and Phil.......... same difference.

        There's no logic to it. None.

      •  The last time we did that (0+ / 0-)

        was the daisy commercial - and that's what started all this emphasis on negative ads.

        This is what the immigration movement has been doing, with stories vividly told; it hasn't changed the rhetoric of the right, or their perceptions, I'm afraid. They have to be able to empathize with the "other" and I don't think they can.

        I think a lot of it sits in the language we use - we let the Republicans co-opt the strongest words in distorted ways, and I think we must reclaim the language. Wendy Davis redefining pro-life is the perfect example, and we needed everyone to pick up and hammer the point home - but we only did that to each other.

        I wish you all the best. Let's find something that does work.

        Being attentive to the needs of others might not be the point of life, but it is the work of life. It can be ... almost impossibly difficult. But it is not something we give. It is what we get in exchange for having to die. - Jonathan Safran Foer

        by ramara on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 09:15:28 AM PST

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        •  Well, the problem (1+ / 0-)
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          with that, in regard to the immigration situation, is that very few of them have a Hispanic background in the Republican caucus. How can you expect Republicans to empathize when they don't even share the same skin color or history? The immigration stories, as moving as they are, are not going the right way. They are not relating to the right people. You want to change the conversation, relate them to Republicans. Compare these immigrants to the ones who came to Ellis Island. Get people out there to share the stories of their ancestors who came over on Ellis Island and suffered. On the same ad, put someone telling their current immigration story. That way, they can relate to the situation.

          I agree with you that language is a huge part of fighting the battle. Wendy Davis changing the definition of pro-life was an amazing example of how to create positive change by attacking them on their level.

          "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

          by Seanryan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 09:30:39 AM PST

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          •  Or to the Pilgrims (0+ / 0-)

            or to those who came over in 1620 to Virginia.

            I'm a NYC Jew, so I also thought of Ellis Island as where immigration took place. But in more recent years, since moving to AZ, I've met people who are DAR, who can trace their family histories to the early republic, or here to the early settlers (many of whom, in the southwest, are Mexican) and the wild west.

            There are many Americas.

            Being attentive to the needs of others might not be the point of life, but it is the work of life. It can be ... almost impossibly difficult. But it is not something we give. It is what we get in exchange for having to die. - Jonathan Safran Foer

            by ramara on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 12:38:14 PM PST

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  •  The clay in the feet went all the way up (2+ / 0-)
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    If you’re going to strike at the king,  you better kill him.

    With facts, and documents, and not all of the dirt is classified, it just needs to be marshalled.

    Someday, future historians will document fully all the evils visited upon this nation by Reagan. I got more than one bellyfull of him, I’ve been in California since 1960, and had to live through his governorship. We’ve worked beyond him now, Republicans are very nearly irrelevant in California today, but Reagan has a very well financed and active flacking organization working full time to burnish his image.

    They managed to get a statue of him erected in Statuary Hall in DC in 2009, evicting Thomas Starr King. That action can be revisited in 2019, and should be. This might provide an organizing point for a campaign to tell the ugly truth about him. Maybe by then people will begin to realize that government is not the problem, unless the Republicans are running it.

    They can have my "promote the general welfare" when they pry it from my cold dead hands.

    by greatferm on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 07:56:40 PM PST

    •  Why kill him? (0+ / 0-)

      There's an old saying. I believe it was Ralph Waldo Emerson who said,

      "The martyr cannot be dishonored. Every lash inflicted is a tongue of fame; every prison a more illustrious abode."
      They always say, never kill a man, for you'll make a martyr of him. Besides, at the rate we're going, the Tea Party will have done the job for me before I can even get the podcast going. Lol.

      Facts and documents are always great, but I think I'm going to follow Reagan's lead on this one. I'm going to use his showmanship. Reagan was always one to take one isolated incident and relate it to a whole class of people, such as the "welfare queen".  Why can't we do the same? We take his policies, isolate them, and tear them apart, one by one, by showing how it hurt the people. That's how you take down a king, by showing how he abused his subjects.

      "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

      by Seanryan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 02:58:05 AM PST

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      •  Reagan is their George Washington. (0+ / 0-)

        Father of the country.

        Go read the diary about Reagan in Lebanon to see how utterly fxcked that is. Washington was no Andrew Jackson.

        •  Oh, trust me (0+ / 0-)

          that will be the next diary. I will be doing a multi-piece expose on the sham of Reagan's politics, piece by piece, and more importantly, ideas on how to combat them. That is the one thing I find lacking on this great site. Everyone brings excellent commentary, but there is a lack of ideas, sometimes, on how to move the wheel forward, as I put it. Lol. They tend to get stuck criticizing, and not figuring out where to go from here.

          We don't need that. We tell our children to stop complaining and do something about it if they don't like how something is. We need to be able to do the same. That's our job as activists and progressives.

          "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

          by Seanryan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 08:50:40 AM PST

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  •  A tiny starting place: A language thing. (4+ / 0-)
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    Your question:

    How do we get people to start viewing the homeless as people and no longer as things?
    Stop calling them "the homeless" -- call them "homeless people."  

    Stop calling them "the poor" -- call them "poor people."

    -->>  Use the words "person" and "people" as often as possible.  <<--


    Here's this same thing in another area -- abortion rights.  I've never liked the long-accepted slogan we use for this:

    A woman's right to choose
    This is all vague and airy. I'd rather it be
    A person's right to medical privacy
    Using the word "person" instead of "woman" makes it more likely that non-woman persons would be able to relate it to themselves.  "Yeah!  Medical privacy, I demand that right for myself too!"  

    I'd like to see us work harder on embracing George Lakoff's ideas -- we need to get our language framed better.  The righties are several decades ahead of us at this sort of thing (see the aforementioned Ronald Reagan).

    George Lakoff: Progressives Need to Use Language That Reflects Moral Values

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    by Avast Ye Swobbie on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 09:52:05 PM PST

    •  Not just homeless people (2+ / 0-)
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      Homeless AMERICANS. Homeless VETERANS.Homeless MOTHERS AND CHILDREN.

      The more concrete you can make them, the more real they'll be to your audience.

      Some men aren't looking for anything logical, like money. They can't be bought, bullied, reasoned or negotiated with. Some men just want to watch the world burn.

      by Omir the Storyteller on Thu Dec 19, 2013 at 11:38:05 PM PST

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      •  Interesting point (1+ / 0-)
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        about this comment. I just recently saw an article by Andre Serrano, where he collected signs from homeless people in New York City, and turned them into an art collection to create a conversation about the homeless situation in New York. You can find a link to that here, Sign of the Times. This is exactly the kind of creative, outside-the-box thinking I mentioned in my diary to help put a face on homeless Americans throughout the country. Did it cost him a lot of money? No. Is it a powerful exhibit? I think so. It even made me think twice about homeless people and I've been there before myself.

        I stand corrected, again. Thank you for that. I actually wrote a post about this on Veterans Day, mentioning to not ignore homeless veterans because they're not just lazy people who can't work. Some of them sacrificed their mind to help protect this country. They've earned our help. We betrayed their trust.

        "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

        by Seanryan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 03:17:06 AM PST

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    •  I stand (0+ / 0-)

      corrected. I used the same language I accuse Rush Limbaugh and Fox news of using and didn't even realize it. I will begin using correct language for poor people from now on. Thank you for the advice. That's a good recommendation for abortion rights. I think I'm going to start using that! "It's not about abortion. It's about a person's right to medical privacy!"

      Oh, that would really be effective in using emotion to reach people. "Do you want the government to be able to step in and tell you what procedures you're allowed to have? What if they read your medical file and decided you couldn't have a cancer treatment because they were morally against it? A person's right to medical privacy is absolute!"

      George Lakoff is a certified genius when it comes to getting the language out there to reframe conversations and he's exactly right. Most progressives believe that as long as you have the facts on your side, that that makes you in the right and that should be it. No. Sadly, you have to be willing to engage the people and get their emotions involved on a visceral level. That's why the media is so effective. They show graphic scenes that elicit images of horror or anger and the people respond. We as progressives need to do the same. Great comment.

      "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

      by Seanryan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 03:09:13 AM PST

      [ Parent ]

    •  One of the first things (0+ / 0-)

      is to stop calling SSI and Medicare - ENTITLEMENTS - these are EARNED BENEFITS.  The real entitlements are the subsidies given to Oil Companies, Financial Institutions, Insurance Companies, Big Agriculture (Not small, family farmers) and Pharmaceutical.  

      We also must start re-framing the TAKERS/MAKERS comment from Rmoney.  The Real Takers are the above mentioned crowd from entitlements.  They take our tax dollars and give nothing in return.  The real MAKERS are the laborers that MAKE the products that make the CEO's rich.  Imagine no one to make the burgers at McDonald's or no one to put the merchandise on the shelves and wait on the customers.  That is a good place to start.

      Why do Republicans Hate Americans?

      by Caniac41 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 09:57:10 AM PST

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  •  What we have to do is stop subsiding insanity. We (1+ / 0-)
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    have to create strongholds of democratic government and principles and show how much better they are.  Hopefully Obamacare will be a first step in that direction, Medicare and Social security were steps in that direction.  Americans are considerable more gullible and prone to acting against their own best interests and many of our problems with guns and with social programs and responsibility have racism at their core(I am not going to allow "those" people to get my hard earned money).  

    •  Omg, I cannot stop laughing... (0+ / 0-)

      I agree with you that that would be a wonderful idea. However, can you imagine any Republican or Tea Partier looking at us and saying, "They are so much better than we are"? Lol.

      I agree with you that Obamacare is a step in the right direction. However, it doesn't go far enough. I say when people say it sucks, I agree. I say, let's replace it with a single payer system!!! They usually back off and run screaming from the room.

      Gun rights are a very tricky road to navigate, due to their being an Amendment associated with them. I love guns myself and would never give mine up. However, I surely see no problem with universal background checks and mental health checks for crazy people who want to own guns. It makes sense. However, things don't have to make sense to people. We have to stop thinking like rational people and start talking like we are the moral majority. Obama's gun control program failed after Newtown because, I believe, they stopped introducing segments on the personal cost to the people of Newtown and around the country. If we had focused our efforts on that, instead of trying to prove we were right, we could have stirred up the righteous indignation this country is famous for, and used it to change the law.

      "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

      by Seanryan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 03:32:44 AM PST

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      •  It is not we are so much better, it is our ideas (0+ / 0-)

        are provably better, SS and Medicare being the best examples as in the long run, universal healthcare.  Our economy is generally stronger under democratic governments, a strong minimum wage is good for everyone, clean air is good business and good for the country, investing in infrastructure is better for business than investing in the military.

         The problem we have is that we have elected people that have run away from what we should stand for, even many of the democrats.  Sound regulation is good for business, it creates a level playing field and let's people prove themselves through their ideas. Greed is not good, it is the refuse of the lazy.  Money should be made by creating something of value besides numbers on a spreadsheet or  in a database.  Money made that way should be heavily taxed and money from labor should be shielded more than it is today.

          As for guns, they are toxic to the fabric of our society.  Our absolute obsession with them reflects a culture of distrust and fear, there is no other explanation of their being more guns than people in this country.

        •  I agree (0+ / 0-)

          with most of these ideas. All of the things you are saying are things that people can clearly agree on. The problem is the framework that it is being presented in is one that is being spun wrong. Elizabeth Warren is one who shreds all spin on regulation and money, but she's only one person. She obviously can't do it all.

          Guns being toxic to the fabric of our society, you will have a hard one with that statement. I do agree with you that our obsession with them reflects a culture of distrust and fear. This explains Stand Your Ground laws and why people shoot through the door when people knock on their doors with car trouble. It creates fear. However, the expression "guns don't kill people, people with guns kill people" is still true today. People like to collect guns like people collect coins. My father used to collect guns just for that purpose. Of course, there are those who collect them for the purpose of a "revolution" or to protect themselves "from the hordes". However, a lot of gun owners are responsible people who support gun laws. The NRA is a strong lobbying group that has a bigger voice than those people, sadly. As always, those with bigger mouths and more irrational views get heard more than those with rational minds who like to get along.

          "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

          by Seanryan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 04:01:50 AM PST

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  •  how about NOT electing sell out DLC liar$? n/t (0+ / 0-)

    Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

    by seabos84 on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 05:40:37 AM PST

    •  Good one... (0+ / 0-)

      Then, why don't you run for office? Instead of people complaining about all the people who don't support their values, why don't we follow the example of the Tea Party and fund people who support our values? That way, we can have people in office who think the same way we do. I'm not trying to attack you, but I am pointing out the problem in just complaining that all politicians are liars. We, as a progressive community, need to seek out people who are dedicated progressives and convince them to run for office. That way, we can have our side of the story be told and let our voice be heard. If we do that, we might have a chance.

      Why don't we identify financial backers, like the billionaires who fought the Koch brothers in California, such as John Doerr, Julian Robertson, Nicolas Berggruen, Robert Fisher, and even Wendy Schmidt, the wife of Google's CEO, Eric Schmidt? These are the people who we need to solicit donations from to fund progressive causes. While we may not agree on everything, it is far better to elect progressives who support most of our viewpoints than Republicans who agree with none.

      "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

      by Seanryan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 09:12:46 AM PST

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    •  Great idea (0+ / 0-)

      So, Hillary is a non-starter for you in 2013?

      I didn't think so.

      Anyone who carps about DLC sellouts, conservadems, and wall street democrats, and then votes for Hillary, either in the primary or the GE, is a hypocrite, and deserves what they get.  That's my pre-emptive salvo for 2016.  

      •  hell will freeze over before I vote for a f'king (0+ / 0-)

        clinton again. NAFTA, Dlass -Steagal, Media Consolodation, Rahm --- fuck the clintons.

        just cuz they got their merit badges for: NOT a racist, NOT a bigot, NOT a 13th century drooler on family planning - yawn.

        rmm.  

        Yond Cassius has a lean and hungry look; He thinks too much: such men are dangerous

        by seabos84 on Sat Dec 21, 2013 at 02:06:11 AM PST

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  •  You missed a Poll item "There will be Blood" (0+ / 0-)

    because the only way this death grip on power and the economy the scum have can be broken, ultimately, is to crack some heads.

    Just as the Union people had to in the 20's and 30's to ultimately achieve a livable working life.

    Worldwide Republicanism must be destroyed, not just stopped but ended for all time, it is evil unleashed on society to harm for harm's sake.

    •  No, no, no.... (1+ / 0-)
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      there doesn't have to be blood to achieve significant amounts of change. That's what they want and what they expect. Change can be effected by a whole country by peaceful revolution, if necessary. I just wrote a diary on it here, The Icelandic Revolution (and what we can learn from it), that shows that we can change the situation peacefully. Granted, their situation was not successful because greed was too entrenched, but maybe we will have more success.

      When you unleash violence, you only grant them exactly what they've been expecting. Do you know how Catholic mothers kept their children in line for hundreds of years? Shame and guilt. The good ones did, anyway. Lol. We need to do the same thing. We point out specific examples of their corporate greed that puts specific people in harm's way and what effect it had on them. One of the most effective stories of the government shutdown was when the memorials were shutdown and all those World War II vets stormed the barricade and opened it up anyway. They put a face on the issue and when Republicans lambasted the park rangers for shutting the memorial down, they had to run out in a hurry because the crowd jeered them for not caring about their fellow man. That's what we need, not violence. Violence solves nothing that we could not do already with guilt and shame.

      I agree that Republicanism is a cancer that must be cut out of our society because it is based on the premise that the rich and businesses deserve more than the working man. That is the whole model behind their political party. But violence won't achieve the goal. While it may have helped the Unions in the 20's and 30's, it helped Reagan demonize the Unions in the 80's by providing isolated acts of violence and applying those to the unions as a whole.

      We can do better than that. We must be better than that.

      "The only thing required for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing." - Edmund Burke

      by Seanryan on Fri Dec 20, 2013 at 09:00:05 AM PST

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      •  I'm with you Sean, however in the real (0+ / 0-)

        world, with the people we are dealing with ... just as with Labor struggles ....

        the nice reasonable way will not achieve results.

        It pains me too, I'm just being a realist. We are up against the very same people and mentalities that required union activists to take up arms and literally fight for what we all enjoy now.

        The FACT is, the 5 day work week, 8 hour days, vacation and holiday time, etc, all ended up requiring violence ... because the people opposing our goals will require it ultimately. I'm not advocating, just observing history, human nature and making a prediction.

        The scumbags in the vested interests are that pig headed, only a baseball bat to the skull is going to get the gears working again. And that is sad.

  •  Reagan (0+ / 0-)

    Reagan was noticed by the "king makers" of CA when he was exceptionally cruel to Berkeley students.  Fat cats set up "Ron and Nancy" with property and a wealthy lifestyle.  In return Ron and Nancy were very grateful.  The GOP believe they support everyone in the US.  Most Americans are not cruel and will support a safety net.  We have a chance for change.  Thank you for what you plan to do.

  •  Go for it (0+ / 0-)

    But, preaching about it here won't accomplish anything.  This is an echo chamber as impenetrable as the Limbaugh audience.  This audience will already vote 99-1 against Chris Christie in 2016.  Good luck reaching out to the other 350 million Americans who make a difference.

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